I think they wait for Wube to announce Space Age release date next week as they have already commited to announcing Space Age release date next week. Coffee Stain then decide on a date plus or minus 2 weeks from Wube's date depending on the current state of Satisfactory 1.0 etc..
I would be totally OK if the max output of a Pure Node with a 3 shard miner was 780ppm. And then all node combinations under that were lowered. As it is now, it is nearly impossible to use every node on the map without running out of PC resources or running into the Object Limit. We do not need more resources in the game. Having the miner max match the belt max would just ease the minds of completionists. Keep in mind this was beta where they stress tested the game to find limits. They found hard limits, like belt speed maximum and object maximum. So 1.0 should be designed to come in just under these limits, to maintain player performance experience.
i decided to make a new save when 1.0 drops because of two things: i wanted to try to automate biomass generators to see how it actually change what i usually do in the early game and because the node changes pretty much destroys half of my factories if its not more and im too lazy to fix them. But for what i have been seeing this last days it will be worth it for other factors like the recipe changes, the new nodes, the posible use of the collectibles (i dont remember their names) and more reasons to build a bigger train network
@@TotalXclipse my calculation is.... Among 30 days rule before other price changes is that no sales if less than 30 days from release with price change. End of October there's Halloween sales. So they need to change in September at latest. But politically is better to change it after this sale or at release... But if you can't at release... Anyway not before October as they need time to rump up marketing and videos and such.. But could be also in November as you told and same considerations with winter sales
I expect 1.0 release Mid to late August / early September. Given Snutt's statement about the immenent price hike (completely understandable since the game has been $29.99 for 5 years now), makes total sense that the 1.0 release will be 4-6 weeks after the Steam Summer sale ends.
@@chrishoppner150 I do not think they plan to compete head to head, Wube has announced they are revealing the Factorio Space Age release date this week. Coffee Stain can and probably will make adjustments so the two games have at least 2 weeks between them.
It's possible the theme connecting the impure nodes and the Mk3 miner fix is reducing the numbers required for some recipes and rebalancing around that. The recipes are totally under developer control, unlike scaling Unreal Engine. The 1.0 announcement did say some parts were being outright removed from some recipes, which also reduces global demand for not just the parts but every raw material that goes into making them.
Great video! Regarding 4 reasons 1. the vacation of devs and community managers in terms of solving problems/support 2. summer vac for customers as well has a financial reason 3. some legal rules in pricing and distribution 4. the factorio update is about to be released >>> i expect it will be at the end of august
Yo ya no juego más asta que salga 1.0 la emoción y la espera no me dan ganas ni de habrirlo al juego. Esperando pacientemente su salida oficial a la 1.0❤
People waiting for release to buy the game, are wasting money. They can save a lot by buying right now on sale. It is literally only 15 dollars compared to 40 on release.
Most of my most played games are/were early access. From KSP 1 and 2, space engineers, empyrion, terratech, terratech worlds to satisfactory, scrap mechanic and Ark. Not all have pass to release stage (ksp2 damned) but I never complained on bugs. I was happily reported every crash or bug that I founded . And most of them? Those games in early access, especially in later stages weren't more buggy than most of AAA titles on release. I am not talking about cash grabs like sports series or shooters, that release just updates of own game yearly with new number and full price (cod, bf, FIFA etc) but RPGs. From Cyberpunk to starfield. They all were buggy af.
These peoples waste money but I think its a positive thing that there is a wave of new buyers when 1.0 releases. Because whether they buy it on discount or 3 weeks later a sale is a sale, but it also show all other publishers than a release brings money, and so it incentivise them to actually finish the early access games. Else if their was no financial interest in releasing an 1.0 version I think we woul see a lot more scams from huge compagnies, releasing terrible early access games never to finish them (like ksp2 did). For gaming in general I think its good, and peoples who don't want to buy early access as a precaution but don't want to spend too much money will surely wait for another sale in a few month.
I had been waiting to buy the game for a while but was in no hurry since I am still playing 2 non factory games atm. Then I heard 1.0 was coming and went to Steam finding the sale and grabbed it while the price is right. Common sense says the 1.0 release would be much more so it was a no brainer. Now I am learning the basics in a temp world and gathering the knowledge I will need for the 1.0 'forever world' I will build upon release.
Hey @TotalXclipse as a videographer i noticed your camera settings should change if possible. i.e You should try and match to the fps of the camera to the shutterspeed, 1/30 for 30 fps and so on. (Ideal range i 1/25- 1/60 for best naturel motion blur, and should not go lower than this) if the image is getting over exposed on the settings above get a Variable ND Filter. And ofc keep iso and lowest possible. Keep in mind this is a very minor problem :) Thx for reading.
Thanks! I've been struggling to get to grips with this Camera as it's much more advanced than anything I've used before - but after your message I realised that my shutter speed was slightly off - Looks much smoother now at 1/60! Thank you :)
About the usual teasers before release... The stuff reserved for 1.0 is the stuff they have always been very adamant about not spoiling before release. Not seeing much teasers prior to release seems about right this time around.
true - they want to make a big splash by releasing everything at the 1.0 release trailer but I know Snutt and Michael want to be showing a little bit more than they've been allowed to so far
@@TotalXclipse community managers currently have the worst job in what they want to say and show, and what they are allowed to ... they are not only sitting between two chairs (users and company), but between two millstones :-)
even if the "release rebate" would be -50% (like it is currently during the summer sale 2024), it would be more costly. and everybody should have been able to decide during the last years whether he wants to buy the 1.0 version or not, and know (and buy) it already NOW at a really good (insanely low) price for all that is offered.
The devs obviously haven't 100% decided yet. They are all going on holiday and will give it another glance over with a fresh set of eyes after they get back and decide how many extra weeks of polish they want to do.
yes, doing the price change now only gives the _option_ to release at any time after end of august. doing the price change only after their vacation time would prohibit a release date before probably end of september or start of oct. depending on bugtesting and other factors, _and_ depending on release dates by other companies, they otherwise would severely be limited in options.
with the last short info video they said they will up the Price after the summer sale before 1.0. Why are they doing it, they said it has to do with steams price policy. What is this price policy? Well I checked the Documentation and the rule that i think is the one to look out is the one that once you raise the price of a game, you need to wait at least a month to be able to give a discount on it. Probably to avoid "fake discounts". Most early access games that that release 1.0 give a discount along with it. I believe they will release 1.0 1 month after the Price increase, which they said will be "after Summer sale ends" which could be everything, but the way they worded that(and they might be sending people like me in the wrong direction on purpose) suggests it will be shortly after the Steam summer Sale. In Conclusion I believe the Release will be mid September or October. I might be completely wrong and the stuff with the other releases makes sense, but who knows maybe that was decided earlier, or they know something we don't know. TLDR I fixated on a detail very much and extrapolated a timewindow from there. Thank you for reading my ted talk
yes, currently -50% of 29.99€ = 14.99€ !!! which surely will be lower than the release price even when there would be a rebate of -50% again for 19.99€ instead of 39.99€. and people should already have seen enough of the game to determine whether they want to buy it at all or not (even for playing only after 1.0)
Something that could also happen with the pure nodes, is that they produce pure ore instead of regular ore, and that you use the pure ore recipes to make to most use of them.
August seems like a safe bet as far as the price change rules are concerned. There's also the vacation planning aspect of all of this. Normally people don't have their summer vacation at the same time, but around late August everyone is pretty much guaranteed to be back. Let's assume that a fair bit of tweaking needs to be done before the official launch date, so somewhere around August they can start working on these things. Depending on how much needs to be fixed, the first reasonable release date might be around late August. However, knowing how unexpected stuff tends to show up, I'm going to guess it's around September instead.
yes, and the early price change will allow them to do the release at any time, instead of assuming a late release (just in case some bugs and problems show up) and then not being able to release it with a discount earlier when there are no big problems, but still having to wait a few more weeks because of "legalities". it will also enable them to react more flexible (releasing earlier or later) when other games publish their release dates ...
I would like it to be august release. But if I had to put money on it, I'd guess that you are propably correct in guessing late october or november. What I really, reallly want is an amazing launch. I'd rather wait to november and have a great launch than have a fail launch in august.
앞으로의 계획도 흥미롭지만 나는 게임에 이런 기능이 추가 되기를 바란다. 디아블로 같은 새로운 지도가 생기기를 원한다. 그리고 제한된 어떤 상황에서 티켓을 누가 더 효율적으로 운영하는지 확인할 수 있는 순위표와 같은게 생기는 것도 흥미를 끌수 있으면 한다. 그리고 장르별로 순위가 보이는 시스템을 만든다. 2~3시간정도에 누가 어느 정도의 효율로 티켓을 생산하는지 아니면 슈퍼컴퓨터 같은 특정 생산물을 몇개를 생산했는지 확인할 수 있는 시스템이 구축되면 새로운 자극이 될것이다.
1 thing that might changed the Dev’s plans is that Giant software released that Farming Simulator 25 will be released on Nov 12th. & Farm Simulator has a much larger following than Satisfactory does. but both games share the same demographic age of players. so I can see Satisfactory not wanting to compete with Farm Simulator on release dates.
Automated Biomass Burners will help with the tedium of keeping them fueled and that's it. They won't be a replacement for coal power going into the mid game. New players won't know the difference and existing players will be able to choose whether to keep the old, manual fueling or use the automated fueling.
About the pure node thing, I don`t think they will mess with the miner outputs. While most of us will and I think everybody should start a new save when 1.0 is out, it looks like they care about those who want to continue with their old one. The node and recepie changes comboned with all 3 miners output altered would make old saves pretty much unplayable. I thing your other bet (using SAM ore to build some device for faster extraction) or a simple double output will be the solution, probably combined with some ajudtment of bell speeds. I think Belt Mk2 should be 150 and Mk3 300, so they can be used on fully overclocked Mk1 and Mk2 miners respectively up to normal nodes. Mk4 belt possibly to go up to 600 and I would love to see the recepie chnaged for it to say steel and rubber instead of encased beam. With this logic almost every new tier would douple the speed, so Mk5 belt could be simply 1200 throughput.
I think you're probably right with your first prediction. The 30 day cooldown on price rises is a minimum, so they could release any time FROM August, but I reckon you're right it'll be later. I'm rooting for August though!
I am more hyped for Factorio Space Age atm. But i am going to play Satisfactory 1.0 when i am done with that i guess. I have to admit i would need a bit of a break from the factory genre between the two games tho. If space age releases in august and satisfactory in november, that would be perfect. (i wouldnt mind if they release earlier, i would just wait and play it when i feel like)
Gamescom timing for the launch then? As could do a big blowout there as biggest EU gaming show. Was thinking Nov/ Oct sound too far away and expecting September/ late August after there break. Though with factorio announcing there release date next week I do wonder if that will get satisfactory to push there's back.
They said they weren't going to do a surprise release, but they didn't say exactly how far ahead they'd announce the date. Snutt's a tricksy one. I suspect he's got his poker face on in the latest video. He definitely does not get our hopes up falsely, because he knows how bad that turns out for other game companies. So I predict a release immediately after summer holiday (August), later only if it conflicts with the factorio stuff.
Don't wait for 1.0 to buy game, NOW it is best time to do so. -50% off, and after this Steam Sale, price will increase. You won't get Satisfactory cheaper then now, for long time.
All of this has to tie into the actual plot of the game. To whit, we are a cloned human that has been sent to this highly unusual planet and we are apparently the only cloned human that the robotic landing systems actually managed to land on the planet. Thus it seems that getting stuff from planet Earth to orbit is difficult, and getting stuff of any sort interstellar to this planet is very, very difficult. Computer systems seem to be expensive, since the success rate of Fixit getting humans onto the planet seems really rather low. There's something on this planet that is really, really valuable, but interstellar travel is still very, very difficult and presumably very weight-limited. My guess is that our end goal is to produce starship drive units and/or interstellar transporter systems of some sort. These will involve SAM ore and require equipment that needs both Mercer Spheres and Somersloops in quantity just to make the super-manufacturer unit. The super-manufacturer will inevitably need incredible amounts of power, SAM and other expensive components. Pretty much the entire planet will be dedicated to making the components for this super magical McGuffin that is in such short supply; when we complete it, we probably get a reward of yet more work.
Makes sense for Satisfactory to release at the same time as Factorio and on sale. CoffeStain allows them to spend their ad dollars. This will result in free ads through steam with the similar or on sale games suggestions function. It then becomes a choice of do you want top down or first person. Consumers new to factory building will likely choose the later.
I hope you're right about time spent in early/mid game. I always felt the elevator unlocks came just way too easily. I hope there is also a multiplication factor setting for all of the unlocks.
Hi there. I was wondering why you don't mention the announced prize increase after the current sale - until your curve ball. :D I'm quite sure Coffee Stain will bomb us with teasers after that prize change. And I'm also quite sure the will not wait until November. Maybe it depends on the current state of the release candidate. So I would expect to see the release any time as of August. Many youtubers seems to have a break streaming Satisfactory as there are many adjustments are announced in the beginning of the year. So there is a pressure for Coffee stain to release the game as soon as possible with an acceptable readyness of the game.
i Reaaaaaly don't want to rebuild my Mega factory again. I would rather make the small adjustments needed to operate again. i started my Mega factory 4 weeks ago, and already did ALOT!.
Please give me 1.0 fast. Can’t motivate myself anymore to play the game now I know it is pretty close. We all know it will be better to start a new save.
love the game had to take a break since update 8 i have a decent machine but on update 7 hit 120fps or better on 8 starts very low like 25 after 20mins goes to 75 then in 20 more mins back to 25 and back and forth my machine has not changed any since update 5 other then hdd going to sdd i miss the game but please fix your low fps on update 8
I have a VERY IGNORANT question, why the rush to get to 1.0? I understand its a milestone and the hype-train drives sales, but it's not like something changes after hitting 1.0 unless they decide to drop development, then of course its a very big deal. They might want to take a stab at a different project that might be more lucrative, which I completely understand they are, after all, a company not a charity.
*TL/DR:* They get to drop the early access badge. To a portion of the market "early access" is a stigma. A badge of dishonor. It is not so bad for a while but it becomes increasingly worst the longer you dare to wear that badge. Soon accusations of "permanent early access" gets thrown around or worst. But you can't declare your game finished to soon. Especially if you plan to continue development. The game must feel complete and satisfying upon release. Further DLCs (especially if paid) should not feel like they are missing pieces of the base game but genuine EXTRA/BONUS pieces. A more sinical angle would be... that releasing paid DLCs in early access is a big no no in the eyes of almost all gamers. Releasing extra paid content after official release may or may not be accepted by the community depending on the specifics. But Paid DLC in early access is a PR disaster. Now I am not saying they will go this route. There are examples of studios that made official release and carried on releasing free updates. A famous example would be Mojang with Minecraft.
Nodes, belts, and recipes changing. Factories will no longer be optimized, and at worst, non functional. Many builders, myself included, have put the game on the shelf till 1.0.
@@gottlichhg He was actually asking why the rush to release the game (1.0) rather than take their time and just keep releasing content in early access. If the plan is to keep releasing stuff after release just like they've been doing in early access... indeed what does it matters if the game is "released" or not? Specifically, why the rush? That was the question.
The biomass burner is that hand feeding while pushing toward coal, significantly slows you down. it becomes a slog, its just not fun and frustrating to be interrupted just go and pick bushes
what i want to see from these node changes and 1.0 patch is all the assemblers and other production machines to get the mark 2 version and something like double the speed and triple the energy cost or something on those lines to be in line with the mid stage energy production increases and abundance of coal nodes... and a miner mark 3.2 (no reason for it to be .2 instead of .1 than to just make you wonder why it was not .1) which will have the same speed as mark 3 and all but 2 outputs to get everything it makes out in time...
Thing is trains are being made accessible earlier, so power production would need to be increased to match that. Thats why the early game power is being made easier. That and everyone gets too reliant on nuclear instead of using fuel by the time you reach tier 7/8
If you are waiting for 1.0 to buy I recommend you do so before July 11th as it's $15 right now and will be going up to $40 (from $30) after the Steam Summer Sale.
and even if there would be any "release rebate" (my guess: not more but maybe even less than -50% again), the rebated price would rise by at least 5€ ... there was enough time for people to decide during the last years whether they want to play after the 1.0 release and buy it now.
The price change is the biggest clue. Just like stated they have to chage the price before a specific window to a sale. Two biggest sales left in the year are the Autumn sale and the Winter sale. Doing the price change immediately after the summer sale would put them in the allowed time frame for the Autumn sale. August is also going to be a huge month for automation games as many have already announced release or coming out of early access in August. I am personally expecting a themed sale from Steam based on factory/automation games possibly between the Autumn and winter sale with the amount of new factory/automation games that are about to saturate the market.
maybe some such _"secret NDA factory sale plans"_ would restrict their abilities to participate in some of summer/factory/autumn/release/winter sale rebates ? that could explain what is so difficult or impossible to publicly explain about a simple _"30 days between price change and rebate"_ rule ...
My guess is internal release date has been moving around and the price change was set at the absolute soonest possible release. This assumes that steam rules state that you can't change the base price of a game regularly. My guess is that they finally set a release date internally, so now next week we get a release date video and some additional info
Hello @TotalXclipse, I'm not sure if you have an editor but the background music could come down in volume just a couple notches, in my humble opinion of course. Would be a lot easier to listen to your videos on headphones. Love the videos otherwise, thanks for making them!
Hey, thanks, I did this edit, but I did have issues with the music being too loud. I thought it was okay in the end but if you've had that issue I'll see what I can do to improve on it for the next one 🙂
Release date won't be sooner than 30 days after the sale ends which would be on thursday 11th of august, a day of the week that is common for new releases although the following tuesday would also be in keeping with common release day choices. I've expecting 1.0 to appear around spetember/october time
the end of summer sale is on july 11, and that is a thursday, thus another thursday 28 or 35 days later, not 30. 30 days after july 11 would be the weekend of 10/11 august, but yes, with vacations, testing, translations, etc, and other game releases it probably will be sometime in sept/oct.
Did you hear about why they had to do price change now? Its because of Steam policy @TotalXclipse they require any price changes to be made a certain # of days prior to a full release. If you know the policy it will give us a date about when it will release. Atleast a minimum date.
as i understood, it is not directly about price changes xx days before release, but about rebates xx days after a price change. thus it only indirectly will be xx days before release when a company wants to release the game with a rebate to show it to all people who have it wishlisted and selected the option "show games with rebate". and thus July 11 plus 30 days would be the weekend of august 10/11 as the _earliest_ possible date, with lots of options to move the release date to end of august or any date in sept/oct (or later), depending on holidays/vacations, testing, bugfixing, late translations, etc, _and_ reacting to release dates of other companies.
They for sure take their time. It is like 5 years now in early access. They need to do this before factorio dlc release, cause after that everyone just gonna go and play factorio. Me included
30 days (because of publishing rules for rebates) after july 11th (thus end of aug) would be the first possible date, and with that option they can shift the real release by a few weeks back and forth to any time in sept/oct or later, depending on bug testing and other companies.
We know that they are making trains accessible earlier in the game. Maybe the early power buffs are all about making early trains more viable? Train power is not that expensive by late game standards, but for an early game player who has not yet expanded very much, train power might look too expensive, and some players might instead choose to run belts everywhere. Giving the player more power might be a good way of gently encouraging players to use it on trains once they're unlocked. You can also use coal to fuel vehicles, of course, and that might be a consideration as well.
I believe it's more so that they don't want players staying in one spot. So they moved key resources around and spread them out. Now you need some way to get to multiple of these far away resources easier, so they made trains available sooner
my biggest problem with trains was that they were available relatively late, and i already had to build belts or other transport long before them. thus when they became available, i would have to replace all that earlygame and midgame transport, which i found annoying and thus barely built any trains. and with trains not being available early, also stations and tracks could not be built early, no matter how much/little power a huge network of working trains would require, making it harder to later connect distant locations to an nonexisting network.
I have about 600 hrs and have yet to build one single train track. Didn't even build a truck... LOL. I belt everything. I have, like, belts stacked seven high going from my main factory to outlying nodes where the belts split off to individual nodes. Some nodes I process at the miner to get specific refined resources to increase belt capacity. Same with pipes. I'm an environmentalists nightmare... Most likely, I'll start afresh for 1.0 but once I've completed the story ark again (for achievements) I'll go back to my EA save and repair it. I've spent to much time and my factory is too big to cast away.
The calmness it brings me is amazing. I get all fuzzy when I think if it. And best of all. U can kinda play it in your head also. Like planning the next factory or where the roads should go
I strongly disagree with your statement about the release date based on Steam's pricing policy. Snutt just said they would like to increase the price for version 1.0, but they "have to" do it before the release. I think the only reason is they want to increase the price and then offer a launch discount. And as a matter of fact, he did not say WHEN the price will increase he just said "after the current sale and before the 1.0".
there are more other sales too ... summer sale, autumn sale, winter sale, then of course a release sale, and someone else speculated about a "factory game sale" on steam in between. thus a window for price increase and being part of those sales might be difficult to explain, even more so if special steam sales are under NDA at first.
I think a lot of people who play "early access" do not realise that there is a bigger marketplace out there than just "early access chumps" like us. In fact, some of us will chance early access on certain games and let others develop without us. Price Point affects bottom line at close of "early access" and the launch of "stable". There are lots of people chomping at the bit and launch will see an up tick in sales as the larger demographic of casual gamers buys into the release. The other thing to consider is that setting an initial launch price too low and the subsequent DLC and promotional drives have very little wriggle room with regard to pricing, discounts/special offers etc. My $0.5 worth. YMMV.
Snutt said the Epic + Steam rules were delicate to discuss, and a 30-day cool down doesn't sound complicated to explain, especially if we can just look those rules up anyway. My question then is if their Epic exclusivity deal has rules that restrict price changes as well. Maybe they're under NDA, or maybe CS doesn't want to share them if they think people will insult Epic while CS feels like Epic doesn't deserve that hate. Another option is he knew they weren't actually delicate to discuss, but he said that to entice us to look them up and see the 30 day rule, then draw the conclusion that 1.0 could be only one month away. Otherwise, I think if it were that simple, he could have said "Steam requires 30 days, and I know you'll find that info, but don't expect it right after that".
Automated bio burners mean that all energy creating things will be set to a later tier. So, I'm scared there won't be 2 new tiers but stuff like nuclear energy will be pushed to tier 10
There'll be new tiers - there's still quantum computers and super position oscillators so I'm betting there'll be new tiers and maybe a new way of producing energy too
