Imagine pinning and hearting a post from a media analyst hack who cannot properly analyze films but rides high on getting attention because she is a cis white straight (?) girl doing that thing that usually cis white straight men do (also usually badly, actually).
My Dad loves this movie, and he introduced it to me when I was very young. I was surprised at how dark it was. There was racism, and talk of sexual assault, and self offing…I was expecting a fun dance movie, and got something MUCH more complex. It blew my mind.
In retrospect it did seem like a fun, upbeat, dance movie about having fun but yeah, watching it now that I am older it definitely is that gross, grimy, and dirty New York of the 70s
Yeah the rape scene is really disturbing because it’s normalised, Tony Monaro sits in the front of the car while a girl is getting raped in the back seat & he doesn’t bat an eyelid, his mind is preoccupied with his own thoughts and what happens to this girl is not even depicted as something wrong, just “boys-being-boys-ha-ha” and you think no wonder there’s a portion of male mentality that view women as nothing but sexual objects, & that was just friggin’ natural female place in the world …. is this movie even good as a whole? I can’t like it because of this scene - but this movie is really pretty shit
Dude, me too. I was 17 and I loved the Bee Gees cause I was a weird kid, lol. I bought this movie on DVD and the rape scene and the racism really turned me off. I watched the DVD once and just sort of let it fade away. Pretty sure my mom threw it out when I moved out, which is fine with me, lol.
Disco never died, it just went back underground. And lots of spots in North America have been able to authentically recreate the unbridled ecstasy of 70s discotheque. You just had to look for them.
I wouldn't say it even went back underground. They just started calling it dance music. Madonna and Michale Jackson were the two biggest artists of the 80's and they essentially made disco music.
Disco was rebranded as "Dance Music" as the video says. "Say So" by Doja Cat seems like disco as well as some of Lizzo's songs and Daft Punk songs. Disco also led to House music (which is also a part of Dance music). House music led to Jersey Club music (songs with that repetitive but fun sound like "Just Wanna Rock" by Lil Uzi Vert.
It's so astounding how you manage to produce so many great quality videos in such a short time period. I think remembering the "Death of Disco" as a not so subtle backlash against queer and black is all too more important in times when we have to fear for our lives just going to the club and the spaces where disco originated. Love your podcast btw. I don't want to fan girl too much, but I hope there will be many future seasons.
The premise in your comments and in this video are that disco died because straight, white males were homophobic and racist, is incorrect. I know this because I was one who fits into the category of a straight white male. My friends and peers were straight white males and many of them hated disco. They didn't hate disco because it came from gay people or from black people, they simply didn't like it! Most of these straight males didn't even know that disco came from gays or blacks, they just knew that they couldn't stand hearing Barry Gibb's falsetto voice anymore or hearing keyboards or an artificial drum track anymore.
Much as I loved it I can appreciate that many people at the time didn’t like disco for its own sake, not because of its associations. In many ways it was an acquired taste but many had no inclination to give it a chance - and there’s nothing wrong with that. I do have to say though that lots of people never really heard how varied disco could be and were only exposed to the mainstream stuff on the radio.
To expand on this: Homophobia in the 70s could be pretty bad, and still is, but it probably was not as widespread as one might think since the majority of straight white males didn’t give gay people much thought one way or the other. Also in urban settings gay men often moved about anonymously - Ironically straight guys wore silky shirts and pastel pants to THEIR discos while gay guys went to theirs in jeans, boots, and green army jackets.
The story I'd heard was that when John Travolta got the role, the studio offered to soften the character for him, so as not to hurt his image, and Travolta declined. So they probably didn't use the term "toxic masculinity" at the time, but they were nonetheless aware of what kind of character they were portraying.
@@valfanclub Technically speaking, John was already a TV celebrity at the time of filming thanks to his role in "Welcome Back Kotter." SNF obviously pushed him to a whole other level of fame, but that's hindsight. At the time, nobody knew whether he'd become a movie star, or go back to sitcoms, and if it was the latter, then playing an openly sexist and racist jackhole in a movie might not have been good for his career. According to a VH1 interview, John was flattered that they'd make the character nicer for him, but he told them it wasn't the character he'd signed up to play. He wanted to take on a more complex and challenging role than was offered by 70s era sitcoms.
@@Jaspertineit was a minimal risk at the time. Remember, pre-home video, if a movie bombed, it just got pulled from theaters and would be largely forgotten about for years until it popped up on late night TV or something. And if it’s a hit, you don’t have to worry about keeping him on a sitcom because he’s gone anyway. Also, Travolta had already been in Carrie by that time, playing one of the bully girls’ drunken oversexed boyfriends. I think he just didn’t want to tell the network he was leaving anyway.
"Disco Sucks" was dominated by douchebag, fashion-crippled, cishet white guys who had no rhythm, and couldn't dance. I'm a cishet white guy myself. I started hitting the dance clubs in DC in the late 80s (my late teens), long after the fall of disco, but during the ascendance of what came to be known as EDM. I think back on those days as transformative for me, as it introduced me to people I never would have met in my safe (largely white) bland, suburban neighborhood. I learned so much about how to relate to people who were quite different from me, yet wanting all the same things I wanted: Acceptance, community, love, and a good time. It opened my eyes, allowing me to see the world in a much broader context, and I'm now (at the age of 50) a much better man for it. Just as an aside: I've seen several interviews with the actors who portrayed Tony's friends and the actress who played Annette, talking about that SA scene. I've found it very interesting how actors, when confronted with depicting something so dark and horrific, go about coping with the situation. The actors spoke of how difficult it was to perform that scene, as this sequence was filmed very late in the production, and they had all become very close friends with Donna Pescow (Annette). She actually had to comfort them in between takes, because it was so upsetting for them to be doing this to a young woman that they had grown very fond of, and whom they deeply respected as both a fellow artist and human being. She talked about how one of them started to cry in the middle of a take, and she had to calm him down. It just gutted them. I found that very compelling. Another interesting aside: John Badham (The director of SNF) was under contract to direct the movie adaption of "The Wiz", starring Diana Ross, Michael Jackson, Nipsey Russel, and Lena Horne. However, upon reading the script for "SNF", he wanted to direct it instead. So, in order to get out of his contract, he had to get himself fired from the production of "The Wiz". He accomplished this very adroitly by going to the producers with his "unique vision" for how he would film "The Wiz". Essentially, he wanted all of it to be filmed as a POV shot from Dorothy's perspective. All the audience would see of Diana Ross would be her arms and hands, legs and feet. He was fired immediately, and made his availability to direct "SNF" known to Robert Stigwood. And the rest, as they say, is history.
Thank you sharing about the actors' experience, I always think of the people doing cruel acts on screen and the way they really feel. Also, I love your description of discovering community through the music!!
@@magical-soap5359 No problem, happy to share. I formed friendships in what had come to be called, by the 90s, The Club-Kid Scene (mostly out of New York, yet quickly extended far beyond) that have endured to this very day. Two of my closest friends, Greg and Terry, just celebrated their 17th wedding anniversary on Dec. 20th (We all still marvel over how those two fellas decided to up and get married so close to Christmas, 2005...lol). They, along with several others, are among the most rewarding friendships I have in my life. Men and women whom I love like family, and I am so fortunate that they regard me as their family. Greatest compliment I ever got from anyone that didn't involve my writing: "For a straight white boy, you sure can dance."
Or that working class people resented the hedonistic elitists during the worst times in economic history . Maybe it might make you feel less guilty about the deindustrialization of blue collar people who couldn’t partake in coke snorting and anal sex
Actors usually say that any kind of intimate scene is difficult and embarrassing to perform. I also heard that in Death Wish 2, some of the male actors were so upset about an assault scene that they threw up.
As someone who has never and will never experience the 1970s, I love hearing about disco. As a kid, disco was a shorthand insult to people/things that are dated and tacky. But growing up, hearing how much US subculture and queer culture are/were part of disco, I am loving that so many writers/journalists are sharing their findings on such a big part of the 1970s. 🥰💕
My name is Richard Dodds l am 65 years old, I was a self taught Disco dancer, love Disco music today, As it started in 1973, With groups like Kc and the Sunshine band Barry white Average white band Wild cherry, And many more bands of the disco area. I was the Tony Manaro ,Of Sioux City Iowa , Back in the 1970,s, I practiced dancing Disco dancing at my apartment, 6 days a week, I went to clubs in Sioux city Iowa, After the Gold Rush ,Grandpa's disco Hilton Disco, The Jockey club, Staircase Disco in Storm Lake Iowa, Also the joker Disco in Omaha Nebraska, Also clubs in Stark'ers club in Kansas city Missouri, In the 1970,s dancing Disco was part of my life, Just to keep in shape today, I dance to this music, To keep my heart strong and mind and in shape. Long live this music forever, Sincerely Richard Dodds, So Sioux City Nebraska,
Funny because the resentment for the superficial hedonism of disco culture happening in a hard economic downturn much in the same way people resent wokeness now
When I read comments made by young people of today expressing themselves about that period, it sounds like regret. Yes, it was fun, it was wild, and it was outlandish. Disco could only have happened in the 1970s. Not the 60s or the 80s. America had a sexual revolution during that period and sex won hands down. We now had freedom and we took advantage of it. Men and women wanted to be together, lusted after each other, and the dance floor was the mating ritual leading up to a night of hedonism for everyone. The whole disco explosion lasted roughly five solid years. Could that kind of freedom take place today in 2023? No. But the dark side did show itself and between drugs and AIDS many people simply disappeared. All things come to an end, but for those who we’re old enough to participate in that come one come all party called the 1970s, it will never be forgotten😊👍🏻
I'm one of those people who would be able to answer what the plot of Saturday Night Fever is, mostly because I watched it when I was (probably) too young to. It's one of my mother's favorite movies and I wanted to see what it was about, and it really surprised me to see how dark it was. I was only expecting it to be a fluffy dance movie when, in reality, it was closer in tone to a character study in the vein of Taxi Driver, as you've said, and I feel that it should be remembered as such. The fact that it's only known for it's glamorous disco aesthetic alone, completely removed of the contents of the movie, makes actually watching it a very dissonant experience for most and it feels a bit unfair to the movie's legacy.
Along with the new Hollywoodness of the film it reminds me of British new wave films - Room at the Top, Saturday Night, Sunday Morning, Billy Liar etc. films about working class young men with dead end jobs trying to navigate the contours of class and masculinity. Nick Kent’s write up seem to basically transposing Arthur Seaton from the 1950s Nottingham pubs and fairgrounds of Saturday Night, Sunday Morning to the Brooklyn disco scene of the 70s
No matter what I always love hearing about the history of disco. Maybe because growing up I wasn't fully aware of it's origins. It was always that genre that people seemed to make fun and find cheesy. People would talk about it in a way completely removing it's origins of being deep in black and queer culture and now that it's being talked about so much more I have such a love for the sound, that time and what it's done for the culture.
Phenomenal work! If anyone wants to dig a little deeper into this subject I highly recommend the work of Tim Lawrence. "Love Saves the Day" and "Life and Death on the New York Dance Floor" are superbly written accounts of NYC during the 70s and 80s. His podcast with Jeremy Gilbert, "Love is the Message", is also a phenomenal listen if you're at all interested in the intersection of music, politics, economics, and culture at large.
Yes 'love saves the day' is amazing! A really thorough read. Also the documentary 'come as you are' (free on RU-vid) about the legacy of the loft and house music is a great one.
I just watched Saturday Night Fever a few months ago for the first time and am still absolutely in love with it. It's a fun, exuberant but also tough, dark film about a young man learning that he has to get his shit together. Let's say I highly related to that and needed it.
@@ilibanawell, as unpleasant as it is, that is what the reality is like. Young men simply don't care. Or very little. Underground scenes for all their shine are brutal.
You highly relate to a man who shamed the woman for being assaulted? It’s fascinating how straight men like you refuse to care for anyone else, while completely missing the point of this video.
What happened to Disco reminds me so much of what has occured to the reggaeton genre in Latin America. It used to be the underground music of poor neighborhoods in the carribean. At one point it was even criminalized in Puerto Rico. Now its one of the most popular genre but its a shadow of its former self with white latines at the forefront.
@@leticiadornelas4555 I was thinking about brazilian funk the entire time during this video! I remember vividly the war against funk, it permeated brazilian internet and social media everywhere you went during the late 2000s to mid 2010s. and it comes as no surprise at all: the ones that promoted the most anti-funk speech and shaming were the rocker kids. anyway, we all know wich one out-lived which...
i'm brazilian and i find my experience in clubs very insteresting. as a woman, i never felt comfortable and safe at what i call "straight parties", because the gender performance was so strict and i was harassed all the time, i just couldn't let loose and have fun. is like guys were not able to do it, so they wouldn't let women do it lol. so i always hung out at lgbt parties, i always felt more safe, accepted and the songs were much better. but when i started clubbing, i noticed that some of the straight guys my age were going to lgbt clubs to get the "good girls" (whatever that means), so they had to coexist with lgbt people and even get harassed by them - i also noticed that those guys were more open to be lgbt friendly and also experiment with their sexuality as well. so maybe things are getting better?
Understandable! I’m bi so am a member of the community, but I’ve always felt safer and just free to have fun in LGBT+ spaces over “straight” bars etc. visiting my first gay club was such a moment for me. I didn’t feel like I was being peeves on constantly.
I may be a metalhead to the core, but I can still get down to some classic disco or funk. There's just something alluring about losing yourself to the beat and vibing out. Sometimes you need to balance out the angst with some boogie. And it will never get old watching KISS trying do dance music, lol.
Hands down, this is one of the best docs about "SNF" (and the disco movement) that I've watched on YT. Another great "character study" film to see (obliviously influenced by "SNF") is called "Tony Manero". It's set in war torn South America in the late 70's and focuses on a middle aged sociopathic male who's obsessed with the "SNF" film. There's a televised dance contest that he wants to enter and it shows the brutal path he takes to get there. Thank you for posting your fantastic video.
Great video and a take on SNF i never thought about, but extremely compelling. My mom is a huge Travolta fan so I grew up watching this movie (along with the Stayin' Alive sequel) and as far as I'm concerned, Annette's rape scene has Always been a massive trauma for me, to the point where i can't bring myself to watching the film. So thanks for the insight, i really appreciated it!
as someone whos obsessed with disco and its countercultural roots, i couldnt be more overjoyed by seeing you make such a great video discussing these topics
Fantastic video. I was 13 when Saturday Night Fever came out, and my mom took us to see it (though she was upset with the violence of it) I loved disco dancing and recall practicing The Hustle and The Bump in the girls locker room with other kids. There was definitely a factor of the rock kids coming down hard on disco, but there was also a factor of the popular kids (who weren’t the dedicated hard rock kids, they were considered “burnouts”) turning disco into their own power play (who had the most expensive gold jewelry or Quiana shirt). It became over-saturated and commercial, with one disco radio station in San Francisco airing an especially cringey ad featuring wacky grandparents gyrating on the dance floor. At some point the average person “moved on”. Thankfully there has been a strong movement to reclaim what disco signified to begin with.
This video couldn't have come at a better time. I only just watched this film for the first time, on Christmas day no less, because my family and I thought it would be a fun disco film. Needless to say I was quite shocked and confused. I wasn't sure how much I had a misunderstanding of disco culture or whether the film wanted me to find it ironic that someone who hates latinos and black people and gays would love disco. I also had that classic issue of watching an old film and not being sure what of Tony and his friend's behaviour I was meant to find off-putting. It was obvious that the film was meant to show Tony's disillusionment with what he once considered to be the most important of status symbols (winning dance competitions, winning fights with latinos, and having sex with as many women as possible). Yet there was something about the whole affair that made it stick in my throat slightly...
@willowsilver1284 Congratulations. You watched an actual film with characters portraying real life people who are complex- both good and bad - like YOU and me. It's called Realism.
I watched this movie with my mom a while ago. She has a habit of forgetting the tone of movies and I always end up watching something more upsetting than I signed up for. This was her pick one night I was pretty annoyed bc I wanted to watch a fun dance movie but it was really interesting since I’d never seen that side of disco.
I remember thinking it was going to be a fun musical. All I ever heard about was the white suit, the dancing and the music. Instead it was very bleak, and what happened to Annette killed the whole movie for me. It made me cry. I don’t mind gritty dramas, but I felt violated and totally duped.
So my homeroom music teacher took a handful of us girls out to see Saturday Night Fever when it first came out. I was in my mid teens and boy it changed my life. I was not going to be Annette. I was going to be Stephanie. Disco still lives in my heart, kinda like a dead relative you reach out to during difficult times.
Disco only died after 1979 on the hot 100 and pop radio. It was still huge in underground communities and on the dance club charts and was renamed to post disco (or sometimes boogie) and gave birth to house music in Chicago
Hmmm not Chicago. It was in New York. Frankie Knuckles slowed the best down, but kept the 4 on the floor so the breakers could b-boy to it. It just wasn’t called house until Frankie loved to Chicago and worked at The Warehouse; hence House Music. I’m NY, rap was king during this time, but Chicago kept the house going and became home. But, make no mistake, it started in NY. You can go to a Philadelphia’s own (my hometown) First Choice and listen to “Let No Man Put Asunder”, and house is all through it, and that was in early 80’s. However, yes, Chicago IS house!!!!
I love Saturday Night Fever. My wife and I always dance to whatever Fever song at every wedding reception. It's all good as long as NO ONE HITS MY HAIR!
The word "disco" in Swedish morphed to mean any nightclub where you'd dance, so over here you had young, hip people saying they were going to "a disco" long after the music genre had died out. Back when I used to go out drinking in the late 90s/early 2000s you either went to a bar or "a disco", though IIIRC some people were starting to use the word "nattklubb" (nightclub) instead by then, so maybe younger Swedes won't recognize this at all.
It might be the same in germany too... I think my parents still say disco (even though they were both born in the late 70s, so obviously did not see much of disco in its prime), but anybody my age says 'club'
Discothèque or disco for short, gave its name to the movement. A disco is a place were records are spun and people dance to them, although it has now been replace by" club".
Just like Discothèque gave its name to the Disco movement, now Club is giving its name to Jersey Club music (with songs like "Just Wanna Rock" by Lil Uzi Vert and Boy's a Liar Pt. 2 by PinkPantheress and Ice Spice). I find it interesting how music changes and evolves. Jersey Club music takes inspiration from House which takes Inspiration from Disco.
This movie really frustrated me when I watched it for the first time recently. I was expecting a fun dance movie, but, while the dancing is pretty spectacular, it's far from a fun movie. I still have complicated feelings on it, but I appreciate the points and perspective you have and make on it. It's definitely a fascinating modern watch, especially as a fan of disco derived music.
I understand what disco movement is about. I also use dance music (trance) for escapism. Nothing else works better for me to release the tension than going to a music festival with friends. I even visited few countries because I wanted to go to festivals there. Always an adventure, always positive emotions. It's like a therapy
The one thing I really love about ABBA, despite its whitewashing of the genre, is that they really branched out. Their disco tracks are actually my least favorite. They wrote so many wacky songs in their first albums and than Bjorn and Benny became extremely contemplative in their last album “The Visitors”. But even though their interpretation of disco lost some of the core soul, they were still very good tracks, especially “Voulez-vous”. It’s hard to rectify that sometimes when I know it’s really not what disco was meant to be. Can you tell I was indoctrinated on disco?
Abba? You mean those toothless harbingers of pretty much everything wrong with so much pop music since? Those obnoxious precursors to the scourge that is eurodance?
It is funny to me that just about everything said about Disco also applies to Punk Rock in London, NYC, LA, SF [and maybe Sydney/Melbourne but I don't know enough about those scenes culturally to say for sure] in the same time period... it was a haven for LBGTQ and minorities (largely Lantinx, Asian, and mixed race people) , a lot of women were involved, it scared the straights, it was largely co opted by toxic maleness in the early 80s or repackaged and sold as 'New Wave' to the yippies, it was on the surface as much about image/fashion as the music, the clubs are legendary, drugs and AIDS decimated the 1st generation of the scene early embrace of Rap/Hip Hop, notable dance styles the music was attacked by critics as 'not music' and for being 'basic'
😂, ok, So Ramones, Sex Pistols and the Clash were LGBTQ and minorities! Lol, dude you cant rewrite history because you want to stuff your woke ideology into everything that ever existed! Some of us were actually there so your post is ridiculous.
I got autoplayed into a fan-made music video for Stayin' Alive one time, and I was shocked. It couldn't convey the full depths of the depravity but it made me realise how messed up it is! I was really excited to watch this just so I'd know more about it. This kind of nuanced appreciation is informative and needed.
R&B/soul never really died. Many bands that thrived on disco eventually moved on to post-disco experimentation post-1979, going on to carve a smaller yet still successful subset of pop culture in the 1980s with the emergence of contemporary R&B as a punchier, updated spiritual successor to disco. It continues to carry the banner alongside house music and hip-hop music.
I really adore this movie, as it showed the darker side of the disco era, and how Tony eventually realises how shallow and pointless that whole lifestyle is. It's extremely bleak, compared to the more lighthearted "Grease."
Original Grease was a lot grittier too there’s a video on the drama dorks channel called “the sanitisation of grease” I found it really interesting check it out :)
I was born a year before Saturday Night Fever came out. Growing up and still today, its music continues to be popular in my country, but many people talk about the movie as something cheesy from that time. I watched it for the first time when I was 20 years old, and I was stunned!!! It's a shame people misjudge this movie. Thank you for such a great video. I learned a great deal and my love of Saturday Night Fever increased even if it was based on a lie. There's a lot to appreciate in it as a piece of art. And in Disco music too!!!
Cheesy? No. But that's what those who don't look below the surface think. Fortunately, you recognize and appreciate this film's many layers and messages.
I remeber being at a bar in a touristy European city that didnt see a lot of Americans. The bartender told me that it used to be so hard for them to pick a good playlist "we get people from all over and all ages so now we just play disco because everybody loves disco". He said it so matter of factly too. It hit me then: Americans hate disco because they lack the capacity...it's all the coca cola and protestantism...makes them terrible dancers.
My problem with Disco (as well as Grunge at beginning of 90's and currently Reggeton in Latin America) is that each of these genres of Musica seemed to completely supplant all other forms of music and pushed them completely off the radio in their respective times .... I'm not a country music fan, but country and rock seemed to coexistence at the same time , many times even on the same station .... you can't even listen to a Latin radio station currently that plays Regetton and hear anything else .... its sad
I'm a Disco Dance teacher. This dance style is still alive in Europe thanks to competition organized by IDO. It changed a lot in 40 years but the spirit is still there!
Great video, loved it ! I don't have much attachement to Saturday Night Fever, but I am tirelessly in love with Disco. But a few of points you brought up in the video I happen to have read similar points to them in a fantastic book called "Turn The Beat Around: The Rise And Fall Of Disco" by Peter Shapiro. It's a book that is mostly focused on Disco and its unknown history. Mind you, he is very vocal about his taste, but clearly passionate. If anyone here wants to learn more in depth about Disco, this book is a great start, and a great companion piece to this video.
I love this video, thanks so much for producing it! One thing to note additionally: the popularity of Saturday Night Fever was boosted even more when the producers made a PG-13 cut in 1978. The "grit" of the original version was heavily sanitized, perhaps giving an even less genuine portrayal of what the disco scene really was.
Very interesting and thoughtful documentary. I was born in the late 60s and so the 70s was very much part of my early childhood and resonated with me a lot. I never really found the Bee Gees etc sterile as such (You Should Be Dancing is incredible record with a lot of uniqueness) although there were a lot of terrible disco records around in that era. When I was in my early 20s I discovered Salsoul LPs which were an important element of early disco and that was very much a mixed bag, also a lot of discofied jazz funk... like you alluded to I think a big part of the early disco movement was not the music itself but the event and what DJs did with the material. I'm intrigued that I've not really come across a satisfactory answer to what was the first disco record...
Disco, as in the music genre, never died. It just became mainstream pop by the early 80s. Modern pop music today is still basically disco. Madonna, Britney, Beyonce...it's all basically disco just with different production techniques. The clubs themselves were replaced by dance clubs. Even some traditionally rock based clubs have moved towards having a DJ that plays music designed to be danced to. Now, not liking disco makes you the outsider...like me lol. I'm a queer person who just so happens to not enjoy throbbing bass lines and finds that kind of music either uninteresting or irritating.
thank you for this history, and as a dancer, I have now more stories to tell. Few things not told in this short documentary about Saturdat Night Fever: 1. John has one substitute.........where he compares the new boots with his own. That person is a substitute. 2. The original music used in first place, they did no have the rights to, hence they contacted Bee Gees. Also, in some places, they dancers are out of sync with the music and this might be due to it is another song, they actually dance to, as said in the movie, Bee Gees music was later dubbed. 3. The crew and cast had their problems with the MOB I vividly remember, when saw this movie in Copenhagen, Denmark. That began my dancing career as a professional dancer. Still dancing at 60.
Very interesting essay. I lived during the seventies as a child and a per-adolescent, and I lived all the Hype of Disco. I still have all my Disco record 46 years later. It was a walk down memory lane too watch this video. I remember my older brother enthralled by the image of Tony Manero, and I dare to say that he modeled his persona influenced by that character. I remember seeing him going out at night with his buddies to the disco wearing his white suit. Disco and this movie were so influential in so many ways. I listen to any of the songs of the era and feel transported to that happy time. Yes, I lived it from the perspective of a young kid, but the influence of Disco was so great that it infused the life of young kids, too. I remember that a weekly show in Venezuela created a contest called "The Mini John Travolta" where kids dressed like Tony Manero danced like he did in the picture. That show, as far as I can remember, ran for months.
Aspiring musicologist here, the Bee Gees were moving toward an R&B sound via working with famed producer Arif Mardin and never considered themselves disco. They never read the script to Saturday Night Fever and instead sent songs they were already working on independently without intentionally trying to imitate disco but rather aiming for a new refreshing, R&B sound that happened to be compared to disco but was really centered around the new falsetto sound they found in 75. The documentary "How Can You Mend A Broken Heart" covers this well including interviewing DJ Nicky Siano regarding the demise of disco and its roots.
This was one of my favorite movies as a kid. When I watched it again in my 20’s I couldn’t believe how racist it is. Thank you for this wonderful breakdown. Im going to watch it again.
I do feel that it is a little ahistorical to refer to 'I feel love' vocal delivery as a hallmark of authentic disco and then later make reference to Moroder and eurodsico as representing disco's movement away from it's soulful roots, when they are one and the same, as Moroder produced it. Early disco tended to have much stronger vocal performances than Ms Summer was capable of, and I say this as a fan of hers. If Noah Polyphonic wanted to make a case for this, her song 'Love to love you baby' would have been a better example as it came out some time earlier. Excellent video though!!
Because of Disco, the Bee Gees earlier music (“New York Mining Disaster 1941”, “To Love Somebody”, “Massachusetts”, “I Got To Get a Message To You, “I Started a Joke”,” How Can You Mend a Broken Heart” and others) from 1967-1972 totally disappeared from existence.
Very late to the comments and I was born just after disco ended. One theory I heard about the mainstreaming of disco, which is plausible, was that a lot of the older record executives, read people alive during the big band era, liked disco because it kind of reminded them of that era in terms of how polished it could be and that it was dance music compared to most rock during the 70s.
Another thing people don’t seem to get is that the version of disco in SNF and the reality of disco at New York’s Studio 54 are so different from each other it almost doesn’t seem like it was the same cultural phenomenon.
12 inch disco production reveals the climax of modern music art. To listen quietly. Disco dies then reborns, like any type of genuine art soathing body & soul
Amazing video, watched it yesterday and keep catching myself replaying ideas from it and daydreaming about disco. Never seen the movie but a huge fan of disco. Fascinating history!
Great video! By the way, Disco didn't stay dead. Despite it becoming a punchline repeated for 30 or so years, it ended up influencing the styles and sounds of a lot of modern artists. And there even have been hits in the genre during the past 10-15 years. I don't mean songs that are similar to disco or that created a new sub-genre; I mean songs that by all intents and purposes have the structure to qualify as disco. Songs by Daft Punk, Bruno Mars, Dua Lipa, etc...
Bee Gees became associated with disco but wasn't a disco group (as they made clear themselves several times just after the release of SNF). Bee Gees wrote the music for their next album when they were approached by their manager Robert Stigwood who was producing SNF (and had concluded a three movie deal with Travolta) and who asked them if they could write music for the film. They already had finished writing the songs for their next album and which then was used for the soundtrack itself (apart from Stayin' Alive which was made for the movie and which the Gibb brothers were very clear wasn't about dancing but surviving in the streets of New York). As they said in early 1978 just after the movie had been released, their disco song had been You Should Be Dancing from 1976 (and which also was used in SNF).
Your commentary really makes me want to revisit Saturday Night Fever. When I watched it a few years back, I took it at face value and thought Tony and his friends were massive jerks for their behavior and declared the movie to be terrible. After all, why would I watch a movie about awful people? But after breaking it down the way you did, I kind of want to watch it again to see what I missed.
Brilliant take on the topic. But one interesting aspect to me was that in many ways, the blue print for Saturday night fever is very much the Northern Soul scene. The working class, white male dominated dance floor with soundtrack from black artists is very reminiscent of it and knowing the book that inspired the film was written by a British writer inspired by Brit subculture makes perfect sense!
Decent introspection on the film, but my only complaint is the bridge metaphors. The bridge they crossed to get into Manhattan is the Brooklyn Bridge. The Maranzano bridge goes to Staten Island. And at the end of the film, he hast to be riding across the Manhattan bridge which is the only above groundsubway line that crosses with a bridge. You might want to learn more about your New York City geography
Saturday Night Fever put out more the Greaser culture which is very Italian. John Travolta stared in both Saturday Night Fever and Grease at the same time. Most people I know have a cross over of the two movies ingrained in their mind.
the movie had more to do with the mainstream birth of disco, than anything to do with its death. musically disco is simply funk with a drum-machine rather than a drummer. repetitive funk if you will. it only existed way underground in 75, and was gaining traction in 76. early 77 "saturday night fever" came out, and we headed towards its peak. in 78 and most of 79, disco dominated radio and nearly all of mainstream u.s. culture. later 79 more and more people complained about cheesy disco songs like "i was made for loving you" by kiss. but it was far from dead. 1980 we had "funky town" and "knock on wood" owning the charts. it went from being america's music (early77 to mid 79) to a decline (late 79 to early 81) to fully deceased (late 81-early 82). how would a 1977 movie cause its "death" several years later? as far as homophobia and disenfranchised people, i didnt even realize the association until i was well into adulthood. i was there though in the disco era, and judging it musically, it had more time than it deserved. the "disco sucks" movement of 80-81 was about the monotonous rhythm and limited musicality of the genre, not about racism or whatever. this post-narrative is a lot of lies by today's woke culture. and "saturday night fever" was hugely involved in making it far bigger than it was ever meant to be. quit being butt-hurt about this. replies to the contrary must come from people over 57 years old. otherwise shut up you were under 11 when disco was popular. im a saxophonist by profession and im not interested in debating the point that disco is the most ultra-simple crap that ever existed before the auto-tune era that began after 2005-06. ill add that i love SOME disco songs, and that in general, its far better than the stuff of the past 10-12 years, when we have fairly obviously reached artistic rock bottom.
Growing up in the 70s in a very white suburb, I remember hanging out next door trying to learn disco dancing. I remember disliking the ‘disco’ versions of songs where everything was put to the same tempo/drum beat. I guess it was more fun to dance to in a club , but it got boring on the radio. Especially when the songs weren’t exactly dance music in the first place.
