I see Siegfried as a Tragic Hero, given what we have seen in the first 4 episodes, all he wished was to help others. Betrayed by those he has helped, He took his own life by any means
When you think about it, Fate/Stay Night really has the perfect archetypal representation of every dimension of a hero. Archer is the embodiment of an idealized hero, always acting for the greater good and the sake of others-- and in the end, the world and his own dreams betrayed him. That's a sentiment found all over folklore, myth, and legend, and I don't think that's a coincidence. King Arthur. Siegfrued. Achilles. Karna. Almost every righteous hero in mythology is always betrayed for their good intent
with that invisibility cloak, let us see siegfried as an assassin He could be summoned because he fought and killed bandits while invisible, and his dragon slaying legend is interpreted as a surprise attack
Siegfried really did embody what a true hero was. In words of Uncle Ben: With great power comes great responcibility. Siegfried understood and lived by that code. A true hero, if there ever was one, even in death.
I mean... that's how she wanted it. Like Spartan sex. You want it? Earn it. She was a darn warrior princess after all. And it was either help him do that, or Gunter would eventually be killed if the rue was up. Siegfried only ever felt grief for doing so, and gladly let himself die to make up for it. So yeah, he made a dishonorable choice to save a life, but lord it wasn't a back alley rape scene. It was a woman who would only allow her man to bed her if he could hold her down. I imagine she honestly just laid there like "When.....did you get this strong now?" It was a different time and age friend. (Also fake.)
It would be cool if Arthur was revived and morderd vs Arthur again... Shirou was so trash, he was so weak so he never allowed Arthur to use her full power.
Two things you missed. When he drunk the blood of Fafnir's blood he learned the language of the birds and he roasted Fafnir's heart and ate to gain wisdom/prophecy.
Depends on which version you read. In the Völsunga, where the hero is called Sigurd, he burns himself while cooking Fafnir's heart for Regin, Fafnir's brother. The grease and blood on his fingers retained a fraction of the heart's magical powers, and so he gains the ability to speak to the birds, who tell him of how Regin plans to kill him and take the dragon's treasure all for himself, and he receives the gift of prophecy and wisdom after consuming the heart itself, which I believe Regin offered to take in lieu of gold. ... Come to think of it, there's a precedent for Siegfried to be summoned as a Berserker. If you interpret the story loosely enough, then the heart's 'wisdom' may have actually been a kind of madness that made him paranoid and greedy, at least temporarily, and cause him to _think_ he could hear the birds speak. After all, that power is only really brought up one time and Fafnir himself was originally a dwarf whose greed corrupted him into killing his father and later turned him into a dragon. Begs the question as to how eating the heart of a creature brought to the point of beastial mindlessness through sheer greed could impart wisdom An interesting premise, but I'm getting off topic... In the Nibelungenlied, where the hero is called Siegfried, it's mentioned that he became invulnerable after bathing in the blood of a dragon(supposedly Fafnir), but there is no mention of him gaining any other powers beyond this, nor him feasting on the heart of the dragon. In fact, the whole affair of the dragon is mentioned almost in passing, ironically by Hagen, who is the one that ultimately kills Siegfried. So yeah. There are some serious discrepancies. The Nibelungenlied, for example, has three recognized versions, with dozens of translations that have been made over the centuries.
@Brutalyte616 I am going with traditional telling of the tale and leaving out the whole Regin fest so I can talk about two other powers he should have. His name changes per language being spoken Siegfried is the German telling while Siguard/Sigurðr is the Norse. Both are fine just and just wanted to point more of picture of how crazy powerful Saber of Black is. He has as many powers as Gil has weapons
For the whole "didn't notice an invisible force", it was because Gunther was the one wrestling Brunhildr while Siegfried assisted while invisible. Also the bedroom challenge was for Gunther to prove himself wrestling her, not "beating into submission", at least not the version I know.
No he was born in Xanten which is very much not in the Netherlands neither back in the day nor now. The area was called Niederrhein (Netherrhine) or Niederlande (yes Netherlands). It doesn't refer to the country we know today but a part of land or rhine which is nether or down. It's not a name but a description
>this chick has to be the most oblivious person we've ever come across I mean... Brynhildr's beloved list in FGO contain those who are similar to Sigurd in her eyes, and it contains 3 GIRLS and A HORSE So yeah, Sigurd's gonna need some thicc megane for her
Achilles didnt get his heel doused in the gods flame so that was his weak spot. Sigfried had a leaf on his back so didnt get the dragons blood touched there making that his weakness. Hmmmmm
I love how kings always are dicks to heroes of immense power. My skill as king would have been sure marry my sister if she wants. You can be my best friend while we are at it. Cause a neigh invincible swordsmen for a brother in law would be amazing
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I like how detailed you went, even mentioned how he got Balmung and his invicibility cloak, fun thing he also got it during the battle on Nibelungenland after killing a dwarf. But the thing is that Brunhild is NOT Brynhildr, they may share similarities, but at the end of the day they're different. There's also the thing that Siegfried didn't actually drink the blood of Fafnir, he only soaked on it which also gave him a dragon core like Arturia's. He's also from Xanten, Germany, not from the Netherlands. And his parents' name were Siegmund and Sieglinde.
Compare Saber of Black with the Lostbelt Saber, Sigurd. One has super toughness and a sword that fires dragon slaying beams. The other has a pair of wisdom increasing glasses and can either launch dragon slaying beams on par with Excalibur or PUNCH the multiple blades of his single weapon at one target.
"really useless" Hmmm just summoning his treasure as one of his noble phantasms? That reminds me of a certain character...that really weak one, Gilgamesh!
Sounds like the playable character in an RPG just going around and doing quests for all those incompetent NPCs. Also wouldn't that invisibility cloak just allow him to be an assassin class as well except without the whole "You can't attack with invisibility active" thing?
Seigfried and akillies are really similar in that they are great heroes but can only be killed by having one spot on thier bodys struck siegs back was covered by the leaf givving him that weakness and akillies heal as his mother dipped him in the river styx holding him by his ankel leaving his heal untouched by the waters
So, long story short, Siegfried is a tremendous badass and everyone else from his origin story is a bitch because they either lie or cheat to get what they want wheras Siegfried faces his problems head on like a real Norseman.
Cake# 'Siegfried' is definitely German, but Fafnir is a dragon from Norse mythology, and Siegfried's supposed origins are strikingly similar to that of Sigurd, the hero of the Völsunga saga who is credited with the slaying of Fafnir. The Völsunga itself is apparently older than the Nibelungenlied, which details events _after_ Siegfried killed the dragon and bathed in its blood.
His wife Kriemhild is also quite impressive, since after his death she took Balmung and led a giant revenge campaign for his sake and succeeded in the end.
My mind was blown today. Nordic mythology in anime, I'm Norwegian. I must watch Fate Apocrypha now. (Sigurd's Nordic, and Siegfried is Germanic but their the same person)
Might be a translation error or one of the cases where you interchanged versions, but the cowl, cape whatever actually allowed siegfried to disguise himself. he disguised himself as the king and then beat brunhilde into submission. as you said, there are also versions of the invisibility cloak, but in those he just steals her rings and belt, wich give her her abnormal streingh. either way, dick moove siegfried. Also hagen did not act for the honor of his king, but becasue he wanted to marry krimhilde originally.
Seigfried is my favorite servant and is one of the most powerful sabers to ever exist. only a handful of servants could even wound him and even then it would take an A class ability or np to wound him and they would effect him like an e class ability leaving him with only a scratch. if he hadn't self sacrificed it is very possible he would have won the grail war himself
@@NewMe9013 balmung has a piece of true aeter a sustance from the age of gods so i was asking if that can harm him, becouse sigfried lost some really good skill for saber class and i dont know how he activate his NP
The saddest thing is that the trailers made FA to be marketed as the ultimate battle between 2 Sabers. I really liked the part where Modred calls Siegfried Faker either in the trailer/intro. I just wish Saber of Black lived to the end of the show to fight off against the advertised Fake Saber battle. Oh and every time Saber shouted Faker I always assumed it meant that she believed the stereotypical "there is only room for one of us here" thingy. I assumed Apocrypha would be about servants killing their counterparts of the same class till the holy grail war ended up with one servant of each class... Alas, I was royally dissatisfied, pissed, and disappointed after learning that "Faker" actually meant Siegfried only existing through Sieg. Thus denying us viewers and Modred the Saber Vs Saber battle of the all of the Fate Nasuverse... Double Whoa Gundam! 😫😭😧🙅♂️
If true Siegfried fought Mordred though, she would lose rather fast. Even a projected Siegfried was able to nearly beat a Command Seal bolstered Mordred, and Sieg had no mana supply. True Siegfried's stats outclass her, his lore outclasses her, and he does triple damage to those of Dragon Blood, which Mordred inherited from Artoria. I love Mordred, but Siegfried is the guy on par with Karna, and this guy can only be hit by A rank attacks and higher which are subtracted by B rank, making even A rank attacks no better than E's, making the like's of Karna's spear only able to make small scratches on his body and same vice versa due to Karna's similar invulnerable ability. They kicked off Siegfried early because he's broken as all fuck lol
why you put Gundam pray in here lol anyway if you want true servant battle i recommend just play game or wait for new series or movies come out next years
NoxTheRegicide no this is incorrect according to his stats his swordplay is much worse than Mordred and not only that she is much faster than him, I mean sure he can kill her with Balmug but Clarent is strong enough to counter, Mordred is much like her mother who is incredibly strong as a saber just with higher defense stats and a weaker noble phantasim, Seigfried not being a knight or in a position to know many good sword techniques is vastly outclassed in direct combat with any knight servant, his only advantage is his strength being much higher but if it was a serious duel and Mordred wasnt weakened by blasted tree she would crush Seig
This fight was Sieg vs Mordred, a pseudo Servant who is drastically weaker than Siegfried himself, Sieg stated such himself during his battle against Karna. And what are you talking about? Siegfried's swordsmanship is one stated to have 'Surpassed Mankind' and 'Able to match a thousand.' Mordred's feats in both Fate and actual Legend do not even touch Siegfried's. Mordred was not weakened, she was healed up and even bolstered by a command seal because her attacks couldn't breach this Sieg's 'Armor of Fafnir' noble Phantasm, something she herself states. Siegfried stomps Mordred any fight when on even terms. Mordred BARELY matched this shadow of the real Siegfried while being bolstered past her normal capabilities. Don't pay such close attention to strict stats anyway, Artoria outclassed Sasaki Kojirou in almost all stats, and she was outclassed by his sheer skill and couldn't even touch him. Skill being something Siegfried's legendary sword style that transcends humanity, being FAR greater than Mordred. She can't hurt him due to his Armor of Fafnir, he does almost triple damage against her since she has Dragon Blood and he has the Dragon Slayer trait, and he outclasses her in skill. So.... no buddy. Your waifu doesn't stand a chance, nor could she take on Karna.
Feels like you had some negative bias towards this one. I say this because 1: Your research isnt as good when compared to your previous episodes. 2: You leave out the various mentions of his great skill as a swords man which meant knowing his weakness does not translate into and easy win as he was never bested in combat(the dude killed giants, armies and a dragon before getting magic powers, i mean come on). Also, it would seem the Siegfried in this has blurry lines with his relation to Sigurd(who will be revealed in FGO later) in that they are both the same character due to their relation with fafnir, but are not due to the fact that they wield different weapons(which are conceptually the same) Gram and Balmung. I would say their relationship in fate is similar to that of Artoria and Arthur Prototype.
no there relationship is different for Arthur and artoria sigurd and Siegfried are the same person and are accepted as the same person even having their names being used interchangeably in myth if apocrypha held to the rules their would be no sigurd and siegfried only sigurd
I always loved the story of Siegfried..I knew about sknce my childhood and his story sas always so fascinating to me. I was really excited to see him in a Fate series..but sadly they really ruined him for me with fucking Sieg. It's really sad that they killed him off so quickly and the annoying Humunculus takes his place
Sorry to ask, but were you salty about Karma fight when you did this video? Because it kinda seems like it and you also overlooked a few points, which is not usual for your videos. I really missed two obvious parallels which strike me as too glaring to not be mentioned. The first is How Balmung and Excalibur stories have some resemblance. Another Balmung origin, not mentioned in the video, say Odin himself stuck it in a tree from which every man tries to pull it, but fails. That is until Sigmung, Siegfried's father is able to pull it. It was still named Gram at this time, until it broke and was reforged into Balmung. This break/reforging could also explain the 2 sword in 1 theory. This is incredibly similar to Excalibur's origin, as not only it had the test of taking it out the stone/tree, but the sword from the stone also was broke and Arthur had to seek the Lady of the lake to get a new one. The second parallel in my mind is to a different character, Archer Emiya. I think Siegfried addition and how his story was interpreted was a shout out to the Hero dilemma which is a recurring theme in the series. Both of them lived long heroic lives, but found no fulfillness in it. This lead Siegfried to allow his original murder and then kill himself again in Apocrypha without any hesitation. While archer doesn't try suicide as normally as Siegfried, he goes back in time to kill himself, which sounds suicidal enough for me.
I know this is really late, but Siegfried in the Fate series did not drink dragons blood, he bathed in the blood of Fafnir which gave him the armor of fafnir. The person who ate fafnirs heart was Sigurd, sigurd gained the crystalisation of wisdom. The Crystalisation of wisdom is basically modern glasses. EDIT: The Brynhildr of the fate series is not the one in Siegfrieds legend.
their the sam but fate decided to be cheeky or the apocrypha writer decided to separate them despite the fact that Sigurd and siegfried are accepted as the same hero across the board
I know I al quite late to the comment section, but an interesting fact about the Niebelungenlied is that in german, the original language, lied translates to song but also suffering
Your comment at the end made me realize something. The servants of black were really underwhelming other than vlad and chiron (maybe astolfo?). Red had mordred, karna, achilles... basically everyone except Shakespeare. Black would have lost in hours if it was strictly two sides against each other.
Achilles alone would probably have won the war for Red if Black didn't have Chiron, since Chiron was their only Servant with high enough Divinity to hurt Achilles.
That doesn't even cut it. If vlad was Summoned in one of his 2 original class of lancer red vlad or berserker vlad and not the Romania ver of him, siegfried is the most strongest they had and the best chance for them to survive. The only reason chiron was able to be the only one to fight achilles is because he had divinity. Imagine of instead of siegfried, sigurd the king of warriors was Summoned. Mind you, sigurd is a demi God which means he has divinity and his sword gram was said to be the equal of excalibur.
The Volsung Saga is an earlier version of the Niebelung Saga, I believe. The Volsung Saga was actually focused on by Tolkien, and I've read a translation by him. Very very interesting.
Would have preferred if they merged Wagner's Siegfried and Nibelungen Siegfried to create this Demi-god knight similar to sigurd but with. Few changes with the tales merging
Nibelungenlied means the story of the Nibelung kings which plot is on the Land of Burgundy reign by a queen, Brunhild with his king, Gunther ...the hero of this story is Siegfried and the heroine is Kriemhild. Siegfried has also weakness like Achilles, Achilles is immortal and cannot be dead by anyone though there's a thing that her mother forget to anoint, which was is his heel and that ended him killed by Hector in the story of Iliad. Siegfried's weakness spot was his shoulder. Killed by a traitor, Kriemhild said the where the weakness spot is located. That killed Siegfried in the lake where his gonna drink some water to quench his thirst.
I'm not shore If you have read the book but the reson she put the mark on his back is becos she thort he was going into combat and Hagen sead it was so he cod keep him safe
I looked into it after this video, but Hagen was actually Siegfried's best friend and they planned his death together. And then afterwards Kriemhield spending 20 years trying to kill her brother and hagen.
Siegfried is the dragon he slays. Because of the one weakness he has, it allowed him to remain human instead of a evil ferocious dragon and allowed him to be human enough to die to human affairs, his one weakness is what makes both a person and a hero
Fate portrays something wrong: the sword of Siegfried: Balmung. In the real song of the Nibelungen, the sword is called "Gram", whereas the sword of Sigurd (the norse hero from the Völsung saga) is called Balmung. Nasuverse mixed them up.
@@DeckerJimenez7014 well, imagine Apoc but nobody has enough mana to use their noble phantasms, kinda like how Stay Night was Siegfried has massive base stats and a powerful defensive, passive noble phantasm that barely takes any mana, imagine him in Stay Night and you can probably see how he'd demolish most servants even with somebody as terrible as Shirou as his master
@@DeckerJimenez7014 FGO is the furthest from lore strength you can get, star ratings also aren't based on power but on how much money the character can make them
@AniNews maybe you could look into the way where he created his sword together with a mystical mastersmith of the dwarfts from a meteor that droped at night (maybe a divine present from the godess of the moon).
@@KisiroKitsune that's only in the anime adaptation, in FGO and i think in the novels as well it says he's from Germany which is kinda obvious considering he has a German name made up of German words that don't even exist in dutch
Me: I cried for Sigfried for a few mins then busted a nerve n got angry n totally ignored kid Sieg with Jeanne D Arc of course I just got angrier realizing that Siegfried the hero aint exactly gonna be able to rest in peace so easily cause I swear it felt Fate/ Apocrypha missed out on 1 hero that could've been in this show and it was Hilde and slapped me across the face so many times I kept my mouth shut for LIFE n besides she kinda plays a role in Sigfried's life but that was in Soul Calibur but its also in history which is a much harder slap across my face but it might hurt this Siegfried's life on a larger scale espicially if shes left out of the picture or excluded. T.T Sigfried: *walks on in* I overheard u mentioned somthing about someone named Hilde? who is she? 🤨 Me: In History She's a Valkyrie who conveyed warriors fallen warriors to Valhalla but shes also part of a game called soul calibur as a princess and warrior that protects europe and forgave Sigfried who made a horrible decision by wielding soul edge n tried to atone for all that madness lemme tell u it was horrible like hell even I could feel his lonesome journey until Hilde made that all go away n gave him the strength to continue fighting till the end and finally for once he had fell in love with her of course n she had his babies but still had to prepare for war again whenever soul edge decides to drop by n say hi n shit n drop an F bomb on everything like he always does while devouring souls for breakfast, lunch, snack, n dinner time.😑 Sigfried: I see show me how she looks 🧐 Me: Okies *pulls out tablet* *blips it on* *goes on google* *types in Hilde Von Krone* *goes to images* here ya go take a look 😄 Sigfried: She is different from our Hilde who is called Brynhildr only thing is she uses a knife along with a spear and I like her armor and her face................................its gorgeous I do not think I can remove the image out of my mind I wouldnt have minded having someone like her for a wife I can see why this man loves her in a way that seems hidden yet very loving in order to protect her n his children from such evil hmmm I have not seen a pic of this other me..........*google searches his name* *looks at images of him he truly has the look of a warrior and is much braver than I am and never gives up when I thought it would've been better that I died so the evil would go away..... but it didnt.T.T Siegfried Schtauffen: *steps in* I heard what u said and I appreciate the compliment I but refuse to hear u blame yourself for choosing to die in order to prevent evil but it is also necessary for u to keep pushing yourself forward rather than sacrifice yourself cause you have your country and people that encourage to fight the good fight against evil doers and survive once more to prevent it from happening again in order to protect the future, you simply sacrificing yourself was just the beginning you will be called on again in order to save humanity never let the evil bring you down besides you have a very long journey ahead of you and besides you will find your Hilde you just have to keep looking and never losing hope. 😉 Sigfried (fate): Thank you I will heed your advice and maybe just maybe I'll be able to find her on my own 🙂
