What? Like sexuality? Unless I missed no one in this show is anything but straight. As ya know Tolkien being oldfashioned I imagine a single gay characters would have sent the fans into a rage
That fits with his character, he’s a master manipulator, it’s like the only thing the show did relatively well, just funny they never got rights to the silmarillion so they couldn’t use annatar
@zaalrottunda2804 the god of Tolkien's world, created the Maiar and Valar first. Then they sang the world into existence. Don't know how else to spell it out to you plainly. The music was the breaking of the silence. So he was born before the breaking of the first silence.
Also only introducing 2 horses on the 3rd episode in a fantasy where they are the main mode of transport.. Elves just running swimming and straight up Skyrim fast travelling to locations before the 3rd episode 😂😂😂 fucking trash! I’m convinced this show was made to launder money or something because there is no way they spent a billion on it 🤣
@@halfbloodlordofwesterosI haven't seen rop and seeing him at first I thought he was Aragon and thought he was going to say that he is Aragon ofcourse 😂
To be honest, his methods were indeed once of gifting fabolous gifts and knowledge! Eregion, Numenor fell because of his gifts and knowledge, sure, for a time they became powerful beyond their wildest dreams... Till it was too late to realize Sauron had deceived them all
@@brinstarmedia1411 Wdym "even worse". He could act on his own desires when Morgoth was gone. His desires are actually OK and are even very good when compared to morgoth. Sauron wanted order and peace. What he didn't want is to destroy like what Morgoth wanted. Sauron wanted peace as well. He offers it to everybody even in LOTR. Take when the mouth of Sauron offers it to Aragorn. The difference is that in LOTR, the Elves and Men are more honourable and have greater potential than Sauron. In this show they don't. Sauron is more honourable and provides better options than the elves.
@@Jester343 i agree with everything you said. I didn’t mean he became worse than Morgoth. I meant Sauron became worse in comparison to the role sauron had played during the first age and before.
@brinstarmedia1411 Sauron: I feel bad for what I did? Valar: Bad enough to stand trial for war crimes? Sauron: Worse, bad enough to illegally border-hop and commit identity fraud. Valar: What does that have to do with- Annatar: New phone who dis?
@@ceooftoast8118 yeah its ridiculous , its a failure on itself to corrupt the story so much, but it is also an absolutely stupid piece of garbage entertainment to watch as well. Then there is the Acting, build ups, character development, world building, direction, story, but also the horrid look of the show, as if its some sort of sitcom in middle earth that cost way too much to be this utterly bad, thay all were a failure in so many ways.
This was probably the best and most accurate aspect of the show. Sauron was a cunning deceiver who appeared angelic to everyone he encountered during this time, it was a way of people trusting him. There’s plenty to complain about in terms of the show but this is the one thing they actually got right.
@@mar2506halbrand is not angelic in the show though. I remember that when they first introduced him on screen I immediately said "that's Sauron". Then for weeks the media proposed literally every character as Sauron,as if the people watching the show were idiots. Guess what: unsurprisingly Sauron was Halbrand,speaking about the great deceiver
@@niccologregorutti neither was annatar. annatar was an elf ,not angelic just impressive looking. halbrand was human for all we know, annatar can look like halbrand, only taller.
@@3AMinTrusiveThoughts halbrand is not angelic, neither was annatar. he just had elf looking for all we know real sauron as annatar could have looked like halbrand , only taller. . we don't have any info about annatar rather than him having an elf form. if he is not vanyar, he probably has black hair as well
I love how she brought this guy in and put all upcoming events into motion and just doesn’t tell anyone. Good for you, girl. Let the men figure it out for themselves.
For real. My biggest issue with S2 is the whole plot revolving around a contrivance that galadriel didn't tell GilGalad or Celebrimbor that Halbrand was Sauron.... Because.... Well because she didn't want too..... Because she...... Ugh she just didn't want too? So now we have eregion falling, Celebrimbor dead and 16 rings of power to destroy both the dwarven and human race..... Because she just couldn't tell celebrimbor Halbrand has Sauron. Because yeah.
This show managed to completely trivialise some major players in the LOTR story. Completely trivialise them It turned sauron from cruel lord commanding thousands of monsters to handsome dude who was just misunderstood. Turned Galadriel from a Lady of a Noble house to some teen out to prove herself a soldier. This is teen fan fiction not Tolkien.
In the later parts of The Silmarillion, Sauron is written as having a “pleasing” form and did indeed pass himself off as a helpful advisor in order to gain the trust of (and later corrupt) men - until he realised the rings of power could to do the work for him. But to your point, the clips I’ve seen of the show paint a story closer to a soap opera. I don’t think there’s a problem with the actors, just the story.
@Duane-bi7wk agreed. I simply made an observation, and he responded by saying I needed glasses. He could've just said, "That's not how I saw it." But sadly, politeness is no longer the way of the world
Cmon. Yall need to realize that making him the most likable character was literally THE POINT. How could he have gotten past the elves without a FLAWLESS performance???
Well, maybe it would Seem more natural if the elves weren’t portrayed as witless, narcissistic, assholes and the men of numenor as rednecks 😅 there is no nuance to the characters 🤷🏻♂️
Exactly, as Sauron when taken to Numenor as a prisoner, within a few weeks had the ear of the king and became his chief advisor all while plotting Numenor’s downfall. He was able to deceive the great Numenoreans to rebel against the Ban and fooled them into thinking they could wrest eternal life from the Ainur and thus bringing the wroth of Illuvitar down upon them. Eru (the one) drowned Numenor under the sea and so great was the seas wroth that Sauron himself, overreached his purpose and went down with them and forever loosing his ability to look beautiful. But as we know his Spirit arose like a dark cloud and after many years returned to Mordor and there he took up the power of the Ring again.
How they managed to make Sauron the most likeable character in the show and Galadriel (of all characters) the most unlikable is genuinely beyond me…this show had me routing for him.
@@deusvult6164 I mean true, but Galadriel was supposed to be likable because she is the main character and she is of noble blood. Sauron should have deceptive looks, bro just looks like the OP version of Aragorn
It wasn't? Heard Willow was bad too. I couldn't even Fathom that cuz Willow was amazing with Val Kilmer which made it super funny too! The Dikeenies too!
Lmao. Now you have to return the favor. Today is the day that you replace the Writers of the strike. Make them look the best with what you do. Fix his face like you do for the The Real Housewives of Hollywood. Best MUA in all of New York and Little Italy 🇮🇹
Tbh he's like the one redeemable aspect of the entire show, I feel like they got him right from reading Tolkien's sagas from the 1st and 2nd ages as well as early third age, albeit not much Sauron around then being focused on.
The show might be a little subpar, but you have to admit Charlie Vickers (Halbrand/Sauron) did an amazing job. His smile was friendly at first, but when Galadriel said "your *real* name, his smile turned menacing.
@@jaydenchui5948 and another glaring (and unbelievably stupid, I have to admit) wrong move is Galadriel's and Elrond's friendship or whatever. Canonically speaking, Galadriel is 20000+ years older than Elrond (Galadriel was born in The Years of The Trees 1362, and Elrond is born somewhere in the First Age).
Man I don’t understand the hate for this show. It was honestly really good, and even though it wasn’t 100% lore accurate, it was still extremely enjoyable to watch. Yeah, the action was usually small scale, but I think that’s the point for now.
I mean maybe I wasn’t paying attention well but from what I remember he never told her he was the king’s heir she just assumed lol. Also Sauron said himself “No not dark, not with you” which makes me think everything could’ve gone differently if they’d just let him have his peace lol
Sauron: Sauron lives BECAUSE OF YOU!!! Galadriel: And you will DIE because of me!!! Sauron: I'm NOT in danger, Galadriel! I AM the danger!!! I'm THE ONE who knocks!!!!
I really liked it beside of all the hate .. sauron was a master manipulater and whas know to even fool the most beautiful elves and men. Deep down he is a monster with a vision. And he will do anything to get there including masking himself as a beautiful man to gain strength and trust
Sauron portrayal is the best aspect of Rings of Power. Playing Sauron of many shapes and faces and I totally enjoy watching him see portraying different faces and moods and how easy he lies.
@@Mephisto3111 nah its just the hopeless simps that think its going to be exactly like the books who hate it. If you treat it as its own thing its really good. Especially the actor that plays sauron.
@@ThatGuy-js6mu it shouldn't be it's own thing. They have the books as reference for a reason. If they want to change the story, then they shouldn't make a LoTR series. Make an amazon original that's a completely brand new IP. Simple as that. The fans that don't actually know the lore are the ones who like this show. And yes, the actual fans are upset bc they fucked up the story
I still prefer the more elvish looking Sauron than the one we got, to me him taking elf form as long as he did and betraying them hits harder when he looks like one of them.
Isn't that what a great villian does. He makes you enjoy his company, sparks feeling of cheating on your husband. But all with smile and promises of respect. As the book said, he was disguised as a gift giver and a friend, untill the deception was revealed.
This series is fucking horrible. If you disagree with me, just tell me who the fuck Halbrand is? Sauron maybe? Well actually Sauron has many name but Halbrand? Seriously? In the Tolkien Universe, Sauron once took the form of an elve to "help" the elves making the differents Rings of Power (but NOT the 3 who belongs to the elves, which is the reason why they are not corrupted) and guess what, Tolkien actually give him a name. Annatar. Yes Annatar, not Halbrand. The reason of what this amazon show sucks is because the original story was butchered by Amazon Prime for litteraly no reason.
@@lilianbieth9275you're right about that, but come to think of it, except for some dialogues and scenes it went pretty smooth with hallbrand, as someone who hasn't read the books i didn't feel much disturbance (definitely not as much as i did with star wars and percy jackson)
Reading the actual Silmarillion really brought to light just how evil Sauron was even to the point of implementing human sacrifice and burnings in a Melkor death cult among the Numenoreans before the Rings of Power took place. I know that Hollywood is gonna Hollywood, but it would have been something to see them make a more accurate depiction of events if they had some agreement with Christopher Tolkien.
There are countless problems with this show, but if I'm being honest, I really liked Sauron's depiction. They did some lore-bending stuff with him, but the actor and the character itself I really enjoy.
@@deusvult6164yeah, the Jackson trilogy gets a lot of praise, and they are great movies, but they do deviate so much from the books. Sauron had a physical form, he just couldn't leave Barad Dur. Also, he couldn't see Frodo whenever he put on the ring. The scenes where Frodo has these hallucinations of the eye when he puts the ring on are Jackson fiction.
@@garymac5571the eye was more there to remind audiences of saurons presence. In the deleted scenes, it does show sauron in his physical form when speaking to aragorn by palantir. The 2 assistant producers in commentary explain this, as they wanted to remind the audience of saurons power and presence. I feel tge flaming eye is just fine, however my gripe is Jackson's movies make it seem like sauron is literally the eye. Like he's a dormant eye rather than the original intention of tolkein that he's ever present and everywhere. I looove Jackson's movies, but they should have explained sauron a lot more, including gandalf. My parents watched the trilogy so many times and they had no idea gandalf is basically an angel and sauron is a shadow God, they thought sauron was literally just the strongest orc. And gandalf was an old man. They looked at me like I was crazy explaining everything, then they ended up watching tons of lore videos on RU-vid now they love the movies way more. At least the eye isn't completely fabricated and insulting like alot of this show does, so I don't mind it too much.
During this scene I didn't really feel shocked but in this sdit I actually felt something I felt tension and betrayal, how is that possible?! Amazing job! 😎👍
@@TheDeviousBandit you know what’s ironically funny about them being in Eregion? Celebrimbor Pretty Boy built the city near the mountains due to the high supply of Mithril….. that he now has never heard of. 😉🙄🥴😂
I love how he really didn’t need to do much to deceive her. She literally wanted him to be king he just went along with everything to put her between a rock and a hard place later.
