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Same Name, Different Game: Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES vs. Famicom Disk System)

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The Nintendo Entertainment Celebration kicks off as Joe compares the Japanese version of Super Mario Bros. 2 (a.k.a. The Lost Levels) with the US version.
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@ConsoleWars 9 лет назад

That was great dude. So informative.

@SameNameDifferentGame 9 лет назад

Console Wars Thanks, guys!

@SPac316 9 лет назад

Well, the Lost levels was more of an expansion than an actual sequel. So I was happy with the Super Mario 2 we did get, which was Doki Doki panic. It did something different. But we did get it as The lost Levels at least. Anyway, good video.

@SameNameDifferentGame 9 лет назад

SPac316 Yeah, I'm glad that now, people have easy access to both, but I definitely prefer Doki Doki. Thanks for watching!

@SuperNickid 5 лет назад

@On the Stick: 3-1, force you to suicide when not big, his incorrect if you would have bothered to look arround before jumping in the suicide, there his a power-up in that location to get out, and there his also a vine that lead to sky bonus that will get you back to just before the green spring, the vine still work even if it disapear as long as the vine load enough before disappearing.

@SameNameDifferentGame 5 лет назад

Yeah, in that particular spot, you can get out of it, but the game doesn't make it easy, and it goes to my overall point that this is a much stiffer challenge than what American players were used to.

@antilopezmexicanos 5 лет назад

I was around 15(I am around 45 now), when I knew this back then in the Mexican Club Nintendo, the oficial Nintendo magazine, my mind was blown & always wanted to try the doki doki panic version

@SameNameDifferentGame 5 лет назад

It's honestly not as good. SMB2 is the optimal way to experience it.

@kevinking9606 5 лет назад

Dont know why he dont have more views. Great channel

@SameNameDifferentGame 5 лет назад

Thank you!

@anthonyreynoza8535 4 года назад

I just found this out this year. I couldnt believe it I remember having the lost levels on the snes version that had all the Mario games and hating the lost levels. I didnt understand where they were from or why they were on there but now I know it was the real Mario 2 that whole time. I was 5 years old back then like 1995

@SameNameDifferentGame 4 года назад

Now you know!

@NeoTurboManiac78 9 лет назад

Another great video. I still remember the commercials for Super Mario Bros. 2 when it first came out and I loved it, because it was completely different than the first game. I begged my step father to buy me this game and he did and I played it non stop.

@SameNameDifferentGame 9 лет назад

NeoTurboManiac 78 I love it. Thanks for the kind words, man.

@ClassicSonicSatAm 3 года назад

USA Super Mario 2 also added a run button which Doki Doki Panic lacked.

@SameNameDifferentGame 3 года назад

True! A much-needed one.

@bagsikdangal 3 года назад

Got the famicom Mario 2(aka Lost Levels), since famicom is what we have here in the Philippines. Later on we got to play a famicom Mario 2(the americanized Doki Doki, though the words are in japanese)

@SameNameDifferentGame 3 года назад

Yeah, that's the "Super Mario USA" version!

@JordanSheckman 9 лет назад

Nicely done my dude. Equal parts informative and entertaining.

@SameNameDifferentGame 9 лет назад

Jordan Sheckman Thank you, sir.

@markhicks2621 3 года назад

Ik this is years late but the part that takes you back to earlier parts of the stage doesn't make you suicide it's a invisible block with a mushroom in there for you to get out

@SameNameDifferentGame 3 года назад

@sammylane21 4 года назад

SMB 2 is frekking adorbs!

@SameNameDifferentGame 4 года назад

It's pretty good!

@sonicmario64 6 лет назад

I think it's kinda sad that some people prefer the Japanese version of SMB2 just because it played exactly like the first game while US version of SMB2 had its own unique gameplay style, especially since the Japanese version was way too difficult to play and had absolutely nothing new to offer except for Warp Zones that sent players back levels as well as the dreaded Poison Mushroom power-up. :P

@SameNameDifferentGame 6 лет назад

Yeah, I mean, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I look at folks a bit askance when they say they prefer Lost Levels over the US version of SMB2.

@HipsterBlackMetalOfficial 5 лет назад

Only hipsters that try to act like purists say that SMB 2 Japan is better. Smb2 japan is a complete piece of shit. It seems like an experimental romhack if anything. I wouldn't even call it an expansion. It seems like they were trying to mess around with features and other limitations. SMB 2 USA was cool back in the day... But even I had questions back in the day. Like why cant I stomp on enemies and whatnot. But at least we got a few characters out of it like Shyguys. Looking back now... SMB3 feels like a true sequel. But hey, we live in the romhacking age.

@calvin3464 Год назад

My favorite Super Mario Bros. 2 game is the one we got here in the states.

@juliovindell264 2 года назад

Super Mario 2 Allstars almost looks like Super Mario World quite impressive!

@SameNameDifferentGame 2 года назад

Indeed.

@Sinn0100 5 лет назад

I have you know that I am a master at Super Mario Brothers. I am amazing at the second game as well. I made it all the way to world 1-4...that's right, Skills For Years Son! Okay, that damn game is so freaking hard. My first outing with the second title was with the Mario Allstars compilation. That cart was such a sweet surprise and really made me happy with Nintendo again...(I was not happy about the illegal monopoly and Liberman teaming up with Nintendo in 93...no I was not). Love the shirt.

@SameNameDifferentGame 5 лет назад

And the SNES version is easier than the original!

@markhicks2621 3 года назад

@@SameNameDifferentGame I just got av Famicom and fds yesterday for the original bc everyone says it's harder bc the all stars version I'm actually really good at

@SameNameDifferentGame 3 года назад

@@markhicks2621 Enjoy!

@Gxpblog 9 лет назад

This video was really well put together. Whilst the core subject is quite common knowledge, you did an excellent job of making this incredibly informative! I really enjoyed this and subbed to your channel. :) You present really well and include a lot of fantastic video and game footage. I try to do the same with my videos, but you're in a completely different league! Great work. I can't wait to check out more of your videos.

@SameNameDifferentGame 9 лет назад

MyGamerXP Thanks so much for the kind words and sub!

@StarForceBelmont321 2 года назад

Joe, the fact that in the Japanese Super Mario Brothers 2 do you need to beat the game eight times in a row without any Warp pipes and no game overs play world's 9 a b c and d is a definitive NOPE for me, I'm sticking to the all stars version on Super Nintendo. BTW one game over means you gotta repeat the cycle of beating the game right times.

@SameNameDifferentGame 2 года назад

Yeah, huge nope for me.

@jakespidermonkey1994 6 лет назад

6:17. There's a hidden block to the right on that wall with a mushroom.

@SameNameDifferentGame 6 лет назад

Good to know if I ever decide I hate myself enough to play Lost Levels again! ;-)

@SuperNickid 4 года назад

@@SameNameDifferentGame : Also their his also a vine block, even if the mushroom block make it disapear you can still climb it as long as the vine reach the top of the screen, the sky bonus will exit near the green trampoline, which his just a few step head of the under ground bonus you took. All 3 positive warp zone his in world 1-2, they are all in a seperated room each Warp zone to world 2, 3 , and 4. 5-1 as the warp zone to world 6. 5-2 as both Warp zone to world 7, and world 8 in seperated room each. Notice warp zone to world 1, that his in world 3-1, you can used the warp zone in world 1-2 to go back to world 3, and the spot you got troll, and as long as you already beat the castle from world 1 and world 2, even if you are send back a few world, you don't have to beat does castle again to get world 9, and that his on the NES/Family computer disk system version. The same goes if you found the warp to world 5 in world 8-1, 5-2 can get you back to world 8, and you will not get disqualified for world 9, if this happen in the All-stars version SNES then you would not get world 9, since that version check if you enter a pipe name Warp zone. In The NES version of Lost level you have to beat the game 8 time, beat 8-4 8 times in total, in any condition, that mean you can used warp zone for this and skip castle level, then once you got 8 stars on the title screen hold jump and press start to start on world A-1, World A-1 through D-4 his easier on the NES version then the all-stars SNES version except for C-3 on the NES version but that his only because of a sprite limitation glitch. NES version of world A through D, enemies are not fast, check points still exist except for world D, and bowser does not toss Hammer, even the D-4 Bowser. All-stars version SNES version World A- through D does not need to be unlock, but enemies move fast, check point does not exist, Bowser toss hammers.

@captainnintendo 9 лет назад

Nice and very in-depth video m8 ^^ Love your videos.

@SameNameDifferentGame 9 лет назад

Captain N Thanks, Cap'n. You keep watching 'em, I'll keep making 'em.

@Gatorade69 4 года назад

I'm glad you mentioned the fact, yes fact, that Luigi is the best. I used to play SMB3 by myself but have it set to 2 player just so I could play through the game as Luigi. #TeamLuigi I love the American SMB2, I think it is the first video game I ever played. Lost Levels is so awful, I think I tried playing it once and turned it off pretty quick. Well at least it introduced Kaizo Blocks and playing as Luigi.

@SameNameDifferentGame 4 года назад

Luigi is definitely the best.

@pferreira1983 3 года назад

Good coverage of the game. I highly recommend GTV Japan's video covering the history of the event Doki Doki Panic tied into.

@SameNameDifferentGame 3 года назад

Thanks!

@lamiatorchani7648 8 месяцев назад

I wonder how Japan reacted when they got the same game twice (Doki Doki Panic and Super Mario USA)

@SameNameDifferentGame 8 месяцев назад

Super Mario USA is a considerable refinement of Doki Doki Panic, so I'm sure they were find with it. Also, by then the Disk System was pretty far out of fashion so a lot of newer Famicom owners without FDSes probably were stoked. (Castlevania 1, for example, got a latter-day cart re-release, too.)

@lamiatorchani7648 8 месяцев назад

@@SameNameDifferentGameoh, sorry

@lancehernandez1044 5 лет назад

I played super Mario bros 2 on the super nintendo and on nes

@wrestletube1 9 лет назад

Were there any NES games different from the N.E.S. and N-FAM versions other than Probotector Vs Contra Vs Gryzor "if the uncensored non robots one for the computers made it to the NES at one point as well"? In fact on Contra all 3 versions might be different because the N.E.S. may have also had a bit of censoring on some games although the charactors are uncensored when it comes to games which may or may not have blood in the Japanese original like on shooters which Contra is.

@SameNameDifferentGame 9 лет назад

Daniel Cordell There a a couple, I think. But the NES didn't get a lot of traction in Europe, and so the library isn't as big.

@DarronRanston 6 лет назад

Okay, gotta set you straight on something. It was specifically a prototype for Mario 2, and it's not that they couldn't make it fun, but that they couldn't make it RUN. This was still early in the console life cycle and a lot of the tricks for getting the most out of the hardware was still undiscovered. By the time Fuji TV rolled around, they had figured out how to get more out of the console. While the setting and enemies were not exactly what Miyamoto had in mind, the mechanics WERE what he had envisioned for a proper Mario sequel. Nintendo didn't just go "Hey, Doki-Doki Panic is fun, but needs more Mario to sell over seas!". New IPs were not something Nintendo feared. The reason it was changed is because the president of the US branch of Nintendo told Yamauchi that Mario 2 Japan was too similar to Mario 1 and too dickishly hard to sell, so they needed a new Mario game, and Miyamoto saw his chance to set right what once went wrong, hoping the next leap would be the leap home... And so he finally got the Mario 2 he always wanted, and we got a much better game for it.

@SameNameDifferentGame 6 лет назад

I'm glad you're here to "set me straight," but I did the research before making this. Both of these points are addressed in a 2011 interview Kensuke Tanabe of Nintendo gave with Wired at GDC. On the first point, he said "the vertical-scrolling gimmick wasn't enough to get us *interesting gameplay*" i.e. they couldn't get it to be fun. It was a working demo on the Famicom. But I guess you would know better than the person who worked on it. On the second point, as I say at 9:36, Tanabe said "We knew these Fuji TV characters wouldn't be popular in America, but what would be attractive in America would be the Mario characters." You can read the whole interview here: www.wired.com/2011/04/super-mario-bros-2/ Then I guess you can email Kensuke Tanabe and "set him straight" about the game he worked on.

@DarronRanston 6 лет назад

I'll admit when I'm wrong. Sorry man, though I wasn't entirely wrong. Reading the article and brushing up on Gaming Historian, there were technical issues with the way the Tanabe wanted the original game to be entirely vertical. Also in that very wired article they originally discuss making the game more "Mario-like". Hell, when it became Doki-Doki Panic it had enough Mario references in it because of Miyamoto's involvement that he joked that maybe it was too much like Mario. As for the second point, I didn't mean to suggest that Dream Factory being an unknown in the US wasn't a factor, just that it was more than a simple desire to bring over Doki-Doki Panic. They DID need a Mario game that would sell in America and all the teams had their hands full with other projects, and there was Doki-Doki Panic, with so many already existing connections to Mario, a game they wanted to sell to the US but were unsure of. A perfect moment of killing 2 birds with one stone. Sorry about being a dick about it too. I need to stay away from RU-vid on my PC when I'm hungry and in a bad mood.

@DarronRanston 6 лет назад

Yeah, been trying to get back into Ninja Gaiden Black, and those FREAKING SPIDER CLAN NINJAS AND THEIR STUPID FREAKING EXPLODING KUNAI! Dark Souls ain't got nothing on Tomonobu Itagaki, the sadistic, pervy bastard.

@SameNameDifferentGame 6 лет назад

You're not wrong.

@M3troid. 4 года назад

The Lost Levels is way too brutal. I think it is the hardest game i ever finished. What were they thinking?

@SameNameDifferentGame 4 года назад

They were thinking about making a game FOR SUPER PLAYERS! Which I suppose they succeeded at, but I'm not especially interested in playing it.

@SupahChannel12 9 лет назад

Since the Japanese Mario 2 is more of an expansion pack to the first, and the U.S. Mario 2 is way too different, Mario 3 feels more like a proper successor to the first in my opinion.

@SameNameDifferentGame 9 лет назад

Supahchannelproductions Agreed 100%. (Mario 3 is also the best one.)

@SupahChannel12 9 лет назад

Next to World :D

@SameNameDifferentGame 9 лет назад

Supahchannelproductions I meant on the NES! (But I do like 3 a little more than World, though I understand folks who like World more than 3.)

@wrestletube1 9 лет назад

Mario Madness on the N.E.S. definitely looked more pleasing than normal 2 on the N-FAM even on the graphics as they were nice and bright. But I do actually think Super Mario All-Stars and World had the best version out of all of them though although it is cheating in a battle between NES/N.E.S./N-FAM though.

@SameNameDifferentGame 9 лет назад

Daniel Cordell It's sort of cheating, but the NES versions of the Ninja Gaiden games are better than the SNES ones on Trilogy.

@wrestletube1 9 лет назад

I'm surprised Nintendo didn't bring out a Super Mario Bros. - Mario Madness 2 as people did like Mario Madness better than the other game.

@AirZonkWorldChamp 9 лет назад

8 times! Thank God they'll took that out of the All Stars release.

@SameNameDifferentGame 9 лет назад

Ryan AirZonkWorldChamp No kidding.

@SuperNickid 5 лет назад

Ryan AirZonkWorldChamp: Well they make World A through D harder in the all-stars version as a trade off, because I remember in the All-stars version one level in World A - throughD, if your small mario or luigi your garantie dead, since as soon as you land on the platform the koopa would be in your face, because the koopa move faster, while in the non- all stars version, they are not moving faster in World A through D, so you can make it across as small mario, or luigi, without having a koopa in the face as soon as you land. All Stars version of World A through D, no check points, and bowser toss hammer, it his a real bowser at the D-4 bridge, in the non all stars version of world A-through D, there his still check points, except for castle levels, and world D, Bowser does not toss hammer, and the bowser on the D-4 bridge his an imposter Bowser(this his to prevent adding a star at the title screen when finishing D-4). In the non all-star version to unlocked world A- through D, you have to beat 8-4 a total of 8 times, you can used warp zone to reach 8-4 quicker.

@anthonyreynoza8535 4 года назад

Have you done any episodes of the Brazil exclusive master system games like earth worm jim and mk3 compared to the genesis versions or something I think it would be cool if u havent

@SameNameDifferentGame 4 года назад

Most of those are just Game Gear games ported to the Master System. I haven't done any episodes on Brazilian SMS games specifically, but I've touched on games that were back-ported from Game Gear to Master System (Sonic 2, etc).

@anthonyreynoza8535 4 года назад

@@SameNameDifferentGame oh interesting I just ran into a video showing 30 brazil exclusive ms games and thought it was weird seeing games as advanced on ms I must say they look pretty good earthworm and dynamite heady especially look pretty good on there I didn't have game gear

@GarrettCRW 5 лет назад

The Super NES version is also better because SMB2j/Lost Levels is substantially easier in its Mario All-Stars form.

@SameNameDifferentGame 5 лет назад

Yep, exactly.

@wrestletube1 9 лет назад

Love this series. This one is a well known Same Name Different Game but definitely one that all people whos making their own version of the series just has to cover in their version at some point in their series. Another Joey in Indy Wrestling 8-Bit Eric Joey Specture is now wearing Joey Pink colours as well. I wonder what would happen if you both get booked on the same indy show? May the battle for the rights to call themselves Joey Pink begin. Ding Ding Ding lol. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OkAwh1RIsyI.html

@thegamingwizardsherlock4678 5 лет назад

so wait they took a japan game reskin it to mario and sell that back to japan so that means they had the game 2 times?

@SameNameDifferentGame 5 лет назад

Correct, but many years apart. And technically in different formats. Doki Doki Panic was a Disk System game and Super Mario USA was a cartridge.

@thegamingwizardsherlock4678 5 лет назад

it is a good thing nintendo made the call to make a reskin to another game if that never happen we would not have shyguys birdo etc it made the mario bros even more super would be nice if they bring back the pick up and throw plants again it was fun but XD moms and dads might not like it after all it does not teach you to eat your greens *rofl*

@SameNameDifferentGame 5 лет назад

Oh yeah. Worth it for Shyguys alone.

@BenevolentDick 9 лет назад

Good video man. i cant believe this is still a thing in some circles. people who still complain we didnt get smb2j are idiots and i cant help but say it to there face when ever its brought up. i do know some smb1 masters who dislike this game too for reasons you mentioned. its not really fun and lacks that special something in its design that smb1 had. i never beat it my self personally and i never heard of this 8 times thing. wtf really? you also gotta mention the lack of the run button in doki vs usa but yeah smnb2 japan is smb1 dlc basically... but heres the truth. i am one of those idiots that does wish we did get the real smb2 in the us instead. i mean smb2 was in such demand it would have been awesome if this one came out instead. so many kids would have cried. parents would have been pissed, demanded refunds. Christmases,birthdays would have been ruined. nintendo could have lost consumer confidence. man oh man man i just shake my head at could have been. all the chaos and tears.. oh well.

@SameNameDifferentGame 9 лет назад

BenevolentDick Oh, man. I forgot the run button thing. Good catch. Thanks for watching.