Great tutorial Em!! Great camera work Jade!! I watched closely as you cut closer to that ring crack. Very interesting! Thank you. Let me SHAKE your hands for a job well done! 👍👍👍
If it is a sickness in the trees, you may be able to notice an age at which it got sick and check other trees at the same age rings . There may have been a tree bacteria going around at that time.
When I was younger, I worked in the lumber industry as a contractor sales dude. I love your videos and have learned much more than I already knew. Thank you for posting such interesting videos. You and your sister are the best!
I find shake in some oak logs since that is what we have here in my area. More often in water oak. Sycamore too as they like to grow in the same places. They grow in wet areas along rivers and creeks. Most always if cutting a stand of trees and one has shake there will be more of them that have it. I too have been told it is a bacterial thing. Good video.
Very informative, learning a lot about wood. But FYI one reason I started watching your channel was one of your thumbnails showed you wearing you knife. I thought, a fiery red head with a fixed blade, I have to watch this. And I did miss it
As a sawyer who saws on a hand set circle mill, my worst nightmare is sawing into a horse shoe or railroad spike but, you're also correct, cutting logs with shake is frustrating.
As a lifelong carpenter, we always called that condition checking or check cracking. Although I must admit, I never knew what caused it. Best regards from Indiana.
THis is an interesting topic. I was taught many years ago at Oregon State University that shake was caused by wind. There was no mention of a bacterium being involved. I learned something new today! Thank you
I first clicked on yall because I saw your red hair. It is beautiful. Your accent and way of speaking to us/the camera is peaceful in addition to informative. I'm a grand parent living outside Austin Texas, retired, I am now hooked on yall's videos. Thanks
I'm a timber (selling abroad pine products, tropical hardwoods). Your videos refresh me on technicalities on logs and timber in general. Great job! Wish you all the success you reach!
Very good presentation, Emerald. I feel bad for poor Jade having to walk backwards through the woods. I can scarcely walk forward without tripping on a stick these days! The fall colors look great. It's almost time for me to hit the woods with my bow.
Good video. Shake can be very dangerous for wood turners. Having a bowl delaminate due to shake while turning at 1000 rpm (or higher) is a butt-puckering moment. :)
Hi I have fallen trees for 45yrs I always called them torque cracks see it in fir trees a lot they have very large canopy’s on them and not tight to other trees. It allows the tree to twist The splits do come to the outside of the tree and you will see sap running down the tree You are doing a great job keep up the good work be safe
Great vid Emerald. Very informative as always. As a Sawyer you are very knowledgeable. This shows in all the vids you do. Great job on the video camera Jade. Another great vid by the dynamic duo Emerald and Jade.
Very interesting video. I never realized that cracks like that actually had a name. Also it’s good to see that you would take the time to research and then present your findings in an understandable way. Good job!
A good sawyer thinks about all these things, makes an assessment, and cuts accordingly to get the maximum footage from a log. There is no substitute for an experienced sawyer. The best sawyers are lumber graders. Knot size and placement...it all factors into it. Good video, Em.
That just goes to show that "The first step in solving a problem is recognizing there is one" and then the next part is what to do about it, in the best way.
It's just incredibly fun to listen to Emerald - even if I don't understand all the technical terms, she explains it so brilliantly that I understand the whole thing. I really like this RU-vid channel. By the way, Emerald looks gorgeous again today...
As Logger and Sawyer I have seen it and sawed logs on a circle mill , and shake logs can be very dangerous if they start falling apart when sawing thru the log and pieces get loose on the saw blade things could get flying at you. Always expect the worst. I have sawed logs that showed some shake and sawed out just fine with little to no shake. And l have sawed logs that looked ok ( no sign of shake ) and fell apart when in the saw , that was a surprise, just never know what might happen . Small band mill is safer when sawing shake logs , less chance of things flying at you . I have had logs that grown at the edge of the woods that when sawed thru the center that bent a lot . Sun on the one side of the tree made it grow weird . I sawed a 16 foot red oak down to 8 5/16" x 8 5/16" cant to be sawed in to four 4" x 4" x 16 foot . I run it through the saw and it bent about 4" or more in 16 feet , put the two bent 4 x 8,s the carriage to saw in to four 4 x 4,s and sawed it again and it bent even more , now 8" or more bend in 16 feet , looked like four big bananas , totally bad , I cut it all into short pieces for blocking. Had to get another log to saw out that order. Stay safe and keep the sawdust flying .
That's pretty cool that you don't have to shim out the log as your milling on the woodmeizer. I only have an Alaskan mill, and if I don't shim it out as I pass the saw, my cuts are off
Birch is a very prolific species around my area. Above some size (maybe 20” diameter) the pretty much ALL have shake going sometimes 30+’ up the trunk. Over 24” or so diameter I have yet to see one without some amount of heart rot. The amount of heart rot varies a lot but usually goes at least several feet up from the felling cut. Sometimes 15+’ up. The wood is amazingly beautiful, but the heart rot and shake really limits its lumber value.
I have always heard that shake was "wind" shake and that disease issues would normally leave telltale spalting tracks. A 'check" to my way of thinking is normally a result of shrinking (drying). Just what I've always thought.
The bad thing about shake is you don't really see it until you saw it, a lot of wasted effort. I hadn't heard the bacterium reason before. We were always told stress caused it. I cut a hemlock in my backyard and it was so shaky it fell apart on my friends band mill. This grew on a step side hill. It does seem like trees in an area have shake or not, so the bacteria sounds like a factor.
Another excellent informative and enjoyable video.. With Emerald in front of the camera with her easy style of talking and communicating, and Jade behind the camera doing an outstanding job, these videos are just getting better and better. No wonder that every time I look at the subscribers following you, it just keeps climbing; well done! Also lovely to see the season changing the colours on the hills behind you. The loveliest season IMO
had timber that was affect from a micro burst. on the outside you would have thought it was going to open up the most beautiful hemlock one could imagine, after sawing most of the lot was ripped apart. wind damage along with minerals and contaminated nutrients are the most general cause. hemlock seems the most vulnerable, but it shows up in EWP a lot as well
I recently sawed a 30” hickory that had shake in about 8” from diameter of the tree. What was weird is inside the shake area was tiny knots everywhere. Looks like where limbs was once trying to form. Glad I found a video on this knowing I’m not the only one that has seen this. Thanks for your video keep it up!
So then explain one grove of cottonwood being mostly "shook while 200 yards away will be another grove with perfect logs. I am talking natural growing trees on flood plains. I explained my thinking in another post
I worked in a log home planer mill for years and never knew what caused shake. (4x6 tongue & groove Hemlock cabin logs aaaargh) We always planed our Hemlock logs and built our cabins when they were green because of the shake. Thanks for teaching this old dog something I didn't know.
Here in australia we allso call a defect where the log has been stressed and the fibers compressed across the grain , shake. Caused mainly in the felling of the tree when it hits a ridge , hollow or stump etc. Thanks for the new term . Ring shake. 42 years in carpentry and still learning. 🤔😀😎👌
We get shake in some trees here on Vancouver Island in some of the yew logs I cut , I have seen it go up as far as 10 feet on some of the older yew and a piece 24 inch across there has been so many rings compromised you can not even split it with an axe because the blade just gets absorbed into the wood and pops out.. What can be interesting is we have had cases where some roots near the bottom start to come back up into it and rotten sections ..
💚 Very informative. Thank You. You just jumped to the front of the line for my nomination for employee of the week. Sadly I have to wait for Sami's week review on Sunday. Not to put any pressure on her, however you have Em. Kudos
Hi Emerald! "Shake" was something that we ran into while pulling "Green Chain" when I was a teen! We tried to warn new-comers about what to watch for while pulling lumber, but we pulled 110k board feet in an 8 hour shift.. Supposed to have an 8 man crew, but we usually ran with 6. It was hard and fast paced work. Anyway, had a new guy that was doing pretty well, but along came a board that had the dreaded kind of "shake" that created a "lance" like point along the inside edge that was about 5 feet long on a wet 12x16x1" board he pulled at speed! That "Lance" entered his right side and traveled between his stomach hide and his abominable muscles from right to left, coming out his left side, impaling him on that board! We had to cut the "lance" off the board and send him and the "lance" both the the E.R. that night to get the poor guy taken care of! He was lucky that he wasn't killed! All our logs were kept in the river and everything we pulled was soaked wet and very "noodle like" and heavy. You learn fast to keep your eyes open for those kinds of dangers!
I wish you to know that I think your communication skills and your enthusiasm make your videos informative and entertaining. You are doing a super job. Thanks for being so entertaining. Ian Petrolia Ontario Canada
When the time comes you will look fabulous in a white wedding gown. Thank you no longer cutting off Jades head in the videos. Thank you very much for the jaunt in the woods. Triple thank you for the explanation of shake in the trees.
In this video and in others I often wonder what you guys do to get such great stable videos. As you were walking in the woods and Jade was "filming" you there was no vibration or any indication that the camera was moving except for the trees and such moving. Jade is very good at operating the camera.
These boards are not trash. My local sawyer ( in central VT) saves a " cull pile " of Shakey hemlock. He sells these boards at a heavily reduced rate. I have seen, (and often copied) examples of this lumber being used as roof support on our buildings and the like. Some of the structures I have seen are over a hundred years old, and still solid, even with the snow loads up north here. So please don't throw out this valuable resource.
I grew up on a farm that has 2 farm places and every building except the houses are built out of cottonwood dating back to the 1920s. The cottonwood source and the mill are on that farm. You are right, nothing is wasted. Those shakey boards work just fine for roof sheathing or cut down into 1X4 boards to use as battens if the buildings have board and batten cottonwood siding. Wood furnaces in the homes take care of the rest of the scrap.
Being a carpenter of 50 years i always assumed that impact with the ground when the tree was felled caused shake, never thought of it any other way, interesting stuff.
Well that was very very Educational and how to spot it for those who process logs for living. How to spot what is wrong like Shake in a tree. Also some possible ways to still get lumber out of the long itself however there will be some fails and scrap parts. Very Good Emerald. Thanks for the lesson.
I swear Emerald is going to make me pay a visit to the log yard to purchase lumber that i do not need just so that i can see that beautiful angelic face up close!!! She is such an intelligent young woman. Wise way beyond her years. The way she explains everything is just perfection. This is definitely one of the best videos she has made so far
@@stevecarlson6462 WOW, why would you suggest that? Emerald is an intelligent woman and all you can see is her appearance and then suggest she lowers herself to such a degrading career that does nothing more than spread lies.
@@petebusch9069 The last part is not true she could be a reporter but she is not, Emerald is just a very intelligent person when it comes to log industry, which by the way she learned from the BOSS's Aka Parents who taught her well. Reporters do not spread lies. They are biased in many ways taking no sides just present the facts as they see it. It is called POV.
@@terrancevangemert7508 WOW, reporters do not spread lies!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOUR KIDDING ME? This IS what they do and I see the propaganda machine is working well with you. You even say it in your post, "they are biased in many ways taking no sides, just present the facts as they see it" The "as they see it" part is where they slide the BS in. Also, how can you be biased but not take a side at the same time? This is how a professional liar works and you fell for it. Let me tell you something simple, truth does not have room for personal views, it is what it is and stands completely on its own and I suggest you start searching for it.
This is extremely helpful. I have been trying to figure out why my Cedar trees have so much shake. This is a very plausible explanation. The reason I had to cut the Cedars down in the first place is because some tree bacteria came through and killed a bunch of them.
Great video both of you, Emerald Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant fantastic you talking through the video more more more please. Hello from England 🏴
Bit of trivia for you; I was a timber faller for 35+ years in BC Canada... worked all over the province. On the coast where native people lived for 1000's of years they would collect planks from standing timber. They would pick a tree, usually Red Cedar, ranging in diameter anywhere from 4ft - 10ft. They would climb up 20ft or so, cut a notch across the face of the tree and place small pebbles in the cut then they'd leave it sometimes for years. Slowly over time the wind would cause the tree to sway back/forth, the cut would slowly open, the pebbles would slip a little bit lower eventually the board could be pulled/pried off. This could take several years.. but it worked! I've fell timber which had a flat side where a board was removed. Couldn't figure out what this was about until I mentioned it to a Haida native who clued me in. This was apparently the way native people got boards from STANDING timber for centuries, pretty smart really... take a board and let the tree grow! As for 'shake' in standing timber I would say 90% is caused by wind/storms, especially on the BC coast where severe storms often come ripping in from the Pacific.
Emerald, interesting subject that you brought up. There is only 1% of a tree that is alive and that being the closest growth ring to the bark so I would think that what ever happened to that log you demonstrated on happened years ago (based on growth after the shake) when that ring separated or became infected or stressed and that years growth became non-liiving cells followed by the growth ring of the next year. The years thereafter incased and hid that defect or injury and strengthened and stabilized the continued growth of the tree. Your thought?
Cut down a 28" red oak once. 14' to the first limb. The tree settled on a bit of an angle and when I made the first cut at about 9', the center 14" of the log slid out. Completely separated. Looked like the log was drilled out it was so uniform. Crazy.
