Sam and Lucifer Supernatural 11x09 

Omg I just noticed that

he didn't say it

I came here because I needed to confirm I wasn't the only one who thought that

Where did he say that?

Yeh I saw that

Especially considering that when Sam does shed tears, it's out of sadness from losing someone he cares about. *Never* has he cried out of sheer, primal terror... except in this one single scene. As someone who suffers from crippling PTSD flashbacks, not even my experience could possibly fucking compare to the shit Lucifer put him through.

@Hana Belle Thanks :-)

Da1337Man I’m praying the best for you man

No lie I would’ve pissed and shit my self if I was Sam

@@Da1337Man sad thing is we don’t know EVERYTHING Lucifer has done to Sam, some people theorize that Lucifer raped Sam in the cage because of how Lucifer talks to Sam like a rapist talking to it’s victim

@Va Mu Sam actually has seen Lucifer's true face twice once in the cage and once more in his nightmares

Va Mu Rowena has seen his face more times than she has cared to count ahe described Lucifer's face as grotesque, meaning he wasn't burned, his face was more mutilated in a sense.

@@MsWiccanpriestess rowena has only seen lucifer's true face ONCE as far as we know: before he smashed her skull and burned her also maybe I forgot but I don't recall her ever describing it as grotesque...? we know both her and sam are terrified by it but I don't think either of them ever called it grotesque also if anything it's sam who has seen his true face more times than he can count since he spent almost two centuries in the cage with him

Sam should’ve brought Chloe

@@MsWiccanpriestess I think lucifer reshaped his form, all the beings that know him before the fall say he has changed a lot, I think he reshaped himself to mock god since Lucifer in the bible is described as the most pure and beautiful being in creation

he should be in that fox show lucifer

But not as Lucifer

mark is such an amazing and very underrated actor, and im glad that we had the opportunity to see him in this role

I dont mean to be offtopic but does any of you know a method to get back into an instagram account?? I somehow lost the password. I would love any tips you can give me!

@Baker Colton instablaster =)

That's what happens to a long running show

I agree, the thing that bugs me about this is that if Lucifer would have just stuck to the game plan Sam would have said yes even if his initial reaction was to say no. Lucifer being who and what he is would be smart enough to know that being patient would be key. Lucifer having spent most of creation in a cage, who let basically an entire season go by without being overly forceful because he knows Sam will say yes in Detroit. Instead of sucking Sam into the cage it would be far better for him to just turn around and say ok well you know where ill be and let Sam come to terms with what he must do for the greater good which Sam would undoubtedly do.

My thoughts on this tho was season 11once Cas took him. He did a great job at first but then that whole Cast/Lucifer and God conversation annoyed me like when Cas locked himself in his room till God forgave him was just horrible and stupid. It was one of the low points in my opinion. Everytime Mark tho played him. He still did the character right. He plays the perfect Lucifer and i only hope with this final season he does justice to the character too!!!

I agree so much

Yeah especially when he revealed to Sam that HE was the one to send those visions to him and not God. It just didn’t seem like a Lucifer kind of move ya know. It was stupid cause now that Sam knew Lucifer was less likely to get Sam to say “Yes” to him if Sam knew Lucifer sent those visions to him. Edit: although the scariest Lucifer in my opinion Sam Jared’s portrayal of it since playing bad guys is Jared’s specialty

He teared up. Only one Tear, but he did almost "Cry"

With having spent a lot of time in the cage with lucifer i wouldn't be surprised. A lot of bad very bad things happened to sam in the cage cause of Lucifer

@marah aiyoub sadly is hard to notice. You have to pay atention to his eye to see the Tear

I think what makes this so special is that Sam never really cries like this. Even when he does, it's out of grief, out of losing a loved one; but never out of pure fear, pure TERROR. I think that's what sends chills down our spines. We indirectly realise how actually horrifying Lucifer is.

I agree. Season 11 was fantastic and I loved how it had a lot of Monsters of the Week episodes as well - and the brothers were closer than ever. I think the writers were definitely trying to make up for the disaster that was season 10.

@@xxwhispersxx2856 S10 was very good and not bad at all and nothing need to be make up for!

@@xxwhispersxx2856 Right, them finally being brothers again, somewhat getting their little brother - big brother dynamic back, it was all so refreshing. It really made me so happy, I missed my boys.

S11 did have almost as much fillers as S7.. the darkness plot fell flat big time

​@@vlad_47disagree, the Darkness was one of the more interesting monsters. Especially with her relationship with God. Sure, there was some filler, but it was still entertaining

Do you know the music to those parts

How? What could Lucifer *possibly* do against God himself? That would be like Lucifer (from supernatural) trying to kill Eric Kripke in our world. That is literally impossible, unless Kripke writes it that way, and even then it would still make absolutely zero sense.

Da1337Man Unless the French Mistake happens all over again.

I need Sam as Lucifer back cause he was hella terrifying!

@Varun Nathamuni no he's scary because Jared is a great actor

@Varun Nathamuni not to mention the way Jared looked so calm while playing Lucifer made him look terrifying and unpredictable

He should have said "kiss me"..😂😂😏😋

Lucifer literally told his son Jack he lost his virginity to his mother. So I doubt about the rape part but the torture must have been unimaginable.

@@SuperTejano96 I am a journalist and I spoke with a man in jail who had been put away for rape. He and a few others were trying to get some time off their sentences so they were helping out with a program to get the POV of the attackers so women could be more prepared as to what was they look for to get a victim. Anyway, he told me that he never considered the two rapes he committed as actual sexual acts on his part. He considered himself a virgin even after, because they were about power plays, not about pleasure. So it makes sense as to why Lucifer considered himself a virgin (no matter what kind of acts he did to Sam), because it was about power, not pleasure.

Lucifer didn't torture Sam in the cage. he told sam that he would never hurt her or lie to her, which he never did. he wanted nothing more than sam to be happy. he valued sam's consent to the point that he wanted sam's yes to be genuine, and even after sam had said yes, he made sure that sam understood why he was doing this. even if he had wanted to, raping sam in the cage would have been impossible because he had no corporeal form hallucifer is a hallucination, not the real lucifer, like seriously, he shouldn't even have to explain this, his behavior isn't even remotely the same. it's quite easy to compare the situation with that girl who was in the hospital with sam, her brother had died. and then her ghost had returned. and for a while he was nice, but then he started getting violent and acting completely different from her and trying to get her to kill herself. also, hallucifer is a cage fabrication. the cage itself is torture and it's surprising that sam didn't come out worse (that's why lucifer definitely tried to protect him). this gifset is a pretty solid explanation. hallucifer is also a product of sam's pain and self-loathing. he hates that he left Lucifer alone, and he hates that he can't fix everything. he is torturing himself. And what could be worse than the only person you thought you could trust, torturing you? exactly and lucifer would gladly jump because he cared so much about sam. and because he didn't want to kill michael. it is an irrefutable canon, lucifer himself said it, he wanted to cancel the apocalypse. but Michael wouldn't listen. jumping in the cage was the only option for him.

​@@canine_cluster3065Hello, fellow Samifer shipper :D Love you!

​@@canine_cluster3065Honestly, I’m so tired of people misinterpreting Lucifer’s character because of Hallucifer and the jokester that came back in s11, especially when people make false claims about Luce raping Sam. It’s like they didn’t watch season 5 or completely forgot how Lucifer really acted towards Sam, and Sam only. So thank you for explaining everything here!

I hope Season 14 Lucifer doesn't become a Joke and reverts back to what he was in Season 5 and 11 and 12.

I remember bitching that s11 luci was too joke like but hes still pretty terrifying...I want that.

Shit makes me mad sometimes when the directors have sam bitching up to some these idiots.. ik its just the script an all, but still man.. Sam be acting like he wanna these fools to butt f#ck him sometimes.. shit GAAAAAYYEEE🗣 and on top of that, the director has sam making all the stupid decisions in the show. Maybe dean too. But sam be on the ball

@@l8nightvibes Sam didn't want to fick the devil. Lucifer raped Sam and abused him. He's taunting him. Sam is terrified

@@l8nightvibes Dude, Sam didn't want to f*** Lucifer, Lucifer RAPED HIM. Also, whoa, damn you sound hella homophobic. Being gay is not a gross thing lmao, chill out and enjoy the show.

What

Sam: Can i be the big spoon

You are supposed to

Я тоже об этом подумала (Russian😁😀)/I thought about it too😂😂😂😂

I was completely seduced.

I took that quote as confirmation that Lucifer sexually assaulted Sam. Why else would Lucifer make all these sexual innuendos towards Sam? And the fear in Sam's eyes says it all. What I don't understand is why Sam never addressed this with Dean and Cas. It seems like they weren't present for the hints and might not have picked up on them.

@@nina-raedelong158 I guess the writers didn't knew how to manage the Sam and Lucifer Theme. They never went into details when it was about Sam's time in hell with Lucifer, they even gave us this "Funny" Halucifer in S7, maybe to change our perception about Lucifer? And here in S11 Sam was able to face Lucifer easily gaving us that "false" feeling that Sam's situation "Wasn't that bad" But if you really look into it, things get worse. I mean, SPN by its own its dark, but if they would decided to go more into Sam and Lucifer's story arc it would get too much deep darker. I think Sam's reaction about Lucifer makes more sense in S13 Jared/Sam shows more fear and rejection towards Lucifer, we can see how terrify he is. But we have to add that it was in season 13 the writers decided to start to, at least, try showing more of Sam's PTSD and inner thoughts and Feelings. But it was kinda late and not everyone can see how fucked up Sam actully is, because the writers never show us Sam like that. They show us a bit in 7x01 and 7x02. But Then Sam didn't look that disturb. And in this Season, when Sam and Dean have Lucifer and Chuck in the Bunker, even if Sam has God's protection, a trauma is a Trauma, he should be more in denial and scare about having Lucifer in the bunker. But well, at least the writers decided to try.

THAT’S WHAT I THOUGHT! That seems so stupid on Lucifer’s part and it just doesn’t seem like a Move Lucifer would pull. Plus with Dean not there to tell Sam he wasn’t going to be Lucifer’s vessel that gave Lucifer a MUCH greater advantage to getting Sam to say “Yes”. Also if he didn’t try to hurt Sam into saying “Yes” or reveal he was sending visions to him and just let Sam be and walk away from the cage, knowing Sam he’d prolly try to go back to the cage without Dean knowing IF Sam did walk away, then Sam would’ve said “Yes”, since ya know Lucifer NEEDS Sam he’s his VESSEL! Edit: I mean he didn’t FORCE Sam to say “Yes” before so WHY would he do it now (as I’m beating Sam, Dean, & Cass and threatening to kill Dean if Sam didn’t say “Yes”

@@nataliawashington872 He didn't want to take that chance. He underestimated the boys before so he wasn't taking the chance. And he did get a yes from cas so win win I guess. Lol

Well, narcissism has always been Lucifer's biggest weakness ;) He just _had_ to boast about his plan to show Sam how smart it was...

To be fair he invented lying in this show's universe; it's Lucifer's Lucifer that never lies.

@@catxborsuq1 I was referring to when this Lucifer told Sam he won't lie to him.

Yeah at first he really didn't lie. But I like to think when he was longer on Earth he became more "human" and started lying. But then again his whole character changed after s12 so idk

@@Andjelka99 yeah that makes sense

@@Andjelka99 xD

Mark is a true BOSS!!

It was heavily hinted to in Season 7. And by heavily, I mean pretty much just overly-shadowed to. It was never outright stated, but the show directors are wanting you to infer he was. Which, I could see plausible. 200+ years in the cage with the Devil and his brother? Unimaginable torture? Likely.

@@idyllic_dae He was never raped, he was most likely tortured.

how he could do that? i mean in the jump to the cage they were separated,so Lucifer was in his true form

@@camauinga As you saw in the beginning of the clip, Lucifer looked like Nick in the cage. My guess is that he can look like whatever he wants when he isn't corporeal.

@@mr.jameson218 oh,that makes sense. i guess he can manifest himself

But he had to, Sam said earlier that Amara's plan was to destroy every one of God's creation, pointing out that that included Lucifer. So of course he had to help, or else he would be destroyed too.

I'm searching the ost but no result

@@Nexusprimekillian me too

God doesn't *need* anybodys help. He merely wants everyone to play their part for his fun story. If God truly wants someone dead/gone, then he will simply do it himself if he needs to, but he won't because his direct involvement hurts the story. Think of it like Eric Kripke (if he were still in charge) wanting a certain character removed from supernatural. Who's going to stop him? He is the creator of the show. *Maybe* the only character he might have a problem truly getting rid of is Death, because well, death is kinda important not just for his show, but also for the concept of life itself, even in our world. Not even he can change that fact.

@@Da1337Man "Maybe the only character he might have a problem truly getting rid of is Death" Dean: You called? xD

I think it's actually a reference to the implications that Lucifer r***ped Sammy

Lucifer didn't torture Sam in the cage. he told sam that he would never hurt him or lie to him which he never did. he wanted nothing more than sam to be happy. he valued sam's consent to the point that he wanted sam's yes to be genuine, and even after sam had said yes, he made sure that sam understood why he was doing this. even if he had wanted to, raping sam in the cage would have been impossible because he had no corporeal form hallucifer is a hallucination, not the real lucifer, like seriously, he shouldn't even have to explain this, his behavior isn't even remotely the same. it's quite easy to compare the situation with that girl who was in the hospital with sam, her brother had died. and then her ghost had returned. and for a while he was nice, but then he started getting violent and acting completely different from her and trying to get her to kill herself. also, hallucifer is a cage fabrication. the cage itself is torture and it's surprising that sam didn't come out worse (that's why lucifer definitely tried to protect him). this gifset is a pretty solid explanation. hallucifer is also a product of sam's pain and self-loathing. he hates that he left Lucifer alone, and he hates that he can't fix everything. he is torturing himself. And what could be worse than the only person you thought you could trust, torturing you? exactly and lucifer would gladly jump because he cared so much about sam. and because he didn't want to kill michael. it is an irrefutable canon, lucifer himself said it, he wanted to cancel the apocalypse. but Michael wouldn't listen. jumping in the cage was the only option for him. Well besides the fact he saw Lucifer's True face While he was torturing him but come on it's Satan who would be comfortable with that

​@@canine_cluster3065he literally did torture him. It's not fan theory. He did. He left Sam traumatized and hurt and damaged. That's *canon*.

@@ikeohno9767 he tortured him ofc but mostly tearing his flesh off with meat hooks and burning him to death I mean shit that'll traumatized anyone

@@ikeohno9767 but that's not all, what I wrote is also what he did to Sam and what he couldn't do but still traumatized Sam in the process but also its Satan what else is new lol

I meant it to be scary, Lucifer was closing in on his precious victim while Sam was terrified at the idea of being trapped with him with no way out again

Lucifer in this episode was literally the pinnacle of the devil, toying with his food before ripping it to shreds...i loved it

No.

Not funny, it's a rape innuendo.

He wasn’t really fixed the first time around. He doesn’t make a huge deal about it, but he’s NEVER been ok.

@@odile8701 You're right, that's a lie he's taken to the grave, "I'm fine" "I'm okay" but I meant there would be no wall to put up if they got him out, and he'd be like S7 E17 "until his candle blows out" like he couldn't even pretend because to him, no matter what "you're not real" you know?

lol actually I think Lucifer wanted this to end up like that he is so playfull :) he enjoys playing with Sam

Actually I Had A Alternate View On Season 12 So Instead Of Castiel Getting Possessed By Lucifer He Becomes A Archangel For The Darkness Her Own Angel and Sam Does Yes To Lucifer Because With Lucifer Possessing His Perfect Vessel He Be At Full Power To Take Down The Darkness And There Would Be A Scene Where Lucifer/Sam Would Fight Archangel Of Darkness/Castiel Give Me A Respond And Tell Me What U Think

@@WhiteboyChris23 think you need to cut down on those capitalized letters

Sam is not stupid!!

You deserve an award, I was thinking along the exact same lines.

@@mael3508 this is actually a really clever explanation, great job!

In hell nobody can die

Hunny no

no one can do that better than him ♥

Tom Ellis!

@@rahaa.sh_307 LOL, HELL NO

@@THEINVISIBLEWARRIORR Hell yeah😊

Ian Somerhalder, Brad Pitt, Joseph Morgan (my personal favorite)

@CLIPPY GOT GODMODE!!! that's not the cage?

The cage is like in a completely separate realm. This cage is just a link to it

It's not the actual cage. It's an extension of the cage so that they can talk to Lucifer without letting him out.

only dumb people are wondering about this after being shown an episode before that the real Cage looks different and is somewhere else.

Whoa

@@heather2701 Right? That would've been epic, horrible for Sam, but epic and torturous to the fans, especially Sam girls

I rather have that than unrealistic Sam and Dean always win even when they lose

As a Sam girl I'm sure glad it didn't.

Lots of people seem to forget that, you're absolutely correct

Yeah I feel for Sam. Imagine the lord of evil himself torturing you. I couldn't be sane after that, nobody could.

Lucifer didn't torture Sam in the cage. he told sam that he would never hurt him or lie to him which he never did. he wanted nothing more than sam to be happy. he valued sam's consent to the point that he wanted sam's yes to be genuine, and even after sam had said yes, he made sure that sam understood why he was doing this. even if he had wanted to, raping sam in the cage would have been impossible because he had no corporeal form hallucifer is a hallucination, not the real lucifer, like seriously, he shouldn't even have to explain this, his behavior isn't even remotely the same. it's quite easy to compare the situation with that girl who was in the hospital with sam, her brother had died. and then her ghost had returned. and for a while he was nice, but then he started getting violent and acting completely different from her and trying to get her to kill herself. also, hallucifer is a cage fabrication. the cage itself is torture and it's surprising that sam didn't come out worse (that's why lucifer definitely tried to protect him). this gifset is a pretty solid explanation. hallucifer is also a product of sam's pain and self-loathing. he hates that he left Lucifer alone, and he hates that he can't fix everything. he is torturing himself. And what could be worse than the only person you thought you could trust, torturing you? exactly and lucifer would gladly jump because he cared so much about sam. and because he didn't want to kill michael. it is an irrefutable canon, lucifer himself said it, he wanted to cancel the apocalypse. but Michael wouldn't listen. jumping in the cage was the only option for him. Well besides the fact he saw Lucifer's True face While he was torturing him but come on it's Satan who would be comfortable with that

@@josemelendez6860

yay

Kurt Crockenberg no

@Kurt Crockenberg lucifer was never a fully fledged demon not in bible and certainly not in this show he was always a demonic/hellish angel but he was never a full demon.

@@jindrichsander7271 he was a Demon in a different versions of the bible but they don't stick to the bible because Castiel said you're bible gets more wrong then right.

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It's not sexual tension. It's neither hot nor awkward. It's terrifying, and extremely non-consensual. If anything, there's plenty rape undertones.

Why do people that watch this show think this way?? (Not slaccc tho)

certified gay it’s rapey

Stop sexualizing everything. It's pretty disgusting

sexual tension? more like rapey and terrifying.

See, people like you ruin shows like this. Watch it for entertainment! That's all it's meant for! If you let a show like this influence the way you think, you're no different than a robot. Actually, I have a better analogy, because I'm gonna try to predict your reply. You're no better than Bible thumpers who try to influence us into believing who's good and who's bad.

yes pls

Milo Campbell Well it didn’t happen 😂

Dean killed Lucifer, Michael posessed Dean

Yeah, and I'm frustrated as hell about that. After all he's been through, why the fuck was Sam _not_ the one to kill Luci?

KToonX I was upset to but maybe they’ll have Sam kill Michael in turn. If they don’t do that then I’ll be pissed. Sam killing Michael and dean killing Lucifer makes it more symbolic in a way.

The director did not know about it.)

Seriously? I didn't know that it mattered which eye was teared up left or right

Crying is response of the sympathetic nervous system, a predominantly parasympathetically-mediated reaction that triggers it. The autonomic physiological processes doesn't distinguish a specific emotion to a specific side a lacrimal glad releases tears; that's not based in science or reality. The left/right sided idea is an old wives' tale.