SAYING NO TO WORD COUNTS // a one-day writing experiment!

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Word counts are divisive within the writing & authortube community, so I figured I would attempt a vlog without sharing ANY. I also challenged the stream to ~share their progress~ without word counts and it was super fun. Here's some revelations I had during this experiment....
0:00 Why no word counts??
1:22 A little morning routine or tarot and emails.
6:32 Organizing beta reader feedback.
8:28 Challenging the stream to also not share word counts.
10:56 New short story, challenging myself not to use dialogue.
13:11 Wrap-up of my thoughts on the "no word count" experiment & updating you on projects.
☟↓ QUESTIONS FOR YOU BELOOOOOW! ↓☟
D I S C U S S I O N Q U E S T I O N S :
When you're NOT participating in streams or hanging with other writers, do you track your word counts??
How do you "measure" progress for a single writing session? Do you not measure at all?
Do you prefer watching vlogs where people share their word count progress during the video??
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@authorgreene 2 года назад

When you write zero drafts by hand, it's a lot easier to let go of word count anxiety.

@werelemur1138 2 года назад

I recently tried that, the second part of the experiment is going to be how the typing-in process goes.

@authorgreene 2 года назад

@@werelemur1138 Awesome! Zero drafting by hand is definitely not for everybody. Especially those who track elements of their story using a computer program. Typing out a first draft from your hand-written zero draft is a great time to just have fun polishing and restructuring. Good luck and write on!

@sentarose 2 года назад

It's the huge word count emphasis that I mostly dislike. I organize a silent writing group through Google hangouts every Saturday morning and two of us handwrite so we don't share word counts. We talk about how the writing felt. "I really felt in the zone today, I didn't want to stop " Or "I struggled with a scene so I skipped it and spent the writing time typing up what I handwrite yesterday. I'm loving these characters. I'm probably nearing the middle of the novel."

@Lisa_Flowers 2 года назад

Exactly this! I have no real issue with word counts, it's just how central they seem to authortube culture that I don't like. I also handwrite, and word counts don't really work for me, and it can be hard to find spaces where I can exist without that being the main emphasis.

@bodine219 2 года назад

@@Lisa_Flowers I'm in a writing group on discord. Some of us love wordcounts, some of us don't. So we do "edit" sprints for those who want to participate but don't want to do wordcounts. And we all seem to love the phrase "all words are beautiful.

@jxhannx4796 2 года назад

I have a love-hate relationship with word counts, sometimes I need them and crave them and sometimes I don’t want them to exist, it depends on how difficult I’m finding outlining or writing to be.

@MaigaVidal 2 года назад

My favorite thing about no word counts is that other’s projects feel real and tangible!

@LaurelMoring 2 года назад

Pausing immediately to say, isn’t losing a thumbtack the scariest thing? Am I going to step on it? Is my animal going to eat it and need surgery? WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? Lol.

@Wolfsins 2 года назад

Last time I lost a thumbtack, I stepped on it. I thank god that I was wearing boots lol. My commute from school was 2hrs back then, it would have been hell

@LaurelMoring 2 года назад

@@Wolfsins Oh no!!! 👎🏻

@mangaluver2010 2 года назад

As a viewer, I'll be honest, not hearing you speak about word count was a bit strange, but I think only because I'm so used to hearing it. I do feel you were more willing to share about where you were with the story without having to explain how many words you got. :) As a writer, I stopped focusing on word counts a long time ago because with my work schedule I would feel really bad about not being able to write 1000 or 100 words a day. It was very freeing to me to focus on writing scenes only because I could focus on the scene itself and when I finished it I felt more accomplished than only thinking about how many words I got. Very interesting video since the war on word count has become even more popular as of late. :)

@BeccaCSmith 2 года назад

I could watch the sock dance with Zelda all day LOL!!!

@charlesjoseph9842 2 года назад

When I'm writing by myself, I don't really care about my word count. It's just kind of a thing that's There that I can reference if someone asks how I'm doing, but I don't really pay attention to it other than that. The best way I've found to keep myself motivated is by talking with my friends of discord! It's nice to have a chill place to talk about writing and stuff. Sometimes we sprint together, which can get a little competitive at times, but it's all in good fun!!!

@booksnnails 2 года назад

I love the idea of not using word counts as the be-all-end-all of progress. I have 0 problems with anyone saying how they did via word count if that's what they feel comfortable with, but having someone focusing on maybe what stage of the writing journey they are on instead is really helpful. For example, my word counts are not going to be good while editing, and if that is the only focus, it's like I got nothing done while during the stream I may have edited three chapters, 0 words added but all kinds of productive. I don't, however, believe that your streams or Zara's, for instance, are only word-count oriented. You both ask how your viewers did, not how many words you got down, and you both have mentioned several times that the sprints are to be productive and cheer people on who are doing other things besides plugging away at the keyboard. It's why I follow you. (There are others as well, but you two are the ones that stick out in my mind) So thank you, because while it's good to bring some light to the fact that word goals arent everything (honestly, it's a very small portion of writing tbh), you've already been advocating for productivity in general. If eliminating word-count only goals is the new way things are going, you're already way ahead of the game.

@AzzaYCF 2 года назад

You dancing around in your new socks making your dog bark really made me lol 😁😂

@SDHegyes 2 года назад

I honestly get more work done on days where I don't set timers, don't join live streams, and don't have any other obligations for the day. I just sit down and write, getting up and taking breaks as I need to. On days when I do this, I don't tend to pay attention to the word count as much, and I always seem to hit anywhere from 5-15K. Something about doing that gets me in the zone and I just... write... On days like that I also don't do much vlogging or chatting with others either though... Full hermit mode for the win?

@fardareismai4495 2 года назад

Very good video, thanks! Keeping meticulous track of word counts is a double-edged sword for me. On the one hand it feels great to measure progress and see I'm hitting goals, but on the other hand it can be incredibly frustrating and stifling to think of it in numbers instead of story progression and beats.

@AlwaysWrite 2 года назад

It was really weird not getting updates with word counts! It felt like you were writing and enjoying the process more than focusing solely on hitting a word count goal. I'll have to try a week without focusing on word count!

@bluebird4052 2 года назад

I didn't know you did tarot. And I've been watching your videos for the longest time! As a fellow practitioner, can't say I'm not excited :)

@maebelline 2 года назад

I really liked you explaining your progress without referencing word counts, it was more fun to visualise your work rather than be explicitly told the statistics. Sometimes words counts are redundant, as even if a paragraph is important and took a lot of time to curate you only walk away with 300 words for example, compared to a time where you write 1500 words which were less taxing - it almost places more value on the higher word count over the words that were more integral to payoff!

@nikki.clemmer 2 года назад

I struggle with knowing how to share my writing progress, I never know what information is too revealing of the story and default to word counts when talking to my husband or friends lol but i've been trying to explain more too. The Void is so cute!!!!!! And Zelda dancing with you

@malloryanderson4723 2 года назад

Omg...the shots of Baby Vin with the candle are *chef's kiss* beautiful!!! Such a majestic Void Baby! Also, I've been dying to try out one of the Vampire Blood candles from BBW...are they everything I dream of? Lol, also Zelda barking at the socks is just too cute! I think the whole idea of sharing progress instead of word counts is an interesting idea, and also that way, you can kind of get more of an idea of what others are working on, but that's just my two cents. (Nevermind...you just said that, lol) Love the video!

@zoewhelan2151 2 года назад

I really enjoyed this vlog. Watching this I understand, care, and connect more with your updates. Word counts just aren't how my brain works, so this felt easier to wrap my head around. Also I don't care how much someone writes. What they write or the story and structure and craft process/challenges/successes are what matter to me. Word counts are just one type of measurement and having more than that is more entertaining, personally. Thanks for the video Kate!

@BethIsWriting 2 года назад

Oh my Goodness, when Zelda is "attacking" your feet LOL As for word count, I'm neither here nor there with measuring/sharing that information. I only just finished my first draft and I'm an underwriter, so maybe that's why I don't feel any pressure.

@lavymaplemagic 2 года назад

Your artistic editing is so lovely !!! What a nice vibe!!!

@harleyandrada3220 2 года назад

me mainly just having a minor screech at kate reading the Tarot. I love this for you.

@Shadowkitty360 2 года назад

You have the most entertaining videos ☺ love to see you living your life and pursuing your career!

@elizapadro3471 2 года назад

What a cool video! I love the socks, the tarot, and the adorable pets. I have to be honest: I love word counts, especially when I am writing my first draft. But no so much when I'm editing, so I can edit faster. So, both ways are fine with me.

@reginaduke7451 2 года назад

I guess I'm too old to stop counting words. LOL I have deadlines with my editor and need to know how far along I am. Old habits die hard. But as usual your video was lovely. (My editor also charges by word count. Guess I'll keep counting. *laughing*)

@bhsprinkle 2 года назад

Not sharing word count actually sounds pretty healthy. Not using dialog sounds like quite the challenge though. Now I'm thinking about how people tell stories without dialog. 🤔 Thanks for sharing your writing vlog.

@rethleychiru 2 года назад

I have been wanting to keep track of my word count but I never jot it down. I check it before every writing session and I feel good about seeing the number go up even if its just 50 words. I have a hard time with numbers in general and 1k words can be the same as 10k words to me because I can’t wrap my head around the quantitative without having a physical copy of the words in my hands. But seeing the difference in day to day word count provides a little dose of serotonin that keeps me going; some days it matters more than others. But I’d love to put it into an excel sheet or something so I could make a graph of it for personal reasons. I guess kind of in a way to remind myself that writing isn’t a linear process. If not word count, I like to measure with scenes. I do have an outline with all the scenes that I need in my WIPs so when I finish a scene, I can cross it off a “list”. Personally it doesn’t really matter to me if someone shares their progress or not in the sense that it doesn’t affect my own progress. I feel that some writers may watch writers on RU-vid and compare and stress themselves out upon hearing about what others are doing. I like hearing about all kinds of ways writers measure their progress because that alone motivates me. If the writer is having fun and happy with their work and progress, than I in turn will be happy too and motivated to keep going!

@nimedhel09 2 года назад

OMG your furbabies are adorable. The little black kitten is precious! And Zelda chasing your feet is funny, haha! As for wordcounts, they were helpful when I first began to get back to write and I didn't really know my speed or anything, but now... yeah, now wordcounts and I don't agree, hahaha! I have been burnt out the last few months, so no writing for me, but I'm hoping to slowly get back to it in September, but no wordcount. I don't need them. I just need to know if it felt like I was progressing well or if I finished a chapter or stuff.

@sydney2802 2 года назад

I do tend to track word counts pretty regularly, so I might just try a no track day. But since i do track word count, that is usually how I measure success for that day unless I pass a spot that I'd been struggling with, then that becomes my achievement for the day. Listening to you describe where you are in the story without explicitly saying the amount of words you wrote was interesting and like I said, I might just try it for myself.

@HystericBlue17 2 года назад

I know you mentioned being new to tarot but I would LOVE a video of you fleshing out how you've been incorporating it into your writing! Hoorah for cReAtIvE tarot!!! 💖

@rachelrobertson7353 2 года назад

Awww - your black kitty is so adorable!! Loved seeing Zelda too! Word counts can definitely be a pain. I think that’s maybe why I’ve never successfully finished a NaNoWriMo. Felt it was more about the word count than accomplishing the novel (unpopular opinion, perhaps?).

@lollyannaclark 2 года назад

ooooh i like the challenge of writing a short story *without* dialogue. I need to try this!

@KateCavanaugh 2 года назад

YES LAUREN, DO IT! :) Let me know what you think if you try it out! :)

@jazmingalloway3172 2 года назад

I always count word counts because it makes me feel very successful. Even low word count days make me happy. I focus so much on the words because thinking in terms of pages makes me dizzy, and thinking in terms of chapters makes me feel less accomplished. I'm writing a series of novellas so on average there are 10 chapters. Saying I wrote a chapter doesn't feel as accomplishing as I wrote 1500 words. Mind over matter I guess. Btw this vlog was so nice, not focusing on word count must have let you really concentrate and enjoy your day. I think you should vlog like this more if it makes you happy 😊🥰

@Wallisimo 2 года назад

Oh my god the advent (all hallows-vent?) calendar! Amazing! I've also had word count goals on my mind recently as I find the disappointment I feel when I don't hit my daily goal is starting to make me avoid writing all together 😬.The only novel I ever completed I wrote without remotely thinking about a daily wc. But I did have a very hard deadline since it was going to be a Christmas gift. The story I'm currently working on has a deadline of October 1st and I've decided to nix my daily wc goal and just focus on enjoying and finishing the story. If I get it done in time then I will officially consider long term deadlines a more effective tactic for me.

@trinitycarpenter8399 2 года назад

Just found your channel last week and totally been binge watching. Have been out of the writing loop now for years and greatly miss it. Love to know if you are still doing any of the things you loved from other authors (write like series), have you done a Q and A session?

@HellsMirror 2 года назад

Regarding your DnD novelization: I am doing something similar recently, however, it's still more of a summary. I am the DM and I have a DMPC in this group, a character that I keep mostly quiet since I don't want to impede on my player's role play (I have this because another player who knows the world as well as I do might sometimes take over as the DM and it'll be easier that way). So I started recapping the sessions from my DMPCs PoV, letting the players know her take on everything that happened while still giving a short account of the events for people who wanna read up on our campaign. I just finished up session 12 and I am having so much fun!^^ tomorrow's session 13 and we'll see what my little dumbasses are gonna do this time xD

@AbiofPellinor 2 года назад

I love this! I'm so bad at focusing a little too much on word count

@jamieburris9353 2 года назад

We should do a stream where everyone just shares a synopsis of their story.

@marjoriebd3326 2 года назад

Love Island! Yup!

@KateCavanaugh 2 года назад

The best of reality TV.

@Emily-zn4ri 2 года назад

I don't personally use word counts much - I do look at them out of interest, but I find my main satisfaction after writing comes from how it felt. Sometimes writing feels really slow or difficult even if you end up with a sizeable word count, and sometimes it may only be a couple of hundred words but it feels great or it feels like you've created something really impactful. I don't think there's anything wrong with aiming for a certain word count or celebrating reaching a certain point, but I think it's important to also add how it felt when writing - just to show that some days you may get a large word count but it was so difficult, and some days it may be lower but you're really happy with the characterisation or the flow of the work or some other aspect. :)

@KateCavanaugh 2 года назад

I LOVE your emphasis on how a writing session felt, YES. And the number of times when it felt off/wrong/hard are way more highly correlated to me having to rewrite it too, even if I in theory got a lot of words.

@TheLegendOfRune 2 года назад

When I'm outlining I don't have a word count goal and I feel like I'm more productive and less stressed about how "Productive" I've been. However when I go by word count goals I then become more stressed because a lot of people are "Better" writers then me because they can write 1K or more words and I'm just not that fast. I'm actually thinking of not doing NaNo this year to see how I feel about my story, I always get so stressed because I very quickly fall behind on word count goals during November, and then I can never catch up again.

@craftblend 2 года назад

I’m not a big word count tracker. I do like to do it for fun, but it definitely doesn’t guide me. I tend to just set a timer and write for that amount of time and hope for the best lol! It’s funny that you like dialogue because I struggle with it so much. I fear that my characters might sound a little stale…

@jellestarremans5990 2 года назад

I'm so excited for November(NaNoWriMo)! This will be my first NaNoWriMo.

@herothebard 2 года назад

I have "read" The Elements of Style so many times. Both an audio book version taken out of the library in physical book. I always fall asleep during it. I also really love the idea of writing a book without something that seams like is a given in a story. For you writing a short story without dialog. For me it would be writing a short story only in dialog. (Because I always feel like my dialog is very flat). As far as word count go I would say that a lot of writers put to much emphasis on the word count. I like taking by hours worked on a project because sometimes that means sending emails to beta readers or editors and sometimes it means setting up my adds online. But othertimes it means adding in a sentence here and there to deepen the world I have created already. Like how am I suppose to count the words if I am cutting out a scene and then replacing half of it in a different place with new dialog or added senses. Did I write 1500 words or did I write 200 words? Who knows I don't.

@jessicajolly8223 2 года назад

Hi! I haven't watched your videos in a while because of life and whatnot... That being said, I too am writing a D&D novel so I thought that was funny we are writing one at the same time! What are the odds? Mine is different but I'm curious to see how your novel goes. Thank you for all your videos!

@SophieJantak 2 года назад

I forgot to turn off subtitles and so some gems from the auto-generated subtitles, as this starts out mostly ambient noise, include [laughter] from the close up of the candle (definitely heard no laughter…. very spooky!) and Zelda’s bark being subtitled as “what” while you showed off your amazing socks 😂

@KateCavanaugh 2 года назад

Omggggggg bahaha. I mean, that's horrifying and amazing. I'll see if and how I can go change those to not be quite so scary.

@SophieJantak 2 года назад

@@KateCavanaugh It really fit the halloween vibe though! Also it subtitled your typing as [applause] and I thought that was so cool XD but just finished the full video and I really enjoyed it, as an anti-word-count-er (haha) it was really nice to see and to hear you talk about it :)

@carocarooligan6230 2 года назад

I think it's absolutely fine to have periods where you focus on word count to pull you through, and to have the 50k premise of NaNoWriMo in November is fun. As soon as you get into editing, though, the focus naturally changes more to pages/ chapters/ plot points, and still tracking words makes less sense. A healthy mix of mentioning milestones or words achieved during vlogs would be nice. 🙃

@LewisPhillips 2 года назад

Love this approach - it's so much easier to be proud of writing accomplishments when it isn't word count based! I've found writing by hand helps with easing this kind of pressure too. Also, if you're still looking for writing craft books to add to your shelf, have you tried Becoming a Writer by Dorothea Brande or Into the Woods by John Yorke?

@KateCavanaugh 2 года назад

Oooh I hadn't heard of either of those but I'll look them up now, thank you!! :)

@christinawhisler 2 года назад

Love your videos. Where did you get the candle? I want one.

@KateCavanaugh 2 года назад

Bath and Body Works!! I really enjoy the vampire one. Both the ~lewk~ and the scent.

@ninanatascha 2 года назад

I hate the pressure to get a book to a certain word count especially first drafts. I am trying to just write and check my word count at the end, but with no certain goal in mind. Just to know for myself. Because writing one word is better than writing no words, because you don't think you will meet your goal anyway. Not hearing word counts was odd, because I am so used to it, but mid way through it didn't seem so odd anymore.

@maebelline 2 года назад

Have you seen the Brandon Sanderson writing lectures that he’s uploaded free onto RU-vid? Might be quite interesting to see your thoughts! Would also love to see “I wrote like Brandon Sanderson for a week” !!

@RKStumblingbear 2 года назад

I only count words during Nanowrimo and that is only looked at after my usual process. My usual process is to write one or two scenes a day.

@marahsoore6452 2 года назад

I have no problem with word count. I have been spoiled by 4 The Words and how they give me low word counts to write, which make me feel like I'm 'done', when I still have a lot more to do. I might be switching away from doing sprits to word counts and instead, do it to time which always makes me type more per minute.

@samanthaallard83 2 года назад

I’m in the editing stage at the moment. The idea is to at least complete a chapter a day, but twice I missed the target because those chapters required a lot more work.

@elizalagonia1049 2 года назад

I like the idea of having a day without thinking or reporting word count. But don't let it take over, you were talking about how long something is suppose to be and mentioning word count and getting nervouse because you weren't suppose to talk about word count. I want to try an experiment in the near future where I make a list of writing prompt then once a week doing a random number generator to pick the prompt I have to write a flash or short story about. Editing it and then posting it on Medium or the like. I think it'll have to be in the new year because I want to finish a few more of my writing goals for this year.

@waterpookable 2 года назад

I love that water bottle! Where did you get it?

@KateCavanaugh 2 года назад

Powell's in Portland!!! I got it back in 2015, I think, but people have told me they sell that one or similar ones online still!!

@annamichelle5859 2 года назад

Does anyone know the song that starts at 1:22? It's so pretty

@KateCavanaugh 2 года назад

When I get to my computer, I'll let you know! It's copyright free in youtube studioA

@annamichelle5859 2 года назад

@@KateCavanaugh thank you !!

@staceycoates1418 2 года назад

To be honest I did not notice that you were not using word counts markers until you brought it to my attention. I wonder if you vlogged this experiment again in a month or so when you have had a few more under your belt if it would feel even more natural for you. I know that when I am writing in sprints while I may have stated how many words I had gotten as I was writing I was thinking of more getting the scene done or a specific time period. But I definitely get what you said (in another video) that talking about word counts has helped you keep your story more anonymous for us. So maybe for the vlogs and livestreams you could state more about how many paragraphs or even better how many pages. Saying I wrote half a page and I know how I want to lead into the next scene now. And no one really knows (or cares) how much half a page is. It can be far more variable than 600 words. So maybe for vlogging that would give you something to start with but not be as stressful as word counts?

@mickeyperkins 2 года назад

I write my first drafts by hand, so I dont have any reference for word count, then when I type the second draft, I usually go by pages left to transcribe. Word count just isnt something I ever really think about, so when people say they got 600 words or 1000 words or have a 10k day, I just have no idea what that means. I can usually guess from their tone if they think it's good or not, but the numbers mean nothing to me.

@maebelline 2 года назад

Omg did you see the love island final?! Were the couple who won the people you wanted?!

@marywockenfuss-thecraftypl6461 2 года назад

Have you started posting that DnD novelization anywhere yet?

@damianjonsson1688 2 года назад

I don't look at the word count until I'm done writing. When I feel satisfied or at a nice stopping point for the day, I'm good. 200 or 2000. I find my worst writing comes out *after* I haven't hit X words and I'm trying to fill that gap with forced creativity or just wasting time filling in parts of a scene that I'll edit out anyways

@KateCavanaugh 2 года назад

That's an excellent point! Measuring by feel and the story beat is usually what I do in untimed/no camera writing sessions too. Like that's where the main joy is. (Sometimes we gotta push past for deadlines or goals but maaaan, I'm with you. The work is much harder then.)

@Authorf418 2 года назад

do you have any advice on finding beta readers? Trustworthy ones

@arianarianariana 2 года назад

omg which couple are you rooting for going into the Love Island finale???

@KateCavanaugh 2 года назад

AAAAAH. Okay, so I've only been watching on US hulu but keeping up with social media spoilers because I can't help myself. The couple who won were my last choice. 🙃 but it's okay, I really loved the villa this year!!!

@KateCavanaugh 2 года назад

Who were you rooting for!?!?

@lissa2891 2 года назад

Zelda vs Socks ❤️❤️❤️🥰🥰🥰

@KateCavanaugh 2 года назад

We are all the winners of this battle bahaha.

@billyalarie929 2 года назад

ooooooooooooooh you do tarot?!

@KateCavanaugh 2 года назад

I'm just now learning!!!

@billyalarie929 2 года назад

@@KateCavanaugh I wanna get into tarot ^_^

@billyalarie929 2 года назад

i could see a "no to word count" approach being far more conducive to talking about ACTUAL STORY STUFF which....... yes, please. i want to know about your PROGRESS ON GETTING THE STORY.

@rainyhammer9235 2 года назад

In all honesty Kate I don't feel like you are one to use wordcount as measurement in your videos.

@AuthorZaraHoffman 2 года назад

Except when she’s done some nano vlogs or certain experiments

@jamjam0409 Год назад

You are INFP or ENFP. You should check mbti.

@LeeAnneRMT 2 года назад

It was RU-vid that made me care about word counts. I used to think in term of how far I wrote in terms of story, chapters or pages. Word count makes it more frustrating to delete chunks of words. Instead of thinking about how much I improved the story I'm thinking I erased 800 words and wrote 750 so now I'm behind.