SABC News Exclusive | Kagame on South Africa-Rwanda relations 

This man is one of Africa's modest influential & controversial man, couldn't SABC find a better journalist with better articulation and someone who actually knows how to ask relevant and necessary follow up questions. This was a very important conversation/interview, what a missed opportunity.

SA did an investigation around Karegeya's strange death. And the initial lead pointed to Kigali, Rwanda. SA even had suspects and asked Rwanda to bring them to SA to be trialed. They refused. That is where it became kind of clear that the government could have been involved, especially taking into consideration the history. And the pattern of Rwandans dying under strange circumstances in other countries. I remember seeing an interview of another Rwandan who was highly positioned in government having bodyguards allocated to him by the Belgian government in Belgium because he was deemed to be in danger.

Today we talk about Rwanda fondly because of this man. His leadership has transformed Rwanda into a country that is world standard. However, the western media reports prefers to run propaganda about him. The Africans, unable to protect Sankara, Lumumba, Ghadaffi, etc will be on his case and regret when he is no more. Africans learn politics too late. At the moment we are fed all nonsense about him to tarnish his reputation. Libya learned too late that they shouldn’t have listened to western media. Now oil is channelled to USA and Libya is wrecked. Let Kagame and Rwanda be… get your leaders to care about their countries and its citizens.

The world will remember this man thousand years to come

This man is highly intelligent

I love you Paul Kagame 🇷🇼 👑 and Rwandese 🇷🇼❤️

Ill prepared Journalist. Wish President Kagame all the best .

My favorite african leader.

Happy with improving relations between the two countries. South Africa can learn a lot from Rwanda🇷🇼 🇿🇦

just to think that we had leaders like this in South Africa until 2009!

Kagame is an African hero

My favorite African president ❤❤❤ all the way from South Africa 🇿🇦

Long Live Rwanda, Long Live PK.

Best President in Africa who changes his country from worst to best. Kudos Mr President

Leaving my country DR Congo for refuge was one of the toughest moments in my life. The war has really destroyed our homeland and the all World keeps quiet because of their selfish interest

The saint Kagame. All South African President from Mothlanthle are the problem but him 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

love you kagame support you live long my darling ❤💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘💘

Great interview, thank you Mr President

Love to president kagame❤❤❤ is the one to learn from.

The best african president ever, pan african, open minded.

Paul Kagame 👑 This man is the Greatest African President 🙌🏿 🇷🇼 Finish and Klaar. Let's put this matter to rest.‼ Pray for Congo 🇨🇩 🙏🏿

His body language shows that he was nervous and uncomfortable to talk about the death of that former intelligence head.But anyway if i where to choose someone to lead any contry in the world, I will vote for this man.My reason: He does not suffer from inferiority complex 2 He does not suffer from victim mentality ( He was not part of those African presidents Who went to beg for food in Ukraine and Russia) 3.He is pragmatic ( he looks for solutions not shifting the blameor making excuses )4 He has a vision and deals harshly with any one who wants to destroy or kill his vision.

Wat beautiful interview u can see they look both very comfortable talking to each others ❤. We should promote our African journalism

We need more Kagame in Africa

We for Kagame

i like how this guy transformed Rwanda, their economy is flourishing, their army is so strong and well trained and equipped

I love the knowledge of Kagame and Museveni on matters of sensitivity especially miltery matters

Thank you very much Sis Sophie for bringing closer to me the views of this man I love and respect from afar. Hearing him speak specifically in relation to South Afrika is highly appreciated.

His excellent ❤

I'm a South African and have had the privilege of visiting Rwanda before. It's a beautiful nation that has made significant progress. I enjoyed the hospitality, culture, food, and the warmth of its people. However, I find it deeply troubling how nonchalant the President is when confronted with these serious accusations. "When were they killed?" Is that the stance he wishes to adopt while suspicions linger that his government may have orchestrated the killings of those who opposed him and his party in South Africa and other parts of the world? He is undoubtedly aware of these accusations. How can trust be cultivated with a foreign government, especially one perceived by many around the world as disregarding the sovereignty, rule of law, diplomacy, international law, and human rights of both other countries and its own citizens Rwanda has made significant progress, yet there remains a considerable distance to travel in achieving full realisation of human rights for its citizens.

Paul Kagame is the best leader of Africa

It's a nice sound bite that made me laugh 🤣. Africa won't get better unless more brains like Kagame's are produced.

Great man here👊♥️ Best african president ever👌

This guy is immensely involved on the 1994 genocide in Rwanda,,but the Americans and its allies are shielding him from persecution.....

President Poul Kagame🇷🇼 Our Mao Zedong🇨🇳 ✊

president africa deserve

Mbeki was under appreciated.

This man triggered the Rwandese genocide when his rebel group RPF took down the plane carrying former president Juvenal habyarimana

Great man! The world wants to drag him down about his own past. South Africa couldn’t even deal with its own reconciliation disasters. Today Rwandans Hutus and Tutsis live side by side in peace. South Africa still can’t agree to share their land and racism still remains while black people reconciled with themselves. Let Kagame comti9with his great job. Rwanda today is what it is because of his leadership.

I just read a book the state of Africa by Martin Meredith. I support kagame 100%. The topic on Rwanda Genocide made me cry. UN let Rwanda down. Even now people want to raise against Kagame. The man ended Genocide. United Rwanda.. Perpetrators of genecide ran away to DRC side as refugees and started scandarlizing Kagame. Others started believing them the lies against him. I encourage people to read this book

H/E Paul Kagame is so smart to solve the issues in Africa but becoz of indirect & immaturity politics there is a big resistance

Thank you Mr President rwandans support you. No one ll stand on us in talking always what we have to choose. We don’t need who we rwandans should choose as president. It is only for rwandans rigjts.

KAGAME is a killer and like driving blood.

Even if all the world could not trust you but many Rwandese love you and will love you till the end! I love you mister president handsome out and golden heart inside

What H.E Kagame is saying shows how other countries react to solve African issues, and it shows that with leaders like them this Africa we want is not the one they need as decision makers we voted.

Afrika my home

We love you Sis Sophie 🙏 thank you for this important interview. Thank You President Kagame for answering questions. I think i follow events between Congo as a whole and Rwanda. I know what is the take of Former President Mbeki on how the conflict between Rwanda and the entire Congo should be resolved. I can safely say Former President Mbeki is on the same page as Presiden Kagame . They are together the that conflict in one way or another. I would have liked to kindly ask African Presidents all of them If a genocide is called a conflict. Out of if somebody becomes a billionaire not running any production line. Just for being involved in resolving that genocide called conflict. Will the genocide called conflict ever end. Im asking this question because both Forner President Thabo Mbeki and Honourable President Paul Kagame are billionaires out i don't know where. Will war ever end in Africa if it pays so well 🇿🇦❤️🇵🇸🙏 thank you,🙏

The president of Rwanda has united the Rwanda people

PAUL KAGAME IS THE BEST PRESIDENT IN AFRICA. HE BUILD RWANDA TO BE A POWERFUL COUNTRY IN AFRICA. VIVA PRESIDENT PAUL VIVA!

His Excellence we love you ❤🇨🇩

The best president Paul kagame in Africa even

If you hate your own family how you love you neighborhood something isn't long here 💯 😅😅😂

Well said Mr. PK. Africa and the world really need fearless leaders like you

We love u our excellence

You have to put respect on my president's name, and write His Excellence Paul Kagame, not just Kagame as if he is your Maid

President Paul Kagame, I admire your leadership and wisdom 🙌 👏 🙏 ❤️ ✨️

Long live my King...👑🙏❤️👏👏 Mr. President hope Africans youth we've you.

PK your a Legend

South Africa did well to even kick that same ambassador that was also kicked in Belgium and DRC

Wicked man

If South Africans don't want a relationship with us, we are fine stay in South Africa, and we will stay in our great country, Rwanda. That's clear.

One of the best president in Africa

I have my reservations about SA and in particular the politics.... However 13:56 to the end is everything as Africans we really need to conceptualize and engrain in our hearts.

If you are not supporting M23 why are you allowing the M23 to use Rwanda as the Transit for they are logistics?

I love this president ❤❤i wish it was my president 😢 not ramaphosa

Most people don’t know who is really Kagame is

Someone needs to explain please why Sophie has a job at the SABC?these questions she is asking my 7yr old can position and ask them thoughtfully...how did Sophie get this job?

They are speaking no holds barred now.This is "the Traore Effect!!" The jig is up!

Ndikuxelela ngo Pres. Kagame kemnake 👏🏼

I think President Kagame's quest to have discussions around Congo and Mozambique has to be given an ear. He seems to be genuine in his pleas. I suspect that egos and assumptions have clouded the issues

S. Africa will commit a grave mistake if it opens doors to Kagame agents 😢 Kagame says South Africa didn’t open or finalize investigations on Col Patrick Karegeya 😢. I think investigations were done and the court decided that the killing of Col Karegeya was politically motivated!! What Kagame needs to know if he’s hypocrite !😅 The guy accused of killing him (Kililis) is guarded by Kagame’s Republican guards 😅😅😅 this confirms that this certain Kililis killed him: why Kagame must give him escorts for life 😢 Kagame celebrated the death of Col Karegeya, this is known. There’s an assertion that Kagame promised to give a $1 million to his agent in order to kill Col Karegeya 😢 What else is needed to confirm that Kagame is a killer of Col Karegeya 😢

Indeed, Africa needs strong leaders like Paul Kagame who stand against those big countries when they are wrong destination against Africa and Africans.

Kagame is an African hero. The West are intimidated by him because he's not their puppet. He has dignity and stands for Africa. Kagame allows Africans to enter Rwanda visa free.

Big shame on you criminal Paul Kagame. You will be defeated and arrested.

South Africa should have helped Mozambique immediately when the situation started

Kagame is very mischievous , sectioning the killing of his political rivals is a sovereign country and expecting roses is delusional.

Can this man step down & give others a chance.

Always give your precious time to listen to others, its a way to understand them better............I have realized that this guy want nothing but goodness of Africa, i see his heart is burning for the development, self reliance, self respect and peaceful Africa.

Mr. Paul Kagame is our hero. I wish you would be our president of our country. You are really our role model. Stay blessed 🚀

This is true ❤❤

Fellow

The jounalist did not do home work before this interview; would have brought more information from him.

Paul Kagame is a realist a man of action and truth. *Fit for the President of the United States of Afrika*

Here is a short summary of the issue with the M23. The M23 is a rebel military group that is for the most part formed of ethnic Tutsi. This rebel group is mainly based on the eastern part of the DRC. According to a United Nations report, it was found that Rwanda created and commanded the M23 rebel group. Your question will be "How did Rwanda create this group?" When the Congolese rebel called "Laurent Desire Kabila" wanted to overthrow president "Mobutu", he benefited from the support of the USA and Rwanda. But Laurent Desire Kabila did not have a proper army to overthrow Mobutu, reason why his rebellion was a mixture of Rwandan soldiers and some Congolese. When he took power from Mobutu, he realized that he made a mistake by inviting the Rwandan army who was mainly made up of Tutsis to Congo. Because Laurent Desire Kabila did not have the time to rebuild the Congolese army after defeating Mobutu, the Rwandan army found itself controlling most the Congolese army. This did not please Kabila Laurent because he realized that the Rwandans he brought to assist him were now wanting to control the whole country and he requested them to go back to Rwanda after paying them the money due to them. But Kagame was not happy with this decision and used the same Rwandan soldiers to start trouble again in the eastern part of the DRC. Why was Kagame not happy? He realized that Congo was a land reach in minerals and he could not afford to loose control of the mining areas. If you notice, the M23 is mainly made-up of Tutsis. Rwanda is made up of two tribes, the Tutsis and the Hutus. The Hutus are a majority in Rwanda, but Kagame has not allowed them to be part of his government nor his army. He hates them with passion. Tutsis do not originate from Congo but came to the Congo as refugees or workers. Most of them were given Congolese citizenship and are living in peace in Congo. Some are big businessmen and others have been part of the government. But when Kagame noticed that he was going to loose the control of the minerals in the eastern part of the Congo, he created the M23 using Tutsis from Rwanda and some Tutsis from Congo with the support of Europeans and Americans. The M23 sole objective is to control the rich mineral areas of the DRC on the east. Reason why you will notice that the war is mainly centered around where the minerals are. Kagame is just a thief used by the west to destroy the DRC. But he will not live for long. His time to go has come and he will leave Rwanda a country not united. He did not unite the Tutsis and the Hutus in his own country and took that same hatred to the DRC.

People should know that we're in digital not analog coz every thing is recorded and south Africa has the most technically than Rwanda truth is always the truth

Africa need strong man , great ideology, honesty not murderer like this man ( kagame)

We the president of Uganda and Rwanda in BRICs court not in the international commed court and we judge s from Russia and China

Africa unite

This man is wise.

Robotic journalism...😮

Team MK 🇺🇬 ,kagame 🇷🇼,M23 🇨🇩🫶🫶🫶🙏

amazing interview but a lot of rhetorical questions

I believe Kagame is saying something very important which i am interested to know. Unfortunately, it seems difficult for me to follow what he is saying.

President Kagame knows what he is talking about

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STOP FIGHTING M23 IN DRC, THEY ARE STRUGGLING FOR THEIR RIGHTS

World-class leader..The best of the best.👏🙌

the ruthless assassin

A great lakes region virus expanding in Southern African countries

Kagame we are proud of you