Salvation - A Philosophical Inquiry | Episode 1913 | Closer To Truth 

True, so true

We are one

If you can't quite express the truth, can you say that you truly know it? I am not trying to be cute or gnomic here; I genuinely wonder if someone has grasped some form of knowledge if they cannot articulate it. It would seem to remain inchoate in that case. Moreover, if you can't be certain of what it is you grasp (reflected in an inability to express it), how can you know that it's true and that all the world's religions are false?

“The Truth is that which runs after Truth.” - Lacan “The Truth is that which makes a hole in knowledge.” - Theresa Giron, _Umbr(a)_ “Truth is only available from a partial (engaged in the struggle) position.” - Zizek I think the easiest way to think of this is that learning never finishes, there is no whole knowledge, no master who knows us. What we all know but can’t express I think is this-that there is no end to the new in life, which means things are open and we are free to participate in the shape of this world, which entails all sorts of terror like totalitarianism or fascism which can appear as projects of liberation to the sleepy. We are free, that’s what we all know but can’t quite express I think because freedom depends on structure and is therefore particular-but that crack in the particular which bars the particular from being universal is what’s universal. We are free but only through submission to an ethical structure-in Christianity that’s the story of Jesus and his resurrection. The Holy Spirit is the community of believers bound by love, by the Christian ethic of grounded groundlessness. We are alone with our freedom and must struggle to reconcile ourselves with difference and contradiction in our lives-where two ideas grind against one another in search of Truth that is the truth. To work through contradiction (tarry with the negative) is to be most alive, to participate in becoming, in the process of the dialectic.

Well said👌💯

Science help us go silent into that dark night, we don't rage against the dying of the light anymore.

Viscount Hutton . Yes, it’s as good a pursuit today as it was in early Paleolithic history to find answers to the whats and whys of life. Such things are all rooted in faith and belief, unproven theories. It’s easy to be godless, if you perceive god anthropomorphically. If you understand the root of religions you understand why god has been created in man’s image. It’s why so many are godless, they’ve been exposed to a faulty description of god. God is not human in my eyes, if not then what, if we are made in god’s image, then what is the similarity if god is not human, then consider what is your true image, don’t trust your eyes, if you are not the man in the mirror then what does your image look like, follow the logic if you can. It’s how i found a natural god. The logic I speak of is not what I’ve said, it’s where it takes you that i found amazing. I called it the yanassi theorem, named after someone who passed.

@@yanassi If we're made with something wrong with us at the core level, then we can't be made in the image of god...that would make something wrong with God and I'm told God is perfect and a perfect being can't have something wrong with them nor can it sin. If you want to argue that we were made perfect first and we screwed it up, I would point out that a perfect being can't screw anything up. It seems like God screwed up many things, ergo, God is not perfect.

@@xspotbox4400 That's really bad poetry.

​@@cindychristman8708why is it so hard for you to see that you were born rotten, so you need to be born again! Don't complicate a simple matter. The gift of eternal life is being offered so... why not just take it with gratefulness ? 🤔

Is it a book or video

@@kevinwilusz7767 Hey, Kevin! Depending on how you learn, you have options. You can listen to a great interview series with Girard on youtube. Look up "CBC Ideas Rene Girard" and then "Raven Foundation Joy of Being Wrong" for Alison. If you want a difficult but not completely academic book, I'd check out Alison's "The Forgivng Victim" and Girard's "I See Satan Fall Like Lightening". If you're comfortable with scholarly writing, Girard's "Things Hidden Since the Foundation of the World" is a fantastic place to begin. For overviews, the "Girard Reader" is a great bite sized compilation of Girard. For a fantastic secondary literature overview of Girard, check out "Mimetic Theory" by Wolfgang Pavaler. Feel free to ask any questions!

I’m fine with the voices of Closer to truth. Highly literate, thanks be to God, I know how to increase my knowledge. Not seeking amens here or agreement particularly just an intelligent discourse. The ‘ fixing of me by ceasing resistance and accepting love’ is a fine description of salvation, I think. At least here in this forum there is no contentious back and forth among the religious which I find quite off putting. Inner logic is a gift from God. We are the main if not only sentient beings in the known world who have it! Carry on.

Bad memories eventually become good ones when the lessons are understood, cleansing forgiveness and growth always

According to scripture, salvation and thus going to heaven results in nonstop worship of God forever.

Then you won't have eternal life. You choose.

@@your_average_joe5781 Why would anyone with at least 2 neurons at work would want eternal life? It baffles me deeply that so many people don't really grasp what the word eternal entails! Living literally forever would be true hell!

Josiah Tejeros, 1 corinthian 18:1 was a translation by William Tyndale from latin to old english, against the orders of the Vatican. Mr. Tyndale believed parishioners should be able to read the holy book themselves. For that translation, mr. Tyndale was executed by the vatican. Or perhaps you would like further information, perhaps you’re quoting the king james holy bible. English christianity became as a result as king henry the VIII wanted rome to annul his marriage so he could get with anne boylen. Rome said no, so henry VIII separated english christianity from roman christianity and the church of england was founded, years later after many bibles were scribed eventual, after i believe 40 different versions, under king james the current book you quoted from came into existence. Or perhaps you would like to go further into the roots of your religion, why do you read so many names in your holy book are jewish, it’s based on the jewish torah. Or perhaps the root of christian theology, monotheism. The first known case of monotheism is egyptian based, there were two occasions when monotheism took hold. long before moses came into being. Josiah, know thy religion.

​@@yanassisounds like you need to repent 😅

Don't complicate it. We are born rotten so we must be born again ✅

No. Let's get the thing right.

Thank God there is a New covenant ✅

Only way to know the truth is if you could see entire universe at once and from all existing view angles. Partial true is just another lie.

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Christ did surely agree.

Referring to the motto of Bavarian theosophical society. It’s all German Gnosticism/pantheism/esotericism/occultism the ancient and false science of the fallen angels.

I bet that's what a 10 y/o girl raped by a gang believes; she had to learn the lesson the hard way. Another possibility is that stupidity makes it easier to believe in "god".

You mean that we are born rotten so we must be born again? Sounds simple enough to me ✅

Bro I couldn’t agree with you more it’s so frustrating how these guys obfuscate clear evidence of creation and come to the conclusion of undirected spontaneous entropy. Goes how far people will go to not acknowledge; forget a theistic God a creator period.

He is complicating a simple matter just to make these programs 😅 Salvation is pretty simple ✅

By grace we are saved through faith ✅

There was no sacrifice, God made manifest sacrificed himself to himself; and though he had a bad few days, he was resurected thus no sacrifice. It's like you giving someone money and claiming you sacrificed, and then the person gives you the money back in a few days. It never really was a sacrifice.

@@ernestmac13 Thats precisely the point you either accept the sacrifice or not. It’s why you’re endowed with free-will. It’s like a birthday invitation if you don’t confirm your attendance don’t expect an available seat. Same goes for God if you don’t accept his word don’t expect to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Since God is sovereign and absolute he can’t afford to accept sin into the kingdom of heaven that would be contrary to his nature. Anything not of God must be extinguished. Think of having a severely diseased arm that needs to be amputated or else you’ll die. You would do what’s necessary to survive even though it’s your body part.

My idea is that if everyone automatically goes to heaven, there would be no need for Salvation, for Christ. God makes things in a way that we sometimes don't understand, but having faith that God is a just ruler, that we need to have faith in order to believe in his intentions may be the best course of action.

Your concept of hell is not correct. If the gift of God is eternal life.... then what is the opposite?? God is not willing that any should PERISH !! Your understanding of hell is not correct ✅

Believing in god is related to the most important survival trait of humans which is cooperation which involves submission to the tribe and the tribal identity.

@@bobs182 Which resulted in multitudes of prosecutions by others and torture and murder by the church itself of unbelievers. Believe in God is a result of fear of hell and fear of ostracism by the group.

@@ingenuity168 Obviously, evolution results in messy instincts, With better living standards due to the industrial revolution people are controlled more by propaganda and less by fear of punishment and force. Manipulation which includes using people's fears has become a science. The more things change the more they stay the same as we still have our primitive instincts which easily override reason. I agree with everything you have stated but am simply looking at religion in a broader sense and more functional sense. About 95% of people believe in some sort of spirits(minds without a brain) due to the social structure for human interaction of our brains/minds.

@@bobs182 Our brains/mind ds/consciousness, whatever it is is causing us to imagine things which might not even exist.

@@ingenuity168 Yes, we are far less intelligent that most people realize. Instinct easily overrides logic/reason.

Perhaps these people are complicating the simple matter that we are born rotten and therefore must be born again ✅

I know, right. Anyone who is a Christian should be able give that answer straight away.

JOHN 8:21-24 21 Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sins. Where I am going you cannot come.” 22 So the Jews said, “Since He says, ‘Where I am going you cannot come,’ will He kill Himself?” 23 And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins.” Why is it that they “cannot” (John 8:21) go there as well? God is in heaven. Because God is holy, heaven is a holy place, and a holy place cannot contain sin. So the only sinners who can enter heaven are those whose sins have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus when He paid the death penalty due for their sins.

There are no contradictions in nature.

Your words are a bunch of nonsense and mean nothing. Don't complicate a simple matter ✅

I disagree with this idea of "sin". We just do things, and the things we do, we ourselves determine what is right or wrong.

Way off 😅

He just wanted to visit Scotland.

LOGIC: heaven is palace for God/Lord alone & it's not necessary to give it to human/servant. human has lost their place/earth to satan, & become sinners/slaved. the only place for slaves are hell, follow their Evil MasterMind! HELL REVEAL YOU = sinner liar hater murder evil rebellious boastful etc, slaved by satan. if you're real human in the image of God, you will always understand/know God's Thought & never against/attack God. it's impossible! HEAVEN = Project of Jesus, Place for Son of God. every soul will reborn & live like a baby, innocent & forever young, renewed everyday, never die. live in peaceful mind with God. HELL = the only natural place for all sinners, keep continue dying, zombie process, get worse everyday, because Jesus/God wasn't there to give any bless. all curse have been thrown to hell, tied up to satan there. 😰 .. HELL=NATURAL CONSEQUENCE/PROCESS, ALL SINNERS ARE EATEN BY EVIL/DEATH & BECOME FULLY SINNER OR PERFECT IN SIN. because of SIN, human getting older uglier unhealthier & finally DIE. Hell is the place for CONTINUE DYING worse & worse naturally, without mercy/help, because they've rejected GOD YHWH THE CREATOR & SAVIOUR WHO CAN RECREATE/RENEW HUMAN BY HIS HOLY BLOOD & SPIRIT IN JESUS THE KING/MASTER OF ETERNAL LIFE IN HEAVEN. 🙏

​@@viaini748everything that you state goes directly against the job description that God gave me ( Jan. 2008) which says " I am sending you out by the power of My Spirit to Release those bound by Fear, to Proclaim Forgiveness, and to show Love to ALL men.". Don't be too hard on yourself. MOST people (including religious leaders) have the wrong idea about almost everything. God would like MOST people to hear Him/Her/It say "You have meall wrong." I am just an ordinary human being, who makes his fair share of mistakes (sin), and has been having daily interactions with God since 22 December 2007 and, in all this time, God has shown me nothing but Love and Humor. Never mind any possible Bull you may get from the bible or any so called authority (including me). In many cases that would be just taking on the sins( mistakes) of the father. Instead, develop a personal relationship with God directly that does not include ANY middleman. God has protected the information on how this can be done in the bible - " with ALL of your heart, mind, soul and strength. Then YOU can get the Truth straight from the horse's mouth. Bless you 🙏❤️.

You are certainly right when you say that the idea of Sin has unfortunately been misused in this way a lot. But I think the concept of sin as it comes across in parts of the video is much too narrow. The concept of sin in Christianity (especially Eastern Christianity, which in this respect is certainly closer to the original) must be seen in connection with the concept of the overall fallen (or broken) state of the world. Everyone who has observed or experienced the effects of suffering in the world will intuitively realise what is meant by this. "Sin" is simply that aspect of the overall fall which pertains to our own imperfect relationship to the world, to fellow humans and to ourself. (And no, no individualist agenda of self-realisation, or "success in life" will help you escape from eventually facing this situation.) What first sounds like a deeply pessimistic view, however, can indeed be a source of hope: what is fallen or broken can also rise or be mended again, and the Christian world view implies the conviction that this mending is indeed possible. In this respect, the concept of sin has in fact very positive implications.

@@jakobtarkus5495 I think you are referring at the "Human condition", We do not have to call it "Sin" and give it a supernatural connotation. We have come a long way improving the human condition since prehistoric times.

I'll keep it simple for you. We are born rotten so therefore we need to be born again ✅

Wrong ! Nobody earns salvation. It's not about you, it's about what He has done ✅

Nope. We are born rotten and therefore must be born again. Don't complicate it ✅

Not just priests but nuns, rabies, munks, etc, and other staff at religious institutions.

Philosophy asks and examines important questions including philosophy of science. Science describes the world. Mythology/theology is a story.

@@bobs182 , yes, but philosophy does not make justifiable statements on objective reality, that is science's job.

He’s got other episodes to address those questions in-depth.

If you wish a simplified way to look at it is: if there is a god, he could have created a being that did only his will. That is true. Much like our ability to create machines and robots to do what we wish. However he chose to create a being with consciousness and free will, with an ability to freely discern to do as god wishes or not to do as he wishes. In other words he made humans with the ability chose to live a good life without doing physical, social or phycological harm to others or to themselves, or in contrast, to live a life of debauchery with all manner of societal misdeeds possible. Or a mixture of both. He left it up to us to chose.

If you accept the traditional notion of a God then he is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent. Meaning he is absolute and sovereign in thoughts and deeds. It’s why humans have free will and can make decisions. Are decision was to disobey God and so we face the consequences but God offered his son as a living sacrifice. The Gospel is that Jesus Christ came to earth, lived the life we should have lived and died the death we should have died.

sreekanth chintala. No, i am me, not god. Such vanity is overwhelming and aloof. A tree is a tree, a bird is a bird, i am me. That’s reality and it’s natural, why exercise convoluted thoughts to get to simple truths.

We are born rotten and therefore must be born again ✅

You don't think He could have returned to his father immediately?? He was sent with a mission.

Even Buddhism teach you that all creatures suffer from ignorance, lust, and pride (moha, dosa, and lobha), so you need to work out your own liberation through a series of Buddhist practice. No one saves you from your own karmic suffering.

@@WillyIlluminatoz Buddhism and Sikhism came out of Hinduism which is a “way of life” rather than a religion. Also the reason it’s one of the oldest spiritual traditions turned religion on earth. Human asceticism is just that “human” and we understand humans to be fallible creatures regardless of advanced teachings, study, practice, Knowledge. All human misgivings come out of the heart and that’s something we can never internally transform without the deliverance of a sovereign incorporeal God.

I highly suggest you research and study the doctrine of soteriology. Salvation in the Christian tradition is understood that we are fallible beings in this realm of purgatory and unless we accept God’s life preserver ring we’re all deserving of damnation. Hell is a choice we make based on our free will.

@@empyrean9712 I did, I found it similar to marveliology. Super heroes.

@@yanassi lol it’s definitely an interesting concept. I will say this only one of the three things can be true: soul doesn’t exist, soul reincarnates, or split between heaven and hell. Annihilationism was fascinating but it seems to be heresy to the ontology of the soul.

@@empyrean9712 that was thoughtful. Except one aspect. What if you didn’t have a soul? What if you are the soul and as a soul you have a body (the one you see in the mirror everyday)

Having a body benefits you in two aspects, one to survive here on earth, two, to engage in living, growing and experiencing life with many memories. Death is only the shedding of one’s body, and “you” simply continue in the next phase of life, complete as yourself, albeit without the biological aspect.

Any destruction of your life is from yourself. Your siblings are simply a convenient blame target. If gouhadno siblings, you would be just as miserable as you arenow, just blaming someone else.

@@karnakknowsall Well that's a brilliant lack of awareness & lack of questions. Obscene fundy XXXians would be very, very proud. Good job.

@@LibsRockU have you ever considered that the devastation in the world is a cause of man’s sinful nature? Lying, stealing, vengeance, wrath, anger all stems from the heart. I imagine sin to be like lung cancer we can’t see the scarred tissue until it’s too late. I do apologize if your sisters turned you off to scripture but don’t let even your loved ones distract you from truth. However, your sisters seem to be genuinely concerned about the destination of your soul after this life and it’s never something to be brushed off lightly.

@@empyrean9712 That is pathetic. Shame on you. And how dare you?

@@LibsRockU I wasn’t trying to come across as disrespectful or degrading just a legitimate question?

Great insight mr clever

In Christian tradition God created man sinless and blameless it was our free will as free agents that sin entered the world. It’s why this world is purgatory and heaven is with God and hell is without him.

We are born rotten and therefore must be born again. Don't complicate it ✅

I think everything is up for discussion whether we like it or not especially on the nature and destination of the soul.

@@empyrean9712 Your fear of death deludes you my friend.

@@curiouscarpenter3152 There’s a difference between fear and genuine skepticism especially on the nature of eternity. Remember first law of thermodynamics energy can never be created nor destroyed just comes in different forms. Well what’s so unfathomable about this law applying in the metaphysical realm? You should also study Kalam’s cosmological argument, infinite regress fallacy, Thomas Aquinas uncaused caused.

@@empyrean9712 It is pure narcissism. Your superiority must be orgasmic🙄