After you've felled your opponent with soto makikomi , always look for a wrist lock on the trapped arm - people are trying to cope with just having been thrown and they forget to protect their wrist .
Have you ever considered doing 'ken-ken' style Osoto? Putting this type of video on the internet takes cajones. Best of luck spreading Judo to the MMA world, I would love to see more professional fighters incorperate Judo into the clinch.
1. We weren't addressing head movement and direct entry, but I would agree. 2. Please don't be passive aggressive with your comments. We're not comparing penis's here. This is a video to give people some ideas on some throws. Not who does this throw more fluid. Try to be a bit more constructive next time; there are a lot of wrong things in that video. That are a lot more things I could have addressed. I thought they would come up in discussion. I guess I was wrong about that too.
@MrProwner It's simply stating a fact. If you want to argue semantics the fact is I don't use my hip as the fulcrum or the main leverage in that throw. Look at your argument for a second. You're arguing that it would be easier to do "x" throw. It doesn't matter if it was easier in your opinion. It wasn't the throw I showed. It's not the throw I use in that sequence. You're arguing just to argue. If you want to discuss something that's one thing but this is ridiculous.
@illonebaby That's fine. It's one of those things it makes more sense when seen or performed live. When you see the angle I'm coming in at. If you can't tell I'm chest to chest. The way I've learned the throws everybody is pointing out is to change your profile so that you facing away. Not only that but the way I'm driving the leg is towards the hamstring. I appreciate the comment though.
Do you guys realize I'm not using my hip at all on that throw? There are several other throws on that video including Harai Goshi. This is the reason I don't do Judo anymore. To much trolling and too much bickering. For the record anybody that comments on this from now on I want video, rank and experience if you're going to tell me what throw is what or it gets deleted.
Internet is a funny monster. I believe we're both just pointing out things as a matter of conversation. Not really thinking we're arguing, at least I wasn't. The only thing I'd disagree with you on that last post is the reverse heel hook. You have to have the arm free to be able to maneuver to it.
You've got the right idea. It's hard for me to explain in the written word. Essentially you never reach backwards throughout the entire process. Your arms are always in front of you. If their heels are on the ground they are not off balance. Did you see the video of my daughter throwing?
Not if you know what you're doing. Lock the elbow in place and they can't maneuver around. I have the same question asked seminar after seminar. I believe I have it on another video here on youtube, I just can't remember where it is.
I shall lay a bet that you're not off balancing your partner. This is easily addressed with entrance foot work. Probably need a separate video for that. If you shot a video showing me what you are doing, this would probably be the easiest approach.
When you set up any throw you need to unbalance your opponent. Unbalance opponent, then enter, then execute. This is known as Kuzushi in Judo. The hard part is maintaining this unbalance during the execution. This simply takes practice.
I think many would argue that because of the Makikomi that you can't technically do Tai Otoshi. That being said I think the Tai Otoshi foot work would be a fine follow up as long you have good back defense.
I know you're not trying to come off as arrogant. I also realize I can't please everybody. I took your comment as constructive. I've got to figure out the balance on too much rhetoric and not enough.
Nice. I use these pretty much as you have shown them with good results. I'd call the first one harai goshi too, but names don't matter. Only results matter. Good video.
I don't cater to females per se (we have a women's kickboxing class). I think that's what most women like about our facility. We have a good percentage of female members.
Yeah, mixed feelings on that. While I would normally agree, you can see that some wanted more. What do you think? Do the throws and offer explanation later?
@OVERCAPITALIZE; if you're not going to even make an effort than just stay off. I never say o goshi. As a matter of fact I started using English translations.
Judo is for sure one of the hardest to learn , its why I'm obsessed with it my very first day of judo I seriously considered not training mma at all and devoting all my time to judo , because judo is tough it does not come easy my instructor is a 5th dan kodokan from japan and he told me anybody that wants fast results should not take judo, you should take karate. In my opinion its the superior grappling art in any situation but the fact is you will not be able to do these moves without practice
I am not trying to be arrogant. I just think that if you give people too much detail it can be overwhelming and they will miss the fundamentals. Like you stated the importance of any take down is setup, level change, and penetration. Also, I am a BJJ/judo guy so I am speaking from that perspective. I just think that, in this case, less is more. Try thinking of your audience...you are an expert they may not be. Peace.
I'm okay doing BJJ! I sweep people, I like sweeping people off of my guard! But I can't for the life of me do simple Judo! :'( I'm sure I'm off balancing my partner, I push the guy to the right and try to pick him up! But I have to use strength and I can't pick up the bigger guys! In Judo you don't use strength! Using strength for Judo makes it wrong! :'( So do you just pull the guy towards your back as you're bending down?
That's absolutely false as far as BJJ goes. Judo? I agree those vary drastically but so do 99% of all martial arts black belts, so yeah, in most arts black belt doesn't mean much. But my point is still that between a black belt who has produced champs and a non-ranked guy who hasn't I'd choose the black belt any day. I mean, when I say ranked I'm also including things like being a high level collegiate or international wrestler, as they don't have belts.
@valhallaetc I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything cause I know this isn't harai goshi or a hip throw even, but the first throw looks more like ashi guruma than osoto gari. Like you said its a foot reap but I thought osoto gari was a leg reap and osotos minor version kosoto gari uses feet. I'm not a keyboard warrior like some other people or anything. I'm just a little confused. I hold no rank or anything like that I just read and study in my spare time alot. Thanks.
This comment isn't about the name, but rather the way in which you do it. When i wrestled in high school, coach always told us to just bring our left leg to it's knee, and drive the right foot all the way through in that direction. They still fall, and you're more protected from him regaining guard. Of course this way is correct also, just telling you what i was told. Love and respect what you guys are doing here. :)
i wasnt saying dont use it if your in that position. i was saying i wouldnt put my self in that position as my go to move plan a etc. nothing wrong with the tech. i was also answering heyeho honestly yes they can take your back, suplex, back hip drop they could also roll under for a reverse heal hook, they are the things to be aware of when in this postion.
Yeah I'm not getting my opponent off balanced. Today I got the guy's back and I couldn't trip him because he was balanced on both of his feet... :\ And I did see the video! So with your right arm you push them to the right to get their left foot off the mat, then pull down on them to lift them up and sweep with the inside right leg once they're on air?
I asked because I was curious. Usually instructors list these things on their websites and since his weren't I thought I'd ask. And yeah, it actually does matter what rank people have if they're teaching. Sure, guys might be badasses who don't have ranks, but between someone who hasn't got a rank and someone who does I'd probably go with the ranked person.
Do you think a Tai Otoshi would be possible from that Makikomi setup? As in right as he is going for that duck under, you pull a drop Tai Otoshi. Im guessing its too risky to give up the back on reversal though...just curious about your thoughts on it. Great vid btw. And some angles of your Osoto Gari looks an awful lot like a Hirai Goshi =P
I like to learn both Gi and Non Gi Throws. Basically Gi Throws preps you for grabbing clothing like a Jacket or Shirt. Were could I learn Abu Dhabi Wrestling? I looked in my State and nothing! I got down Muy Thai, BJJ, I want to also add Tae Kwon Do for good switch kicks
thats why i said beside bejing style which uses the coat. there are others styles many not related to the evolution of the bejing as it is manchurian influenced. there is a video that shows the rarely seen shanxi and henan styl. one of them resembles freestyle with out the shots.
Ranking means nothing, results do. This video shows a level of skill and I'd expect from a no gi instructor. Being able to throw someone that slowly with that much control is not an easy task. These throws are not that easy to learn. Black Belt is a meaningless buzz word 95% of the time.
Please don't listen to the people who want "less talking". You're the goddamn authority here - the stuff you're saying is stuff that people watching this don't know and need to hear. It provides context and fleshes out the tutorial. Great stuff by the way.
Thank you great man! I need to learn a few throws because apparently schools don't consider Jiu Jitsu as extra curricular so I'm gonna have to join wrestling :\ And in wrestling I can't pull these guys to guard and sweep, I'm gonna get pinned :(
What do you do with the hips? I don't get it? I need strength to do throws and I can't throw bigger guys, I'm assuming I'm doing something wrong! What do you do with your hips? Do you just like pull him down on your back? Help meehhhh!
yes he can also suplex the shit out of you. watch fedor vs randalman. this is an option but i wouldnt have it as my go 2 position when throwing. you could also look for a switch or sakuraba style rev fig 4.
if you realize, he stuffs any back taking techniques away from him. he leans forward knowing hes going to take his back. unless you want to get a hurnia, your not gunna be able to suplex a guy from that position
The hari and osoto do look the same with no gi, and it's cool to see the changes you have to make from gi to no gi, we offten practice no gi and everyone has a small but different no gi set ups and grips good stuff man
If he slips his right arm under the other guys arm as opposed to above it, the other guy's just going to clamp down on it, rendering it useless. The shoulder shrugging movement won't do anything. (Around the 3:00 mark)
Great vid thanks! to everyone else, who the hell cares what they are called. You can call it the super puppy smasher for all i care. Just do the move. What a stupid thing to argue about. Thanks again for the vid!
This is basic wrestling moves right here all of this I learned from 1 year of Wrestling. Getting Hip Tossed by someone alot heavier and forceful then you hurts like a bitch on your back lol.
you guys did a good job dont worry about the haters most of them dont even train at all just tapout shirt weares that think know know everything but dont even know how to show respect to others
you're leaning right into his power hand...dumb. i train with a judo brown belt and a third degree black belt in judo and they set up their throws much more fluidly. but whatever works for the user.
You could drop down a weight class? :P less powerfull dudes... But yeah try to unbalance him, like with your hand on his neck, pull him a bit down and when he reacts BOOM, trow him
Yeah good job brother. I know ALL about being hated on and it happens on almost every video I view. I'm looking forward to trying them out tomorrow and thanks!
As a person who loves the suplex I'm very much aware of this. As per your other comment this is the maneuvers I set up for by doing this entry. Like I tell many people if you don't like don't use it. I would rather know it than not know it. I've caught a few people asleep with this during grappling tournaments and MMA. I think I've got to do a suplex video next.
Agreed Tim, it really is something you'd have to experience or see live. The 2D takes away from my actual angles and where I place my leg. I've gotten a better camera and set up and I've been thinking about readdressing this issue.
Very cool stuff, I am trying to get into MMA found a great gym close by just waiting on money lol. On the head throw it is similar to what I did in Highschool wrestling but I locked hands and tryed to push the arm to the head, is the way you showed better? I usually tryed to muscle the guy over and I know technique is better from my recent roll sesion. And by accident I did the throw with just the arm, not as good as you lol, helped that I am a heavy and the guy was much lighter lol :D
