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@waxmonkeys3841
@waxmonkeys3841 11 месяцев назад
HDD's have their purpose. Lot's of space for cheap, perfect for files you don't access all the time. Just a quick search shows 20TB HDD's in the range of $450(cad). 16TB Sata 3 SSD is around $3050(cad). I can literally have 7.5 times the storage at $2700(cad). OS and secondary drive both are good to be on SSD, for things you hardly ever access but don't want to get rid of, or huge movie/video collections HDD's are great.
@smilingpolitely12345
@smilingpolitely12345 11 месяцев назад
I have i5 2500 , 8 gb ddr3 1600mhz , GTX 760 3gb , and I use 240 gb ssd for win 10 , 480gb ssd for game World of Warships & 1tb hhd as storage and platfom for "older" games like Pilars of Ethernity , I am close to PC upgrate , and when I do that I get 2 , m.2 500gb system , 1tb for games but I will keep hhd , as hdd when fail dont erase evenything you have on hhd and I save loot of wows replays ! , that is why I will use hhd as long I want to .
@fafski1199
@fafski1199 11 месяцев назад
Yep, HDD's are still pretty much essential when it comes to bulk storage, unless you've got bottomless pockets and can afford to buy multiple SSD's for an array. Having a smaller one installed in your system (500GB-1TB), also comes in handy and can be a lifesaver when it comes to backing up your system and other essential files. However, they are pretty much dead when it comes to playing current titles. Older games (5+ years) and emulation are still OK though, if you can bare the long loading times.
@ShaighJosephson
@ShaighJosephson 11 месяцев назад
No... HDDs are too easily corrupted in comparison to SSDs... Doesn't make any sense to use them for anything anymore...
@mileswithau
@mileswithau 11 месяцев назад
@@ShaighJosephson Eh, no, not really. Hard disc drives are generally more reliable than SSDs, and their failure modes are less destructive (and easier to recover from).
@TheChronix112
@TheChronix112 11 месяцев назад
@@ShaighJosephson maybe if you get a bad drive but in my 20 + years of using HHDs i have had 2 fail. The failure rate is blown out of proportion. And for people that use massive amounts of storage they are the only sensible option. Try backing up 30 TB or more in SSD, and you are looking at thousands of $ . It will also take up way more space then 1 or 2 , 15 to 20 TB HHDs drives.
@andrewmaughan1205
@andrewmaughan1205 11 месяцев назад
HDD are still currently viable for long term storage for things that don't get used a lot & when used don't require faat read / write speeds. Such as saving important files as a backup location.
@Generationalwealth94
@Generationalwealth94 11 месяцев назад
Yeah but who the f*ck cares about that. Damn I hate HDD's so much. I remember every time I died on Witcher 3 on the Xbox One S it made me want to stop playing that game because it would take like 30 seconds for the game to reload. On my PC, 3 seconds and I'm up and running. Granted that may also be related to the Jaguar processor being very slow and the HDD on the Xbox One being a slow 5400rpm drive.
@andrewmaughan1205
@andrewmaughan1205 11 месяцев назад
@@Generationalwealth94 , you completely missed my point. I was referring to saving backup files on them that don't get used or modified much, such as images, documents and other important digital files in case something happens to the important files on your SSD that you use regularly.
@mserica6487
@mserica6487 11 месяцев назад
A single hdd alone is still not very good for backup since they're mechanical and prone to failure. You'd really want some type of raid system that will preserve data should a disk die.
@_At0mz
@_At0mz 11 месяцев назад
My rule of thumb is to keep 1 2TB HDD solely for backups, pictures, and portable media/app duplicates.
@Generationalwealth94
@Generationalwealth94 11 месяцев назад
@@andrewmaughan1205 Yes of course, but those are very niche uses lol. I don't think there are that many people who are going to use them for backups and such. For the average user HDD's are completely obsolete, and thank god for that.
@conorfogs
@conorfogs 11 месяцев назад
We've ascended past clickbait at this point, need a new name for titles like this
@Sup_D
@Sup_D 11 месяцев назад
True. The same "XXX APU's Will make GPU's Pointless" have been used a lot of times. Especially considering, the talk is about Mobile APU's, not Desktop APU's.
@Tikolico
@Tikolico 7 месяцев назад
I got a gaming rig with a 4070ti, but then i bought a tiny Ryzen 6800h mini pc for the bedroom, and i find myself using it for gaming more than my gaming rig, seems to do just fine for 1080p on medium to low settings on just about any game and if i want higher res and max settings i just stream my gaming rig to it, i like it because i can easily take it to my friends house and have little LAN parties without having to haul around a big old tower.
@ynyslochtyn
@ynyslochtyn 8 месяцев назад
HDDs not for demanding games but what you need for storing files therefore not dead.
@Skelethin
@Skelethin 11 месяцев назад
I really wish they split the 4k(and even 1440) textures into optimal downloads for games. The great majority of gamers play at 1080 anyway, and the 4k textures take up so much extra space that is just unnecessary for the average gamer. Making them into optimal download packs could easily cut the size of most new releases in half. If not more. And since upscaling is already super common as the way to increase frame rates, this would benefit everyone.
@TheXextreem
@TheXextreem 11 месяцев назад
lol played over 6 years with 4k resolution when do people go to 4k? I will never go back to 2k or let alone 1k lol.
@flanovskiydtauskiy5870
@flanovskiydtauskiy5870 11 месяцев назад
Considering how all the soys in the world were successfully psyoped into loving fake resolutions and fake framerates now, maybe we don't need 4k grade textures anymore. Maybe even the assets themselves could be faked and your GPU just generates something passable from a low filesize asset. In fact haven't they begun mass faking the asset work via AI, with games like Cities: Skylines 2? You can even fake skills like programming and technical artist work further than ever before now so maybe soon AAA gaming will be outsourcing less work for their high turnover business approach? Or maybe they'll outsource even more, helping uplift people from backgrounds of abject poverty. Machine Learning is really something.
@Skelethin
@Skelethin 11 месяцев назад
@@TheXextreem do you even really notice a real difference at 4k? Is there a measurable difference that you can tell apart, especially between 4k(2160p) and 1440p? The jump from 1080 to 1440 is the last one that can be readily apparent, 4k is beyond what the eye can notice. Especially close up on a monitor screen. The human eye is literally not capable of seeing that many pixels, even theoretically.
@johannesdatblue4164
@johannesdatblue4164 11 месяцев назад
Blizzard made a 20gig oütionl download for high/ultra stettings and 4k, so if you play medium 2k you aind need it and sve like 25% storage.
@mikehawk6918
@mikehawk6918 9 месяцев назад
@@flanovskiydtauskiy5870 Why even play games when you can have AI do it for you. Just sit there and stare at it as it does it's thing. Will also put streamers out of work.
@prabhakardhar1379
@prabhakardhar1379 11 месяцев назад
remember the launch price of 5600G and 5700G? they are greedy as hell, definitely they will charge for those 8000&9000 apus as much as you can get a good cpu+gpu combo for atleast 1-1.5 year
@BowserSmb-t2k
@BowserSmb-t2k 11 месяцев назад
Yep we have to buy everything used now for a good deal. Until people stop buying everything at inflated prices. Atleast buying used doesnt support these greedy companies.
@VinniSchoeters
@VinniSchoeters 11 месяцев назад
How is 200euro greedy? I pay for my ryzen 7 5700g? 8 cores 16 threats 1 year ago in december 2022
@ZadokSunz
@ZadokSunz 11 месяцев назад
bro.. the game coming out next year S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Heart of chernobyl will require 150gb SSD. its going to be a massive open world game
@FionatheFiend
@FionatheFiend 11 месяцев назад
The last time I had an HDD for my PC was when the WD Raptor 10k rpm first came out. I only had the first generation model then moved on to SSD SATA drives. Now I only use M.2 NVME drives in my PC and HDD drives only occupy my NAS server.
@Tugela60
@Tugela60 11 месяцев назад
By the time these come out there will be much faster graphics cards, so they won't replacing anything.
@shiro214okane
@shiro214okane 10 месяцев назад
i still have external HDD that has 57911 hours accoring to crystal disk info and its still running fine, just storing pictures, music and videos, firmwares of phones, and other devices and installers, portable or stand alone tools.
@isekaiguy69
@isekaiguy69 11 месяцев назад
ryzen 8000 & 9000 apus if they are real. this will mark a revolutionary move for APU's
@fermitupoupon1754
@fermitupoupon1754 11 месяцев назад
AMD made some very nice looking APUs in the past couple of years, but then refused to sell them to anyone except for a handful of big OEMs. Which never really sold the interesting APUs, just the basic ones.
@bintsukigaming8229
@bintsukigaming8229 11 месяцев назад
dont worry it wont change a thing. back when A series was released people predict APU is the future and GPU will become obsolete, that was a decade ago. not gonna happen for the next decade at least.
@siwexwot8994
@siwexwot8994 11 месяцев назад
The APU revolution was supposed to happen many years ago, but it didn't. They can't even beat the 7 year old GTX 1060, and their prices are insane. It's not gonna change anytime soon.
@siwexwot8994
@siwexwot8994 11 месяцев назад
Hah the 5000 APUs were supposed to be revolutionary but here we are. They didn't do a thing. Discrete GPUs will continue to roll over APUs in their traditional manner.
@autoglobus
@autoglobus 11 месяцев назад
The HDD topic is kinda of a moot point. No one with the rest of the hardware required to run Starfield, Alan Wake 2, Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty etc. would be running those games of a hard drive anyway. There's no way you spend that much on the GPU and CPU needed for those games just to cheap out and get HDD storage instead of SSD.
@Danquet
@Danquet 11 месяцев назад
I run 6 TB ssd for games and 4 TB HDD for movies, music and Photos. OS is on a 1 TB PCIe 4.0 M.2
@syncmonism
@syncmonism 10 месяцев назад
Hard drives aren't really cheaper anymore. They're actually more expensive, they're just often a lot cheaper per GB. You can get very good, very fast 2TB SSDs for around 100 dollars or a little more. You can get very decent and still very fast gen 3 ones for even less than that. SSDs are very affordable now, whereas prices for mechanical drives are sometimes only giving you double the terrabytes per dollar, despite being so much slower. Also, cheap mechanical hard drives are not likely to be nearly as reliable or durable as SSDs, so I would recommend avoiding the worst quality mechanical drives. If you want to store that much data, chances are you are going to appreciate a higher level of reliability, and performance, that comes with higher-end, higher quality drives, and be willing to pay more for it, especially because the actual price per terrabyte may be just as good, if not better than, a lot of the cheapest lower capacity mechanical drives.
@ZeginMakesMusic
@ZeginMakesMusic 9 месяцев назад
I always daydream about going back to the seventies and showing them(it, computer folks) this video on my phone.
@asmongoldsmouth9839
@asmongoldsmouth9839 11 месяцев назад
*WOW........ If the iGPU in the higher end 8000 series APUs is 40 CUs, then it should be as powerful as a 6700XT. That is pretty much a 3060 Ti. In an APU!!!! I long for this day. I don't think anyone should have to buy a video card unless they want extreme power, in this day and age.*
@siwexwot8994
@siwexwot8994 11 месяцев назад
So they're gonna make an insane performance jump from 1650 to 3060 ti? Yeah sure, I want to see it.
@seanrauls2575
@seanrauls2575 10 месяцев назад
I haven't used a HD in "gaming" setting in over 10 years. Not since 128gb ssd's hit about $100. That being said I do still use them for long term storage of pics drivers of all the pc's I build and videos. But that is only on "light" gaming machines. True gaming boxes have no place for a hard drive. Can't afford the sata cable cluttering things up. lol
@jamesyoung151
@jamesyoung151 11 месяцев назад
I have a 12 GB HDD to store video files. I also have a 3 TB I use to back up my data. Hard drives will always be in use. Maybe not for the OS, but definitely for longer term storage.
@V3ntilator
@V3ntilator 10 месяцев назад
All major PC Gaming handhelds is running on AMD APU's and runs newest PC games. Sure, not all heavy AAA games runs that great, but next gen hardware can within 2 years probably. Anyways. It's a bit weird that AMD uses "Kraken" description which is a Norwegian mythical creature.
@sworddice
@sworddice 11 месяцев назад
seeing ryzen 8000 and 9000 APUs made me wonder how PC handheld going to evolve in these few years. im expecting Z1 extreme gonna be replaced soon with something equivalent to desktop 5600x + gtx 1660 super? and then docking system with integrated active cooling snap fit using magnet for full desktop experience? then i can ditch all type of tablet/smartphone/laptop/pc because i have everything in my pocket!
@hristobotev9726
@hristobotev9726 10 месяцев назад
Ha ha. And u can play just old games. Even 4090 is useless in new games. U want to play games with apu which is 5-6 times slower. It will be possible at 720p low settings. I'm sure you will not like it
@sworddice
@sworddice 10 месяцев назад
@@hristobotev9726 sorry bud. not everyone into intentionally unoptimized current gen $80 AAA games 4k ultra. i swear in the name of new and old gods, tens of millions of human on this planet enjoying games which doesn't require arms and legs.
@fatih9016
@fatih9016 9 месяцев назад
although the bulk of my storage is SSD I still have a 1tb hard drive, I put older games along with some other stuff in there and the newer games go to the SSDs
@mrwang420
@mrwang420 9 месяцев назад
That Strix Halo gonna be nuts. Can't wait to get gtx 1650 performance 6 years after it came out. Lol
@IloveJellow
@IloveJellow 11 месяцев назад
thing about HDD is its able to store info for years without ever requiring to be powered on at any point its stored physically compared to data being stored electrically which is what a SSD does.. This means data on a SSD without power will hold its charge for about at most 3 months without a current charge which case you risk not just loosing some stored data but all of it if its not plugged into a power source through that whole time they do not tell you this because it wouldn't be a good slogan if they did. As long as it able to remain active within a 3 month period then you'll be fine after that point you will start to run into issues with it. Its still best to use both in conjunction and use a HDD for stuff you know you will need for a long compared to a game that may or may not be there in a year always use HDD for long storage of stuff that is important.
@EdToml
@EdToml 11 месяцев назад
One HDD, 2 nvme drives with Raid. HD is for backups.
@Adam-Mei
@Adam-Mei 11 месяцев назад
1-2TB and 1-512GB HDD and 2-2TB nvme drives in my rig.
@vkpkck
@vkpkck 9 месяцев назад
But heating is definitely an issue even if such a processor is launched
@lawrencetoh9510
@lawrencetoh9510 11 месяцев назад
even ryzen 10000 wont make gpu pointless , because at that time , gpu either going cheaper or more performance for entry level.
@einstien2409
@einstien2409 11 месяцев назад
The APUs will be priced exactly the same as it's Nvidia counterpart. Waste of money.
@BowserSmb-t2k
@BowserSmb-t2k 11 месяцев назад
I really doubt it. If my 3090 can dip to 25 fps while playing Cyberpunk with path tracing. This definitely cannot do better than a 3090. Atleast not for 10 more years.
@eonreeves4324
@eonreeves4324 10 месяцев назад
I haven't used an HDD in at least 5 years
@danield.7359
@danield.7359 11 месяцев назад
So Ryzen 9000, that's when I will upgrade from AM4.
@KT-xp1ze
@KT-xp1ze 10 месяцев назад
NOPE, Havent had a HDD since I built my last PC
@Kage0No0Tenshi
@Kage0No0Tenshi 11 месяцев назад
Macbook pro with M3-Max cost propeply 3000$ and run minecraft 1440p max graphics with ray tracing at 40fps and hit 90C temprature avg.
@cuongtang9539
@cuongtang9539 10 месяцев назад
sure! Ryzen have to be stable for once, even that is too dificult for them
@Chalisque
@Chalisque 11 месяцев назад
A major job of a spinning rust HDD is to store everything that doesn't need the performance of the SSD, to free up your SSDs for things that do. (I have two 2TB nvme's, and a 2TB SATA for things that don't need nvme, but can benefit from an SSD. Then two 8TB HDDs.)
@DardS8Br
@DardS8Br 11 месяцев назад
Why so much storage?
@y0h0p38
@y0h0p38 11 месяцев назад
​@@DardS8BrHe probably has a lot of stuff lmao. I have way too many random files backed up because who knows when I might need a badly translated PDF manual on how to operate some esoteric soviet vehicle or an extra dozen operating systems
@Lee.Emperor
@Lee.Emperor 11 месяцев назад
@@DardS8Brthat must be 4k bd porn lol
@derim006
@derim006 11 месяцев назад
@@DardS8Br probably lots of porn videos what else ??? ....
@johnpaulbacon8320
@johnpaulbacon8320 11 месяцев назад
The 8-TB SSD - Go Go Gadget storage :)
@nathanwhite704
@nathanwhite704 11 месяцев назад
Hdds for gaming PCs have been dead for years.
@WyattOShea
@WyattOShea 11 месяцев назад
Yes and no. Yes for gaming itself but for other stuff like media storage they're not obsolete at all for how little they cost in comparison to an ssd of the same size.
@Veganarchy-Zetetic
@Veganarchy-Zetetic 11 месяцев назад
I still use them for certain games and they run perfectly fine.
@Xmakes
@Xmakes 11 месяцев назад
I was really mad at my friend who bought a 4tb HDD instead of a good M.2 SSD. He doesn't even use the space
@ablet85
@ablet85 11 месяцев назад
@@WyattOSheano one’s taking away HDD for storage.
@WyattOShea
@WyattOShea 11 месяцев назад
The op said otherwise lol.@@ablet85
@thisguy3500
@thisguy3500 11 месяцев назад
These next line of APU's will be a godsend for entry level PC gamers. However if the 4090 is any indication of the failings of both ASIC and game publishing/developers, all the benefits of the new APU's will be lost on future titles, even with FSR3.
@3polygons
@3polygons 11 месяцев назад
But will be amazing office and freelancing machines... I mean, these will be compact yet quite powerful, extremely good for small builds, etc.
@alifelessrock48
@alifelessrock48 11 месяцев назад
non AAA games and other utility and low load productivity work will work fine, but its too bad how games are getting less optimized and more demanding over time
@VinniSchoeters
@VinniSchoeters 11 месяцев назад
@thisguy well i know your mom also see you as a disapointment in life😂
@DakotaJones-nn2oi
@DakotaJones-nn2oi 11 месяцев назад
The problem is developers, publishers. There isn't enough hardware on earth to play poorly-programmed games without a trace of optimization.
@thisguy3500
@thisguy3500 11 месяцев назад
@@VinniSchoeters>_< ok, bot
@thelaughingmanofficial
@thelaughingmanofficial 11 месяцев назад
A bit too early and too presumptuous to say that GPU's will be rendered pointless by APU's. I've heard that before.
@AntwonThompsonAirswag_46835
@AntwonThompsonAirswag_46835 11 месяцев назад
I love ryzen
@erictayet
@erictayet 11 месяцев назад
I only use HDD for archival purposes and for storing 4k source video. Even then, I use a dedicated 4GB Ramcache for the HDD and an SSD proxy for video editing. Other than that, I've been using SSD for more than 10 years starting with my Fujitsu Tablet PC.
@iLegionaire3755
@iLegionaire3755 11 месяцев назад
SSD's are legendary anyways, this is a step forward for the industry.
@Ronny999x
@Ronny999x 11 месяцев назад
Been hearing this since the first APU... Sorry but unless they make Giant APU's with HBM3E/GDDR7 memory its not happening.
@darkpain2452
@darkpain2452 11 месяцев назад
isn't that simple to create APU, but we are getting close to it M1 GPU has a performance equal to 1050 just more 5-gen at the max before low GPU disappear of the market maybe middle GPU too
@Ronny999x
@Ronny999x 11 месяцев назад
@@darkpain2452 They made the console APU's and the Subor Z+ APU. So they can do it again.
@freedomearthmoon1
@freedomearthmoon1 11 месяцев назад
APU's won't replace GPU's anytime soon if ever. Theres the heat problem, Powerful CPU and GPU's create a lot of heat, combining 2 very high powered units on one chip won't work., you cannot cool them. Upgrading a GPU or CPU is out the window, you must buy a chip and upgrade the entire chip, its nonsense to me. Modest, Powerful integrated graphics are one thing, professional graphics are another.
@puredigital101
@puredigital101 11 месяцев назад
I totally agree I use Iray for 3d character rendering and besides only working with NVIDIA it needs a good GPU to get things done fast so GPU's will never be pointless.
@catdaddyglenn9697
@catdaddyglenn9697 11 месяцев назад
The gaming rig that I built 5 years ago (and I'm still using BTW) I built with NVME SSDs and I use twin HD's for backup (mirrored). Over the years I have increased the size (and speed) of the NVMEs and I swapped out the 5GB HDs for 10GB each. Backup, backup, and backup again. I do an image backup (to NVME) once a month and once every quarter I save one of those images to HD.
@Zombie101
@Zombie101 11 месяцев назад
I back up nothing. Its all cloud based these days.
@zackk6415
@zackk6415 10 месяцев назад
$$$@@Zombie101
@ScoopDogg
@ScoopDogg 8 месяцев назад
@@Zombie101 SMH
@Zombie101
@Zombie101 8 месяцев назад
@@ScoopDogg nah I'm just not poor
@kahvituttaa545
@kahvituttaa545 11 месяцев назад
Apu will make gpu pointles? How? Im not following this chanel for clickbaits
@andersonfigueroa2694
@andersonfigueroa2694 11 месяцев назад
me here still playing with my hard disk :,v
@darthpaulx
@darthpaulx 11 месяцев назад
I don't believe we'll get 40cu APU's. What are we at now, 12 - 16cu? Last time it was 8- 12. I think we'll get 16- 24 cu's in the next APU, and it's a maybe. Otherwise entry gpu's like the 7600 and 4060 are not needed anymore. But we'll see what the future will bring us.
@hristobotev9726
@hristobotev9726 10 месяцев назад
On new games 7600/4060 manage just 1-2fps at 4k. Completely useless.
@bricefleckenstein9666
@bricefleckenstein9666 11 месяцев назад
Clickbait title. There will NEVER be an APU that can match the performance of a dedicated high-end GPU, while APUs have already made the "bottom end" of the GPU market have to shift a lot higher. Entry-mid level gamers on APUs is also not new - if you don't mind turning the settings WAY DOWN to play the game at all, or it's not graphics-intensive (Minecraft for example, that can run on PHONES despite being used in the example at 0:42) like most turn-based games.
@johndoh5182
@johndoh5182 11 месяцев назад
HUH? You're talking like AMD JUST got into the world of AI. They've been developing AI hardware for a few years now regardless on when products first came to market. It's not like they woke up this year and saw Nvidia making a killing in AI server technology and decided they needed to get into that market. On the other hand Nvidia has it ALL OVER any other hardware company because they have been in software development for many years now and THAT is where Nvidia beats the crap out of other companies, which is COMPLETE solutions to problems that companies have.
@BuuGz86
@BuuGz86 9 месяцев назад
HDD's will be there for a long time, ill always use them. of course not as the primary drive where the OS and the games are stored. and 2T SSD's/ NVME's are rather cheep to be honest. and no one needs 100 installed games. and lets be real only a handful of games demand big drives.. and as the time goes even bigger and cheaper SSD's will be available. just 3-4 years ago getting even a simple SSD with 500GB would put you back 150$.. now with the same amount of cash you get a 2T NVME that not only offers more space but is 3-4 times faster..
@daven6634
@daven6634 11 месяцев назад
I hate to say, but I used to run a 1tb 5400rpm 2.5" hard drive as my main drive. Only like a year ago I switched to a 1tb M.2 NVMe PCIe 4.0 and its amazing. Still rocking a 2tb HDD for large storage.
@johndoh5182
@johndoh5182 11 месяцев назад
Who is still using an HDD for gaming? Dude with Steam you can move games around to different disks. It's a wonderful thing. That means people with large libraries of games can still use an HDD for storage but play games from SSD. Welcome to the 2020s.
@kurok1tenshi
@kurok1tenshi 11 месяцев назад
lol everytime an APU comes out the hyping mob always try to say the same but it will never replace a CPU+GPU combo unless it´s something for retro gaming or super budget dirt cheap pc that you need or can affort to buy and play.
@jasonwaterfalls6145
@jasonwaterfalls6145 11 месяцев назад
Yup. It will never replace discrete gaming GPUs in general. It is technically possible, but the result will be something that is either too large and/or too expensive to be viable for mainstream consumers. What they need to say is that APUs will kill the low-end GPU segment, which is certainly possible now that nVidia has made the 3050 require external power, and AMD has APUs that can beat the RX 6400 and GTX 1650 in performance. All they need to do is make those widely available at reasonable prices.
@ElectricityTaster
@ElectricityTaster 9 месяцев назад
A simple fix for the SSD requirement is to buy 3 HDDs and run them in raid 0. What worries me with games getting so large is that it increases the amount of traffic Steam needs to handle, as not only are games bigger but people are uninstalling and re-installing much more frequently. If this keeps going, Steam is going to have to increase their cut, raising the price of games. If that becomes way too expensive, they could offer a subscription service for unlimited re-installs or a free P2P-based system.
@UrielVentris1984
@UrielVentris1984 9 месяцев назад
thats what ram cache is for, you just need at least 32 gigs of ram or 40, and primocache or a mod to do it for you i do this for all ssd required games. works great. i also have raid 0 boxes, good for transfers.
@BeachPleaseMoments
@BeachPleaseMoments 10 месяцев назад
im only the one thinking that amd will in one day be at the same point with cpu's like intel ? like in smt 10 year from now we will see a i9 24900k and a amd 9 24700X3D?
@Birdman._.
@Birdman._. 11 месяцев назад
Bro is doing this type of title for an eternity now
@Cryptic_Chai
@Cryptic_Chai 11 месяцев назад
AMD leveraging its time tested expertise in CPU as well as GPU segment to unite it.
@brandonleemoss
@brandonleemoss 8 месяцев назад
That's why Nvidia is going to come like a wrecking ball with their CPUs😂 But I guess by the end of the day it's the people that's going to win 🎉
@Drolkrad1725
@Drolkrad1725 10 месяцев назад
I didn't understand that roadmap, was it saying more AM4 processors in 2024?
@SHORTY-NI
@SHORTY-NI 9 месяцев назад
mans sad that hard drives are not useable anymore... must have been crying his eyes out when the big box tvs went away edit: great video though
@duladrop4252
@duladrop4252 11 месяцев назад
I was hoping that this would happen at least we will have so much room in our Case. We may need like a monstrous heatsink but still it's laying flat on the motherboard, rather that seated vertically and occupy a lot of space inside the case. With the introduction of AMD X3D technology APU will be even more appealing.
@fturla___156
@fturla___156 10 месяцев назад
Previous benchmark testing for games for the Apple M2 chip had performance levels between the GTX 1050 and the GTX 1050ti at best. This means that an M3 CPU/GPU hybrid chip with a 10% performance gain over the previous generation is not going to outperform the GTX 1050ti nor the GTX 1650. I expect that at the rate of progress Apple is developing the GPU designs, AMD's APU line up will eventually surpass the performance of an Apple M2 chip within 5 years and probably surpass the M3 chip as well. It would not surprise me if AMD's APU lineup beats Apple's best CPU/GPU options within 5 years.
@michaelandrews4783
@michaelandrews4783 10 месяцев назад
M1 and M2 are like most apple products massively overated unupgradable crap usually with a scummy amount of storage making whatever specs it has pretty useless. 256 gb storage is a joke
@fturla___156
@fturla___156 10 месяцев назад
@@michaelandrews4783 Everything you said was true, especially the unupgradable part.
@chriscardwell3495
@chriscardwell3495 9 месяцев назад
DAS connected via 10 Gbe I guess would be adequate for Gaming
@seanC3i
@seanC3i 11 месяцев назад
I still use my hard drive regularly, to keep video files and backups. But in terms of a boot drive or location for commonly used programs, I haven't use a hard drive for that in at least a decade.
@kindnuguz
@kindnuguz 10 месяцев назад
To be honest, it's a long times coming. I'm an avid PC enthusiast and have been for decades but around 2010ish I was asking myself "why can't all these components be all-in-one" Seeing as the BIG DOG GPU's are basically a computer now I see why it's taking so long to transition. 3dfx oops I mean nVidia had to milk the dGPU market as long as they could which requires a big ass PC to power them. I personally can't wait for the day my PC is a mini PC attached to the back of the monitor and can run all my games at the monitor refresh rate etc.. Honestly if I could get a mini PC that performed around the 12900k and 3080Ti - 4080 and PCIe 4.0 nvme SSD range I would be sold
@AwesomeBlackDude
@AwesomeBlackDude 10 месяцев назад
Somebody need to intro the briefcase laptop, when you need a powerful mobile workstation and F' that BS so-called thin design crap. 😅
@psiklops71
@psiklops71 11 месяцев назад
i have Allen Wake 2 Starfeild and Cyberpunk all on a hdd No Stuttering
@edb3877
@edb3877 11 месяцев назад
Yes, still running HDDs in my PCs because they do more than games and need the storage for video, pictures, and other items requiring large storage more than they do speed. A fairly good combo for me is a 2TB SSD + a 5-6TB HDD. Others likely will have different needs and will need whatever storage type is appropriate for their speed and capacity needs.
@ThePlantedTankTV
@ThePlantedTankTV 11 месяцев назад
I also still have a hard drive in my gaming pc. I use it mostly for photo and video storage but it's great for older games too!
@DDD-xx4mg
@DDD-xx4mg 10 месяцев назад
I just use 3 Samsung m.2 drives to get me to 6TB
@edb3877
@edb3877 10 месяцев назад
@@DDD-xx4mg Sounds good for those who have 3 M.2 slots in their PCs. I have 2 PCs, 1 with only 1 M.2 slot and one with 2 M.2 slots.
@edb3877
@edb3877 10 месяцев назад
@@ThePlantedTankTV Agreed. I timed it when loading Quake 2 levels from an M.2 NVME gen 3 drive and from my 1-TB WD black HD. There was all of a 1-second difference in load times. I do like the large capacity of a good HDD for songs, videos, archival purposes, etc. The fact that they are so cheap is also nice. I keep a couple around with bare-bonds Windows installed on them in case my boot NVME chokes on me. Other drives in the system still can be accessed, as well as backups, which sometimes comes in handy.
@AbuGuroza
@AbuGuroza 10 месяцев назад
the problem with SSD is, i have kingston A400 128GB from 2018 but it down to 35% just in 2022, currently having samsung evo nvme as replacement. let see how long it will last while my wd blue from 2015 feb still at its peak and also i kinda disappointed with modern games, just starfield as example not mention it below expectation as i was thought it will be having landing like starcitizen or at least NMS, but instead it was full of cutscene
@TotoLakay
@TotoLakay 10 месяцев назад
I don't buy games that requires hardware I do not have. these games are going to remain unplayed until gamers can afford SSD's or die out cause everyone moved to mobile.
@AwesomeBlackDude
@AwesomeBlackDude 10 месяцев назад
Plenty much I don't think the industry is aware by their high ridiculous prices which is forcing people to go to mobile devices. 😅
@doodskie999
@doodskie999 11 месяцев назад
I have two 4tb HDD's on my $3000 gaming/editing rig. Unless SSD's come close to the price of HDD, I really dont care changing my bulk storage
@Careditinghub
@Careditinghub 11 месяцев назад
You could get a 1tb or 2tb ssd to store your games. and leave the hdds for everything else
@doodskie999
@doodskie999 11 месяцев назад
@@Careditinghub I already have the 1tb ssd for my OS and applications. I cant fit games anymore on the main SSD and I don't plan buying another SSD as long as my HDD or SSD is working fine
@Careditinghub
@Careditinghub 11 месяцев назад
@@doodskie999 Oh ok. cool
@mitcoes
@mitcoes 11 месяцев назад
Someone should make a hybrid 8 Tb HDD, with 1 Tb SDD CACHE, or just a "copy to run" method, for gaming. With that device, you would be able to store up to 8 Tb of games, that are 50 to 100 actual games, at 60 USD, 3k to 6k software cost, and the device with actual prices 8Tb HDD + 1Tb SDD would cost 300 USD, plus the "copy to run" software or CACHE hardware.
@patrickm.4469
@patrickm.4469 10 месяцев назад
These existed for a little while, like 8-10 years ago. Didn't really take off as SSDs got more affordable
@MiauFrito
@MiauFrito 9 месяцев назад
There is a way to do this with any pair of hdd and ssd (ten years ago the famous option was rapid storage technology
@esutoks
@esutoks 9 месяцев назад
Check out Primocache.
@Kirisutekarl
@Kirisutekarl 11 месяцев назад
Are we getting to a point where we have to have hot swappable ssds? Like ps2 memory cards? Lol.
@Xmakes
@Xmakes 11 месяцев назад
Did you know that sata SSD are hot swappable.
@albion_i
@albion_i 11 месяцев назад
@@Xmakes in theory yes but a lot of devices have Only one slot or don't support the in operating system and it's generally just gone out of fashion. At least the old PS4 has it
@dudarsky
@dudarsky 11 месяцев назад
The title is a total clickbait.
@ninjoun
@ninjoun 11 месяцев назад
Since I have 32 GB of RAM and most games tend to use sub 16 I would very much appreciate if they could make some RAM caching system. Free RAM is about 10% of total game size. I do have about 2TB of SSD storage but I would still like to use my free 8TB of harddrive space for games with large filesizes.
@TehFreek
@TehFreek 11 месяцев назад
Operating systems already use RAM as cache, but it's up to the software to attempt to load the data from the drive before it's actually needed.
@dontsupportrats4089
@dontsupportrats4089 11 месяцев назад
APU's will never replace GPU's for gaming. Games grow as technology grows, sometimes faster. 40 CU's sounds good.. but look how 7000 series performs in new games. It's all hype.
@Vaskomyr
@Vaskomyr 11 месяцев назад
Not to mention the heat/cooling and power consumption needs.
@kadddddshad1424
@kadddddshad1424 9 месяцев назад
Hard drives arent dead. Just buy hybrid drives. Which are SSHDs. They are a spinning disk with DRAM included. You'll be shocked at how fast they actually are.
@portman8909
@portman8909 9 месяцев назад
They're slow. My NVMe read write 6.6 and 5.0 GBps respectively
@kadddddshad1424
@kadddddshad1424 9 месяцев назад
@@portman8909 congrats
@DaGreenDestroyer
@DaGreenDestroyer 11 месяцев назад
the ryzen 7840u and hs have amazing integrated gpu's that reach even sometimes over a gtx 1650, i cant wait for the 8000 series apus
@ThePlantedTankTV
@ThePlantedTankTV 11 месяцев назад
If their APUs are as good as they say they'll be I'll be building a new budget pc. Lol
@aliensounddigital8729
@aliensounddigital8729 11 месяцев назад
Highly doubt this and the title is clickbait at best.
@orleansjunky4074
@orleansjunky4074 11 месяцев назад
I call bullsht
@ScoopDogg
@ScoopDogg 8 месяцев назад
they basically made people think a car with 16 previous owners is better than a car that had 1 owner and 60mph is better than 120mph capable engine so better cos you wont have high insurance, so a lada is now worth more than a ferrari. wonder why us high end tier gamers are moving to linux if we wanted a downgrade we would have stayed on console, now they making the pc a console with snake oil AND PEOPLE BOUGHT INTO THIS. 720p upscaled e-core ai killed gaming all because of climate energy demands, win 11 and forced socket change its cloud lower upscaled latency supersample why did i bother with a 4k UHD 240hz capable monitor to UPSCALE A Z70 80TI GAMING BOARD TO GO DOWNGRADE AND HAVE TO REPLACE EVERYPART TO PLAAY LOW SPEC LOW QUALITY GAMES . nah
@meistarkus
@meistarkus 11 месяцев назад
AMD dropping out of the GPU race would be horrible for us gamers. Not only because i recently swapped from a 3090 to 7900XTX (which i absolutely adore), but also because it would give Nvidia even more leverage further raise praises into oblivion...
@humansvd3269
@humansvd3269 11 месяцев назад
They aren't, AMD will focus on making mid-range GPUs.
@E2_Hawkeye
@E2_Hawkeye 11 месяцев назад
Do I have a physical spinning disk in my 2015 revision of my gaming machine build? No.... not at all. I just use the Gen3 NVME or the SATA SSD, I'm not a caveman. Spinning disks go into a server room of sorts. More like a network closet because it's literally a closet I put network gear in. Yeah so let's just go with network closet is where the spinner should go in my house. NAS or loss... I just made that up, can you tell?
@ApexFunplayer
@ApexFunplayer 11 месяцев назад
Random youtuber; GPUS ARE DEAD Nvidia; *-laughs in parallel access concurrent 16,384 cores with high end AI bolstering strong enough to piss of the entire European union's anti-trust system-*
@auritro3903
@auritro3903 4 месяца назад
"Ryzen 8000 & 9000 APUs Will Make GPUs POINTLESS!" Yeah, Ryzen 8000 has released, and I'm yet to see anyone actually buying them without a GPU 😐
@geort45
@geort45 11 месяцев назад
The king of exaggerated claims
@Drunken_Hamster
@Drunken_Hamster 8 месяцев назад
Nah, I only have an SSD in the rig. External HDD for movies and whatnot, though. Kinda sad how games have taken up so much space, now. I feel like we need to hardcap the limit somewhere down the line, but that's probably not a long-term functional solution. PC's will continue to evolve, and just as how 4gb ram and 2gb Vram has now become equivalent to 16gb ram and 8gb vram, storage space and speed requirements will also continue to go up. Hopefully not indefinitely, but you know what they say about hoping and crapping. Anyway, about APUs in general, what I really want to see is role division when you pair them with dedicated GPUs. IE I'd like to run the mesh and physics data on the GPU part of the APU while the actual graphics generation is done completely on the dedicated GPU. Don't know if they do this already, or how well they do it if they do, but I'd lowkey like this aspect to be optimized. Synergy tends to lead to exponential effects, so the real question should be "why NOT do this?" Kinda like how I'd also like APUs to be made on Threadripper sized sockets, that way you can take both concepts (APUs in general, and APU+GPU synergy) even further. Just imagine a Threadripper APU that was like a 4070 equivalent, then you paired that with a 7950XT or whatever with 24gb+ of Vram, and 64gb or 128gb of system ram, but the synergy was better than SLI, Crossfire, or even dual GPU graphics cards ever were. Perhaps better yet, what if motherboards had two processor slots again and GPU manus just sold us the chips to go into the sockets, and each board had separate RAM and VRAM DIMM slots. It'd be a lot easier to do custom cooling on a setup like that, especially liquid cooling.
@EddieArafa
@EddieArafa 11 месяцев назад
HDD are still amazing and viable till this day for mass storage, and I dont think it will become less viable for this future either! You can get a 20 TB HDD for around 500 USD where I live, you can download all your gaming library in it, and get a 1 or 2 tb SSD to install the games you want to play in it, after you are done, you can just uninstall it and install other games from your HDD, I know its a hassle, but its way cheaper then getting a high capacity SSD for a huge amount of money, money you could spend somewhere else like getting a better GPU or CPU or even a monitor! So IMO I don't think games requiring an SSD is a problem!
@hi_its_jerry
@hi_its_jerry 11 месяцев назад
clever! i need to try this
@JokaGaming2K10
@JokaGaming2K10 11 месяцев назад
Well, Seagate, Wenstern Digital and Toshiba shoud stop making low-emd hdd (For me low-end is 500Gb to 4TB) and bring more attention to SSDs, a 500Gb brand new HDD is expensive than a SSD with the same capacity, this applys to 1TB and maybe 2TB, the NVMe 3.0 SSD is 25X faster than a HDD or 5X faster than a S-ATA SSD, HDD are death for gamers, they are usefull for storing videos, long-term data and using them as a NAS, SSDs are really cheap, i find a 4TB S-ATA SSD on Newegg by SiliconPower for only 150$, it's twice as expensive but more durability (worse for long term storage without powering the ssd on) and better price-to-performance ratio
@vincentvoillot6365
@vincentvoillot6365 10 месяцев назад
It is doubtful to see CPU with iGPU replacing dedicated GPU for gamer and specially fo IA. Doesn't matter how many compute cores you put in if you can't feed them, you are limited by the bandwidth. The M3 is good but not "4090" good in every metrics. Consumer CPUs are rarely more than dual channels (128 bits) with DDR5 where even the punnie RTX 3050 have GDDR6 with same bus width (and without CPU data traffic). Worse the use of GDDR cut down CPU performances. Sure, some high-end product solder the ship on a board with a 256 Bits bus or in expensive servers. Yes cache help, but it is not magic and not that useful when you stream gigabytes of data through your compute units (like during inference with a transformer). And there is the hardware-software side : * using shaders units for everything under the sun (ray-tracing, denoising, spatial and temporal scaling) will not cut it for the next gen. * ROCm is not in the same league than CUDA. * Nvidia launched DLSS, Super Video resolution, hardware ray tracing and path tracing for their consumers and their last Arm CPUs and servers are on the cutting edge with a solid framework for games developments and IA. This will not be enough.
@FunBunChuck
@FunBunChuck 9 месяцев назад
AMD APU's need integrated graphics with at least 4,096 Unified Shaders, 256 Texture Mapping Units, 128 ROP's and 64 Ray Tracing Cores and configured to run at 2.2Ghz or higher. Otherwise integrated graphics are pointless.
@vensroofcat6415
@vensroofcat6415 11 месяцев назад
Dead Law guy working for his paycheck hard. Publicity distraction "leak" number 1001. Meanwhile Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite Adreno GPU questions status quo in the chip industry. And Nvidia is expected to follow. Anyway, every pixel requires calculations, every calculation requires energy. On every chip from every company. Can we not suggest free miracles?
@hitbm4755
@hitbm4755 11 месяцев назад
Omitting HDDs is not a feasible thing to do, because many people have invested in 1-10 TeraBytes of Hard Disc storage which wasn't a cheap investment. I get that game developers are optimizing for current Gen consoles (with SSDs), but why then buy 32-64GB of RAM when Starfield is hard-coded to use ~13GB of RAM irregardless of available RAM.
@zolarius4956
@zolarius4956 10 месяцев назад
4TB NvME, 2TB 2.5 SSD, 500Gb 2.5 ssd (OS), 48TB 7200 HDD in Raid. I run everything in RAID for faster access. I played Starfield across the 4 HDDs in RAID and didnt notice any issues
@tellyourmomisaidhi5804
@tellyourmomisaidhi5804 11 месяцев назад
I'm glad games are moving the bar to favor the higher end graphics cards. I see people complaining that they can't play game x because they are using a 5 plus year old gpu. I have high end parts. AMD 7950X RTX 4090 and 64gigs of 6000 DDR5. I hate seeing games that are optimized for 1080p. The world has moved on from 1080p. You want to game? Invest in new equipment. ARK Ascended is a great example of this. I hope more games do this as well. Star Trek Online would be amazing using a Unreal Engine 5.2!
@amitchkrabarty05
@amitchkrabarty05 9 месяцев назад
I am running my ryzen 5 3500u laptop on HDD, it's terribly painful.........recent games such as pubg refuses to load, gta 5 literally takes 10 minutes to load.............but, when I tried to run pubg on USB Flash Drive, it was exponentially faster than HDD.......HDD's don't make any sense in gaming.....or any kind of multitasking
@selohcin
@selohcin 11 месяцев назад
Gamer Meld is smoking crack if he thinks that the upcoming Strix Halo APU will "obliterate the low-end GPU market". Did he forget that those 40 CUs will be attached to a 16-core CPU?? That thing is going to cost at least $800!! It's not going to affect the low-end GPU market AT ALL.
@AndrewPerryJr
@AndrewPerryJr 10 месяцев назад
Years ago when I built a "gaming pc", I chose a Ryzen APU and was expecting to buy a discrete GPU later on. I never did buy that GPU because the APU was good enough (I don't stream or anything like that, I just play). Even on my M2 Mac mini, the graphics are decent. As for hard drives, I only used external HDDs as backup media (Windows Backup or Apple Time Machine).
@Mar-a-Lago_Ketchup_Cleanup
@Mar-a-Lago_Ketchup_Cleanup 9 месяцев назад
Graphic intensive software needs to do millions of matrix multiplications per second to create and move around those virtual worlds. That is why we have graphics cards. That said business and programming PC's do not need this capibility,. AMD CPUs with integrated graphics are a great choice for this later market. Will they replace high end graphics cards though? Not likely. We still need HDDs for backup storage although likely they will be M.2 SDRAM connected through the latest USB ports.
@GENERALCHAOS13
@GENERALCHAOS13 9 месяцев назад
Apple M3 Arm should be tad bit faster than the Rockchip and Qualcomm well the not Power Friendly Ampere 192 core arm CPU would Shred the Apple M3 series they have to make a Dedicated ARM CineBench for ARM CPU like they do with X86 line can't have 2 in one cuz ARM and X86 are different animal
@mikeb3172
@mikeb3172 11 месяцев назад
4K textures are responsible for 100GB+ games... each PBR texture is more than 100MB total. Why is engineering going into "max out the SSD" instead of sub-texture resolution. Half-life (made in 1997) used one low resolution texture for far away, and overlayed a tiled detail texture for close up detail. Where is the engineering for furthering that... why "max res, max power"?
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