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RZ MASKS: Only Mask You Need? 

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@HFRajuncajun
@HFRajuncajun 5 лет назад
Love the RZ mask. Only thing I don't like is they ride high on the bridge of my nose and push my safety glasses up. Thanks for the little tutorial on swapping the filters. I haven't had to swap mine yet.
@katrinabell7684
@katrinabell7684 5 лет назад
Great video.. nice to have you back from your holiday!😎
@David-xu3yk
@David-xu3yk 5 лет назад
That mask looks a lot easier than mine, would be great to use when I'm filming instead of struggling with all the clips and straps.
@my520graj
@my520graj 5 лет назад
Congratulations! 40k!!!
@danieldavis519
@danieldavis519 5 лет назад
Nice video mate👍🏻 Really enjoy watching everything about your jobs and seeing how you do what you do
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
Thank you
@David-xu3yk
@David-xu3yk 5 лет назад
Love the Q&A at the end!
@elvilla1123
@elvilla1123 4 года назад
I have one n it does the job great love it specially because I work around lots of dust n polen
@santanat.7206
@santanat.7206 4 года назад
I need one of these, now more than ever!
@DaveEdmondson
@DaveEdmondson 5 лет назад
looks like a nice piece of kit!! Thumbnail kinda reminds me of some Mortal Kombat.
@thewoodworksnz9841
@thewoodworksnz9841 5 лет назад
Love my RZ mask, definitely worth what I paid for it.
@davykins
@davykins 5 лет назад
Good to see ya back man , hope you enjoyed the break :)
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
Thanks man, it was good
@bert962
@bert962 5 лет назад
i just used mine for the first time today and its the nuts! thought id give it a go after seeing you guys use it in a previous episode. Keep up the great content and hello from a fellow chippy in Luton, England !!!
@ScottMcD91
@ScottMcD91 5 лет назад
Where did you order it from mate, been looking. Also in uk (Scotland)
@darrenroche9225
@darrenroche9225 5 лет назад
Lived in Luton for years ,a great town ,had a great time there ,
@bert962
@bert962 5 лет назад
@@ScottMcD91 easy pal i just got it from Amazon £ 30 with a few spare filters and that therea quite a few different supplier s on there maye
@ScottMcD91
@ScottMcD91 5 лет назад
@bert. Thanks mate I found it. See how it goes 👍
@irogueassassin_8669
@irogueassassin_8669 5 лет назад
I have a question about removing things such as asbestos and when planing timber windows with red led
@ladsonrenovations1490
@ladsonrenovations1490 4 года назад
Just ordered the RZ mask thanks.
@tk_shaun1463
@tk_shaun1463 5 лет назад
Nice video man keep up the great video
@piee683
@piee683 4 года назад
I finally got 2 of these purchased online after checking every day for the last 6 weeks
@MegaSureshock
@MegaSureshock 5 лет назад
Feedback i get on the dewalt is it just doesn't have the same punch as the paslode into harder timbers. Oh and it's heavier lol
@Randalll18
@Randalll18 5 лет назад
The man/myth and legend has returned! Mr. S.B.C Himself. Those are some crispy masks you have got there, might be really tempting to acquire one for me. I would like to give you my own nonprofessional/non-user opinion about the nailguns: DeWalt, pure for the fact it looks slick ;) Glad you are back, waiting anxiously for another Chef Paerau 5 star meal. Cheers from Holland
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
Haha cheers man!
@TechieTard
@TechieTard 5 лет назад
Here in the U.S. the hikoki/Hitachi is now the Metabo! That framing nailer is an effin monster!
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
I'm a fan myself
@jlexperience
@jlexperience 5 лет назад
I tried those masks but the velcro strap slides down the back of my neck and it fall down.. very frustrating, I want to love these, but dont work so well for me unfortunately.. back to the elastic disposables for me unfortunately.
@sylviabrown9186
@sylviabrown9186 5 лет назад
Welcome back son 🤗
@fotopdo
@fotopdo 5 лет назад
I have an RZ that I don't use because I find it very uncomfortable. A lot of people love them, but for me it's very painful. With the single low strap, it pulls back and down putting pressure on the bridge of my nose. The filtration is done by the paper insert, not the mesh, so I thought my paper masks were doing the same job of protection. It turn out that I am using N95 masks and that RZ inserts are N99. I also noticed that RZ now has a model 2.5 with an upper strap ... so maybe I'll have to try that. I did a bit more looking, and there are several brands of paper masks rated N99 with exhale valves, and N95 with valves and charcoal .... they are typically low$20's for 20 to 30 masks, RZ is $10 for 3. I'll keep looking for a N99, valve-charcoal combo.
@ambroulard
@ambroulard 4 года назад
I’ll get one if they’re available,, I’ve been ripping some unknown variety hardwood that’s wonderful to work with but produces an extremely fine dust and my sinus’s are not dealing well with it....
@GerhardChristmann
@GerhardChristmann 5 лет назад
Hi Scott, you are right, this mask ist fabulos. Far away in Germany I use this also Have fun Gerhard (Woodturner)
@GerhardChristmann
@GerhardChristmann 5 лет назад
I mean the RZ Mask , if it was not clear :-)
@hyland1984
@hyland1984 5 лет назад
Scott check out "crazy framer" & what he thinks of the dewalt nail gun.
@bradmoshenko7733
@bradmoshenko7733 4 года назад
Have been thinking about getting a mask for a week. Air brushing and wood work.....thanks!
@farcry5299
@farcry5299 5 лет назад
Gday Scott, just curious what size mask you have there? Link shows options for L, XL, Adult and Adult large. Seems like too many options to me...
@Samakahzi
@Samakahzi 4 года назад
Hey mate I'm a gyprocker/plasterer would this be good for sanding gyprock you think? Or are the dust particles too fine and I should use a respirator?. At the moment I'm only using a cloth face mask when sanding.
@boblee3322
@boblee3322 4 года назад
Are the filters reusable after cleaning with a shop vac or soap and water? How long does one last before replacing?
@CuttinChris
@CuttinChris 5 лет назад
Would these be any better than a paper mask for grinding metal?
@drblackleaf
@drblackleaf 4 года назад
"No one cared who I was until I put on the mask"
@yogidemis8513
@yogidemis8513 4 года назад
I got one as a gift when the Columbia River Gorge fire was going on. It's the only mask you'll ever need.
@tonyscerri6039
@tonyscerri6039 5 лет назад
Welcome back Scott Brown here
@itsbearnshd1427
@itsbearnshd1427 4 года назад
What is your editing software called I love how you pushed yourself away to the side
@80zbabyz
@80zbabyz 5 лет назад
I’m getting one of those mask definitely thanks mate!!! And if u guys aren’t in tune with rr buildings . Plz subscribe what they do on that channel is amazing . Kyle is the man . U r too Scottie!lol
@bodyland4683
@bodyland4683 3 года назад
Seems like a pretty good mask. Did you ever get the chance to compare it to the BCmask version?
@QALibrary
@QALibrary 5 лет назад
very well done on the 40k subs - I found your channel when you where at 19k
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
Cheers bro!
@carpenterone3
@carpenterone3 5 лет назад
I need to get another RZ mask, I wasn’t thinking and let a coworker use it when he was grinding and his breath smelled like he ate a diaper 😂 needless to say I haven’t used it since 👊🏽
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
🤣🤣
@totallyfrozen
@totallyfrozen 4 года назад
That’s a funny line! 😆🤣
@SHINdanny
@SHINdanny 3 года назад
maybe it was a burrito, not a diaper
@ashbroome8558
@ashbroome8558 5 лет назад
Really want one of these masks as atm I use nothing and know I really should! Just don’t know what size to get and no real help on that! What do I do?
@rossmale8715
@rossmale8715 5 лет назад
Cool looking mask,buts it's essentially a paper mask with a nylon sleeve to hold it around your face.id like one but at around £35 UK price I'll probably not bother.
@fotopdo
@fotopdo 5 лет назад
this is true, although I did check and they are better than the paper masks that I've been using. I use N95's and these are N99... the number being percentage of particles up to .1 microns... (I think)
@Cameron2874
@Cameron2874 5 лет назад
I agree. Like the mask but a 3m mask like Scott's other one is far cheaper option. I can only find for £50-£70 in UK
@bobbysworldrox
@bobbysworldrox 4 года назад
What happens if u use two filters at a time? does it give u more protection
@carsongoodman5581
@carsongoodman5581 5 лет назад
A good respirator that is comfortable is way better, they have attachments for vapors aswell
@simmons9700
@simmons9700 4 года назад
What approvals does it have, the rubber thinggy is the exhalation valve - its a fairly important component of any mask!!!
@JakeBM4
@JakeBM4 5 лет назад
Interested in a review of the dewalt. About to buy one since im on the battery system.
@tubestick00
@tubestick00 4 года назад
I wear a respirator for dust aswell... I just hate to think of how much dust I have breathed in over the years, so I'm really paranoid on it now.
@dalefurley
@dalefurley 5 лет назад
Great vid as always not sure the face mask holds an ffp rating high enough for uk legal use more of an off-road mask not building silca dust or fine dust but I would love to be told otherwise , that do look good but not sure if legal as a form of protection in the uk
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
Yeah probably best to keep a full respirator around too
@dalefurley
@dalefurley 5 лет назад
Scott Brown Carpentry great channel to watch , and it’s really improved my ability and thought process to tackle jobs ,
@simonrae8690
@simonrae8690 4 года назад
scott I used mine for woodworking but after a year the velcro is starting to lose its stickiness
@dvs784
@dvs784 4 года назад
After watching the 10sec of that dewalt nail gun I don't need to see any more
@brucey39
@brucey39 5 лет назад
I will have to get one of those masks for my Gimp
@seansmythe7543
@seansmythe7543 4 года назад
Hahah what
@UncleSamsDeplorable
@UncleSamsDeplorable 4 года назад
just ordered the m2.5s
@4StringSling
@4StringSling 4 года назад
What size is yours Scott? Any info on the difference between Large and Extra Large which Piranha tools do both of?
@pablovocalsguerrero
@pablovocalsguerrero 4 года назад
As my opinion best mask
@rodolfogiles8055
@rodolfogiles8055 10 месяцев назад
Are these masks safe enough for tile dust and cement board dust?
@frenchiefrog1564
@frenchiefrog1564 3 года назад
Scott which kind of garage you rent i live in Australia try to find a workshop like that in a storage place where i could do as much noise as i want but i dont find any. Look like a 100 garages where you're at and hips of room inside. Thats cool. Cheers maaaate.
@philipsmyth9540
@philipsmyth9540 5 лет назад
Hey Scott what size did you go for?
@PrinceMannofficial
@PrinceMannofficial 5 лет назад
Can they ship to Australia?
@ned607
@ned607 5 лет назад
nice vid 👌
@dannyb4283
@dannyb4283 5 лет назад
@4:11 you'll get there soon bro. Your channel has grown a lot and you put out good content. You could maybe look up some smaller tool companies and reach out to them. Or you could just try to do reviews like AvE (you should his channel out, best on yt) and have Patreon help buy the stuff you test on the job.
@clintjones1193
@clintjones1193 5 лет назад
I tried out the dewalt nailer a while ago and it wouldn’t sink nails in LVL plus the cycle time was too long, the hitachi kicks it’s butt, sinks nails fully into LVL13 and nails as fast as I can hit the trigger. Only complaint is the handle design always give me a blister on my thumb knuckle
@Frogswilly
@Frogswilly 5 лет назад
Clint Jones harden su up Clint
@jethro1066
@jethro1066 5 лет назад
I got a de Walt and returned it, picked up a Hilti instead I have troubles with the nails not driving into lvl When I replace the gas I get better results but not for long Problem is I seldom use it here unless I’m being lazy with formwork. I’ll be keen to try that air bow and do away with gas that goes off in the heat
@MsElijah16
@MsElijah16 5 лет назад
What's LVL? Is that laminated something something
@jethro1066
@jethro1066 5 лет назад
Elijah laminated veneer lumber, in this case 95 x 65mm
@MsElijah16
@MsElijah16 5 лет назад
Brett Mowbray cheers
@antzanton4842
@antzanton4842 4 года назад
The question is how do they go with glasses Foggy or not ?
@dougsaunders8109
@dougsaunders8109 5 лет назад
Remember when you wear the respirator for the best protection (ffp rating) you must be clean shaven. The stubble gives a place for the dust or schmoo to find its way through between the seal and your skin. Like the channel. Keep up the good work
@MsElijah16
@MsElijah16 5 лет назад
Doug Saunders same with scuba diving I've heard some people need to shave their face to get a good mask seal
@frankyoung6832
@frankyoung6832 5 лет назад
I can't believe I'm the first one to mention how rad your post box looks. How much more do you have to do? I hope you filmed making that.
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
All done, that will be the next episode
@frankyoung6832
@frankyoung6832 5 лет назад
Hell yeah! Dude, seriously, your channel is so good and reliably consistent. Thank you.
@mikedubya9313
@mikedubya9313 5 лет назад
Mate im all good for wearing masks but the problem i get is my safety specks fog up when i use them How does this bad boy go?
@vits-nz
@vits-nz 5 лет назад
As for what age, my dad finished up when he was 60. His body gave out before his mind. It came to an end when he nailed himself in the hand, twice in the same day with an air-supplied nail gun back some 20 years ago)
@MsElijah16
@MsElijah16 5 лет назад
Dave Parker wow , did he nail himself because of vision loss?
@vits-nz
@vits-nz 5 лет назад
@@MsElijah16 - just old age.. his muscles couldnt keep with his brain.
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
Ouch sounds like he made the right decision , he had a good run though!
@fotopdo
@fotopdo 5 лет назад
Scott, you said that you use "prefer" to use a respirator for paint fumes, I think it would be helpful for those new to the trades to understand that a dust mask does not filter vapors, esp any kind of solvent.
@carsongoodman5581
@carsongoodman5581 5 лет назад
fotopdo this is true. I got poisoned from CO from running a concrete saw inside a bathroom in a garage, I had fans blowing windows open to blow dust and vapor out.. I wasn’t chocking on dust but I started feeling extremely tired to being so dizzy and dazed I thought I was going to die.. I literally positioned myself to where I could be found if I did so I could receive help faster. A respirator needs to be vapor approved. CO poisoning kills especially in cases where it poisons you very quickly rather than a slow leak in a house. It’s very extreme.
@rustyrose4684
@rustyrose4684 4 года назад
nice one, the funny thing with all those masks, includeing n95 masks that they are curently using for the corona outbreak is that after two minutes of heavy dust work like we builder or asbestos waste remover see, the efficiency of all theses bs mask drop by 80% capacity. if you wana stay safe, use the later mask scott shows, m3 mask with p3 filters or sundström or what ever els that is serious , the more shit that gets in to those filters the better they block the crap coming in! we all work in bad environments weather its dust from sheet rock, och epoxy dust, or asbestos, or just regular wood dust. stay safe and protect the only two things in your body that keep you breathing !
@janaxu4925
@janaxu4925 4 года назад
Are you interested in evaluating masks and leaving your review?
@recommit
@recommit 5 лет назад
Scott, I want to know if you would recommend the Toyota Hiace or not. I am about to change work vehicle from a 4wd with boxes on the back to a van. Plenty of reviews say the Hiace is a bit of a turd to drive but great at the site, also the Hiace is the highest selling van in Australia at the moment even with the current style being 12 years old. The Hyundai iLoad is my other choice, just a but annoying the rear cargo bay is less than 2400 long. But would you recommend the Hiace? Cheers mate.
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
Yeah what you heard is right. They struggle up hills and are loud inside the cabin but great for building. I would buy another one if I needed to, pretty happy with it. I hear they have finally redesigned the Hiace and plan on rolling them out this year. A brand new one would be a bit pricey though.
@mg-ir6vj
@mg-ir6vj 5 лет назад
Where can I buy it?
@conorocuinneagain3431
@conorocuinneagain3431 5 лет назад
How can you get this mask in IRELAND?
@frameriteairdrie578
@frameriteairdrie578 5 лет назад
There's a movie that just came out called "5 Feet Apart". A sob story about a sick girl with Cystic Fibrosis who is vulnerable to infections, so people around her wear face masks. Instead of traditional medical masks, they wear RZ masks. If you haven't heard of it, look up the trailers on RU-vid and you'll see the masks. RZ also has a Facebook and Twitter page which I follow.
@cabbycabby1770
@cabbycabby1770 4 года назад
Interestingly, the exhaust valves on the RZ masks are NOT filtered. So these masks would have done nothing in that situation.
@wheres_bears1378
@wheres_bears1378 4 года назад
Finally after asking on about 5 of your other videos I stumbled across this lol Good for asbestos?
@Shorty4u59
@Shorty4u59 4 года назад
Nope
@markodjukic7666
@markodjukic7666 5 лет назад
Scott....the RZ Mask....are you sure it's something you use at work, or is it used for extra curricular activity? 😊
@milehighac2738
@milehighac2738 4 года назад
What size is that?!?
@SpeedLockedNZ
@SpeedLockedNZ 5 лет назад
What type of masks do you use? Lol hi koki
@lamf2659
@lamf2659 4 года назад
does it protect for flu virus
@TheJttv
@TheJttv 5 лет назад
I think the person who asked if you did the music just meant do you do the audio for the video and add the music in. Not make the music.
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
Oh , yeah I edit in the music
@hugoknutz9089
@hugoknutz9089 4 года назад
What about for viruses and stuff of that nature?
@johnwareham8875
@johnwareham8875 5 лет назад
Hey Scott great video on the rz mask 😷 1 question, what size did you go for? We don’t have them in the uk so I’m Importing it from America, they have medium, large and extra large. Just want to make sure I get the right one Thanks 👍
@Michael-fb1gb
@Michael-fb1gb 5 лет назад
I want to know the same thing lol Just buy 2 sizes and gift the one that don't fit I suppose
@big_daddee
@big_daddee 4 года назад
chip damn good question! I couldn't figure that out either since they're kind of pricey.
@OpticNastyTuber
@OpticNastyTuber 3 года назад
you need a bigger saw for opening that plastic bag Scott?
@thomasknight-wagener8485
@thomasknight-wagener8485 4 года назад
I like it how he had some problem with saying the 3 seconds of information about the masks in New Zealand... so instead he spent 10 or a hundred times longer editing in that little part from another video that went for 3 seconds. He will not repeat himself: let the records show!!
@thomasknight-wagener8485
@thomasknight-wagener8485 4 года назад
you idiots i have already said that just coz you don't watch my videos you ungrateful twerps... no i will not tell them today i cannot utter these words... I will just snip this... ahhh and drop it in here... right here yes and a little push transition and wah lah!! They can eat my dust
@MikeBramm
@MikeBramm 5 лет назад
I wear an RZ Mask in the shop every day. They work great.
@bopexplorer3663
@bopexplorer3663 5 лет назад
Now the post has 2 nails sticking out of it 🤔. 🤣
@sdsd2e2321
@sdsd2e2321 5 лет назад
That was fucking stupid. he had spare wood on the floor
@MsElijah16
@MsElijah16 5 лет назад
Thought the same thing, he prob not gana punch those in haha
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
Fence is being replaced
@bopexplorer3663
@bopexplorer3663 5 лет назад
@@ScottBrownCarpentry thought as much 😊. You don't seem like the type to make that kind of mistake!
@taunokekkonen5733
@taunokekkonen5733 5 лет назад
02:40 watched AvE unboxings much?
@dfw_motorrad1329
@dfw_motorrad1329 3 года назад
Didn't say "TIME!" Unboxing time invalidated.
@martyboywex
@martyboywex 4 года назад
Hey scott I just got my rz mask it's the business. Any chance of a link to cheap or cheaper filters for a chippy in ireland? Love the channel mate 👍
@tylerford04
@tylerford04 5 лет назад
Hello again scott
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
We meet again
@tylerford04
@tylerford04 5 лет назад
@@ScottBrownCarpentry btw love the video's
@toddadams2985
@toddadams2985 4 года назад
Wt size r z mask do u use
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 4 года назад
Large
@toddadams2985
@toddadams2985 4 года назад
Ty
@fromerop2823
@fromerop2823 Месяц назад
Dear One: What is a Q and A or Q/A or QA Please. Best Regards
@ConstantineJoseph
@ConstantineJoseph 4 года назад
Is this mask effective against coronavirus?
@candoattitud3
@candoattitud3 5 лет назад
All the gear but no idea. Useless filter for construction... Looks good but
@vincenthucknall6464
@vincenthucknall6464 5 лет назад
SCOTTISH BROWNSON HERE
@erike7297
@erike7297 4 года назад
This masks alright but not great. In todays insanely inflated mask prices i feel like i got this at a decent deal.. about 35 bucks for the mask(comes with 2 filters) and each additional box of 2 filters was about 8 dollars. Main things i dont like about this mask is the cost, I wear mine at work outside in the sun and sweat in mine a hell of a lot, the foam lining on the nose bridge which is glued onto the filter comes loose, pretty damn annoying especially at 4 dollars per filter replacement. Secondly, since there is only one strap which goes around your neck and no strap on top this mask pulls down on my nose. I cant really breath through my nose much while using this mask its all mouth breathing. Its fairly comfortable to wear aside from having my nose blocked off. This mask works a lot better than a bandana but I cant wait for 3M masks for be available for cheap again. I use to get a box of 20 count 3M masks for 10 bucks. Now im buying replacement filters at 4 bucks each.. sigh..Hopefully the velcro on the mask straps dosnt wear out any time soon., velcro thats used a lot typically wears out and becomes useless.
@psfgtech
@psfgtech 4 года назад
Junk, doesn’t block chemicals and at best is 50% for dust- the 3m is better and the breaking bad ones even way better
@brizzle1882
@brizzle1882 5 лет назад
Why do you wear ear defenders 24/7?
@jamesbailand4311
@jamesbailand4311 5 лет назад
To not got deaf?
@brizzle1882
@brizzle1882 5 лет назад
Have you got the mental capacity of a 6 year old kid?
@MsElijah16
@MsElijah16 5 лет назад
An Impact driver is 100 db and a hammer drill is 115 db you need over 85 db to cause hearing damage .....all according to doctor google doctor google is prob right though
@james-jq8sk
@james-jq8sk 5 лет назад
Wow Scott, your girlfriend's gorgeous...(hope that's not inappropriate) :-)
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
I agree
@ReefahLobo
@ReefahLobo 5 лет назад
😒 I'm just here for the letterbox..
@azza1793
@azza1793 5 лет назад
So i get a Garnier hair dye commercial before a Scott Brown CARPENTRY video, I guess RU-vid is targeting all of Scott’s female admirers
@ScottBrownCarpentry
@ScottBrownCarpentry 5 лет назад
Scott Brown hair
@cameronhogg4423
@cameronhogg4423 5 лет назад
Find the videos interesting and fun but why not make them a little longer
@nickmakris2971
@nickmakris2971 5 лет назад
Because there is no seal on these masks, there pretty much useless. They look cool and that's about it. I have there first gen and there newer one. Both are in the garage, collecting dust.
@JimBobe
@JimBobe 3 года назад
Why does mine look like I have a full duck bill!
@cabbycabby1770
@cabbycabby1770 4 года назад
Eh fancy paper masks. It’ll never get a gasket like seal, hard to clean the mask itself since its fabric and not plastic/rubber, and the filters are not certified by any occupational or safety authority. I’ll stick with 3M.
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