What was amazing was Steve's ability to remember all that. What was the best was the banter throughout and after haha. Adam getting all worked up for how awful it was as a segment was great. Jesse blaming him for the math being wrong was even better. Strong finish boys, strong finish.
The problem I have with that entire segment on the Oilers and Vegas is that Steve is making the story entirely about the reffing, when in reality it is a subplot at best. Blaming the refs takes all accountability away from RNH being a ghost, Kane not showing up (unless to crosscheck someone in the neck), Draisaitl having a horrific final 4 games after a dominating first 2, Woodcroft being throughly outcoached by BC, and Skinner wildly underperforming. It also takes all credit away from Vegas flat out being the better team in the series. How many times does it need to be said… if your team is putting itself into a situation where they’re relying on a 4 minute penalty, or an extra game suspension (from an extremely deep d core in Vegas) to win, do you really deserve to be there? Oilers were the second best team, and they lost because of that, they were not ‘jobbed’ because of the refs.
Also every league has moments like this. Ask the Saints, ask any team that played against the Warriors and got bowled over by illegal screens. Steve thinks its an nhl inly issue and its just not.
@@MattAlbie that may have played into his drop off in production, absolutely. Even if he wasn’t injured, it may have turned into a mental block for him. A couple counter points - it certainly didn’t look like he was too injured, to me the pucks just stopped going in for him, he still had plenty shot attempts and possession time, but his shooting percentage regressed to the mean. It’s unreasonable to assume he was going to continue scoring 3 a game like he was on pace for after the first two games. If he was injured- we’ve seen him play on one foot before in the playoffs, and still continue to be dominant. And again, it doesn’t excuse the rest of the team for not showing up. Relying on 2 star players is not a recipe for success in the playoffs, as we’ve seen - if one of them gets injured, or they simply have a cold streak, the team as a whole is hung out to dry. To your point, if the injury or dry streak didn’t happen - the series probably goes to 7 games but I still think Vegas was the better team and would have won in the end.
I dont understand why this is so hard for Steve to understand. Refs make bad calls against every team. The league makes bad calls against every team. If you put yourself in a position that a bad call can cost you your season, thats on you. You know the ref could make a bad call at any moment, so dont go down 3 games with home advantage. Yes, the officials and the department of player safety both need to improve tremendously, but its not why either team lost their series. Very nice to hear the level-headed take from Adam and Jesse. Great episode guys!
Because the refs are biased towards every team that isn't the Leafs. That's why. The refs never, ever, ever miss calls or make bad ones against the other 31 teams. It's all a conspiracy
I'm so sick of people letting the league off the hook. I mean other than if it's in a contract the refs sign (which would be under NDA) there's nothing making the refs answer for their actions. Nothing stopping them from making calls based on emotion and retaliation (which we know for a fact they do) Nothing to stop them from accepting things from the players (which we know they do) and for that matter nothing I can find that stops them from betting on games they officiate. I mean there's a rule players can't and everyone knows about it but I could find no rule whatsoever from the NHL that says a ref cannot bet on games they officiate, never mind stopping them from betting at all. If the refs aren't rigging games and betting on them they are stupid, there's zero to stop them from doing it and when they retaliate against players fans are literally saying it's the players fault. That has nothing to do with the Leafs, it's a joke.
@@joer8854 Refs should be held accountable in all leagues. They should be forced to take the podium and explain themselves after a poor performance, just as a coach or player has to. That being said, no, refs cannot bet on games, so you can let go of that conspiracy. The actual reason for the poor state of officiating is the lack of accountability paired with the fact that it's a fast game and probably the hardest to officiate. NHL should have a ref that is watching multiple video angles, who can also blow the whistle and make calls. If you think the league is being let off the hook, just go look up how many articles there are about the poor officiating. That is not the conversation being had here. What Jesse is saying in the video and what I'm saying here is, we all know that refs are bad and make bad calls. If you put yourself in a position that a bad call costs you a game or series, that's on you. Leafs got away with dozens of penalties themselves, so it's not one team getting an advantage over the other.
"Yes, the officials and the department of player safety need to improve tremendously" full stop that's the entire point. No one is saying the Leafs would've won that series if everything was called consistently and fairly. Just like how no one thinks the Oilers would've won their series if everything was called consistently and fairly. No team should have their season ended by a highly controversial call or non-call regardless of how poorly they played the series up to that point. And I say this as a Bruins fan (oh boy, here comes the dislikes). I'm well aware that there are times when the Bruins are favored by the refs. I don't like that. I don't enjoy watching the Bruins win when officiating is biased towards them, I feel dirty afterwards (even though they did get royally screwed in 2019). Point is what I've already said, no team should get their season ended because the refs or dops don't know how to do their jobs. I don't care if the team got swept. It's a disgraceful way to end a series.
Steve. I don’t know if this is frustration from the leafs getting eliminated or if you just need a break from hockey for a few months or what. But good lord, you whining about the refs is getting seriously old. You could have spent half an hour dissecting one of the most exciting series this playoffs between Edmonton and Vegas. Talked about the storylines of Eichel vs McDavid, Skinner vs Hill, the disappearance of any semblance of depth on edmonton, Vegas’ 5v5 domination, edmontons incredible powerplay. But nope - Instead, we got 30 minutes of you complaining about how the (very obviously) second best team in the series got JOBBED because of the refs. You know that if changes to reffing happen, it will be in the off-season, why have I listened to this same conversation 47287381 times during the season? I understand nothing matters now that the leafs (and now all Canadian teams) are out, but if you actually watched the games you would have known without Pietro, Vegas is still the better team and deserved to win the series. That was a very disappointing “series recap”.
This was a hard episode to listen to. The whining was insufferable. Steve's voice went up an octave the whole segment. Yes the officiating sucks, yes DoPS sucks, yes the league leadership sucks but you know what...it sucks for all teams and fans bases.
And all other sports. Just look up any league in any other professional sport and you'll find a ton of controversy over officiating. This idea that the nhl is the only league that has it wrong is just stupid salty take
I think... Steve needs a vacation. Sorry the NHL sucks, but you guys are great. Thanks for doing what you do! Edit a day later: Please remember this is the COMPLIMENTS SECTION. If you can't keep your comments kind I'll just delete mine and the whole thread diappears.
No I think he just needs a vacation because he’s completely gone off the deep end. I appreciate Jesse trying to keep him in check during his ridiculous rant about the officiating. I’m sorry but he’s completely lost it. Steve take some time off and just relax. Because it’s just a tough listen right now with him. Let Adam and Jesse take the wheel for a week or two
@@drewlally2324 he's such an actual baby. The NHL isn't applying the rules unfairly. Everyone has the same rules. It isn't ANYONE else's fault that the Canadian teams haven't been contenders for so long they've forgotten what the sport actually is. Toughen up or keep losing.
@@B2RolandIdk why you're making this about Canadian teams, Steve pointed out how Boston got screwed as well. He wants better officiating for ALL teams. Why is there always some crybaby who makes it canadian teams vs us teams?
@@drewlally2324 I think he's always lacked a bit of perspective in that regard. He treats NHL officials like they're worse than any other sport, as if every fan of every other sport doesn't do the exact same thing. He's never had much professionalism, he's just a stupid fan like the rest of us. It's his blessing and his curse.
The Steve whining on officiating is borderline insufferable. Yes it’s bad. Yes you can say it’s bad. No amount of whining is going to change anything. Not to mention, every leagues officiating is suspect this isn’t as unique as we think it is. Hockey is an especially hard sport to officiate. This whole “everyone should get penalized/ suspended to the furthest extent possible for every infraction” idea doesnt exist in reality. All the whining just discredits everything else that happens in the games, Jesse is right.
The whole blaming the refs conversation is honestly wild. Yes, officiating has been bad. But the Leafs getting knocked out by a gentleman's sweep isn't because of the refs. The Oilers, while getting screwed with Petro being allowed to be in game 6, didn't lose because of the refs. They lost because they only could produce on the powerplay. And how about Evander Kane just running dudes over and crosschecking them in the head, where is the mention of that? This is just sour grapes for the sake of sour grapes. Not to mention, hockey's problem isn't that the refs are bad and that's why they're struggling to gain ground. Literally every sport has this issue. How about when the NFL was claimed to be scripted? Did that hurt the shield? Nope. How about baseball now that everyone wants robot umps, does that hurt baseball? Nope. How about the NBA where you've literally had evidence of a ref fixing games, did that hurt the NBA? Nope. So what is Steve even talking about? Instead talk about how that game was at 10PM EST when there were no other games on and it involved two high flying teams with the two best players in the world. That's why the NHL struggles, not because of officiating. The biggest problem is Steve can't see that lately he has become insufferable with his crying.
Hey, Steve, where was this over the top reaction when Kane was throwing punches on a player on his back with his arms pinned above his head? Where was this reaction when Pietrangalo got cross-checked in the head? Agree whole heartedly Pietrangalo should have been suspended more than 1 game but to seriously say that the Oilers got jobbed when Evander Kane was running amuk the first half of the series, and Stone was constantly taking cross checks right above the pants (one of which directly lead to a goal for Edmonton), the take is an absolute joke.
The Oilers always have problems with other teams cause other teams get fed up with the Oilers dirty BS I remember last year in the playoffs Nurse headbutted Danault, Mike Smith speared someone in the nuts, and Draisaitl two handed slashed someone in the leg after the play.. Draisaitl literally has a highlight reel of him intentionally hitting guys in the nuts idk why they're not universal recognized as a dirty team
Boy I'm so not here for Steve's take on the Oilers. EVERY single team gets jobbed in every single game in the NHL playoffs. Does the officiating suck? Absolutely. Should it be better? Absolutely. But Jesse is right. You don't control that. You control how you respond to those moments, and you control how you execute. As a fan of the most recent SC Champion, the Avs got jobbed many times in that run. Sometimes it hurt them, and sometimes it didn't. Whatever the case, they rarely let it effect them. They controlled what they could, their response, and how they played.
The game that Peitrangelo didn’t play the Knights not only won, they killed off a 5 minute power play that was in the third period. Bottom line Vegas was the better team.
Game 3 of the Jets series the Knights literally didnt have their 2nd pair of D for that game and still won. Things that people dont realize is that Vegas actually has more depth than Edmonton in every way possible.
Um Vegas didn't kill the 5 minute major play because the Oilers got 1 power goal from it. Secondly, Vegas had almost a 2 minute 5 v 3 which is where the two goals came from. Bottom line, you were only the better team because of Hills play and you got some good officiating called in your favor.
Steve out here complaining about a double minor and Petro's suspension when Mark Stone was getting cross-checked in the back every time the Oilers had an opportunity. Shea Theodore got cross-checked in the back FOUR TIMES and the refs called him for a slash for his troubles. The reffing is bad both ways. It's not just the Oilers getting fucked.
@@rubberstick2301 Never said it did. Petro deserved to be out for 3+ games for that. I just hate this narrative that the Oilers got jobbed when the reffing was completely inconsistent through the whole series.
Well to defend Steve he doesn’t even like the nhl. Quote not a real league. Sarcastic, sick league comments. Even says how could anyone new to the sport watch what the nhl game and understand the rules because of the refs
Blame the refs for the oilers all series you want Vegas utterly outplayed them after game 2 and deserved to win this series. Leon scored 1 point in the final four games Hyman scored 1 the whole series RNH scored 1 the whole series The oilers coach was destroyed and to me that doesn't change if Pietrangelo's suspended 3-4 games. The Knights just took over that series. Yes officiating and especially the player safety department is a joke But the oilers lost this series because their players did not show up
The oilers did not get screwed because of officiating. The "missed" high stick was a follow through. What screwed the Oilers was their defense, goaltending and their lack of 5 on 5
You can literally see the follow through right at full speed... not sure what Steve's talking about here. That's the one thing that's been consistently called.
I was a fan of hockey but the officiating sucked so I went to baseball. That didn’t work out. Went to basketball. That didn’t work out. Went to football. That was devastating. I tried F1 and I need a word more aggressive than devastating. I watch hockey again.
Yup. Facts. Every single sport has these problems and the arguments are so exhausting. Steve has lost his mind if this is the hill he's willing to die on.
@@B2Roland The difference is the NHL's problem is by design. The NFL refs don't miss calls on purpose because "X team already had 3 penalties this game!" The NHL officials intentionally go out of their way to not call the rules as opposed to NFL refs just missing things.
As an Oilers fan, Woodcroft was out-coached. Sure the officiating would have probably swayed some results in the series but at the end of the day, complaining about the refs costing you a game in the NHL is like being late to work because of traffic. It doesn't matter, because you always have to take traffic into account.
Cassidy is probably the most underrated coach in the league. I think Woodcroft deserves some leniency, hopefully he learns from this experience and gets more from team depth going forward
TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE UNWRITTEN RULES THAT AREN'T WRITTEN AND ONLY APPLY IN THE PLAYOFFS? What a professional league. Sure. This is why hockey is not growing like other sports. Can we take into account two handed slashes that only get one game suspensions? Are, are you supposed to take that into account before the playoffs? I feel like that's not supposed to be part of the game for, some weird rule related reason.
Except traffic you can normally account for, you cant account for what rulebook the reffs decide to bring to the game. I just look at the Tavares goal last year being called back because Justin Holl lightly bumped into someone, then looking at Gudas holding that stick and that counting and somehow being able to forge a gameplan around all this terrible reffing and inconsistency.
@@F5BOTD Edmonton and Leafs both got shafted by the reffs, im not saying it was the entire reason both these teams lost, both teams didn’t deserve to win these series but it still leaves that “what if” factor that other leagues dont have to deal with. NBA gets most their foul calls right, football gets most of their flags right, in the NHL, it almost seems like they get half their calls wrong and it leaves a large part of the games outcome decided by the reffs.
The petro slash is a suspension because it was intent to injure (other slashes go uncalled all game) but, given that logic, every single cross check to the spine of mark stone should also have been suspensions because the clear intent is to injure him.
A two hand wack to a star's wrists is much different than a cross check that happens every game. Two handed wacks to the wrists don't happen every game, cross checks do and aren't always called.
You have no logic and try to downplay the slash behind whataboutism, Whats next Stone gets a pink jersey so he can play the crease and not get checked like every fing player in the history of the game? How about VGK stop crying about it with one hand while do it themselves with the other?
@@jasonb5987 I agree, but an intentional two handed wack to the wrists warrants a long suspension, no hockey fan with a brain would disagree. Vegas got lucky it was only 1 game.
What Steve wasn't getting is that you can't get jobbed if every team is dealing with the same sh*t and Jesse and Adam were trying so hard to explain that to him.
Except you can. If your a team built around skill and speed, and the other team is built to be a dirty grind it out team, your going to get screwed when the refs swallow their damn whistles and dont call penalties. We see it TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME in every years playoffs. The solution shouldnt be get dirty goons and play dirty hockey. The solution should be to stick a stick up the refs ass and force them to officiate the games correctly.
Jesse was 100% right about why the Oilers lost the series and Steve just bulldozes over him talking about a couple missed calls and blaming the refs. Refs have not been stellar, but they aren't the sole reason Oilers or Leafs lost and it's getting annoying to hear. Honestly wish Jesse had more opportunities to drive talk
1:22:11 What Steve isn't grasping is that Adam and Jesse are accepting the world as it is, not as they would like it to be; until the world IS as they would like it to be, they have to prepare as best they can for the world AS IT IS. If the Oilers didn't suck ass through a garden hose at 5-on-5, they wouldn't need to whine about missed penalties, because they wouldn't need to rely on power plays to even the playing field.
Jesse being the absolute voice of reason here, IMO. Yes, the suspension could/should have been longer and Vegas lucked out by Pietrangelo only getting one game. Kane did things that could have also warranted a suspension, yet he got away with it and managed 1 whopping point in the entire series. You're forgetting to mention that Edmonton just didn't show up. McDavid and Draisaitl came to play, but beyond that, the team just wasn't as good as Vegas because they had depth (even with Pietrangelo out for a game) and Edmonton had to ride their two superstars. Vegas had better scoring, better goalie depth, and better defense. Steve sounds salty that the game was decided in Vegas's favor by officiating, but also that it wasn't decided for Edmonton by the officiating. It's a bit of a double-standard.
The thing is. Leon didn't after game 2 In the final four games of the series, he had 1 point, if you include say game 3? It's up to 3 pts. so really, Mcdavid was the only who really came to play for the whole series. You mentioned Kane getting 1 point, what about RNH Guy had 100+ pts in the regular season with 37 goals Scores one all playoffs and is a -6. Hell Hyman had 1 goal So outside of Leon i tend to completely agree with you. The Oilers just got outplayed and i really don't think Pietrangelo getting say 2 or 3 games changes that tbh. The oilers were not playing well especially after 2, the Knights are just the better and more importantly, complete team. Blame the refs all day doesn't change that for the most part, especially since game 2, The oilers starts outside of Mcdavid did not show up
Steve's rant has some very good points however he conveniently left out the incidents that benefited Toronto - blatant high stick on Hagel that should have given Tampa Bay a PP in OT, the disallowed Point goal that was 100% a goal, Matthew Tkachuk & Sam Bennett both getting tripped in the final minutes against the Leafs getting ignored. Every team, including the Leafs benefits from bad officiating in the playoffs. Some teams just play within the 'rules' better than others.
I hate the argument that the leafs got screwed because of the pandemic. If the pandemic didnt happen and the cap kept going up then Tampa bay, Colorado, Pittsburgh, Boston, Vegas would ALL be much better because they had to lose a lot of solid players because of the flat cap. The 3 11 million dollar contracts have been a disaster. End of story. Steve is coming off so whiny af these last 2 pods. Adam is just being completely rational and trying talk him down
Moreover, cap going up doesn't necessarily mean more ability to keep players. It goes up for every team, so while its groth would indeed lessen the percentage which core-4 takes, it would just increase market price for players
you can tell steve doesnt watch the NFL with how he complains about the refs. Watch the NFL playoffs, every game there is a big call that screws one team. Refs are bad at their job, deal with it.
How many oiler players pretended to slash pietrangelo whenever he touched the puck?...He was living rent free in their heads...focus on the task at hand not what happened two games ago..
Steve seems to constantly think that if you win a game and take a series to 3 games against to 2, then they automatically, retroactively make the series 4-0 and give you the series win. One penalty wasn't going to win that series. There's as much chance of the Leafs scoring a PP goal to win as there is Florida beating the PP and getting one at even strength or even getting one short-handed. The last gasps of a dying team aren't enough to win playoff games
Oiler and Leaf fans are becoming unbearable with this stuff about reffing and suspensions. How about giving the teams that advanced a little credit? This whole "not saying it's the refs fault we lost, but here's why it's the refs fault" shtick is pretty lame.
Love steve, but he really does need a Holiday. Jesse is giving the level headed take here. Everyone has got screwed in these playoffs. Vegas fans will point to Mark Stone nearly getting killed several times in the series. The refs suck, but as they've said all the way along - don't leave it in the hands of the officials. 97/29 scored at beyond elite levels and the Oilers are not deep enough to win with them, simple.
That chop to Drai never happens if the refs call the boarding call by Kane 30 seconds before... It's really simple. Oilers had more powerplays across the series than Vegas, yet vegas dominated them across the series. I'm far from a vegas fan, but if you're going to blame the refs for Edmonton losing, lets discuss the Yamamoto crosschecking stone into the post/goalie skate that resulted in a goal for edmonton right after... Yes, the officiating sucks ass, the fact that Eberle only got a 2 minute boarding penalty for breaking Cogliano's neck is stunning incompetence, but every team has to deal with it.
What wasnt said about Marchessault and Reilly Smith both have more than 60 playoff points with Vegas. The all time playoff point leader of the Panthers, Barkov, has 30 points.
1) Steve you should just go make videos for another “league” since the NHL isn’t one and this is your new excuse 2) The last episode “Changes” was a good example of why you guys deserve NHL rights to show clips. But this episode was another reason why you don’t.
This whole"they didn't lose because of the refs" argument is old. Maybe that call didn't lose the game, but they do add up. Any OTHER sport in the world would be investigated. Officiating is OBVIOUSLY influencing the outcomes of games. It's not just Leafs it's every damn Canadian team. Refusing to hold them accountable is either greed or cowardice.If the game calls for it, Canadian teams HAVE to respond. Remind them Canadians aren't ALWAYS nice. What comes around goes around.
It's still funny to me that Bunting's hit that got him a 3 game suspension might not even make the top 5 for the dirtiest plays of the playoffs so far and we still have 2 full rounds left to go. By the time the playoffs end Bunting's hit might not even be in the top 10 and yet I guarantee he'll still be the only person to get more then 1 game.
1:15:00 ... I 100% agree with Steve here. Every single NHL recap should start with how bad the refs screwed up that night and it should be until the league does something to fix the problem.
Agreed. I cant help but think about last years playoffs when Tavares’s goal was called back because Holl lightly bumped into someone. Imagine showing someone that play versus that blatant Radko Gudas hold and saying the Cousins goal counted and the Tavares goal did not. Jesse and Adam are wrong saying the reffs didn’t effect these series because they 100% did.
@@CaptainFordo21 Panthers deserved to win the series. Still, the reffs inconsistency’s and constant rulebook changing still leaves that “what if” factor that other sports dont deal with. NBA gets most their fouls right, NFL gets most their flags right, MLB gets most their strikes right, NHL playoff calls are completely random and leave people scratching their heads.
Steve's comment at 20:00 about terror for leafs games is just so true. I'm almost (but not really) relieved the season is over. The stress was so high. It's weird, never had this with any other sport and I'm an avid all sports watcher/fan. I'm still happy about the season, it gave me so much happiness. The leafs had a low bar but at least they got over it this year!!! I'm optimistic of the future. I also hope Dubas does the best thing for him and his family. He's a great GM, but maybe a better person.
The Edmonton vs VGK conversation is funny because the Wild built for this ruleset and somehow they managed to get treated different to the rest of the playoffs. Wild built for it, and still got screwed.
@@jeffb7244 A Florida hockey team just went to the last 3 Stanley cup finals. If a successful team is magically going to make Florida fans care about Florida hockey it would have already happened. Why would the league rig it again for another Florida team? There no conspiracy. Under your conspiracy the league is actively hurting its ratings and in turn pissing off tv viewership in hopes that the Hurricanes, a team that has won and cup and didnt get popular, and the Panthers, another Florida team, magically become popular against all evidence.
Find it funny that nobody threw a fit about Kanes intentional hit on Pietrangelo in game 3 that didn’t even get a review from Player Saftey. Both sides got bad calls and as far I’m concerned Pietro only getting 1 game is fair because Kane got none. Oh and that stick on Ekholm wasn’t a penalty literally everyone except a handful Oilers fans are saying it wasn’t a penalty.
The Pietrangelo slash gained more traction on social media. It’s really as simple as that. Most people aren’t paying attention, they’re just staring at their phones, reacting to whatever catches their attention. Not a huge deal, especially since the game just happens without our input anyway.
I mean, it fits the narrative that the refs are goddamn awful at their jobs and causing issues. As well as DOPS doing a shitty job of actually doing what its supposed to.
Steve needs a break, vacation etc. Yes the refs are garbage, and the league is garbage. Unfortunately Steve, the Oilers are in the West, which is by all accounts the easier conference. They have a good roster… EXCEPT GOALTENDING. Campbell at 5 million and soon to be 2.6 million for Skinner after next season. There’s 7.6 mill. Their defense isn’t stellar either. So when you have two of the best players in the NHL, and you can’t get it done, something needs to shake up.
There will never be a better time to restock the cupboards with picks and young talent for the next decade+ then right now - Marner, Matthews and Nylander close to expiring contracts and at their peak value. Or we can run it back and hope they eventually find some jam in their game lol
Why is Jesse Blake the voice of reason sometimes, especially when it becomes in regards of calls. He’s 💯 when using the fact that teams are screwing themselves first because of poor performances that done them in first. I’m getting tired of Dangle saying the NHL is a joke league. Considering the NBA has rules for some and none for the rest, that Angel Hernandez and other umpires still have a job in baseball and you can throw a dart at any NFL game and say it was rigged means that it’s sports wise. Also, for Steve to think NHL officiating will be called like the regular season is so naive. It’s been like this even when the Broad Street Bullies were around. The unfortunate thing is, the refs in this years playoffs have been rash in every series. Finally the reason why the NHL is dead last in team sports is because it costs even 200-300 dollars for equipment to play street hockey and it’s 4x worse w/ ice.
When it comes to hockey being last, I don't think many Canadians understand that hockey is a very expensive sport in most countries. Especially if compared to the likes of football, basketball or baseball.
Okay I'm so freaking sick of hearing "trying to break Draisatl's wrist" when he never even came close to hitting his wrist. Pietrangelo's axe chop was stupid as hell and should have gotten 2 games suspension, but he hit the upper part of Leon's arm, on a pad, which didn't even result in an injury. Had that hit the wrist, Draisatl was not playing Game 5 and 6 either cause he was out. Justifying the Oilers loss with all the non-calls or bad reffing is absolutely asinine and petty, as Oilers always got away with a heck lot of things, just like Vegas. Trash take by Steve that only keeps ranting about the refs for their teams to be outplayed and outcoached... Props to Jesse for straightening that up and actually giving an absolutely great team some credit for once.
@@ponli7532 i mean there is always a chance bud. Shanahans hallmark moments came as a member of the Wings, and the franchise is stacked in the FO with all the same guys he made them with.
@@kurtmooreca there is a chance that Shanahan joins Red Wings, but that Yzerman and Shanhan would swap roles with having zero experience as the other I find illogical.
as a Habs fan, I can tell Pens fans that Bergevin is a great choice if you want to remain in win now mode. In fact, probably Bergevin's biggest flaw is he doesn't believe in the rebuild. These guys don't know what they are talking about
I'm a pens fan and I'm terrified, but this helps a little. I hope you're right, it just seems like we have no where to go but down now, I think Dubas is our best chance at one last cup. I don't want another hextall.
@@josephcooper171 no Bergevin is the right guy for the job in Pittsburg. IF the stars play like they played this year, Bergevin will build a true contender
remember how a few episodes ago they mentioned that no one cared that Dallas was in the Stanley Cup final back in 2020 except stars fans? game 7 was tonight and instead of a game preview or discussion about that game for the final 4, it was another 20 minute segment about the refs. i feel like this horse has been beaten to death. Stars did win btw, so they'll be up against vegas for the conference final.
it’s always so fun seeing steve grasping at a sort of revolutionary politics, chafing at jesse and adam’s insistence on good liberal reform minded workings within the system, and then realizing that he’s only capable of doing so when it relates to a hockey team.
@@CJ-oj8om yes he's right. working within the flawed system will only reproduce the problems you are describing. wonder what other aspects of life we could apply this kind of thinking to?
Steve's saltiness about the reffing/league/Leafs losing is starting to get a bit hard to watch. Yes, the reffing is frustrating at times (especially when the call is missed at a critical juncture), but it starts to become a bit much when it's all you can talk about. The fact of the matter is the fans are just as inconsistent about what they want called or not. Wasn't Steve going on about an illegal pick getting called against the Leafs in game 7 of last year and saying you never call that in a playoff game? Jesse has the right take. Sometimes the reffing will come down for you or against you, or at least it will be perceived that way, but if you can't muster enough effort to win the game when the refs come down against you, you can't expect to win the Stanley Cup. EVERY team deals with it. Not just the Leafs or the Oilers.
Vegas figured out the Oilers PP, their only trump card. Yes, that should've been double minor on the Ekholm high stick. No doubt. Surprised they didn't call it but then again... Vegas only let in 1 goal during the 5min major in Game 5. They learned how to shut down 97 and 29 and the rest of the Oilers looked lost without those 2. Petro should've been suspended longer, but their depth in defense made up for it in Game 5 and would've done in Game 6. Kane should've been suspended from Game 2. Nurse's suspension was deserved and can't argue that. Vegas still had the depth and that's CRUCIAL in the playoffs, something the Leafs don't have hence why Vegas is in the CF and Leafs are out.
I really hope they didn’t figure out why Steve got 60 because I’m typing this before it ends. The total teams he could guess was 81 because it spans over 20 seasons. 20 times 4 plus 1 (since they did this before Stars/Kraken) is 81 hahahaha. Jesse didn’t mess up.
My god, Steve whining about officiating just shows how clueless and salty he is about the over-rated and over-hyped Canadian teams failing again. Officiating has been the same for decades, get over it, buck up, and find a way. The good teams find a way regardless of what call they do or do not get for or against them.
Listening to Adam talk about Marc Bergevin as a Habs fan was rough. Saying Petry was Bergevin's "one good trade" is so wildly incorrect. He wasn't a great team builder, despite building a Stanley Cup finalist, but outside of the Drouin trade, he rarely missed. Here's a list of trades during his tenure where the Canadiens are likely considered the winners, some by a wide margin: Pacioretty for Tatar + Suzuki + 2nd Diaz for Weise Weise + Fleischmann for Danault + 2nd (Romanov) Subban for Weber Galchenyuk for Domi... ...Domi + 3rd for Anderson 4th for Scandella... ...Scandella for 2nd + 4th (1 month later) Valiev + Taormina for Kulak Gorges for 2nd + 2nd Collberg + 2nd for Vanek + 5th Cole for Ryder + 3rd His mistakes were letting UFAs walk (Markov, Danault, Radulov), signing Alzner, choosing Dvorak over Kotkaniemi, and some questionable player development. I really don't think Bergevin is a bad GM at all. Would he be my first choice? No. But he showed time and time again to be strong at asset management, there were countless players who peaked in Montreal, and paired with the right surrounding staff, I think he can be a successful GM once again.
Did Steve really just say the Bruins got screwed by the refs in 2019? OH MY GOD. Wow. I think Steve has fallen out of love with this sport and maybe should consider taking a temporary leave and cover a different sport for a bit. The refs have been an issue since the 1920's. This will not change. Stop making every game about the refs...hockey is a beautiful sport and there is so much talent left in these playoffs to talk about.
You can tell Steve didn’t watch a single Vegas oilers game. The entire series EDM was trying to Injure stone with illegal cross checks to his newly repaired back that were NEVER called. Which is the reason alex did the slash. It was RETALIATION NOT him just doing it trying to hurt him
Yea but the cross checks are legal. Part of the playoffs. Why the refs ignored all those crosschecks. Shouldn’t be but that’s the nhl. Not a real league
cross-checks are legal, using ur stick as an axe is not - well, it is...a 1 game suspension makes it legal and a 1 game suspension for "instigating" a fight for Nurse is a joke as well. Go life in ur casino, desert, we take water from the rest of the desert to make is a superdesert vegas.
The marlies are currently in the 3rd round, they had a bye for the first round then beat Utica in 4 games. The ahl must've changed the format because rounds 2-4 I believe are 5 game series and the final is 7.
You guys can talk about making adjustments in the playoffs and ultimately it’s Edmonton and Torontos fault for not changing for the officiating. But Jesse kept saying you know the rules going into next round. NO YOU DONT. The problem isn’t “putting the whistles away”, it’s inconsistency in calls. Marc Staal throws an elbow and no call when just last round Bunting did the same thing and was suspended. How do you truly adjust for that? Refs call what they want, when they want. You can get tougher sure, but you never truly know how each game will be called. So let’s just call it like it is. Leafs and Oilers were jobbed on calls in the series, whether or not they deserved to win.
Playoff hockey has been the same way for 100 years but if this iteration of the leafs actually adapted to it, you think the league changes the rules? This fanbase is actually insane.
The nhl just needs to take the situation room, expand it, add cameras to every arena to allow for full coverage of the ice and net, utilize tracking tech like tennis for challenges where they can analyze a digital version next to the real version and have refs hanging out elsewhere to bust up fights/line brawls.
But you see the NHL doesnt want to expand their broadcast tech like the NHL, their fine being sub par because that means less money into the suits pockets from the revenue the NHL generates. If the NHL needs to start buying all the fancy cameras that Tennis and the NFL have then Bettman and his merry men wouldnt be able to afford the Yacht they spend their time on in the off season.
Sounds like Steve needed a lot of "candy and nuts" for all of his "ifs and buts"...what if this, but that...he was entitled and maybe justified to the salt but if "IFS AND BUTS WERE CANDY AND NUTS, WE'D ALL HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS."
Pietrangelo was suspended for game 5. Vegas still won. We won't know what would have happened in game 6 if he was suspended, but there is zero reason to believe they couldn't do the same in game 6. Sorry, but the Oilers were a team of power play merchants the entire series with a coach that, for reasons that could not be explained, started a goalie that was pulled twice in the series prior to game 6. Both Karlsson and Eichel contained McDavid enough and Draisaitl was a no-show. That's the reason for the loss.
