thank you for the year of learning. and may this year be prosperous for you and everyone who supports your channel. Best wishes and God always in your heart
i love watching you guys. at work im lead machinist (the only one) the guy before me worked here for 10 years and didn't do much. i have touched or remade majority of his programs and cut nearly all cylces in half half while keeping bosses 80% maximum. i love all the fancy tools y'all use maybe one day i can own something fancy but for now i will enjoy working on my swiss 32,20s. and mazaaks
You will get there dude. That's where I was at one point. I don't know why exactly I did it at the time but I would take manuals home and read them in my free time just to get better at what I did. Then I became an applications engineer for a company that sold DN solutions, Citizen and Miyano. After that I moved onto Titans. I KNOW IT SOUNDS CORNY but if you put the hammer down and push your knowledge in this field you may just replace me at Titans one day.
@@donniehinske i got in trouble for taking them home. so i started taking them home secretly lol. so far the machines i seem to have the least experience in are the mitsubishi sinkers and edms. but ive seen some of the stuff done with them and its just beautiful
@@OpaqueWindow yea man that’s smart. It’s also smart to see what machines you can learn to help make the company more money. Worst case scenario is you learn more and make yourself more valuable. If the company that you work for doesn’t see your growing value I am positive another one will.
That was an awesome video! You are FUNNY, and boy... do you talk fast. Keep it up, that was a funny, interesting, and educational video all at the same time. What else can anyone need?! Ciao, Marco.
Sweet !!! make somthing for old turret lathes !!!! would be a nice time saver !! I will buy tool preseets for my old lathe in a heartbeart take my money put them in the store.
I've seen your videos about Swiss machines and I absolutely fell in love with these machines. I've actually worked with Swiss machines from Fehlmann for some time. I would be excited if you guys would check them out.
This is a good question! good eye! So the reason being is because the way a swiss machine works. I have to do my part in sections because the material being supported in the guide bushing is ESSENTIAL. If you watch again you will see my first cut is wayyyyy longer than the support of the guide bushing BUT I left the other two sides of the part untouched. Those two little sections are all that is supporting the machining processes. Which means I have to do those sides in sections. which is why you saw that I debured it twice.
We had a Tornos 6x16 multi swiss at my workplace for a bit. Loved the controller almost as much as my Nakamura's NT smart X system. Will you guys ever touch on Nakamura machines in the future?
@@jsirius94 they were originally called Swiss lathes as they were designed for making very small watch components. Think citizen watches, they actually have a good selection of machines. One of the biggest problems is the bar stock slides through a guide bush which requires lubricant in almost all situations . This means that the cutting area is totally hidden in lubricant making it difficult to see what is happening. Hope that helps. Jp
@@akingbrew how is espirit? I just started as an engineer at a swiss company and I've heard there aren't any good cam software for swiss programming so like Donnie we do it by hand. Although most of the programming seems easy to read and get it to do what you want, there's gotta be an easier way than by hand.
@@donniehinske Thanks Donnie. I have been using Mastercam SwisCam for the past 3 years and am currently in the process of moving to the new MasterCam Swis offering. Hoping to get it installed and trained this month. Would be really interested to hear your taughts on the New MasterCam swis offering?
@@BedroomMachinist it is definitely a learning curve. It feels like Esprit developed it back in the early 2000s and have only done enough updating to keep it working on newer operating systems but the whole feel of the software is definitely early 2000s vibes. Quite a poor user interface. We've definitely managed to hone it in though and once you get the processes down and develop your tool library and templates for certain operations it is drastically faster then hand programming. Being able to simulate the part being made and seeing it all run inside of your actual machine is helpful to make sure there are no crashes. Any good swiss operator or programmer should definitely understand the G code because they will most likely be having to make manual changes to new programs to get things 100% dialed in.
You know what they need to do next? Get their friends at Trumpf to send them a fiber laser and start a Laser Academy. Also...a cheap fun one would be a "how we make these videos" video.
OMG 🤣.... I'm getting vibes from that fat kid in the movie Matilda who ate some of Principal Trunchbulls chocolate cake and was then forced to eat it all. 🤣 But yeah I agree on the whole setup side of machining (Keep it simple keep it uniform keep it swift), it's easy when you A) Have the equipment to begin with & B) Work for an employer whom understands the necessity OF the stuff.
i wished you would not scream and rush through this, like it would be an ad on tv that costs you money per second... that aside... i would love if you could show how internal hexagon slots are done on that swiss machine... even if you have to buy the tool for it first.
@@donniehinske i have seen the rotary broach for manual lathe and mill, but not yet seen one for cnc usage, so am am excited to see what you can do ;-)
@@donniehinske check the toolbox that came with it. Also check everyone else's workstation because guys were constantly trying to steal these to use as magnetic workstops in mills. I last bought one in 2018.
@@donniehinske that sucks those things were great. I actually made a bunch of copies when I left that shop and went out on my own and now use them for work stops just like all the thieves at the old place LOL.
When setting your I.D. tools do you not have to face off in prep, go to the tool in prep, hit man set, hit core, hit start, then slide your tool to the face and tighten it down? You could slap this in there and just slide your tool to it.
@@donniehinske I do most of those steps, but I usually bring the material to the tool. That is more accurate as tightening the screws on the holder can shift the tool holder. I can be within .001 on the first shot usually. My issue with a presetter as shown here is that if someone fat finger's a number while entering it can have bad consequences. By measuring tools with the machine there is almost zero chance of a bad offset being entered.
That’s a fair point and I’d agree with the issue with operator error on sliding out the cutting tool to this preset tool. After going around from shop to shop training people on hundreds of machines I will say there is potential for operator error in any process. I’ve learned through the years that the less someone presses buttons the better. Someone like yourself who is skilled doesn’t have this issue most likely.
I’ve seen people also fat finger the material diameter in the MC data page and wreck their whole set up as well. Another fun one is if they put the wrong cutoff tool number in the MC data page and do a “start position” after doing the cutoff with a different tool
@@donniehinske The macros in the Cincom control make it pretty straightforward. On the Star machines that I got started on there was a lot of inputting code by hand to do tool setting. That could be daunting for newbies. At my current shop we have a pretty strict hierarchy for machinists. A level one guy isn't even allowed to make offset adjustments without a higher level guy's permission. People making changes to MC data better know WTF they are doing because it can make for a very bad day. I've got 16 Citizen machines at my shop so I've learned pretty quickly who I can count on to make what kind of changes. Have you ever spent time on a Miyano machines? We currently have two 9 axis machines with two more on the way. Those machines really show what the Cincom control can do from an ease of use/programming perspective. Three channels running simultaneously is no joke for the faint of heart.
These are good videos - good content, great work, nice machinery...the whole package...except...for some reason they feel the need to scream at us. Imo, they'd be more effective if they'd use a subdued tone. I quit watching about a year ago - they remind me of those RU-vid guys trying to sell solar panels. Otherwise awesome stuff.
