SAED is FIXED - My Charge Blade Experience in the Sunbreak Demo 

I was really struggling with Demo Malzeno UNTIL I tried it with CB. A mixture of all the improvements you listed, and Malzeno being "easy" to punish with a CPP into a SAED... it just flowed so well. I haven't had this much fun with CB in years!

THANK YOU FOR 7000 SUBS! Take a shot every time I say "truth be told". Anyways, onto the video. One of the MAIN gripes I had about CB in Rise has been addressed, so now I've finally got my Malzeno clear I feel qualified to talk about the Sunbreak changes! For clarity, at the start I don't ONLY mean CB was held back for speedruns. If you know the weapon well enough you know it was pretty awkward for casual play, and deserved a much higher standard. Hope you enjoy! - Cera x

The phials actually didn't change, they are the same, charge blade players have just gone insane.

The file vertical hitbox being borderline nonexistent in base Rise was what really held this weapon back for me. Frankly Capcom could have made a video featuring the reworked vertical hitbox on impact files instead of the new silkbind move since I'm 100% convinced this would have hyped CB players way more. I'm also glad to see that Gunlance is getting some love too. Hopefully the weapons feel this good to use in the actual release.

I've heard rumours about 2 points of guard being a three slot instead of four slot deco. Might help with the skill tax if true, kinda necessary if they want spinning axe ready stance to be viable. Honestly though I just really want them to fix the input dropping, no other RE Engine game has this issue and it's so bad with this weapon specifically!

How lovely. I just started falling for the Charge Blade, so you feeling quite positive about Sunbreak's changes is good to hear. Thank you for your hard work Cera !

There is another switch skill for spinning axe playstyle that was shown briefly in the recent trailer, that I think will make spinning axe more viable

Lance vs Malzeno was a wonderful matchup. Seems like instablock has more active frames for triggering the perfect block, anchor rage's buff lasts so much longer. Overall excited for lance, but glad to see CB doing well, might have to pick it up especially if we get a Magnamalo variant

I know what I'm about to say is going to sound insane, But I actually am finding a lot of use with Readying stance... With Condensed element slash. Even though in this state it is just a glorified guard point, it just flows a little better imo. I wanted to main CB in base rise, but due to its issues, I just couldn't ever stick to it for a long time. With the new changes Sunbreak seems to offer, I think i'll finally be able to dedicate myself to one of my favorite weapons. Reason for Edit: I just wanted to fix a bunch of typos.

Since I ended up neglecting CB and GS in vanilla RIse I'm planning on using them exclusively through G/Master Rank Story in Sunbreak, and I'm glad to hear they made SAED better since its definitely the most bombastic playstyle for that weapon!

after looking back at old games i didnt get a chance to play, the fact they maxtrix dodge the shield buzzsaw and the fuckin energyblade move for a guardpoint is insane to me, now i know there are more silk bind moves that they DIDNT show us, but it just baffles me, like bro the cool shit they went "nah give em another guard"

Charge Blade, Lance, and Gunlance are my favorite weapons and they're all looking better from the demo. Hopefully the full game feels just as good. I really hope the next game changes guard to a 3 point skill instead of 5 point though, it's too expensive for all of these weapons to actually consider taking full guard, and levels 2 and 4 don't really do anything anyway.

They did also apparently remove the animation penalty from charging Sword Boost and Spinning Slash so using boosted weapons for damage might be a lot more viable.

Can't wait for sunbreak! I loved the charge blade before and so glad they fixed the height!

As a CB main myself, & a new hunter in Rise, I’ve had a blast with it in the Demo. It was really disappointing when I went for an SAED & it sailed straight under the monster. At the time of typing this I’ve killed Malzeno twice in multiplayer & plan on a third solo before the game is out.

So I just got back from a 7 month deploy and decided to look up stuff about Sunbreak since it's coming out soon, and this guy's video pops in my feed. I dunno who are you but you've got a new sub my friend! #CB4Life

liked for the lack of red circles

From trying it out with CE in the demo the new aerial silkbind is a ton of fun on top of being quite useful, so charge blade should be even better in the full release. Don't know why they decided to showcase ready stance instead of that in the trailer. It's so stupid that ready stance requires you to slot guard to even use it for its intended purpose.

I'm a Ready Stance stan, I've already made 2 videos on it, trying to clear things up. Hopefully Sunbreak really makes it shine alongside Rapid Morph

The phial height was what killed CB for me in Rise, so hearing that SAED might actually be usable in Sunbreak makes me very happy. I despise spinning axe so much that on monsters that SAED is a bad matchup for I'd rather just use charged sword mode and AED everything to death, even if that does take around 53 years to complete any hunt. SAED's being fixed is cool and all, but I just want Iceborne style Savage Axe back and my life will be complete. That was the most fun CB has ever been for me, and I don't think anything will top it unless we get something crazy like Energy Blade in the new engine.

Nothing wrong with being negative if it means criticizing something you like, so many mh fans misrepresent actual criticism as blatant hate especially relating to rise

You're thoughts mirror mine exactly, very nice and detailed video man

I'm interested in trying out Lance (those increased motion values!) and Charge Blade (because of this video and other speedruns 👀) in the Sunbreak demo now that I've managed to beat Malzeno 😅

Yeaaaaah ready stance might need some work. I love the idea of playing pizza cutter style, but the maintenance involved just for all the clunk is a little much.

Capcom isnt really trying to push the skill swap at all imo, since they said the game is balanced around not having to use it, they said its just another fun tool to use if we want

i've been a CB main since 4U, so i'm insanely excited for SAED to work properly again lol

I still don't understand how guard can be a 2 slot skill in Rise. Yes the master rank armors will have better slots which will lessen the issue Sunbreak but I still hope this will be changed. Sidenote - I was considering playing lance for a bit so I took a look at what skills I wanted to have in order to go full turtle and every single guard related skill is a 2 slot. I understand why they shifted the attack skills to 2 slots but defensive ones should still be 1 slots

i feel like cb animations cant keep with how fast some monster are in rise sometimes...they should shorten saed wind up and the sword charging slam by a bit imo...but its too late for that i guess

Tbh, i hate the rise pizza cutter more than axe hopper. Not being able to retain it when you morph back is such a dumb decision that they just refuse to revert. you have charged sword in axe mode but not vice versa. And their solution.. with their infinite wisdom they grace us with shitty ready stance. we had a looping combo in iceborne with slinger burst and it wasn't good there either. i hope the other silkbind we didn't get in the demo is actually useful.

Did beat Malzeno with a Hunting Horn. Really love the addition to it. Makes bonks bonk even harder and cool songs to boot. As for CB. Happy that it got more consistent, but I can already foresee people complaining about it not being consistent enough due to other monsters having different hitboxes that just make the phials miss. It's a sad reality where no-matter how much you fix things there's always something wrong. But yea happy that now it seems CB has 2 more distinct playstyles. SAED/Axehop & Pizza. Maybe the firing pin stuff works better for pizza to compliment that playstyle.

I played charge blade in world, I loved to main this weapon. But then this double gameplay appeared. SAED or Spinning axe. Since you had to chose one or the other, I felt heavily reduced in the gameplay in itself comparing to other weapons gaining some gameplay. There are litteraly buttons combinations you never use for one gameplay or the other. Having to chose between spinning axe or the charged sword also killed it for me. I don't like the charge blade anymore since it's 2 different weapons styles in one but you end up playing with just one of the possibilities.

I really enjoyed Savage Axe ED2 spam in Iceborne, hoping this new stuff in Sunbreak brings it closer to that level of cathartic beatdowns

just YES. nothing more to add

No talk of cauliflower. I rate this video one head of 🥦 😆 Keep up the good content, Cera. 👍

SAED hitboxes fixed? thats all you had to say! I'm in!

I picked up CB in the of playing through Iceborn and beat shara ishvalda without knowing how to charge my shield and do the SAED. I went back to gunlance and swaxe for the dlc monsters and picked it back up for rise where I actually learned how to use the thing and I had a lot of fun, but I never felt like I was really doing damage like I should of been. I didn't know that the SAED was bugged and just figured I was doing it wrong but still was enjoying the game play loop. It feel so much better in the demo and I cant wait for Sunbreak.

I'm glad they fixed those phial hitboxes, I'm not a chargeblade player but I thought it was kinda ridiculous. Hammer has actually been really fun for me in the demo, specifically courage mode. I didn't play hammer in base rise but it's actually really fun in the demo and I'm looking forward to playing it in sunbreak

Seeing all those phials hit is the most cathartic release ive ever experienced ever

Man I can’t wait for sun break on ps4. I’m curious though, since PlayStation got ride way later, were we playing with these chargeblade issues too? Or were they fixed for our release? I did noticed my phials often sliding under taller monsters so I was just curious if it was something we had in our version still. One more week until sunbreak, I’m so excited!!!

SAED was just about the only thing that felt bad about Charge Blade, and now that it's fixed the weapon will be even more fun than in the base game! Also, being able to use the axe hopper without having to give up peak performance is just a cherry on top, that skill was always really fun to use but way too situational to give up a move that was useful in every single fight. And since skill tax is not a concept unless you're a speedrunner, I am very happy with all the changes.

If ready stance is affected by guard, then I think it's gonna be an incredible skill

Demo CB ~definitely~ felt better than base Rise wrt combos and dropped input and I'm excited... If still a bit wary. it was my main in my first game (Generations) but I was actually a bit disappointed with it in World since I'm not a huge fan of the more SAED-spammy playstyle. It'll be fun to come back to it with the smoother controls in Sunbreak and see if the changes give me back that "charge up and dps" playstyle with AED snipes I miss from GU/Iceborne.

Would be interested in an update to this video to see how things played out. Only just started sunbreak so I'm pretty ootl

I really hope there's a way a Guard Up skill build is viable, given how G-rank has nearly always discouraged blocking over dodging and Rise made blocking even more unappealing as an investment with the glut of counter abilities. Still good news that SAED is decent again.

Cool vid

I'm ride or die on my GL, especially since Rise's is the most fun it's ever been, but I'm glad the CB bros are getting their toys fixed. My hunting party consists of me, a CB, HH and GS mains and we're all in love with our weapons in RIse, but CB friend always seemed to be sad about his' being inconsistent. Here's hoping the changes make him happier before he decides to be a LS main :P (just kidding, I love you too, weeb friends, I slot Flinch Free anyways

I mean I’m just happy that I’ll be getting back the ability to have both charged sword *and* spinning slash in the same hunt like we had in iceborne lol

And this is why i want to start over in rise when Sunbreak patch is out, weapon fixes and buffs to make the whole game feel different.

God I'm so happy for CB. I'm counting on you Cera, we need CB getting sub 5 minute kills on mal first 😂

Imagine Lance being the best weapon In a MH game like Insekt gleve in 4U or Heavy Bowgun in Iceborne. I wish Lance would be as strong as other weapons like LS or Heavy Bowgun

Ready stance working with guard, guard up and the skill I don't remember name that boost your damage after blocking could be a potencial build idea instead of full offensive skills...(?)

Eyyyy, Fellow CB user

I'm glad CB is getting some love. I've been personally lounging in the soft palanquin that is GL being really strong for once (now that I've written this down it sound *really* weird but it's here to stay), though the fact that they only gave us access to Normal means that most of the things I wanna know aren't available to be tested unless you fiddle around with modding. But Bullet Barrage feels really good and the new BD is an exciting prospect assuming that charged shots become... actually worth using. Alongside the fact that we can fly even more with it. I'm still mourning Hail Cutter though. Or I guess mourning isn't the right word, I'm in a state of befuddlement regarding its fate.

I'm not able to beat malzeno yet, but I'm trying with charge blade and so far its the most OKs giver and destructive piece of art in all the game xd incredible the power that its show

I so wanted to love Rise CB but it just never felt “right”. Beat Malzeno with it and it feels great. Phials hit. All good! Is it just me or does it feel like there is more of a window to aim your SAED? In Rise it felt like my phials would often miss by a wide margin where as in the demo it felt like I had more of any opportunity to adjust during the animation. Is that just in my head?

Finally beat Malzeno last night. CB is better than in Rise, and I love that we get better directional input on SAEDs as that was driving me insane. Also couldn't agree more that the Ready-Stance is just a stronger GP, but it's inferior to CPP especially against Malzeno when you go from GP into SAED. CPP to SAED or AED is still faster because there's no knockback animation. I really wish they'd let us use Ready-Stance to AED cancel similar to how Morphing into Savage Axe mode in World counted as a guard point for a split second. During the Malzeno fight I tried to weave in Ready-Stance with Spinning Axe but the dps wasn't justifiable unless the monster was downed and I already had the axe charged. Skill Swap Evade was only beneficial if my weapon was sheathed and I could see the attack coming a mile away. I'm also kind of underwhelmed that we only get to choose between ready-stance or axe hopper. for the blue loadout. Axe Hopper is just a slower version of MH Generation Ultimate's Aerial Style SAED.

i used to be a charge blade main in iceborne, but when the rise demo came out it ruined the weapon for me. i main greatsword now but after this vid i think ill try charge blade again.

Can you discharge phials with axe hopper in base Rise? I played some CB in rise but the SAED was so underwhelming I stopped, but if I could discharge with axe hopper I might give it another go.

How about using the New skill for being able to guard with savage axe? Like one scroll for powerfull counters with SAED, and blade attack, and the other for slicing with savage when there is an opportunity

Axe: Ultra Element Discharge: The height of the phial explosion's hit detection has been increased. so its officially going to be patched even in base rise. FINALLY also curious about Axe: Ultra Element Discharge (Elemental Phial Explosion): Attack power slightly increased; Elemental scaling increased Axe: Ultra Element Discharge (Impact Phial Explosion): Attack power slightly increased

Does anyone know how to get the on-screen attack order like has in this video?

CB was basically my main through the base World story (I haven’ done Iceborne stuff yet), and i felt pretty competent with the weapon. I have no idea why, but I feel way worse with it in Rise. Maybe I’m just out of practice or something, but idk.

Never knew Kermit playing CB

Still going to be my main weapon for this game

I don't know what it is. But ever since 4U Charge Blade just stopped making sense to me. Like the controls of it, and always messing up the buttons to do certain things. I also enjoyed the face slap charge over the saed spamming as well. But that's just my take on it. I still love the idea of CB I just suck with it.

Skill Swap is going to completely change the game. I completely changed my LS play style and I never use Helm Splitter anymore. It’s so fun. I hope CB also has that level of versatility.

Do you get something from beating malzanos in the demo?

My problem with CB in the Sunbreak demo is that it still feels too axe-heavy (fitting, since the axe is ineed quite heavy). Sword mode still feels really meh to use compared to World, where it felt beefy and Sword Boost actually did good damage instead of "Oh look, an extra 8 damage against a monster with 20k health."

My biggest issue with CB in rise (as compared to World) was aiming of (S)AEDs. When you turn the analog stick it changes the direction by almost 90 degrees. Its almost impossible to make smaller adjustments so that the axe hits connect. Most of the time the turn is so drastic that not only do the axe hits miss, but the phials all miss as well. Makes aiming pointless imo. Hopefully with the buffed phial hitboxes atleast some phials will hit when I accidentally use the analog stick during SAED due to muscle memory

i really just wish they would add screenshake and brighter vfx to the saed, it just looks so wimpy now

Maybe I'll return to charge blade in Sunbreak knowing this after falling out with it in base Rise

Yknow, as a Hammer main crying about my weapon, it’s nice to see other weapons are happy with their changes.

Nah i think ready stance is perfect and fixes alot for the savage axe playstyle. Guard 3 will probably be enough since the skill has innate guard boost and savage axe is already way, way easier to build then SAED. All you need is crit and attack + guard 3. That´s so cheap compared to SAED needing all CB comfort skills + raw attack and crit doesnt hurt either. Also i have seen firing-pin videos and it absolutely slaps with SAED playstyle, it´s legit just free dmg and K.O.

Will these changes effect the base game if I don't have subreak?

i feel like the input buffer thing is more of a 'the game was made on switch at 30 fps' thing and they never bothered to smooth it out for pc

i actually picked CB up for the first time since i think 4ult and base gen, mostly because i had considered it a secondary weapon in my kit, far FAR under IG which was and still is my main. im literally just forcing myself to learn how tf to use other weapons so i cna go back to MHW and actually do the iceborne expansion completely because i got cockblocked from it due to the clutch claw not playing nice with controller IG

goodbye short stack phials. Hello rewarding good positioning/aim with damage. Axe hopper for super spam and the ready stance for css seems to be the way, while cpp will be staple regardless of playstyle.

All I want is energy blade, I want a lightsaber duel with astalos

Using CB in base Rise was painful to watch numerous good plays get rewarded with what amounted to being given the finger out of nowhere. The fixes might get me to consider coming back after I finish progging with Switch Axe or dabble in it some more again

I haven't been able to play the demo because the windows 7 fix mod isn't out for it yet :\

I’ve been trying to solo demo malzeno with insect glaive and I usually play with a mix of aerial and grounded moves. This playstyle is an awful matchup against malzeno and the powder kinsect is also bad because all his massive aoes blow up your powder before you can build up enough to detonate. It’s a painful fight that I just can’t beat the timer on even when I feel like I’m playing well and able to stay on top of him most of the time. Losing to the timer fucking sucks and is incredibly demotivating, even IB fatalis felt easier on that front for glaive. I might try gunlance but otherwise I’m giving up because I don’t like dps races in monhun as they feel like an exercise in frustration more than anything else (I know this isn’t related to much of the video at all, I’m really happy with charge blade being largely fixed, I just hope it persists into the full game and that IG doesn’t get murdered by multiplayer cheese abusing something that’s balanced when solo)

I saw a video where this guy spammed ready stance and then aed2 over and over again with spinning slash on and it was just insane big pp damage. I think it was idevaste but I can’t remember for sure

CB has the same issue as LS hits that should connect not connecting hope it will be all Good in sunbreak

To me the phyals and aim still feel the same way as in base rise. I won't believe the changed anything until I hear it come from the developers themselves.

Lets hope SAED doesnt become SAD in the full release... I'm so funny

I had problems with malzeno but then 3insect glaive players just nuked him in like 2 minutes. So i basicly didnt fight him. Im sad

Having gone off of Rise after the content dried up (Being mostly stickers, titles and poses for any aspirational content), I've dropped off hella hard;and that honestly sucks. I've been a part of the MonHun community since 3U;getting at least 1000 hours playtime per installation, and with my Rise playtime coming in at just over 250 hours, I've gotten hella rusty in remembering button layouts/weapon flowcharts and the like. Now with less than a week until Sunbreak, I feel like I've fallen behind everyone. Any tips for getting not only myself, but anyone else in my position, up to speed?

Even with the fixes, Charge blade will only just feel a bit better to use, it won't get that good given nearly every other weapons are getting similar improvements while getting new advantages that put them on top. Every one has been going crazy about complaining for Lance not being the "ultimate counter weapon", but truth be told, CB's identity as a parry-riposte weapon has been heavily fucked at this point too, especially given how the new parries for Greatsword and Switch Axe are overpowered both in concept and practice. At this point, switch axe is almost like a better, more consistent charge blade. Input management still being fucked up, Guard Point/CPP trigger hitboxes being so small, confirmation that Capacity Boost is NOT returning, lackluster silkbinds/alternate moves, "Savage axe" still feeling weirdly fucked, even more fast/multihitting monsters rendering counter->SAED obsolete/less reliable, so on and on. CB will undeniably be better in Sunbreak than in Rise, but anyone who believes it'll go back to Iceborne's, GU's or 4U's level is on massive amounts of copium. Based on the recent leaks, I will definitely have more fun with firing pin than anything else new CB might get, but in my heart Cb is very far from being "fixed", given how dirty Capcom did it in Rise.

What music is in the video? I can recognise it but not name it and it’s driving me insane!

This demo gave me a weapon crisis, i just cant choose what to main for the life of me, my main was GL and while I love BB i feel the entire GL playstyle will become a BB spam, then CB which you explained what happended to it in this vid but I also feel like theres nothing new to do with this weapon, basically just new options to choose from on the fly but nothing new (the aerial silkbind thing that is missing in the demo looks just like axe hopper, very gimmicky), then GS which dear lord Surge Combo and Hysteria got me acting up, but then theres LS which of course its the most stylish one and as a weeb I cant help but feel excited to embrace my inner Vergil and feel MOTIVATED, DB same as LS but with Levi and SASAGEYO!!! I will stop now but you get my point lol

Finally some decent Feedback to Chargeblade. I was already sick of People crying that CB is bad or unplayable on the Forums xD Im a IG Main but optional i play CB and GL often I beaten Malzeno on 10/14 Weapons (not killing him but making him into the Weakened State cause i only want to kill him in the released Game with my Gear and not with preset Stuff, i have my Honor)

Rise charge blade finally getting as good as HOWLING ZINOGRE

Still a relatively beginner hunter here. Just hit HR 4 in Monster Hunter Rise last night. What is SAED?

I tried Malzeno with 50mins and 9 Lifes and still failed xD (due to 9 deaths, cause his dmg is really high) And to see they fixing some vertical hitboxes here gives me hope that they fix general vertical hitboxes at monsters, like on some monsters its okay but on others.. meh.. like you are absolutely not touching anything of the back or head of the monster but still get hit.. was a reason for me to not play IG

I hate that we had to wait for a DLC release to fix weapon balancing. Capcom obviously knows, they just couldn't bother to fix it sooner.

input drops shouldnt be an engine issue, played devil may cry 5 (same engine as rise) and never experienced such a thing or heard complaints about it

Main CB here, But I beat Malzeno with GL spamming Bullet Barrage.

What’s the song in the back

What it means SAED

This is my favorite weapon and the main reason I stuck with the franchise. I don't really care how "viable" and "proficient" the weapon is, just how fun it is, in Rise it wasn't very fun at all if you have perspective on how it played before, it felt like using a sword with no blade. I hope this makes the weapon feel fun to play again.