S&W FPC PCC: S&W Getting It Mostly Right 

The fact that nutn is still below 1M subs is ridiculous. It's one of the most classic channels on YT.

TD is rocking that new age fudd look.

Watching these two since the beginning. This reminds me how precious life is.

Love it when both father and son are on these

I own a lot more of the M&P mags, than I do of any Glock mags. I had to buy what I could, pre-ban here in Colorado. So, for me, the fact that it uses M&P mags is a great feature!

Is TD channeling Chevy Chase?

Hats are already sold out, but I’m digging the “life is short” tees; just picked one up. Dad just got a cancer diagnosis so it kinda hits close to home; I may or may not have even got a little emotional during the outro. I appreciate you guys; TNP has been a part of my life since probably 2008ish. From exposure to new guns, knives, and recently watches; to at least some part of my decision to enlist in the Marine Corps over a decade ago. I’m a proud patron, though it’s probably time I upgrade my membership. I don’t mean to gush; this video just hit me at a certain point in my life. Thank you guys, Nutn and Doodle and all the cast members who’ve come and gone. Here’s to another decade and more!

You will need to stock a lot of cheap, but reliable guns in the deep preps. I call them Katrina guns. They have to be disposable; because gov will set up roadblocks in SHTF, like they did in Katrina, and take your guns. You will get no receipt, you won't ever get your confiscated guns back. When your guns are confiscated on the road, you go back home and grab another Katrina gun. The gov also went door to door with their Katrina confiscation efforts. So, cache some of your Katrina guns in hiding if this happens again. I've settled on SW FPC for my disposable Katrina car carbine. Use Underwood solid copper Platinum '+P' or '+P+' 68 grains or 90 grains. Nothing else compares to it for penetration.

Dam im getting old. TD went from looking like a college kid to a grown man.

“Big from eating.” 🤣

9mm is cheaper than .223 for plinking. I already have a TON of M&P 9mm mags. I'm also a fan of the magazine/ammo compatibility between handgun and carbine. Back in the 1800's, cowboys on horseback had carbines that used the same ammo as their revolvers. This is why my FPC has become my truck gun for camping and road trips. My travel combo is a 1st Gen M&P 9C for concealed carry and the FPC for a little more reach. I don't see any self-defense engagements at much more than 75 yards and with 124gr +P Speer Gold Dot, you still get adequate bullet expansion at 100 yards.

Nutn and TD will still be doing this in ten years.

My FPC stands upright on it's stock between my nightstand and bed. It's earned that place after 2Krds of flawless function. Angled foregrip, TLR7A light at 12 o'clock and loaded with 124gr Federal HST's (1256fps) 13.3" penetration, .73" expansion

Clark Griswold glasses rock !

You are the best thx for the great content all these years!

you guys are so freaking off the hook! I used your vids years ago to pick up some great firearms. I wIsh I could have KEPT ON buying fire arms! Great to see ya'll still at it! Edited: PS Allie I miss you so much!

The FPC is probably the reason that I'm going to buy an M&P handgun

Why say "GTW" when "go to war" is just as many syllables?

I guess I didn’t finish the whole video on patreon but just rewatching the ending is hilarious when you are pretending to talk for the dog 😂😂😂😂

Excellent review as always Mr.TNP and Tactical Doodle. Sorry to bring this up I miss Ally the 4 legged companion, but I love to see from time to time your new companion your black lab.

Guys, it's not always the correct fit for the application. We get it for years that you aren't a fan but it does have its place. Don't forget that back in the day when you introduced the kel tec 9mm, you made a comment about how you thought a test bed was in Falluja. It has a place and my KT .40 is pulling duty as we speak.

I would argue that PCCs fit in the home defense role very well. Ammo designed for short barrels, recoil nearly the same (maybe a little less when comparing to a shorter barrel AR and definitely a tad bit more when comparing to 16” plus AR), expanding hollow points to prevent over penetration if that’s a concern of yours, compact, light weight and ammunition is just as cheap and available. Most of the time optic mounting options are the same and the tests of 9mm in longer barrels shows less expansion but not a lot of people take into consideration that it reached max expansion and continued to peel or “mushroom“ tighter and it’s suppresses a lot better than 5.56/.223. As for SHTF, get an AR 5.56. Keep in mind your location, if you’re fighting out in the desert then run a Nutn setup but if you’re somewhere like I am, most engagements will be close quarters as will be most engagements in SHTF so I would go no more than 16” and 3x9s or 4.5x14s are out

I must admit I like that offering. I would prefer a few metal upgrades on some of those major stress points. Example, full MCarbo metal upgrades to Sub2000. Also, a .40 Cal. option would be nice.

Kel Tec Sub CQB both fix the issue with the sight and has a integral suppressor. The S&W FPC is $699; The Sub CQB is $1000, but the Sub2000 Gen3 is $499.

I just got a new FPC and tried out the underwood 68gr xtreme defense. They are running 2271fps that is smokin from a 9mm pcc. I got a new carry bag for the FPC it is a Trumpet gig bag off amazon. Tiny bag carries a 16in pcc and 130rds with two extra spare mags. Very capable and stealty package.

I am waiting on the Gen 3 Keltec because I am a Glock guy. Nothing against M&P's just like to keep it standard. One mag one ammo.

SW quality is way better than the Keltec Lego

I believe that the concept Smith and Wesson is going for is the cowboy loadout. A pistol and rifle chambered in the same caliber so you don't have to carry two different caliber ammo. Pistol for close the rifle for medium range.

I have one of these as my truck gun I absolutely love it it’s fun and cheap to shoot I carry it in a regular back pack nobody has a clue 😉 I like the way it folds over the kel I don’t mind the lil extra weight. The buttons on the side are bolt catch only you charge it to release the bolt. Explanation in the paper work. 🤓👍🏽

Thanks guys for the review.

The only reason for a PCC for me is to pair it with pistols I have in hand. For better or worse, no pccs take mags from my pistol system so I guess I'm safe for now. That said, those pistol brace chassis look neat for certain applications.

PCC, fine for GTW, if you're not leaving your house. It's great for CQB ecosystems. It's nice to be able to roll something that shares your sidearm mags, so you can carry 1 set of mags.

WORKSITE Tool Bag 17 Inch, Wide Mouth & Portable Canvas Tool Bag W/Strap, works great for the sub2k. Only 16 dollars.

Ironically I bought my first PCC recently after a buddy bought the S&W FPC just to scratch an itch to buy another gun. He sold me his gen 2 9mm sub 2000 in OD green. $300 bucks and it had a few M-Carbo upgrades.

On M&Ps, using a longer mag than fit to the grip, can over insert and will bash the ejector until bent upwards and the gun binds up. Must use the mag spacers or be careful on mag insert/reloads.

PCCs are gonna be way quieter than a 5.56; that’s a decent sales proposition for home defense right there if you don’t have a can.

Though my Ruger Pc9 is aesthetically more pleasing, the S&W FPC replaced it as my home defense gun. Less deafening than my 5.56s.

Nice specs TD...Looking very astute

I am a fan of the M&P pistols, so I might get one of these just because I have a ton of mags. Also second cool. Folding 9mm that uses M&P mags.

S&w has the BEST ergos. Whether its a revolver, PCC, OR shotgun. They get the human engagement elements right

Great vid. The ending was nice.

This is a follow-up to my comments of 4 months ago. So, I just bought an FPC yesterday. I don't have any S&W 9MM pistols to share mags with this carbine. Why did I buy it? Largely because I saw it at a local big box store in their "used" collection for a price far below what they're currently bringing retail, making it an attractive purchase to see if I like it or not. To put it in perspective, I spent about the same amount as I did on my Gen 2 Sub2K after adding a Red Lion handguard so that I could add better sights and optic and still fold the Sub2K. Currently, it's waiting a front iron sight so that I can sight it in. I may put a dot sight on it but may not if the fixed iron sights prove useful enough; that way I can fold it up and forget it wherever I wind up putting it.I am in wholehearted agreement about the magazine spacers - but the application of some Loctite (R) brand plastic adhesive may prove effective in dealing with the issue of drifting spacers. I applied that fix tonight and we'll see how it holds up. Given the wide open spaces here in northern Nevada, my prior opinion on philosophy of use for PCCs still applies and I don't expect to have a serious use for this carbine. However I think it will at least turn out to be a fun range toy and might even not dump ejected cases on me like the Sub2K did before I added a Kydex deflector (yes, I'm left handed). If nothing else, if the party starts and you haven't brought your own party favor you might find yourself issued the FPC.

Thanks, thanks guys. Love your videos.

Awesome review. As always.

TD rockin them Clark Griswald glasses

The case is a win.

Among the GET HOMES GUNS, don't forget the SU16s. Light, compact, but AR 15 power type. The Red Dot makes the a bit faster. Too many people look down on them but you know better.

My Sig MPX K might not be the best choice for a GTW weapon but it is my go to PDW weapon for home defense. Also perfect for traveling when staying in cheap dive hotels, which I frequently need to do. Fits in a book bag backpack. I can take places I could never take my AR.

Seems like a pretty practical choice for S&W Folks

I was about to buy the keltec 2000 until the sales lady showed me the s&w and changed my mind really quick don’t regret buying the s&w

Great video, just a small correction. Gen 3 sub 2000 do not come with fixed sighs any more, but you can fold with red dot installed as pointed by TD

Definitely not gonna get rid of what I currently have for one. A PCC is more of a range toy for me. For any serious work a 5.56 or AR10 variation if weight permits would be my first choice. But theres always room for more lol. Thanks for the review Nutn!

Beautiful black lab I had one back in the day he was a good boy 😢

Well if you think about it, the S&W FPC 9mm, regarding projectile velocity at the muzzle, you’ll be getting 1400 fps which is producing the higher velocity over a 10mm out of a 5” barrel or even the Sig 357, the FPC firing an affordable 9×19mm Parabellum could match it regarding velocity.

"Hey sonny, you dont need a weapons mounted light on your pistol, who do u think u are, a cop?" -Tactical Doodle😅

Great video! Have you thought about reviewing the new Extar EP45? Just got one over Christmas and loving it!

I got a m&p but I agree with tactical doodle Glock magazine is a must

I’ll just keep my Stribog, I changed the lower to run CZ mags/magpul/ets/psa/manticore 30+ mags and ar-15 trigger and grip. Extremely accurate for vehicle gun in a major city, with a small chest rig.

Great video. I don't own a PCC. I never found a need for one and I can't really think of a good use for one. I would, as you suggested, opt for a AK platform pistol with an arm brace if I wanted something really portable/concealable.

I think the spacer thingy on the clip-a-zeeeeens is to protect against over insertion under stress.

👍🏽 You honesty is truly appreciated.

Just sold my sub 2k a few days ago to get ready and have the extra dollars to get the new sub 2k when it becomes available, in my book the sub 2k is hands down the best pcc, i have had like 5 of them over the years now from the first gen 1 I got some time ago now.

I love pistol caliber carbines

I would like to see TNP project review the Lee Enfield.

I have quite a few Glock and m&p mags and a gen2 keltec sub2000 g19 mag fed. I would never swap to an m&p platform. $40 for 15/17 rd mags with the only aftermarket mags being promag which are about half that but they are also about half the reliability in my experience. I’ll stick with my keltec and Glock mags. Although I carry an m&p 2.0 9mm daily.

YES!! between 3 to 6 !!

First min of this video, Nutn and TD read my mind and soul on those answers. I have 3 and would not trade them. They serve no purpose, other than enjoyment, and I inadvertently collect them for that reason. None of my subs are my go to guns.

The little plastic spacer is there for over insertion I’m pretty sure. If that wasn’t there it would be easy to slam the mag into the ejector and bend it.

Or price point vs firepower? PCC seems a good choice.

I'd like to see this come out in an even more compact frame and lighter weights compatible with shield plus mags for vehicle kits

I have a sub 2000 9mm 🫤 the sight tower hits the side of the stock cavity you have to align it up to close it I think the receiver tube is warped it's brand new

Td those glasses are very retro my great grandfather and uncle had those glasses

Don’t fully agree on the WROL assessment. 5.56, absolutely, 9mm pistol, no brainer, but if you’re foraging, scrounging, trading for ammo, you’ll take what’s available and I’d like a rifle length 9mm if 5.56 becomes scarce. It simply easier to shoot more accurately than a pistol. Of course 9mm might become scarce too but between the two I think you’ll be able to find some of one.

I like my Sub2000 but no thanks on Smith products. I would rather have a RDB-S or SU16C if I needed a carbine. Keep up the great vids

Promag has 32 rd mags that fit. You can squeeze 35 in them. Great rig

Great reviews

Did you test the s&w ets mags? My 30 and 17 rd ets don’t work in my fpc.

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hey guys just some updates w the new kt-sub2k gen 3. it does not come w sights bc they had to save money as it is the same price as before. its glock only mags now but they upgraded the trigger to metal and maybe some internals. plus a new charging handle but no last round bolt hold or non recip charging handle like the fpc. overall a vast improvement still at 499, but only 1 mag and no case. the fpc comes w 3 mags plus a case, cost a lil more but overall, a better pcc and value imo. if you put a red dot on the new sub2k you can keep it on and still fold it, but you will lose the flatness as the rds will stick out on the side and in exchange, you lose the ability to put accessories on one side of the handguard as well. still ok for strapping to a pack though but your flat case will have a nice bulge in the middle. i have a voodoo tactical case for my sub2k gen2, which is more of a two pistol case, but it fits perfect w some pockets on the outside. the gen 3 will prob need a thicker case w some more foam if you plan on leaving the red dot mounted which you should.

Quite the spotlight on that AR.

TD NOT MISSING MEALS

i picked up a ruger pc charger a couple years ago. added a bunch of stuff to make it look cool. shot it a handful of times. i shoot my S&W 15-22 more than anything

TD has some good artwork :)

I bought one recently because I was looking for a plinking gun. Nothing about the fpc screams end of the world wrol shtf with this gun. But it is very fun. Be a fun rabbit gun if they ever exist in any number again.

Had to let my 16” scorpion carbine go sucks so bad. With that said I based it on the actual power of the weapon. I was forced to choose between a few different of my favorites. It boiled down to the Scorpion I didn’t want to but in today’s world I would never choose a actual rifle. The scorpion was always just a fun plinker to me

When Nutn reviews the taran AR9 though 😂😂. It’s a niche gun for me though on PCCs though suppressed is fun as heck.

The only thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't come in 40sw or 357sig.

At the very least for training reasons, I'd prefer 9mm over .22 lr. I've never fired 22lr but I've heard they are "dirty" and often have malfunction issues. I'd also rather train with something I might actually use for self defense.

i looked at several pcc's over a couple years...chose the scorpion evo3...its just reliable and accurate...i've done a few mods...trigger...safety...grip and so on...there are more expensive gucci types...but i liked the scorpion best...it just has the "looks cool factor" and performs...it will take something pretty spectacular to pull me away from it...i only have one pcc...the one i want....no need for others because i just would'nt shoot them...

Nutnfancy and TD, classic!

He's still under a million sub because some people cant get over his VALLEY GIRL kind of vibe.

Doodle's got some drip with them frames.

This video is not in your latest video feed. I was in the PCC playlist and found it

45 ACP is the ultimate sub gun cartridge. All of the standard off the shelf ammo is both full power AND subsonic. You can get boutique or handload 45 acp to top power 10mm levels (185 gr @ 1300 fps) and as NUTN said the vast majority of 10mm ammo is at 40slow and weak power, I’ve tested over 2 dozen and it’s true. You can also train with the same power loads and bullet weight you use for defense so there aren’t any training scars from using neutered practice ammo. Standard 45 acp rounds out of a sub gun are lethal at least 50 yards further than 9mm tho there is more drop which can be accounted for. I hit 8” plates standing at 100 yards all day no problem with a dead on hold zeroed at 25 yards with my B&T using an RMR sight and can easily hit 12” plates at 200 with 350 lb ft energy.

Hey Nutn, I’m surprised you didn’t give the FPC way more negatives, esp based on SAWC. The FPC needs to be 1+ lbs lighter and overall smaller footprint in order to compete with the (IMO) better Sub2k Gen3. And I’m sticking with my Glock mags

More of the pup please!

Friggen Doodle looks exactly like my 50 yr old uncle with them glasses on lol. Funny part, he’s only 5 years older than me and I also have an uncle that’s 25 yrs old, same age as my son lol.

Nice Kings Camo jacket👍

Long time follower and Patreon. I'm sorry, I'll use a sidearm to fight to my rifle. Anyone who thinks they need a PCC is Larping....Change my mind. Now anyone who is observant knows why PCCs are so popular. AR's are not selling. The industry as a whole is recovering. They have done well in their restocking efforts and guess what. They have created a bunch of inventory lowering the price on a lot of things. A buyers market, Good for us! Now Ammo is being treated like Oil. Those companies are public and are being traded. Ammo is a commodity item it seems. If someone said I'll buy you a PCC... i would ask for Ruger or CMMG. Looking forward to your review on the TNW.

I'm saving for one the affordable I absolutely think there a rockstar platform