Aggressive thumbnail aside, are we witnessing the end of DAWs (Digital Audio Workstations)? What will protools users do if they integrate with AI? These are some important questions the producers/engineers are facing.
Bro, you didn’t describe making music. You described outsourcing it to the machine lol. And no way anyone will make money making beats if a vocal artist can just say the same stuff to their AI that you suggested. “Hey ableton, make me a sad sounding song to sing over.” I do see AI serving a role in production, but one that is much more subtle. I’d like AI to prepare my set, clean up loose ends in projects, do anything for me that’s overly repetitive, etc. But telling the AI I want a jazzy song in B with Nirvana vibes is just a novelty. You’d feel like a fraud doing this anyway. Sadly the majority of people don’t care, so you’re probably right.
Thanks for the comment bro, I was hoping to describe making music with AI as a tool and not as a "producer" ai will never replace someone with a soul. Music is 90% emotion and only we can capture that...for now ( I feel like I have to say "for now" to everything) but if you had protools + ai you would be able to focus more on creating vs having to find all the sounds, tuning, spatial sound tuning etc... if AI can take the easy stuff then you can focus on the most important parts. It's a thought.
Ai music will be mostly background music while music made by human expression will be even more in demand than it already is. Ai will be so easy to use that music made with it will be boring and it will just lead to a rise in demand for human expression.
How about no. I'm never stopping my HUMAN creation of music using Cubase and Logic Pro. Never stop. Our imagination and creativity are huge parts of what it means to be human!!
Its funny the length music makers will go to avoid just learning the smallest amount of theory and harmony. Asking AI this elaborate prompt to just generate a diatonic 4 chord loop..
With loops, automatic MIDI generators, Splice, AI mastering, and now the new AI tools, we have automated music making so much, that the next step is to remove the human factor altogether. Let's have AI programs make songs for other AI programs to listen to. Apparently we don't care enough for music to sweat it making it ourselfs, so why go through the additional trouble of listening to it?
That actually sounds really efficient. Personally I can't wait for the invention of the sex robot... so I don't have to do that anymore either. Hell if the robots are gonna do all our jobs for us, we might as well let them listen to some tunes and get laid too, right? 😂 😬 😞
Artificial intelligence is a threat to those who lack sufficient education, talent, skill, and creativity. If you struggle with the ability to create something others want hear, you lean on systems which can fill in the gaps and boost your productivity. If you know how to produce what people will are willing to pay you for, you aren’t looking for A.I. to augment your mid beats and mixing abilities. The DAW will not be replaced by Artificial Intelligence. Mediocre and rising talent will be replaced by A.I. Those at the top of their craft will always find a way to innovate. A.I. uses algorithms and past knowledge to derive something based on that database. It doesn’t innovate. If you’re leaning on helpers and assistants, you’re a target for technology to replace. It indicates you’re not bringing enough to the table. A.I. has yet to sell out a venue.
What you’re missing is that it removes any skill or talent from the process, so why would your money go up if everyone who has a DAW can produce music as effectively as you.
I spent a few hours this weekend uploading DX7 books and AIR OPx4 manual into a Google AI thing and asked about how to create FM patches of this and that kind. After a bit of slapping in the face when answers where wrong of slightly incorrect, it started behaving and I got a superb sidekick helping me design top notch stuff, along with very well formatted instructions. It was able to translate DX7 patches into OPx4 approach and that was impressive af. Will keep using it more and more for sure. If this could have a way to generate material for using inside the DAW, all good for me!
In 1978, Soundstream, who had made one of the first commercially available digital audio tape recorders in 1977, built what could be considered the first digital audio workstation using some of the most current computer hardware of the time. The Digital Editing System, as Soundstream called it, consisted of a DEC PDP-11/60 minicomputer running a custom software package called DAP (Digital Audio Processor), a Braegen 14"-platter hard disk drive, a storage oscilloscope to display audio waveforms for editing, and a video display terminal for controlling the system. Interface cards that plugged into the PDP-11's Unibus slots (the Digital Audio Interface, or DAI) provided analog and digital audio input and output for interfacing to Soundstream's digital recorders and conventional analog tape recorders. The DAP software could perform edits to the audio recorded on the system's hard disks and produce simple effects such as crossfades. Synclavier 1977-78 to the early 1990s.
Before ai you would pay for a musician to make a song now ai will do that for you. Neither of these examples makes you a producer or a musician. This isint like previous developments in tech advancements it’s just making shit for you but cheaper than another person
yea this is like cryptobros but it's with AI. it's garbage nonsense and it serves no purpose other than to bring others together who believe in the hype so much like said cryptobros do. super childish to assume AI (for these "human replacement" workflows) is a benefit to any of us.
I completely agree with that. Clicking a button does not make you a producer. But for those of us who know how to use protools, fl studio and other daws, finding the right sounds, effects, etc, takes a lot of time that AI could do and the producer could focus purely on creation. I believe artists will still be relevant and so will real producers as long as the DAWs incorporate AI, if they don't then we might get stuck with AI generated music and that will be terrible for everyone. thanks for the comment
Where you and many others are wrong is that no, it is not different from previous technological developments. It is just like all other technological replacements that came before it and will come in the future. It will replace jobs and further economic divides rather than decreasing the amount of work we are forced to do to survive. It is not special, it will happen again in more fields with more technologies until something more generally is done about it, and yes it is very bad and will make many people's lives worse.
How about Ai could provide real-time feedback and assistance during the music production process? it could analyze the producer work and give suggestions for improvements like adjusting volumes, eq the low end etc.
sorry no, this is not the end of DAWs. if you want bland ass music and no creative talent intercepting it ok sure then feel free to push this bs narrative all day. art is a way for humans to express their creativity, thoughts, and feelings. no AI will ever replace human real feelings, but go ahead and push this garbage ideology that AI (somehow, even though it can barely make convincing drawings) replace musicians. AI and art in the same sentence is laughable.. It's no longer art if it's AI generated, it's just an AI's interpretation of art (in which AI just outright steals artists' work. that's just how it is, the training databases *have* to get their training data from somewhere right.. yea fuck AI.)
The question was hypothetical in a lot of ways but if protools for example doesn't add an ai agent of sorts to help you do the monotonous things in your production flow then you can focus on the creation part. My hope is for the DAW makers to incorporate it now because there will be purely AI companies that will open the door to bypass daws like Suno for example where anyone can create "ok" sounding music with realistic vocals automatically mixed and mastered. Suno is on version 1... imagine v10? but DAWs can combat this now before it's too late. thanks for the comment!
The future won't be streamlining the process but replacing it. The end user (listener) will just ask for a song that sounds like X in the style of Y with whatever lyrics they want (if needed). The entire recording/production process will be the unnecessary step & the process will start/stop with the listener
The real revolution will happen when we replace the audience with robots. Imagine the robo-clubs rocking out all night, while humans look on wishing they could be having fun. Of course they couldn't afford to go to a club anyway because AI and robots will have taken their jobs. Where will it all end? Human obsolescence seems like a logical conclusion. : )
Pro Tools first came out in 1989 made by Digidesign, then Notator Logic (later known as Logic) came out in 1990 made by C-Labs for the Atari. Just wanted to point that out.
Daws integrated Ai for awhile, Steinberg has spectral layers and drum GAN been out for a minute. it’s more of a spectrum of what functions are Ai or not. Interesting topic but it is a balance as advanced producers likely don’t want all tasks handed over to Ai
Yes, there are plugin effects with AI that I briefly mentioned but it's limited to audio you've already produced as opposed to generative ai... I think DAWs would make producers more efficient and actually enhance the creation process. thanks for the comment Ben!
Same thing happened when drum machines came out and supposedly put drummers out of business but it didnt. Same thing happened 2d Animation artists when 3d Animations Artists came out and that also didn't put 2D Artists out of business. Then the same thing happened 3d Animators when the mocap suit came out and they no longer had to keyframe endlessly for days and days and got their jobs done quicker and everyone screaming its cheating but these suits are 10 grand upwards for a good one and we welcome AI into the mocap world of animation for both 2d and 3d artists as it's a cheap way to get in with the pros and just with the use of an iphone or ipad pro you give LiiiiiiiiFE to your 3d/2d Character Just go with the flow and do your own thing. I still keyframe frame by frame in my 3d animations because I enjoy it. Just like I use royalty free loops in my music.
Thanks for the comment, I'm sure there are a lot of videos on youtube that are much better but my hope was to at least spark a conversation around ai and DAWs.
just because its a trend it doesn't mean like a better workflow.. well i might be ending up not being right, but i would choose well which tools or automation to do, i def dont feel like spiting out prompts and releasing as music or anything artistic.. thats where companies withcomercial AI output will canibilize the artists, a trend already seen in visual artowork, specially illustration.
The thing is that Quincy Jones and Trevor Horn were still doing the work. Not to mention being v. good players with a deep understanding of music. A.I. (which is not real - yet or ever) is semi-random pattern-regurgitation. Therefore, when Trovor & Quincy made a decision and used the tool to chop this, add that... it was a human-considered thing that was checked. The modern DAW (eg Reason) is still a Fairlight or a tape deck with synths and effects being manipulated by the creator. Replacing human decisions with randomness from pre-defined patterns is no more than adding library parts based on someone else's tagging. That will deliver a noise but not be able to tell a Story - exactly what Quincy & Trevor were masters of. While (sadly) DAWs are pushing novety features to lure in clueless and lazy people, it will not be a good thing. It can only set back the DAW overall - as happened when we lost players like Opcode Vision which had features that we are only seeing again in some DAWs. Digital Performer had many of the same things but it also fell from the market in favor of the trivialities of Live etc. As for the bot mixing! Come on, Mixing is as much an Artform as any other so the results will be just as pointless and error-filled as this patchwork of other people's work. One wonders why that would ever be popular - and if so why??
A.I Assisted Digital Audio WorkStations that will be the Future for Sure can program in famous Producers & Production Styles of Mixers & Masters! Cool 😎
Only thing ai can do is upgrade these daws or create a robot to create music and that wouldn't be bad at all .... for the age of creating a robot with human emotions is so many afar
@15:03 In the remix example you give I’d challenge that , you miss the opportunity of collaborating with another producer to remix your song. An EDM producer who has built an audience who can remix your track could give more Roi than you remixing it with Ai. Collaboration is still a major unlock to music marketing.
I'm building a mini pc/audio interface/ touchscreen multiple monitor right now i feel thats the direction were heading, daws will have to use ai, I garuntee they are working on it right now. Prob why logic 11 came out of nowhere, as its already behind. In two years it will be like this guy is talking about
So 8 billion people will be "music producers" then. Well, they won't be, they will just let an A.I. create it for them and nobody in the world will care because everyone will be able to do it. Bye bye artists and value.
In a lot of ways, anyone can "produce" music right now but will you listen to just anyone? most likely not. I wonder what kind of music would someone like Pharrell make alongside AI... that would not only be interesting but worth listening to because how they understand music. If you already know how to produce then AI will simply be a tool. I believe there will still be value in the people who are talented at the craft. thanks for the comment!
unfortunately, there will be soul less music in our near future but it doesn't have to be the case if protools added AI then real producers will continue to produce music more efficiently, I would even argue that with the focus on creation, they will create sounds we've never heard before if they use AI as tool. I have hope that we will have soulful music for a little longer. thanks for comment!
@@AInfusedNetwork At that point music will solely be only utilized as a way to keep dystopian economics held in place. People wouldn't feel anything off of the music. So it'd be used for monopolization and manipulation more so than it is now, to the fullest... What's the point other than that for even having music then when it's whole sole purpose was the expression of ones soul?
Hey man, I appreciate the historical context you provide in the evolution of digital music up to the modern day, which I found is quite insightful. I don't understand some of the spiteful comments here. Nonetheless I don't agree with your take on the future of music production with AI, it seems a bit oversimplified and I would have hoped it be a bit more substantive like the first half of the video (and also for reasons already pointed out by some of the other commenters). Peace.
If you use pitch, correction, are you no longer a singer? Or if you use mastering presets, are you not an engineer, I’m not being smart. I’m just wondering where the line is
@@ECDUVAL The line is where the creativity dies. You know, that thing you have to use when you want to create something from scratch? If you use a tool in order to fine-tune a vocal, or a guitar tuner, where is the problem? The problem is where a lot of creatives lose their job. Because their job (and my job) is based on empathy with the client. Using AI for creating art is like f*cking a latex doll, you still have an orgasm at the end, but you took emotions and put it in the garbage.
@@zerogiveswell said. While I don’t think using pitch correction or a guitar tuner is as extreme as using an ai to basically be your guide to making a beat. I absolutely love the analogy of fucking a blowup doll and the destination being the same but the journey was clearly an empty shell of what it should be. I guess the issue is , will the public be ok with a blow up doll will it make them “climax” this ai music and art. Or will they feel the missing human component when listening to or looking at the finished product. The eye of the beholder will dictate how this battle plays out. Cheers.
It’s not in the thing…it’s in the swing…what about ‘soul’…? And then this AI video: Talking about Protools and showing Logic…that’s doesn’t’ show “the proof is in the pudding”…
I get so tired of hearing about AI being imitative. That threatens no one. That contributes nothing. When AI can learn to understand the progression of ideas or genres and then come up with the next big idea, the next big genre that humans have not yet thought of, then it is innovative instead of imitative, then it threatens to take over.
you can go to computer and say stuff like, make me a sad beat or whatever but most of the time ( btw i am not a proffessional music producer but im using fl studio since 2016 or so) i am not thinking about a certain kind of beat or emotion when i start a new project, but instead im just trying different things when i start a project, i just kinda go with the flow and do whatever i can do with what i created, and i think most of the time most of the producers create music like that. Producing music is not some process that you know what you'll get at the end. And even if you've given instructions for what kind of thing needs to be created, you still need to experiment with stuff, any two music producers who makes same kind of subgenre would make two completely different songs when given same instruction with same plugins, daw, and samples .
absolutely not! I'm saying that DAWs should incorporate AI to take the boring parts of producing away, like finding the right sound etc... if you can focus purely on creating then imagine what kind of music Pharrell would make if he was using protools with ai. If they don't incorporate, we could end up with AI generated music all over the place. Thanks for the comment!
I honestly hope AI can start to create this type of content completely by itself before it can make music without any human interaction. Maybe then you understand how stupid and irresponsible these videos are...
XRef=HUT Great report! THIS IS ACTUALLY SUPERB NEWS about an opportunity I had to pass on in the 1990's. It makes the possibility of a solopreneur to run a substantial "publishing" enterprise through AI like this.
