I remember someone saying "These Saints look like people the old Saints would bully." after screenshots of the characters were first posted a couple months back. Man they were so right.
The trailers gave me an idea of side mission in which you take down a gang of copycat Saints. Ends in Boss holding their leader by the ankle out of window, while Gat and Pierce take turns tasering him. Sadly that thought was the most fun I'll ever have because of this game.
@@pinionification - THIS RIGHT HERE. I don't care about characters in any video game but hese are so bad it bothers me. Butt Volition will do what all developers do. They will blame the fans. AGAIN.
People who said "the new Saints look like they hang out at Starbucks and complain about their student loans" when the game was first revealed are going to have an absolute field day because they were completely right.
Yeah this hurt because I wanted so bad for this game to be good. I know silly and stupid can make for good comedy but from what I’ve seen so far this isn’t the case
As someone who works at Starbucks, if some plucky British hipster made that "AF" joke in my lobby, I would -put a bread knife through their fucking eye- ask them to leave. I feel like I lost a part of myself just listening to that garbage.
In the first game, the Saints were formed by Julius after watching his city being torn apart by gang violence, and watching his best friend become no better than the gang-bangers they were fighting against. In this game, the Saints are formed because... the founders didn't like student debt and middle managers. What an embarrassment.
You forget how bad that game was. In sr2 the saints are reformed because the protagonists want to be rich and they like killing people. If this game decided to be a gritty crime drama like sr1 itd be just as shitty as this, but in a completely different way because itd still be written by complete fucking hacks.
@@xdearlifex what the fuck are you talking about saints row 2, the saints reformed because the boss. Wanted revenge for those that blew the boss up, and bring the saints back to owning the row which was taken over by a corporation. It wasn't about getting rich until after they took over the corporation.
@@xdearlifex Saints Rows 1 & 2 are miles better than the garbage released afterwards. the Saints in 2 were reformed because Stilwater regressed to the point it was in the original game and as a response to Ultor gentrifying the city
It's even worse. They formed the Saints because... they just felt like it. You get fired from your job so you decide to become a gangster. But they talk as if they're not gangsters but saviors because your crew only turn against their gangs because, shocking, those gangs are full of criminals. it's just a circle jerk of bullshit.
Imagine how much better this game could've been, if during the gangs naming scene, when they are standing around in the church; all of a sudden, a fucking portal opens (kinda like terminator style) killing the new cast in entirety and out pops Gat, Shaundi, Pierce, Kinzie and the Boss and the first thing we hear is the Boss saying "Where the fuck are we Kinzie?" That's the kinda shit you'd expect from a Saints Row game.
"I think we just killed ourselves." "What? They don't look anything like us." "Well, let's hop over to a place near here and find out what these 'saints' are like." Cue the game being about the original cast taking on and taking out the 'new' cast who are just disappointing and slowly ramping up the intensity of the world as you go. Complete with an in story 'old world is bleeding over the more we interfere here' explanation for that.
I love living in an age where everything I used to love is dug up out of a grave and forced to exist for the sake of corporate greed and lack of original thought in the larger industry
What's funny is if companies wanted shite to actually make money, they should spend as much money possible hiring og writers. Also researching what fans want, but alas every company wants to make stuff for "modern audiences, or want to capture a new audience. It did work for gta to be fair. Gta 5 said piss off to old fans of single player stories to chase online but that won't work for everyone.
@@necromachia2131 I think part of the issue is the widespread pervasive censorship online creates countless leftist echo chambers, which corporations/marketers/execs then start to take as representative of the much quieter majority - when in reality the subhuman IQs on Twitter only represent a fraction of extremist nutjobs. OFC it's not just that. There's also deeper roots pushing this garbage from behind; ESG scores, Blackrock funding, etc.
I mean yeah, credit where credit is due, the reveal for the game sent us all a clear message: "This game is gonna be really bad, we haven't listened to you guys for over 10 years, we're not starting now". And indeed, they delivered on that message.
@@GeteMachine I'm sure, but it's quite troubling when it's not made for me, nor anyone else. They've made a product that manages to have no real target audience.
@@GeteMachine "We're digging up the corpse of an old IP to cash in on brand name recognition and nostalgia. And we're going to make it everything potential buying customers hate". I'm not sure what business or marketing school they attended, but I hope the loan was small.
@@theportugueselegend It was made to please the woke crowd, it is well known more women playing video games than men and more women willing to play games than men, they have bigger buying power. They made this video game for women and for the woke. What they don't know or care is those games those women and woke people play are just there to switch off their brain, most of those games are touching simulator on phone. The main gameplay is you see something on the screen of your stupid phone and you touching it, you doing this for few hour and it's time to eat the diner and go to bed. It was probably some suit read the statistic and decided they gonna make a game for the bigger consumer group, they didn't understand the game they make is not something what that bigger consumer group play. Because the bigger consumer group doesn't play games, they just using products.
Thanks for hating on 4 and gat out of hell so we got this pos. Some people just don't know what could happen. It's not always going to be like the Sonic movie.
@@ddsjgvk lets not pretend like 4 didn't suck and shouldn't have happened, but at least 4 had characters we liked and okay gameplay for the time, but it wasn't great just because this game is terrible.
@@ddsjgvk It's pretty fucking good, yeah. I actually like Saints Row 4 but I will not pretend that it wasn't a confused, mechanically inconsistent mess held up by some pretty entertaining characters and missions.
"How lame is **capitalism** right? How dope is it to have a buff shirtless DJ dude with a waffle tattoo? Now what if I told you we're combining BOTH into ONE CHARACTER?!" ...kay
To be fair, a lot of triple-A games utilize this kind of aesthetic now (Watch Dogs franchise, Rider's Republic, the upcoming Dead Island 2, The Recent Far Cry Games, LOTS of Battle Royale Games & Multiplayer shooters like Super People, Hyenas, etc.) and honestly, it's getting old.
This was expected. The writing sounded terrible in every single preview. The narrative sounded so lame and so unrealistic. No surprise here. Its like the writers gave themselves a challenge of who among themselves can write the most lifeless characters and they picked that story
thats how its always been tho? Saints row was always just "GTA but with more cringe humour". The whole point of the series is to be a cringe GTA clone xD
Saints row 2022 : "CaN wE TaKE A hyBrId? yOUr caRbON foOtPrINt alWaYS maTTeRs" GTA 4: "After you walk into a village and you see 50 children, all sitting neatly in a row, against a church wall, each with their throats cut and their hands chopped off, you realize that the creature that could do this doesn't have a soul."
@@gamerinatrance3618 but then, why even play as that character? That's very much counter intuitive with the very fact you basically bare with them for the whole game It's like living with the roommate you hated
They love themselves. They only know how to write themselves. The nasty, unpleasant characters are them. They believe they are morally superior to us, so their characters also come off as sanctimonious and annoying, who only really exist to push "the message." Just like them.
"Nasty and unpleasant" is ironically what a gangster character would be like, mean, abrasive and quick to anger. These new characters are actually way too kind, friendly and polite, that's not gangster! You can make a intimidating a$$ hole likable, Trevor Phillips is a meth addicted maniac who murders almost anyone who crosses him, while disrespecting Ron and Wade. Scarface murders his own best friend for sleeping with his sister in front of her too, while she cries and he calls his own wife a junkie. Heisenberg poisoned a child with ricen, just to get Jesse to help him kill Gus, he orders a hit on several prisoners just to keep his 20% of the profits when he is already a millionaire. Literally the greatest gangster characters ever are the most ruthlessly evil psychopaths imaginable, but that's what makes them so badass and scary. You'd hate to meet these villains in real life, but they're fascinating to watch. Most crime protagonists start off innocent, but eventually lose all morals. I'm not picking on you btw, I know you meant unlikable characters who don't fit the mould, I really miss when crime games were actually believable and gritty, GTA 4 is my favourite for these exact reasons (Vlad, Dimitri and Playbox X)
Remember when the Twitter account was telling people "No game has been rebooted like this before". Well they were partly right I guess, I can't think of another series that has gotten a full reboot that missed the mark this much. EDIT : The subtitles of the Middle Managers speech do not match the spoken dialogue. Lord.
@@0uttaS1TE dmc was at least fun and had good gameplay and a great industrial metal soundtrack. And I am aware it was edgy as hell. So is every dmc game
Same for movies and shows... Look at Star Wars or the M-She-U or WB and their D-She-U or how MGM killed James Bond or Amazon's shit LOTR show or house of dragons and half the dogshit on Netflix....
I knew this was going to be bad when the developers started saying they wanted to move away from the previous games wacky, edgy, and over the top humor, and wanted to appeal to ‘modern day,’ sensibilities. That assumption was confirmed when the first mission had supposedly hardened criminals fretting over student loans.
You could make that work as a joke, it's entirely dependant on execution. With tall, burly, gigachad looking thugs, for the sake of juxtaposition, that would be significantly funnier than with the main characters.
The main characters of this game feel like they’d just be fodder for the first 10 minutes of the first mission, where halfway through that mission Johnny Gat guns them down from behind, say something badass- “damn copycats! Down in Hell with the rest of them now”- and then you play as Johnny Gat to free the REAL main character out of prison or something.
I actually hoped something like that would happen, the cast is so bad and unlikeable it just made sense for something like that. Of course it wouldn't make sense from a marketing standpoint, people aren't gonna buy the game with the terrible characters in the first place, so they wouldn't get to experience the swerve. The only way people would then find out about it is through word or mouth and then the surprise in game is ruined for you. Maybe if we're lucky enough to get a new Saints Row game they can fix this mess and they'll bring back the old crew and make fun of the characters they created here, but I doubt it, if they make a new game they'll double down. Other than the SR2 fix, we'll probably never see another SR game in the future.
I was going to comment on how nice it is that we gamers can finally see through terrible marketing... then I remembered how hyped everyone was for Battlefield 2042 after one fake glossy trailer lol. We'll get there some day! At least both of these examples have gotten horrible reviews.
The best part about this affair is how Volition treated fans of the series when they voiced their complaints. It was all valid. Every bit of it. Volition just refused to listen and decided that making fun of the old fans was a more profitable venture.
Yep they just doubled down, instead of looking at what they had and the very valid criticism they just said "don't like it don't buy it" because that's worked out so well for all the other companies the past few years
All part of the “broader audience”. They throw in a few loser characters that look like college freshman’s and act like “hey guys, it’s so relatable right?! Hahaha millennials and Gen Z is sooooo cool amirite?!?” And then they shit on the older fans. You have a franchise in the first place because of the older fans. Why does every single game always need to appeal to a “broader audience”? I just don’t get it. Now you have no audience.
But why. Why nearly every western entertainment thinks having public beef and insulting old fans translate to sales. What figures are they looking at because this has not paid off, unless it is deliberate to get tax write offs and keep more money, like those bad video game movies which used a tax loophole
@@chrisq6122 the funny thing is, it would more likely have attracted new people with its older formula because how much better and in a way unique it once was.
They had like over a year to pause and reflect on the universal backlash they received, and instead of taking it on the chin and going back to the drawing board, they doubled down on a product nobody wanted or asked for. I can totally respect sticking to one's guns when pursuing an artistic vision, but nothing about this game's look felt like it emerged from anything other than a out-of-touch corporate board room.
not how this works. you can't just entirely redesign an entire game. i mean you can, but people will buy it anyways so why even bother. even shitty games come up on top in the end. this consumer group gobbles up even the shittiest crumbs they're served.
@@physical_insanity Delayed and going back to the drawing board are 2 very different things. A year isn’t enough time and they already used a good amount of money on this current version so there’s no way their funding would allow them to let that go to waste.
@@physical_insanity true, but unfortunately it's just not how these companies operate. I think one main reason for that is the one I mentioned. this consumer group is easily the most idiotic ever. no matter how much you fuck up, drop a new trailer and everyone will be hypey hypey again. they will even pre-order again. it's ridiculous. i categorically stopped buying ubisoft games about 10 years ago because I just got sick of their mediocrity. if more gamers did that, we would have much better games. that said, I think this series just has generally overstayed its welcome by a large margin.
@@themightypotato3857 I know, and I agree with your points. I just wanted to quote the cool Nintendo guy. People need to stop enabling this kind of behaviour, but that won't happen so long as zoomers and millennials keep existing.
The writing of this game is an example of post-ironic media. The writers can't tell the difference between ironic comedy and geniune storytelling so we get one in place of the other when we least want it.
The Saints Row reboot did achieve something positive for me, it made appreciate SR 3&4 and replay SR2. Back when Volition still had balls, enthusiasm and creativity.
@@MorrisseyMuse Saints Row 3, 4 and gat out of hell was okay single player games but amazing co-op games. I don't think I've had as much fun in any other games than playing co-op in those goofy/ridiculous games.
Making the characters have these common world problems like family having chemotherapy, student loans, rent problems, etc but also nonchalantly murder people like Borderlands just doesn't work, it's something 10 year old me would write for badass characters. Making the writing catered to redditors that browse r/tumblr but also failing miserably is quite an achievement, making the writing so aggressively bad that it's not entertaining/funny like The Room, just amazing.
Honestly makes it worse. Because making characters that are "relateable" in a game centered around gang violence and over the top action really deflates the normal problems. Its very much trying to have your cake and eat it too.
@tyler775 I feel like it could actually work, from what I saw in the review there is just the balance missing. With the old gang, especially in Saints Row 2 which is my favorite, you had this more rather harmless and quirky characters like Pierce and Shaundi which are by no stretch of immagination what you would consider hardened gangsters, but you also had the Boss and Gat, who were this actual natural born killer psychopaths, who were kept in check and held back from becoming monsters because they cared about their friends. The Boss and Gat where what made the gang this unstoppable force of nature that could take out any other gang in town while the others brought in their own set of skills and more importantly, kept them human.
Whoa, you should apologize to The Room. It is at least entertaining and fun to watch, especially with a group that is into it. It is so bad it is good. Saints Row doesn't look like it even has that going for it. It is just bad bad.
I can’t believe how many people didn’t expect exactly this, painfully obviously since first reveal. Not to mention how the devs lashed out to what everyone was saying
devs on twitter: "haters gonna hate" Yes we are. :D You could've just remastered the first two games and made some easy money, instead you wasted development on a game that looks like it was in development on PS3 and then cancelled when it was almost done due to it being so bad and then decided to just finish it with some remastered textures and pretend it's all new "totally made recently gaiz". This game seriously doesn't look much better at all from the previous games, which were all made on 360 era hardware. We're on PS5 and Xbox Series now. Two generations away from that. It's just another Crackdown 3.
Or they could’ve made a good game. Stop asking for fuckin remasters, they aren’t needed. Go play the old version if you want nostalgia. We have enough remakes in Hollywood, it’s not necessary in the gaming world.
@@Lion-O-Richie2040 In all fairness. Saints Row 2 is almost impossible to play outside of an Xbox. PC and PS3 port is broken and only 2 people are working on the PC patch with no budget.
They wrote a story for the cosmopolitan, city dwelling, college age crowd who couldn't give less of a shit about games like this and designed a game from 2009. Bravo, Deep Silver, bravo.
This was easily the most “who cares?” game I’ve witnessed in a long time. Have yet to speak with anyone who was excited for this one, let alone anyone else who was even aware that Saints Row was getting rebooted.
whole game is just one giant "who asked" for saints row community, they could've go back from 3 and says all event in 4 is just one big movie. But nah lets make it woke as hell
Been far too long since we’ve seen Skill Up tear into a game. No one wants a game to be bad, but I must admit the title of this video alone got me excited 😆
This is the same clown who wasn't complaining about cyberpunk bugs. These reviewers are the same idiots who gave watchdogs 2 a low score on release date and then several years later called it a hidden gem lol. Ignore these fools and try the game yourself.
The insurance scam minigame was also in SR2, and was also essentially the same just at different intersections. But that was also 14 years ago, so in 14 years they couldn't do anything more with it?
Well in Saints 1 is pretty clear that Julius wants to put and end to the street violence that is destroying the Row, then it's decided that they want to fight fire with fire.
And in Gat the cars exploded so even that part isn’t new. That they haven’t been able to come up with new ideas is dumb. But the mini game isn’t the issue, he said that you had to do them in a row to complete something to progress. Mini games should only ever be in a story one time to introduce them and never required again. If even that.
And unfortunately when this sells terribly and gets made fun of by the community they'll take it at face value and never touch the Saints Row series again... They should have just made a sequel with the old characters instead of this soulless clone.
No they shouldnt have made a sequel with the old characters because if THIS is what theyre capable of producing then im glad the third street saints arent involved. The only thing that could be worse than this dumpster fire is if this dumpster fire happened to Gat, Shaundi, Pierce, and the Boss. The ACTUAL Boss, and the ACTUAL saints. They dont deserve this.
@@ninjafrog6966 There are only two saints row games, the rest are just jokes that were amusing at the time but not anymore. Honestly it should just stay dead
What they SHOULD have done is at least capture the soul of low level street gangs, dark humor, edginess, ultra violence and all. Hell gta being neutered as fck people are craving that sort of thing, also 6 won't come out till 2030 probably. They already know every og fan prefer sr1/2.
Everyone knew this will be the fate of the Saints when the trailers dropped. My condolences for having to go through all that garbage, just to verify what we already knew. RIP Saints franchise.
RIP game industry. Wokeness and this shitty millennium "problems" will destroy the entire game industry. This is just the beginning, from now on, most games will be like this. With very few exceptions.
This is going to be a sign of what Rockstar is going to do with GTA6, but maybe to a lesser extent. It looks like most folks are getting tired of this BS, so maybe they have time to reverse course and learn from this game.
@@PadaV4 that’s a load of bullshit. Everyone who says that they “hate their fans” always uses examples of people being pricks to them and them hitting back lmao
@@SOBEKCrocodileGod When devs throw away everything that made previous titles amazing and shit all over the fans that want those same things to be included in future games, they hate their fans. Actually, we would be former fans now.
Doesnt surprise me. I can overlook certain gameplay elements that aren't flushed out or don't mess, but dialogue/poorly written script kills it for me.
@@cowmath77 You must have not played any of the previous games bc they were extremely adult oriented in both dialogue and narrative. Hell this game just dumbed down what was already a franchise considered to be a dumbed down GTA clone. The writing and characters were what kept the franchise alive all these years. No one went into saints row expecting an oscar winning story we are here for the characters and the gameplay.
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a game try to be so progressive and millennial that it consumed itself and became outdated before ever in date. Saints Row is dead.
Yeah, this game is essentially going to be a relic of its time. We're going to look back and be like, "hey remember when video games and comic books became overly progressive, and it spelled their doom?" Those were fun times.
Hell, becoming more Gen Z isn’t inherently a bad thing. Problem is when 50 year old disconnected devs and writers try to emulate how gen z thinks and acts
@@InvestedGman Serious? You sprayed sewage on houses. You moved hookers around in busses. And WOW was the PC port terrible. Like, really terrible. There was an entire series of activities you couldn't complete because the game ran so poorly. Every time you drove over the bridge from downtown to the Saints HQ (a gate where it loaded content) the entire game would pause for a second, but it kept calculating your movement, so you got teleported thru the bridge. Its seriousness came from the fact that it DID give your insane actions consequences. Which always felt kinda...at odds with the rest of the over the top it was trying to present.
@@Qardo It’s a common misconception, but Saints Row 2 in its original form was hardly a bugged mess. Sure, it wasn’t perfect, but nothing tragic. By “original form” I meant that SR2 was initially released on XB360 and PS3. Most of the biggest technical problems are prevalent on a PC release which is a sloppy console port.
This is an issue in todays age. So many companies want to use existing IPs and then do whatever they want with them. If they aren't making it for the fans, then who are they even making it for?
@@csam9167 For the "Border audience." And to be "more inclusive." Problem is, many of the people they're trying to reach would never want to play these games to start with.
@@googleisevil8958 no i mean. The developper in their weird incestuous agenda fill vision. Make game that only are interesting for them... like some private joke fueled by hundred of thousand of dollar
@@googleisevil8958 Exactly what I'm saying. Game was made by people that don't play or like video games and targeted towards people that don't play or like video games. Just a bunch of rich entitled whiny twitter no-lifers wanting to complain about random crap through a game for some reason.
Damn I've played each Saints Row game and seeing this installment go down bad after a whole decade of wait really hurt me a lot. Glad I didn't pre order it.
I knew this was going to be a train wreck from just how little the new devs understood the source material. You cant replace over the top gangstas with coffee swilling ESG approved hipsters and expect no one to raise an eyebrow.
This comment actually got me thinking about an aspect of game-design that's been on my mind recently: I've thought about the inevitable point where devs who are making games in 10 years don't have the experience, appreciation or knowledge of games from the 2000s or the 90s. I pinpoint this time-frame because it is prime nostalgia juice for gamers of today. And I worry about this because what happens when the devs who are adapting this source material think watching a RU-vid let's play, or just playing the first level or two, of an old game is enough to understand the "essence" of it and they can just go ahead and adapt it. The failure of the KOTOR Remake is evident of this I think. It smacks of arrogant devs mistreating the technical achievements of an older game and its legacy. By contrast, the recent Command and Conquer remasters were handled by the OG devs who actually acknowledged that they had not played those games since they made them in the 90s. So they worked with community custodians who had been modding and playing the games since their release, and subsequently understood the source code of the games better than the OG devs themselves. Saints' Row reeks of the former's kind of arrogance. They should've acknowledged what made the series distinct in the first place and tried to retain those core fundamentals.
@@franciscomatos9968 "Environmental, Social, and (Corporate) Governance." In essence, it's a woke corporate philosophy that the goal of a business is not to maximize shareholder wealth, but rather to promote social causes and "a better tomorrow." So who cares if the game sells like garbage? Who cares if we alienate our core fanbase who has been with us for 16 YEARS? Who cares if we run this franchise into the ground? It's all worth it if we can promote THE MESSAGE and highlight diversity, inclusion, and equity. And... that gets you rubbish like this game.
@@Ingel_Riday6690 +1 for "THE MESSAGE" reference. I'm sure the devs are thrilled anyway, we're smashing Capitalism by not buying their garbage product!
Wow, I am strangely impressed by the fact that someone got paid to write dialogue so bad that it makes the Boarderlands games seem witty and erudite. You are a fucking trooper for sticking it out to the jaw-dropping end.
Having political themes in games in fine and in a lot of cases can make it better, but when you have shit writing it just makes it all awful and cringey
We told them the game that we wanted years ago. We warned them with the first teaser that this was not it. We warned them to change direction. They did not listen, and they never do. We keep telling Volition what we want, and they never listen. This is the result. You deserve this, Volition. You deserve this.
This wouldn't have cracked the top 5 best games of the year in 2010. Edit: I picked a number and year at random, but commenters have convinced me it would, in fact, not have cracked the top 20 for that year lol
Let’s see, 2010 has...Mass Effect 2, Starcraft 2, Bayonetta, Civilization V, Red Dead Redemption, and Halo Reach. I would argue that all of those are really good games even in 2022.
@@TJRex01 + NieR, GoW 3, Bioshock 2, New Vegas, Alan Wake, Heavy Rain, Limbo, AC Brotherhood, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Super Meat Boy, Darksiders, Mafia 2, Vanquish, Metro 2033, Amnesia, Black Ops, Bad Company 2, Demon's Souls, Dragon Quest 9, Pokemon Heart Gold, Birth by Sleep, Darksiders, Deadly Premonition, Warband, Xenoblade Chronicles ... and I'm sure there's still a few great games to be mentioned for 2010.
@AnAbsoluteLad Exactly what I was gonna say... The original SR games would have used that line as a setup for that punchline, not some weird attempt at a heartfelt moment.
Genuinely shocks me that we went from SR3 and SR4 which had hilarious cutscenes and dialogue (singing in the car with Shaundi, cure cancer or solve world hunger in the first 5 minutes) to… this.
i've never played 1 and 2, but I played 3 a lot back in the day, I did something like 99% on it. It had funny characters and everything was so wacky. The bdsm dude that speaks with autotoune is something that I think until today lol
First agents of mayhem now this, they keep being so close to bankruptcy and have the balls to say '' didn't you guys want saints row why don't you buy? Its your fault if the franchise dies ''
Me: Yea and it'll be YOUR fault when your studio is liquidated because you morons are utterly incompetent and have no clue what your fans want, but for whatever reason you somehow think you're smarter than everyone else. Fuck Volition, they chose this hill to die on and I definitely do hope they perish on it. Every studio that behaves the way they do has absolutely no business making video games.
The writing was on the wall with this one. Although I fully expected it to be cringy, zoomer-humor, and a further departure from the original Saints Row games but wow...they managed to be even lower then my lowest expectations. That's a borderline skill.
@@Time-LG Huh, I didn't realize being a bug-filled, humorless, shitty, cringe-fest was a "huge return to form" I mean I don't recall that being the case in Saints Row 2 but clearly I missed something.
I love how SR2 is serious when it needs to be and goofy at the right time. They handled serious situation really well, Like when Carlos has to be killed or when Aisha dies and the graveyard scene. All the reviews i seen I’m guessing there isn’t any of that in the reboot.
Saints row 2 really did set an impossible standard for the rest of the games, that was by far the best boss a perfect mix of hilarious and psychotic. I’ve been wanting that since, And the graveyard scene fantastic.
And I'll add this. Even in 3 or 4, when they *did* go for this type of stupid scene or unexpected characterization, it was played for its absurdity as it should. Take most moments with Kinzie, for example: an ex-FBI agent that, at the most basic level, would be completely out of place in a gang, but they riffed off her most absurd/out-there parts such as the conspiracy theories, her paranoia, or her misanthropy. And then in Agents of Mayhem they made her a younger hacker fan of S&M. Even if you didn't like her very much, she was just a side character played for laughs you could readily ignore. Heck, in AoM she even was just DLC. Meanwhile, in this reboot, we seem to get a full main gang of AoM Kinzies without the FBI past, the S&M quips, the paranoia, or anything remotely absurd or out-there. Just young, hipster and dumb. No wonder it doesn't gel. As someone said in another comment, this game seems to try to sound edgy, but it couldn't cut butter with the writing we're seeing.
@@remy7156 Yeah, can't stand how they turned the boss into a gigantic pussy for cheap laughs in SR3, the boss in SR2 was fucking ruthless and psychotic
@@ironwolf56 Actually Twitter users berated Volition for their stupid indie hipster gang, and Volition said those people were toxic and not real saints row fans. Lol
@@robosergTV The normal argument isn't really that they're bad. There's bugs and weird issues, but the big issue is normally that they're formulaic and predictable while being stuffed with monetization (sometimes to the detriment of gameplay - by design). I personally love Far Cry 6 but it's not reinventing the wheel. But it was a helluva lot more interesting than this looks, even with the zoomer guerilla characters
The majority of modern ubisoft games are shit. They might run well and mostly bug free but that's all they do well. Every one of their modern games feels the same, just some boring open world bullshit with the same mechanics but with a new coat of paint to try and hide that is basically all they have made for the last few years
Less intelligent/creative developers, poor writing, (every character has the personality of a cardboard box just to not offend any group) every game being a vehicle for whatever twitter politics is hot at the moment... It's not just games, it's television and movies as well. Saves me a lot of money when I can just play SR1 or SR2 and get a way better experience than paying for this overpriced cash grab. It's the same reason, from the scenes that have been leaked for Rings of Power, that I won't be watching or spending anything to see it when I can just watch Peter Jackson's LOTR and have a way better experience because the cinematography and writing doesn't feel like it was done by a bunch of unpaid college interns.
So the writers know literally nothing about anything and yet still insist on the idea that they’re the smartest and most moral among the population, and even the technical side of the game is laughably bad? Yea, that sounds about right.
Pretty sad how you went from cautious optimism a mere four weeks ago (“Saints Row is looking … okay, I guess?”) to “Saints Row is terrible” once you had the final product in hand. Makes me wonder wtf Volition spent their time doing. This is truly the end for the Saints Row franchise, there’s no bouncing back from a terrible spin off (Agents of Mayhem) followed by a terrible “reboot”. Rest In Peace, Saints Row and Volition.
@@Arendvdvenk Its still buggy though, i've been playing it on PS5 and it has a missions that completely broken and crashes the game when you have the Male British voice, you actually have to change it to another voice if you want to get through this main story missions lol.
The part about the characters sounds like we deal with self-inserts. I have dealt a bit with the socially concerned student with a gimmick types and the mix of needy, but also super awesome and really want to make the world better but also strangely hateful towards everything around them that is not part of their sphere... that's pretty much right. It is probably the least diverse team I have seen in a long time.
110% This! I watched the Dev Presentation when they revealed this game...& this is the worst creative self-insertion i've ever seen. I watched the presentation saying "Wait...did the devs put themselves in the game?!" It's so bad, i can't believe the studio didn't say something. The characters are completely out of place for this game, and given most all of the devs are Millenials & Gen Z its no surprise the writing is cringe. Studios have been hiring young people with little to no writing credits for some reason.
Volition said the previous games lacked diverse characters...And then answers their criticism with the most cookie-cutter awkward college kids we've seen so many times before at this point. Wow. Real diverse.
Unfortunately “diversity” only goes as far as skin colour and sexual preference in media atm. Diversity in characters motivations, backstory and other things that make a character interesting are non-existent at present which is a shame.
Absolutely even the background like "oh we all got our liberal arts degrees because our middle class parents helped but we hate our parents and people like them. Down with the man!"
@@Xxanderz The point of a review is using your own judgement from what you see and hear and making a decision on whether the game is worth your time and money. Multiple viewpoints help with this to get a better idea.
Kinda hard to tell what reviewers are to be trusted when so many said they played cyberpunk before release and it ran really good and was fun…..then turned out to be a unplayable mess specially for consoles that were apparently “reviewed” on.
El Chapo *Kills an unnarmed civilian in front of his family to take their land and employ the deacease's family on it" El Chapo: "Money fight !! Hahaha wohoooo"
It hurts me that I just completely ignored the spoiler warning partway through. Not because I was spoiled, but because I cared so little about being spoiled. Saints Row have never been narrative masterpieces but it pains me how low my interest in this has become. SR2 & 3 coop are some of those classic gaming memories, like a lot of coop 360 games.
Me and my late cousin played through 3 several times. So the franchise has for me been a remembrance and to see how they care about the franchise is terrible.
Shame they ruined even that... some update they pushed through some time ago basically made coop crash near-constantly in SR2, 3, and 4. Probably Gat out of Hell too, but at that point my friends didn't even try with coop.
I was the same way. I knew I was going to be a year at least til I pick it up on Steam, but right now I'm trying to remember what the spoiler was, or if it matters. Maybe that's overselling Skillup's warning but I think it's because there's no big surprise. It's just a way to dispose of a character.
The tone of these clips vaguely reminds me of the recent Star Wars movies, and I can't quite put my finger on why. I think modern pop writing is more a series of references than a complete, self-contained work. I played SR3-4 and loved them, and this is heatbreaking, but very fair and well-reviewed.
Saints row 3 and 4 looks like a faithful saints game then this side by side. At least those 2 still had old characters with at least some substance in its writing. Hell even 4s story was not bad just rather odd.
@@tanork47 The issue with SR4 is that it was basically a superhero game, rather than an over-the-top action game. I think even SR3 went too far in that aspect, I liked SR2 better, but once you can fly or leap skyscrapers it just kind of feels too removed.
I fell in love with Saints Row 1. Then Saints Row 2 was the perfect sequel. Saints Row 3 was very different, but still good. Then Saints Row 4 was a completely different game, but I still saw the appeal, especially if you didn't play the first two... So of coarse I bought this game on release day to give the series another chance.... Wow, was I disappointed. The bugs made it nearly unplayable, especially in coop. Also, If you played 1 and 2 you know how funny it is when you stand near an intersection and just watch the peds for a while. within minutes you would see a gang fight break out and some dude with a baseball bat trying to take on the entire police force... In this new Saint Row, all you see are floating pedestrians and gang members shooting you because you drove too close. I think if this was released 10 years ago, it would still be considered a mediocre game at best.
“I wasn’t expecting something so aggressively bad”… did you not see the story was about the chess club resorting to crime and murder just to pay off student loan debt and pay rent? So happy I didn’t buy this game, R.I.P saints row
The story never made sense. It's basically like - hey, we have some student loans, let's build a massive criminal empire that makes hundreds of Millions of Dollars while killing every cop in the city.
When he said "money fight", my eyes glazed over... In all seriousness, I knew the story would be cringe, but I was at least hoping the gameplay would be good. Damn...
I'd think even zoomer babs would know better than to throw wads of cash, which might I remind, doesn't just splatter like that from an intact bundle. Instead, it'd be a bit like being hit with a midsize paperback book. Not fun.
Well this explains why they went EGS exclusive. They didn't have confidence in the game being good enough to sell well so they took the exclusivity deal to guarantee enough money to make up for the lack of sales. Then they have a year to make it good enough for a Steam release where there's actual paying customers.
The moment they said it was gonna be a reboot, i knew everything was going to be just like this And now im really just laughing my ass off at Volition for failing so miserably, from the horrible and glitchy gameplay to the trash characters we dont give a fuck about
@@davidstockman1456 It is probably the ONLY next gen level game out. I cant think of anything that shows off the horsepower quite like it. That being said, its a fuckin ps3 game lol
As a huge Saints Row fan, I was hoping all my complaints from the first trailer were wrong and I could eat my words... Instead, it was worse than I thought. 🤦
I like how for a reboot they took copy-pasted so much from the old games (notably 3/4) like the same gun design, shooting mechanics, driving mechanics, clothing system, physics ect
@@sheshin they will the few people in the company working on it have been doing it in their spare time so i doubt the company shutting down would affect it apart from it taking longer to get done
@@WillPaskee dude there's people all over the world that did an honest days work and weren't openly hostile towards their consumers and they got laid off. Why aren't you feeling bad for those people? because they aren't a game studio?
That's what I don't like about checkpoint saving. Sometimes it locks you into a broken save and you can't go back because all save are continuously overwritten. This is why I prefer games with both quicksaves and manual saves.
I think I'm just most sad about the ensemble being mostly subpar, even as a kid who probably shouldn't have been playing Saints Row games, I was always really attached to characters like Gat, Shaundi, and the Boss you create. Even Kinzie who matches this gang a bit more had much more personality, and she was a side character in her first game.
This comment made me realize that Saints Row games have done the tech savvy gang member character three times. Saints Row had Dex Saints Row 3 had Kenzie Saints Row 4 had Matt (if you want to include) So...why do it a FOURTH time when the previous three gave you mixed results at best?
I'm late to the party here, but this game is so bad, it nearly bricked my friend's PS4. It crashed so hard 3 times in a row that it actually caused the system to boot in safe mode, which is bad. Thankfully, it's okay, but holy crap man, what a technical mess.
The biggest problem I saw was frame rate. My buddy said they were running below 20 FPS most of the game on base PS4. Basically unplayable at certain moments.
@@CssHDmonster it was more people just admitting they wanted the gameplay experience of a mid gen ps3 game. Using the fact they have no expectations as a positive, like something to be proud enough to comment.
hopefully reviewers and some guy ranting and then going on some culture war nonsense to complain about agenda while pushing their own agenda hypocrite all of them
My expectations were low, but they manage to go lower. I already knew the characters would be boring, the story a mess, the gameplay generic, but the amount of bugs surprised me.
The writing in this game reminds me a lot like the writing in Watch Dogs 2. Just a bunch of 40-somethings trying to both satirize and relate to the 20-somethings who make up the cast of their games without actually understanding them at all. The funniest part of all of that is that the original Saint's Row games literally made fun of this concept several times.
