Saruman's Ring of Power - The Dark Truth Exposed! 

I like the idea that the Valar were like, "Wow, Sauron and Curumo have a lot in common - they're basically kindred spirits. And Sauron totally tried to become master of Middle Earth. Let's send Curumo to try to stop him. That won't backfire at all."

I've said this before, commenting on another video: There are three paragraphs in Two Towers, chapter two, that I always wondered about, where Aragorn says, "There is some will that lends speed to our foes and sets an unseen barrier before us: a weariness that is in the heart more than in the limb." I never found any reference elsewhere that addressed this. To me, it sounds similar to the effects that protected Imladris and Lorien.

So, Saruman was trying to usurp the One Ring by creating one with better stats, the Two Ring.

I like this. Saruman is one of my all-time favorite on-screen characters. And Christopher Lee's portrayal was absolutely stunning.

Was it Saruman's pride that even when he had Galdalf in his prison, he did not strip him of the Ring of Fire? As it would have revealed his inferiority complex?

Saruman crafting his own lowly ring always rankled with me.

This is one of the most interesting mysteries in Middle Earth that I've always craved more information on. Thanks for your great analysis and intriguing perspectives!

One day a Bright Lord(tm) will forge a ring of power to challenge the Dark Lord himself! I love these deep dive videos! So good!

You have such a beautiful voice for narrating this kind of content. I'm jealous. Good video.

Entwives: "We feel lost and forgotten!" Saruman's Ring: "Excuse me?! YOU feel lost and forgotten!"

Fantastic video- this is fast becoming my favourite Middle Earth channel. Also really good to see new artworks that aren't channelling those films.

Poor old Aule must be eating crow. I cannot believe how many times I've read LOR and still missed Saruman's ring.

Saruman, I think, would not have showed his ring to Gandalf unless it had some real power. What happened to the ring ultimately? Did Saruman have it with him in the Shire? If so, what did Frodo and company do with it?

Love the lore and narration! Keep it up!

Wow. I just discovered your channel, and I plan to start from video #1 and watch them all. Incredible quality, easy to follow, and great narration. Beats reading wiki articles any day!

5:00 "Barad-Dur ...suffered no rival " Angband :" hold my beer "

Is it possible that Saruman fashioned the ring before he turned wicked, and that in fact it was his ring that brought him down, by amplifying his envy and lust?

Absolutely fascinating; stuff I was unaware of. Thanks!

I wonder what happened to the ring he made?

Very well done. Your voice is also powerful.

Somehow you still manage to highlight the very question which I consider really interesting.

Thank you had several questions about this one

Saruman never served Sauron nor bent to him at all in the books. The Gandalf locked in the Tower bit is explained ONLY in the Unfinished Tales Book: In [manuscript-C) The Black Riders arrived at the Gate of Isengard while Gandalf was still a prisoner in the tower. In this account, Saruman, in fear & despair, & perceiving the full horror of service to Mordor, resolved suddenly to yield to Gandalf, & to beg for his pardon & help. Temporizing at the Gate, he admitted that he had Gandalf within, & said that he would go & try to discover what he knew; if that were unavailing, he would deliver Gandalf up to them. Then Saruman hastened to the summit of Orthanc - & found Gandalf gone. Away south against the setting moon he saw a great Eagle flying towards Edoras. See, the thing is he was always master of studying the enemy & even being able to think like they do to always know exactly the best ways to handle ever situation and so on, but the thing is he didn't just become the enemy, he at this time in a sense for once actually grew afraid of him, probably Sauron did what Sauron did with Finrod Felagund in the duel of visions, (Galadriel’s elder brother who by the way was the most important in the Legendarium & is the main reason the third age even exists) which basically widdled Saruman with various visions of the past and future until it wore him down, but Saruman(Curumo) was the mostly already becoming weary due to what was called The Long Defeat, magic bleeding out from the lands of middle earth and subsequently certain things become less and less possible and the elves begin to go west. Even the ones who never wished to leave middle earth and many of which were born here by the thousands. So him also being a student and helper of Aulë of the Valar he was going to fight fire with fire and make a bid for the ring just so Sauron could never regain full power and if Saruman found a way to release himself from his power restrictions even by any small margin or worked with Eru in some way it might have worked out in the end if things went differently enough to where such action from him would be needed. Ontop of that he was growing ever jealous of Gandalf for he received the Varya from Círdan and prior to that was chosen by the other Valar, Nienna’s chosen champion to go to middle earth. But Gandalf(Olórin back then) refused over and over and exclaimed his fear of Sauron(Mairon), varya I feel would have kindle the heart of Saruman to stay strong as he had been fighting the evils of the world for a very long time since he had been sent to Middle Earth. And for the is reason Saruman wished to hold the ring at hostage. Keep Sauron from taking back his full strength and basically use it to stave off The Long Defeat. Saruman is very complex. The Hobbit movies actually shows how he was even 60 years ago during Bilbo’s story. He was one of the main forces thwarting Sauron for over 2000 years. The Númenoreans: the high men of the west; gifted Saruman with Orthanc which was of their making. Now known as Isengard. - saruman is actually trying to doublecross sauron. He wants the ring for himself. He thinks he can control it. The little orcs around saruman are from mordor - sauron's orcs sent to help saruman but also to spy on him. The big fighting orcs - the uruk hai - are loyal only to saruman. Orcs are like that. But its why saruman's orders are a bit vague - to avoid sauron's orcs knowing what saruman is doing. The movies dont make this bit of the story very clear. But notice that, while saruman knows where the fellowship is he never lets Sauron Know.

The man was compensating. He was a rather insecure wizard.

I like the idea that Saruman could have eventually forged a true Great Ring of Power, if he ever had gotten access to the Dark Tower. One can almost imagine the story of how Saruman could have kept his betrayal secret, slipping into the Dark Tower after Sauron fell, but before Aragorn secured his two realms. One last hurrah for the secret agent of evil.

Saruman had a great Problem. Yes he was a Maiar like Sauron but he wa slimited by the Valar in his power and could only use parts of it, so he was weaker than sauron and couldnt contain enough power to form such a powerfull ring like sauron even with knowledge

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What happened to Saruman's ring after he left Orthanc? And what happened to his ring after he died? Unlike the rings falling under the One Ring, Saruman's ring wouldn't have lost its power after the destruction of the One Ring. So it would still persist as a magic ring.

A good video but one with a very strange ending: "Could the tale of Saruman's ascension be the greatest untold sequel?" Er, no. Because he has already been disempowered by Gandalf and was killed in the Scouring of the Shire. Which brings me to the other weird strand in the argument - the idea that Saruman's ring would make him immortal. He's already immortal. Yes, the wizards came to Middle-earth clothed in the bodies of Men and these bodies do show signs of aging, due to the labour and cares taken on by the spirits that inhabit them, but there's no suggestion in Tolkien's writings that the wizards would eventually succumb to natural, mortal deaths. Maybe their bodies would wear at some point wear out and, similar to Elves fading, they would become pure spirits again. But this is all speculation. Sauron. for instance, had been in Middle-earth far longer than the wizards and had shown no signs of "wearing out". His Ring was forged about 5000 years before his final defeat, but that was still a fraction of all the time he'd spent on Middle-earth - and even when it was taken from him and his spirit fled his body, he was still able to take shape again. I'm guessing Saruman's ring didn't do much at all, but it also wasn't meant to be a preservative, since Saruman had no interest in preserving things - he was more interested in destroying and defiling them. Maybe it could to some extent amplify the powers he already had, such as his voice and the ability to motivate armies. But I think it was just there to impress Gandalf, who wasn't impressed at all by it.

Why rings? Why not Necklaces, bracelets, or anklets?

You should next do a movie about the palantir. The seeing stone Saruman had that allowed him to communicate with Sauron.

Thank you again for your wonderful storytelling. I wonder where that ring ended up.

Saruman was always jealous of Gandalf for being gifted with one of the 3 elven rings.

I read a theory that sarumans ring would likely assimilate the one ring had he obtained it. This would render the one ring lesser than sarumans ring. The theory concluded with a complete ring barring istari march before the black gate and Saruman hands Sauron the one ring (now lesser) and dominants him. The 6 maiar all wielding rings of power would engage in a new music to turn middle earth into paradise

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I think now I understand, Saurons Ring, is different and vastly more powerful than the others, because is the only one that caries the soul, the essence of souring a maier, and doing so he infected all shadow realm and no one can truly wild it. Only Aule himself if he would do d Such a creation and secrefice part of his soul, it could meaby enough to .

What do you think of saruman having made 2 rings? One for him, a master ring, and one for Grima, a lesser ring to corrupt him. The way they both are such shadows of themselves by the end, makes me think both were beneficiaries of preservation and victims of corruption from rings.

Who are the artists who made those pictures?

I've always assumed Saruman's ring was weaker because he never tried/learned how to pour his own malice/essence/power into the ring. In his hubris he created the ring to try and further his power rather than using his power to create it.

I like how 1 sentence is turned into a 15-minute video lol.

I don't know if this has ever been answered but why didn't Saruman take Narya from Gandalf when he was imprisoned?

I thought the wizards came to middle earth in the form of old men, I know they age slowly, but was there a difference between Saruman's ageing and that of Gandalf, even with Gandalf wearing Narya?

Would Saruman's Ring have been under the control of the One Ring? My guess is yes. The enabling tech of the rings as given by Sauron was designed to be controlled by the yet to be made One Ring. i.e. it would have been Standards Compliant ;-)

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If his own Ring of Power did survived Orthanc´s conquest and he wasn´t wearing it anymore after Gandalf broke his staff, then after he got killed physically by Grima Wormtongue, his spirit might have survived so long as the Ring remained much like Sauron did when his own lasted. That could be an explanation of The New Shadow´s main ideas left unfinished by Tolkien. It doesn´t seems that Saruman got the same fate of being sweped away by a Western divine wind into the East as Sauron did get after his defeat, or well his spirit seems to go into another direction than Sauron.

Gee, Sauron created a ring, and it's caused hm nothing but trouble, and weakened him greatly. I want some of that, Saruman though.

So, this normally where I complain, as I often do, about videos that discuss the Rings of Power; how Sauron had to carve the majority of his native essence from himself, and tie it up within the One Ring, to dominate the others, when it never seems that any other grand artifice requires a sacrifice. Neither Celebimbor, nor the other Gwaith i'Mirdin "lost" anything in making the Rings, nor did Feanor dwindle for making the Silmarils, or the Palantiri Stones. I feel like this might add to the idea that Saruman's Ring does nothing, as he may not have known about investing himself into it, but this actually gets me to my question; what IS "ties up" within the other Rings of Power, that lets them do what they can, seemingly without a cost to the forger? What did Sauron teach the Gwaith i'Mirdain to seal within the Rings to give them the power they possessed?

It is possible that Saruman made his own ring of power according to the teachings of Sauron, on whom he studied. In this case, the following questions arise: Was Saruman's ring also connected to the One Ring? If so, did he lose his powers like the Three when the One Ring was destroyed? Did he incarnate his own spiritual power into this ring in accordance with the doctrine he adopted? Was this initiative an essential ability derived from his being a Maia of Aulë, independent of Sauron's teaching? Could this ring be the main source of the effect in Saruman's voice? If he had this ring, why was he trying to get the One Ring? Could Saruman's mind be perceived by the Three through this ring? These are the main questions awaiting answers. I think it may be related to the concept of Morgoth's Ring that Saruman may never make a ring equivalent to the One Ring like Sauron. It was Sauron who inherited the corrupted Arda and thus Melkor's will that spread across Arda. Mordor is one of the special regions where Melkor's spiritual power (will) is focused due to its heterogeneous distribution on Arda. This is the fundamental fact that distinguishes the One Ring forged in Mordor (constructed from the material of Arda and therefore tainted with the spiritual power of Melkor) from Saruman's ring. I think this is what's missing in Saruman.

This lore could have become A religion

Just to indulge in pure speculation, perhaps Saruman's ring also gave him enhanced ability to create his Uruk-hai, through genetic crossing of orcs and men, it seems.

The quality of your scripts effortlessly surpass those of all other Tolkien tubers. Well done!

Notwithstanding many good ideas in your video, we must remember that Sauron learnt his ring craft in collaboration with Celebrimbor. It was not a solo effort. Consequently, Saruman could not have ever achieved the skill of Sauron's crafting. Secondly, the rings only had as much power as was poured into them. That is why Sauron faltered upon the One Ring's destruction - his native power was permanently lost to him in the dissolution of the Ring. Saruman may have achieved greater focus of his power but it could not amplify beyond his original power quantum. One of the reasons Sauron was so mighty was that Morgoth probably had gifted him some enhanced ability - thereby lifting Sauron above his original state at Morgoth's expense. As Saruman was not enhanced by Sauron or Morgoth he was probably only as powerful as he ever was. Had he more time, Saruman may have enhanced his craftsmanship but he would have had to steal any additional power - possibly through the capture and torture of others ...

Why the fuck am I watching this?

Didn't t the Maiar have immortality similar or superior to the Elves? If so, then Saruman was not in purely mortal form and didn't need to worry about extending his lifespan.

It came to my mind as this started that in Christianity the angels that fell did so immediately on learning of God's plan. Tolkien, good Catholic as he was, followed this except for Saruman. It seems only he fell after learning of and following Eru Illuvatar for a time. Not sure if my knowledge of Christianity is lacking, if Tolkien would indicate Saruman actually fell earlier, or if Tolien simply deviated on this point. What I would give to have a sit down with the writer!

Your use of language possesses a potency akin to Saruman's prowess in sorcery.

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You say Saruman was aging. This is rubbish. He's a Maia, so can't age. The Istria look, like old men through choice, not by growing old.

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