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Abueno pasaber

unfortunately France does not recognize any other language than French . This should be addressed ay EU level .

Claro, dice' bueno' que es aranes dudo que se diga así

@@eusebiodavidveramunoz4029seguramente se crió hablando castellano también

=> latin vulgar = Sermo Vulgaris =/= classic Latin

Sabiendo castellano y catalan lo entiendes muy bien, pero hay palabras que se me escapan

​@@titoivis9857como la palabra, bueno,.

I have been diving into Catalan a lot lately. It sounds very close to Catalan to me.

@@europa_bambaataa That's because Aranese is a dialect of the Occitan language. Occitan Is the closest related language to Catalan.

Very understandable with a knowledge of Spanish.I would not feel left out. Unlike Mallorqui.

Aranés is a gascon variation spoken in spain(cstalonia).

​@@europa_bambaataavery similar

I speak portuguese and i understood 100%

Arthur P. Paiva 100% ? Eu entendi uns 80%

I'm mute, and I don't speak

​@@ArthurPPaivaeu também entendi

La prosodia es molt més ibèric que no és en gascò o occita d'altra banda del Pireneu. Comprensible mes amb una pronunciacio molt proxim de la del català i del castella per a un occitanoparlant de Tolosa o de Bordeu.

Suena como Catalán..

@@bribdelang6698 En quina llengua parles (? perque el teu català ... només s'entèn.

Perque em pareix que parla mes català que gascó que son does llengues molt propes però amb diferencies qu'es noten en seguida

Pues son araneses y se sienten súper españoles además de araneses en su gran mayoría

i speak mostly English and have studied only a little latin language but it feels rewarding that i can decipher the main gist of your comment without speaking Spanish

Sí, és aranés muy castellanizado, sobre todo foneticamente

entiendes italiano ?

sí, también lo hablo, y portugués.@@stephanobarbosa5805

Brib Delang laisse pas mourir ta langue! Vive le gascon!

"Au mensh i a un brave petit pais e on e la nosta lenga e's mantién" c'est bien vrai ça. Je me suis dit la même chose. Et puis ça fait plaisir aussi d'entendre de l'occitan qui n'est pas dénaturé par un accent francophone trop prononcé, comme c'est malheureusement trop souvent le cas

El més curiós de tot, he entès el que has escrit. Sóc català però, Occitània es pàtria avans.

compreni'u tots, escriuts. Parlats, compreni lo gascon, lengadocian, lemosin, provençau, aranés. assagèi pas enqüèra de compréner los autes. èi aprés la lenga durant lo confinhament, èi pas hèra la possibilitat de parlar dab autes locutors.

@@wordart_guian segur.

i only speak spanish and i also understood everything :)

@@EstrellaPolux You only speak Spanish? I mean like right now?

@@Big-guy1981 no, i meant i only speak spanish and not french.....i speak english, german, spanish and italian....but i think the other languages didn´t help much to understand her !

@@EstrellaPolux there's no way you understood every single word if you only speak Spanish. Probably 80% but not 100%.

You’re all lying

this is Occitan that spoken in Northeastern Spain

This is not a dialect of Spanish(Castilian) but it's a separate language

@@Nich-ib7xv S/he hasn't said it was.

Which dialect are you talking about?

Spanish isn’t a language as such. What we call Spanish is Castillian, an Iberian language/dialect with a bit of Léonese (another one) mixed in. The other major Iberian language/dialect on the peninsula (in the sense that it’s the official language of a nation state) is Portuguese. And there are many more. Catalan and its dialects aren’t originally Iberian, but spring from Occitan, which originated in what are now NW Italy and SE France. It is inevitable that people’s speech will change over time, even without the influence of another tongue. But all languages and their speakers are influenced by the others around them, and that will cause change as well. This is especially true when one language is small and has to coexist with a larger language that dominates daily life. Castillian became the main, most widely spoken language in Spain, both naturally and through the actions of the state. As a result, the use of the other tongues lapsed through discouragement, the need to deal with officialdom in Castillian, and, most recently, an outright ban on their public use by the dictator Franco. In this way, Castillian became the de facto ‘Spanish’ language. But for many people, particularly Catalans, it’s a foreign language.

Arañol

In Catalonia there isn't a preference between "moltes gràcies" and "merci", maybe in some regions, but i hear both of them everyday.

@@gattetta merces

​@@Svnfold yes, in formal speech or informally with correct grammar is "mercès"; colloquially/informally though "merci" (with stress on the "E") is used by the """"""younger""""" (

For one thing, the final “a” are pronounced as “a” whereas in the great majority of Occitan dialects the final “a” are voiced as opened “o”. Also, Aranese people are typically also fluent in Catalan, so their accents often leans towards Catalan.

Also, she uses lots of catalanisms

tp230 The question was rhetorical. But Aranese is the perfect transitional blend between Catalan & (mainly) Languedocian

Shaide well technically I think it’s closer to Gascon than Lengadocian

But still: a perfect transition

+Javier Sotillo la Corona de Aragón no existió jamás con ese nombre, y es más catalana que otra cosa

@@lluisbofarullros3223 es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_de_Arag%C3%B3n

@@JavierSotillo lees solo lo que te interesa? Salu2

@@lluisbofarullros3223 De momento yo ya he puesto un enlace , y en la version catalana de la wikipedia pone lo mismo que en la castellana. Si sabes mas que la wikipedia por favor iluminanos con enlaces a fuentes serias. Gracias

@@JavierSotillo para que quieres enlaces y fuentes serias si de esas fuentes solo tomas lo que te interesa. Si quieres iluminación te la procuras tu que para eso estás

es díser que la lenga oficiau d'aragon èra lo catalan

No es incorrecto lo que dijo, la Corona de Aragon estaba en manos de la casa Barcelona, y los reyes de Aragon eran Catalanes (descendientes de Ramon Berenguer). Es como decir la corona franco-inglesa para referirse a los Plantagenet, no es común, tampoco incorrecto.

@@RoderickVI, las dos son totalmente incorrectas. Por muchas vueltas que le des, no se te puede dar la razón, lo siento.

@@ROGER-yo9cy No son incorrectas, es terminologia utilizada en historiografia para referirse a lineajes.

@@RoderickVI, estaría bien que te informaras mejor sobre el origen de la Corona de Aragón, no que sacaras una parte. Por cierto, son linajes, no lineajes. Y te dejo con tus reinos imaginarios. Un saludo.

@@ROGER-yo9cy Estoy bien informado sobre el origen de la corona de Aragon, mi familia formaba parte de la nobleza Aragonesa, y contamos con documentos legales de la epoca. Muy aparte de eso he leido todos los documentos de la unión de la Corona de Aragon y el condado de Barcelona, asi como todo lo vinculado a la inclusión del Reino de València

Unfortunately Lengadocien Occitan and Provençal are heavily influenced by French, so no wonder that you could understand Aranese better.

I heard a lot of Italian similar words, like 'nostra'

Al 324 (al migdia) fan el telenotícies en Aranès, va molt bé per acostumar-se a escoltar-lo. 😊

Occitan.

+Rod PP Also Spanish. I can unsderstand 85% of it all.

I can understand 95% as I'm a Catalan speaker who also knows French. I believe that Catalan was a dialect of Occitan that got more influence from Spanish language and changed over time.

yes. Catalan derives from Occitan

haha i can understand 100%

no, here is Castilian speaker; way more easier to understand than portuguese , southern italian or even catalan !

eventhough Castilian is closely related to Portuguese,but I think that Occitan is much easier for Castilian speakers to understand this language compares to Portuguese

Is Llengüa ďoc is Occitane...NOT SPANISH NOT FRENCH NOT PORTUGUES...Catalan is also Llengüa ďoc...Is like Principat ďAndorra official lenguage is Catalan....please dont said Is like Spanish language because is NOT show respect for us culture...VISCA PAÏSOS CATALANS!!! VISCA llengüa ďOc!!! Greetings from Barcelona.

@@ruthalgaraalgara7446 perdona,peró el catalá no es llenga de oc, es altre llengua, una petita de respecte

As a french speaker that’s sound nothing like it

@@ruthalgaraalgara7446 Calm down

@@yanissamer2687 It kinda does, it sounds mostly like spanish with a hint of french.

I think her accent is genuine. A native speaker of Catalan myself, and my accent is "true"/"strong" enough to be noticed immediately when I speak Spanish, I can say that her accent is definitely much closer to Catalan than to Spanish. I guess Occitan would have had tons of different accents, ranging from almost french in the north to almost catalan in the southeast. The valley of Aran being not only next to, but inside Catalonia, it makes sense that the native accent of Aran would be something really similar to the one in this video.

Occitan has different dialects and accents so finding what the ''true'' accent is is kinda irrelevant since back in the day it would sound just like any spanish or italian language(back then they all sounded very very similar) before the annexation of toulouse or tolosa to the french crown after the crusade against the cathars

Agree. She displays more Castilian influence in her accent whilst there are other speakers who display French influence in their accent. It has much in common with catalan. But even when catalan is spoken one can hear a difference in the accent of the catalan spoken in rousillion and the catalan spoken in spain.

Why spanish she days "terra" with strong R and not "tegha". How do you think Latin sounds? Like italian or spanish or like French?

A mi también me suena muy castellano su acento

same with occitán spoke in italy, has italian influence

However Occitan & Catalan in Past time ia same languages, Old Catalan is desscendant of Old Occitan so its not make sense

This is Aranese Occitan that spoken in Northeastern Spain

My Spanish is "sufficiente para passar" and I was able to get bits and pieces. To my ear it also sounds like a mix of Spanish, French (Of which I speak basically none but can recognize it) and a bit of Italian

@@arlaabrell8658 its a Oc language, very close to french and portuguese. I native portuguese speaker and i do not speak shes dialect, but i got 95% of what she said. See the texts: Aranese: Hola, mi nom è Sònia Mentilla Moja, soi d'un petit poble del Val D'Aran, tinc trent-dos (anhs). Portuguese: Olá, meu nome é Sònia Mentilla Moja, sou dum pequeno povoado de Vale d'Arão, tenho trinta e dois (anos).

@@atencioatotselsestupids9063 IS CATALAN COUNTRY IS NOT SPANISH NOT AT ALL...VISCA PAÏSOS CATALANS!!! visca llengüa ďOc!!! Vall ď Aran is Catalonia is not Spain....Show respect for us culture and languages...

Mismatchman I speak Portuguese and I understood about 80 percent....muito similar ao Catalão

It is, effectively. It's classified as a dialect of Occitan, which at times is considered the same language as Catalan.

@@schadenfreude000 . You mean Catalan was part of Occitan .

@@christofat2704 Well, yes, that's effectively what I said.

Ok

Yo hablo castellano y portugués, pero no entiendo 100% de lo que dice. Suena muy lindo.

To me as a Galician, sometimes it sounds like an eastern Spanish dialect with a heavy French influence, and other times as French with a strong Spanish influence, and sometimes it sounds Italian here and there, very interesting and beautiful language!

​@@gustavohermosilla5207 É moi interesante como as linguas ibéricas e románicas poden ser diferentes a nivel rexional, debido á situación xeográfica o Aranés está moi preto do Francés e do Catalán e tamén un pouco de Italiano, mentres que a miña propia lingua materna o Galego está moito máis preto do Portugués e Mirandés (un dialecto Asturleonés falado en Miranda do Ouro).

Is it the same as catalan?

@@Wolf-wf5pu Castilian is a language known as "Spanish" by the Hispanophones outside of Spain,but in Spain and some countries in America call Spanish as Castilian

De donde eres?

@@RaulGonzalez-xt1kx de Inglaterra 🤭

@@UlyssesHaq como aprendiste castellano? Eres de ascendencia pakistaní?

@@RaulGonzalez-xt1kx soy mestizo, nací en inglaterra de madre inglesa y padre de Kashmir. No somos pakistanis. Como los catalanes no son españoles. Aprendí catalàn primer, pq me cuativó la atencion. Luego aprendí castellano. Todo de manera autodidacta.

@@UlyssesHaq disculpa creí q eras de ascendencia pakistaní por tu nombre imran por q el primer ministro pakistaní tiene ese nombre es común en ese país Cuéntame cómo tuviste contacto con la lengua española

fèsta = hèsta, Fusta = husta (cresi que s'escritz cossí). L'aranés es occitan gascon.

@@Cesc8170 ok thanks, pero que significan las dos palabras?

Waldensian es franco-provençal no occita

@@Svnfold Waldensian is religion, our language is occitan. Franco provençal is spoken from Valle d'Aosta to Lanzo Valleys. Can I know it since I'm local?

@@danielemeytre4010 interestingly, as a speaker from around bordeaux i find piedmontese occitan really easy to understand

Meinungs TV this is a dialect of Occitan, and as a Spanish speaker, I can tell you it's as unintelligible to me as Catalan is

L'aranès que acabes d'escoltar no és un aranès genuí. Aquest està molt contaminat pel català i el castellà. Si vols escoltar una persona parlant aranès pur t'aconsello aquest vídeo ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uJcjA-xQ4J0.html

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Mesma família linguística. Na verdade nossa maneira de escrever e muitos sons que temos vieram desse idioma.

nh y lh :) por ejemplo

Gabriel de Jesus Silva Vc pode aprender Catalan e basicamente comprender Aranes. Vou te deixar uns link pra vc escutar/ver programas da Catalunya. www.tv3.cat www.catradio.cat Espero vc goste!

Gabriel de Jesus Silva e r també post estudiar-ho en Duolingo des de espanyol.

Obviamente, no sé que esperabas.

@Alfons Martinez E òc, pensi atal tanben.

Y aragonés sobre todo en la pronunciación, Arán limita con la Ribagorza.

I think this is the case, in Aranes and Catalan there are quite a few Spanish words like Hola, Muchas Gracias, etc. I'm sure it is no doubt the product of growing up going to school and social events where Spanish is the national language. The same way it seems that Occitan speakers haven't actually used the word 'òc' in god knows how long, and just say 'oui'. But yes I think what this young lady is speaking is practically Catalan, we'll have to see how Catalan and Aranes look on paper compared to each other. And that is fascinating about your grandparents, it's amazing to hear someone who lived in 20th Century France never learned French, especially since Paris was already centuries into trying to eliminate the Occitan languages. It would have been amazing to hear their lovely Provencal dialect, those dialects were so influenced by Italian and Ligure so it's also fascinating that it was so intelligible with Perpignan but not Barcelona. I just imagine the Troubadours migrating from Piemonte across Liguria and settling in Catalonia, where the language they had built up split off into two directions, and became French and Iberian cousins.

@@rudolfschenker i feel like outside of politeness words the difference is quite limited, as a gascon speaker from around bordeaux, aranese and even the occitan spoken in piedmont seem closer at times to what i speak than the standard gascon that is usually taught

En catalán (y también aranès supongo) nos enseñan varios barbarismos que solemos traducir mal del castellano como "bueno", o la "y" en vez de la "i", o a mi se me ha escapado muchas veces "m'has asustat" (me has asustado) cuando en catalán asustar es espantar xd.

@@allanansume5524 tal vez barbarismo no sea la palabra más adecuada.

@@juandiegovalverde1982 oh, creía que en estos casos se denominaba así, ¿cómo es sino?

Eso es porque utiliza muchos castellanismos y catalanismos en su aranés. Es aranés pero no del 'pur aranés' típico de la zona baja de Aran. Cuanto más arriba del valle vayas, más influenciado lo oirás.

El Aranés y Catalán vienen de Francia

@@RoderickVI Occitánia

@@Markxulonis77 Occitánia está en el sur de Francia

@@RoderickVI Occitània ei ua nacion enta quate estats. França, Espanha, Itàlia e Monaco. No frança sola

@@RoderickVI I no, el català no ve de França, es va originar a Catalunya a partir d'una llengua original que també es parle a Occitània

I guess it was just a mix up when you were typing, but you did realise she speaks Aranese, not Portuguese, right?

Es clair.No ni ha molta diferencia amb el català.

omg el historiador salió a lanzar sus hot take

+DCCuban la Corona era más catalana que otra cosa.

take a look at the document known as the provinciale romanum which was the most widespread medieval (ecclesiastical) geography

Occitan is sort of intermediary language between Spanish and french.

El provincianismo les puede, hay que tenerles pena. Lo mismo con "Paises Catalanes", es como si llamaramos a Andalucia "Paises Castellanos". Como decía mi abuela, de donde no hay no se puede sacar.

guardas lo provinciale romanum (geografia medievau mei correnta)