Sakaguchi & Yoshi P On the Future of JRPG's & FF6's Influence on Fantasian Neo Dimension 

@@adamshalashaska5698 did you forget that he was the one who did The Spirits Within?

lol ya that’s a fact but he’s still the architect of the greatest run in gaming history as well as legitimizing the gaming medium to a western market that wanted nothing to do with story games. Spirits within wasn’t a game. He didn’t fail in his medium. He gambled and lost. The irony is square never recovered. His stories had soul. Plot twists. Death of Aerith was symbolic of him losing his mom and trying to cope with it through his art.

@@EugeneKurlikin exactly, each game after sakaguchi left was slop compared to what came before

@@VandalHeart26 They’d have to join Monolithsoft.

NO. DO NOT LET THEM TOUCH TORIYAMA'S CONTENT EVER AGAIN.

A Lost Odyssey PC release would be an instant buy for me

@@FF8IrvineFan_ plenty of artists use toriamas style as inspiration.

@@Kelvryn Irrelevant. Blue Dragon IS done by Toriyama. THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TOUCH HIS STUFF EVER AGAIN.

I still think Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within was a great movie. It was certainly different, but all the Final Fantasies are separate from each other.

He clashed with the guy that got hired off the street to run the company, yoichi wada. Sakaguchi was vehemently against recycling content to make sequels. The idea of SE making a three part ff7 remake is completely against his ideology.

@@Morraak I loved it too. I was a kid and a huge stan for it. But it lost them money I guess and was integral in his ousting. Not saying it's fair.

@@alanlee67 Good point. I think he also hated the concept of FFX-2 BUTTT he still worked on it, so there's that. I respect Sakaguchi a lot. I played Fantasian already and can't wait to play it again with the improvements.

Xenogears

Glad to see someone else that gets it.

Agreed

@@coreymckee4844 at least give us a spin off series, right?? SNES or PS1 style would be amazing!

No!. NO MORE DEMAKES. They CANNOT be trusted with them anymore.

Disagreed completely. I wish for complete titles is all. FF7 Rebirth was amazing

NO. NO MORE DEMAKES. THEY CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH THEM ANYMORE.

Please! Let this man make another MMO as well!

Could save square if he’s back

@@Butterfliesandzebras "Back to the Crystals..."

The series will likely die before then. They keep refusing to make FF games. They just keep making trash tier reskins of OTHER games and calling it FF. The last several games have flopped HARD.They will not survive another one.

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@Shifft-This yeah i think at this point jrpg is a genre that has nothing to do with nationality just like crpg has nothing to do with computers. Its a term thats outlived its original connotations but not its usefulness.

it's why I find the nex Street Fighter so oddly looking. They parted ways with their Japanese design and aimed for a more Western one.

Got 16 on PS5, no Japanese subtitles. I’ll never buy a Square game on PS again.

I can speak Japanese and I play the FF games in English. The characters don't look Japanese (blonde etc), the settings aren't Japanese. The English VA is just as good imo. I also play KH in English, because Disney etc.

@@SILVERONIN Honestly I agree. I hope he continues to make the games he wants. We would all benefit from it.

He could really save square enix just like he did in the past. Imagine him getting a aaa budget to make an actual good traditional final fantasy game again. Non of the nomura crap.

@@adamshalashaska5698 you guys didn’t play his games once he left SE, so what makes you suddenly want to play them if he works for SE? Lol. He was making top class games once he left SE and nobody cared.

there was FF6 footage ; it's good he tossed some of different games in there imo. Makes the video more dynamic and visually pleasing (not that I don't like the visuals of FF6)

Unfortunately I don’t have much footage of VI, but I wanted to use footage of VII Rebirth to punctuate the talk about voice work (specifically pointing out Cody Christian as Cloud), and I used footage of FFX for the general JRPG talk.

@@armorvil There is only a few, but most of the video contains FF VII Rebirth and FFX footage. Since Hironobu Sakaguchi talks about FF6 influence Fantasian : Neo Dimension game, there should be more FF6 footage compared to the rest.

@@CuriousCorduroy I see. In that case, would you like the FF6 footage? I don't mind allowing you to use my FF6 Pixel Remaster footage on Twitch as long as you credit me. My twitch channel is in my profile.

8 was horrible. Rinoa Heartilly was a shitty character.

@@Kelvryn FF8 was the best FF for me. Rinoa was great

Many fans don't want and/or don't feel like playing them on PS5 though. Which is why Square Enix continues to fail. They can't stop being yanked on by the neck by Sony's dog leash.

The last story definitely.

@@kevinramirez3134 I wouldn't mind playing them on Switch as well, especially now that there's a new one coming up in the future

@@alanlee67 I never played that game to be honest. Just heard about it. But I loooved the other two

No idea who that is 🤷‍♂️

@@CuriousCorduroy tech youtuber, keep up the good videos.

@@Phemruto thank you!

The point I was trying to make is that 6 is peoples favorite for different reasons. For some it was their first FF or RPG and that’s why they love it, for others it wasn’t their first but it became their favorite. That’s why I used the Doctor Who example.

@CuriousCorduroy I think the point has more validity with 1 or 4 and 7-10 discussions. Just based on what I experienced when these games were released

Its more varied and complex than both the video and you give it credit. My first ff was mystic quest. It was awful and i decided rpgs were trash and didnt pick up another until ff13. I fell in love and went on a journey playing every single ff. 6 is now comfortably my favorite. We all come to these conclusions by different paths. Its not simple and its certainly not uniform.

@ChicCanyon you validated what I said ty for most ppl ff6 was not their first FF

@eddy5097 and yet i invalidated what you said as well. You cant predict how people got to where they are. Its unpredictable.

I would say SE is foolish and incompetent...maybe overly arrogant...but I don't think they are malicious. I hope this game can help them see the light.

@@coreymckee4844 agree with a lot of this

@@coreymckee4844 I agree, it should have been a spin-off.

Ff16 was amazing all of them are

To me it is

@@mike1989libra agree to disagree.

@@nuanceblacksywin4868 One thing.. What “exact criteria” does an rpg need to have to have that J moniker.. And, why is the J seemingly either frowned on or illegal to use in any other genre? For example J Fighter, J Horror, J Platformer, J Action Adventure etc You almost never see that.. Yoshi P made a statement about it last year if I’m not mistaken that it was discriminatory

@@Mintcar923 JRPGs aren't allowed to exist anymore. They must ALL be westernized until they are nothing but tasteless, bland, goopy slop with no identity. Now, quit trying to nitpick. Also Yoshi P is a moron. If I said "jawbreakers are offensive", that doesn't make them offensive.

@@Mintcar923 I wrote a long well thought out response to this... on my phone... and RU-vid ate it. So I'm going to try one more time from my PC this time. FOREWARNING THIS SHHT IS LONG. Before I begin, please remember that you'll never understand why a moniker or change was made in pop culture without either understanding its history or actually being there and present when it was happening. With that said, the "JRPG" moniker was created by gamers to assist them in setting expectations for the adventure they were about to embark on. My childhood was spent playing JRPG's like Final Fantasy (I really started around the time of 7), Legend of Legaia, Suikoden, Tales of Destiny 2, Star Ocean, and Legend of Dragoon and the differences between these games and "regular" RPG's of that time couldn't be more profound. Let's start at what I believe is the biggest glaring difference. When you play Final Fantasy VII you play as Cloud Strife. Cloud already has history and lore in the game world. He's a Soldier, trained by Shinra and former childhood friend of Tifa. This character already existed in this story before I took control of him. I can go down the list of games I provided in my previous paragraph and give you a historical breakdown of the main protagonist and what they accomplished before I ever gained control of him. The character has history. In western RPG's, the character you play typically has no history outside of what you create for them at the character creation screen. In fact, almost every western RPG HAD a character creation screen. Where you pick their class, race, how they look etc. This is already a major key difference but it goes deeper. In western RPG's your choices would dictate the direction of story. Your character, when given the option would be given a list (sometimes upwards of 7 choices or more) that could drastically dictate where the story ended or even more simply where your character would travel next. In comparison, if you play through the entirety of FF7 there might be 5 times in the game where you're given a choice and it's typically a "Yes" or "No" option and how you answer is irrelevant because you will still need to proceed to the exact same plot point thereafter and the game will end in the exact same way it's supposed to regardless of your choice... which makes sense... because you're playing Cloud and Cloud is going to act like Cloud even if you're the one playing him right now. These differences are huge. The difference between controlling Cloud on his adventure through Final Fantasy VII and playing the character you created in Elder Scrolls: Morrowind are night and day. The same could be said about other western RPG's of their time like Ultima or Wizardy, or Baldur's Gate. These games would allow you to become a villain if you so choose and you could kill people you shouldn't. In Final Fantasy, your character will always be who they are. You as a player have no agency over their actions other than controlling them as they perform them. Keep in mind, I have only listed two key differences: Character Creation and Player Control. But the western and eastern game design around these two key factors make for completely different gaming experiences. Surely anyone that has played both FF7 and Elder Scrolls: Morrowind would agree that even though both of these games are "RPG's" there are more differences between these two gaming experiences than there are similarities which is the reason the "JRPG" moniker was created to begin with. It wasn't to discriminate against eastern RPG's it was an attempt by the players to set expectations for a potential player to understand what kind of RPG experience they were about to partake in. Just to put this in perspective, I'm currently playing Dragon's Dogma 2 (a JRPG) and none of the points I made in this long post would be valid when held up to Dragon's Dogma. The terminology of JRPG was created at a time when the differences between western RPG's and JRPG's were much much more pronounced. Even though differences still exist today, those differences will not be the same as they were in 1997. The reason why there's no such thing as a "J Fighter" or a "J Platformer" is because there was literally no distinguishing difference between a east and west fighters or platformers. The mechanical design of the games were so similar that you couldn't tell them apart. Unlike RPG's. If I finished up an Elder Scrolls game and asked a friend "What RPG should I play next since I loved Elder Scrolls" and he suggested Final Fantasy 7 to me, he would deserve to be slapped in the face as these two games (while both RPG's) have very little in common with each other from a gameplay perspective and in a vacuum you could say they are nothing alike. The thing is... those differences I pointed out between FF7 and Morrowind were (at the time) able to be generalized amongst the broader gaming market. Most Western RPG's allowed you to create your own character, be a villain, and get different endings. Most Eastern RPG's gave you control of a preconceived character, with history and story already behind them, and a linear ending that you would always get upon game completion.

@@Shifft-This I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone here.. There are very distinctive Japanese styles in other genres as well as non Japanese.. Is Blazblu the same stylistically as Mortal Kombat? Is God of War the same stylistically as Bayonetta? Is Super Mario the same stylistically as Prince of Persia? Is Until Dawn the same kind of horror game as Silent Hill? I could go on and on with this.. Even if we went with the ultra nationalist terminology in one genre the concept is at best woefully outdated anyways because technically any game from any region could have any style under the sun especially nowadays.. I just think Yoshi P would know what he’s talking about.. Why would he come out against something if there were no point to it you know? That said I have no reservations about the term J RPG in a non nationalistic way.. Let’s say short for Journey RPGs or Jr RPGs.. Meaning lighter rpg elements than something like D & D But because that would make perfect sense and would make everyone happy of course it wouldn’t be implemented.. We have stuff like Persona in the same genre as Octopath as well as Dragons Dogma.. I mean it just blows my mind.. Everything allegedly from Japan that is RPGs just being lumped together with literal obsession.. IDK maybe it gives people some kind of high to do that😜

@@Mintcar923 "I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone here.." I feel like we're discussing different topics. You said, "there are very distinctive Japanese styles in other genres as well..." but we're not just discussing styles, I'm talking about entire FEATURES that are expected to be in the RPG genre that were missing in these "RPG's" that were coming out of Japan. I've already given enough examples so I won't dive into it deeper. Let's just say that if I play 7 RPG's and 6 of them allow me to create a character and have diverging plot points with multiple endings and then I play the 7th game and I can't create a custom character and it doesn't have diverging plot points/multiple endings I would wonder why the last RPG I played didn't allow me to utilize the same game/genre mechanics that are a staple of that genre that were present in the previous 6 RPG's I played.

MonolithSoft is the new SquareSoft.

No. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong as hell. GAMEPLAY first. Story second. Graphics last. It isn't a movie. In NO situation EVER should ANYTHING come before gameplay in a GAME.

I agree with Irvine. Gameplay is always first. Those snes and psx FFs were like MMOs in single player form.

@@FF8IrvineFan_ I used to think that, but over time I’ve realized they are trying to say something. That determines where the characters go and what they experience and the monsters they fight. So that’s why story and gameplay swapped for me.

@@kevinramirez3134 definitely

If it isn't, the series WILL die.

We'll find out in 10 years...

**blue shell**

Because they didn't want to try anymore, most likely. I'm convinced they're TRYING to kill the series.

@@FF8IrvineFan_ It's not entirely Square, but they're allowing it to happen. If you search you'll see interviews talking about this problem without them... talking about this problem. I can't remember if it was Yoshida or Nomura but during an interview one of them even said that (I'm paraphrasing here) the pressure from people outside of Japan to change the way they are designing games (artistically and mechanically) is so high that they can no longer make a game without getting pushback from various people about the way a character is designed. Put simply, western political correctness (you know what word could replace this) is stamping out creativity at the creative floor as these games are being made all under the guise of "reaching a wider audience".

@@Shifft-This This is one of those situations where being complicit and being complacent are the same thing.

@@wontononionslicer1004 it just lost it identity for core gameplay as a whole

@@ShuraBeem @ShuraBeem Exactly, they lost their direction. Going back to Final Fantasy VI is the right thing to do. Fantasian : Neo Dimension will be very interesting and might be one of the greatest games like FF6 and Chrono Trigger. I'm excited about this Fantasian : Neo Dimension because it is influenced by FF6 the best FF game in thee series !

I don't think anyone who uses that argument realizes that this is not what it means. FF games have always reimagined how they can tackle *turn based combat* , which is what FFI to FFX did. Every single FF game prior to X is full on turn based, heck, XI still has its own sort of turn based with how its system function and XII taking samples out of it shows that, XIII too, is turn based. XIV, back in 1.0, was similar to XI until ARR happened and they made the combat a lot more digestible to modern MMORPG audiences. So far XV and XVI are the only mainline entries that did not use turn based combat. And unlike XVI, XV kept being a RPG. While unfortunately having rather shallow combat in comparison to "watered down DMC Final Fantasy". 🤷 TLDR: No, XVI did not reinvent itself, it's a completely unrelated entry that deserves the title of a (high budget) spin-off rather than being a mainline title. And the MMOs do not count as a counter-argument. Their cases are completely different as multiplayer games.

I forgot to add that they should not use the same turnbase system but what they can do to improve an already established turn-base system that make FF in general like what new FF7 rebirth and remake did. FF16 if you take away these eikons It won't feel like FF at all and the only character you can control is Clive.

@@ShuraBeem, Games like Octopath Traveler and Bravely Default knows how to properly refine and modernize the Turn-Based formula the right way. Which is what FF needs to learn and go back to. Heck, even Dragon Quest continues to do things right.