Agreed. The Quran acted as the Kasorti, the Touch Stone. The Quran encourages us all to use our intellect, to think, to ponder, to search, to research, to be taught, to teach etc etc. The Quran was the inspiration for the Islamic Golden Age. Sadly we lost our ability to " think." The Mullah turned our Deen into a Madhab and hence we stagnated as an Ummah! The West then took over the mantle.
Ibn Khaldun is a much understudied theorist. I've begun to read the Muqaddimah recently, and am using it to develop geopolitical theory. Really needs to be studied and appreciated much more widely.
I'm reading The Muqaddimah for my Islamic Historiography class. I was shocked to see how modern the work seemed. I've read lots of late medieval work and this stands apart. It reminded me of Moses Maimonides' Guide for the Perplexed, which focused mostly on theology, but was shockingly modern in its methodology and language.
I grew up and been raised in Western Europe and I have never heard any other great scholars other than that every great scholar was from West world which is not true but rather a distortion of the truth of history...according to what I have learned later in life. Even the textbooks in the education literature you will never see any other scholars, except of those from "Western Hemisphere", who made any great contribution to the development of mankind. So one may ask oneself, why people had refused to acknowledge the accumulating knowledge from somewhere else that have had a great impact on the development of Western civilization? It must be one of two things, either they were in era of stealing and accumulating knowledge or are they merely deluded to the point of clinical madness which leads us into an unpleasant state of senseless-ignorance and greed-arrogance.
i have studied political science and as a social scientist Ibn Khaldun is the founder of my profession. but at the university in Berlin he was never mentioned to students in his important role except by a Tunisian social scientist. i am also an atheist and one of the first atheists (more radical than me) was al-Ma´arri who lived tousand years ago in Syria. first i know him from another atheist from the Middel East last year. i am also a transsexual woman and few years ago i learned from a lecture that in Muslim countries regardless of all restrictions people at least admit the existence of transsexuals. so people in the west were denied the sources of their identies if these sources are not from European origin. regardless of all western made progress in the field of sciences these arrogance has contributed to a lot of desasters and backlashes
Depends on the usefulness of the translations. The Torah and the New Testament come from the middle east and are integral to the western tradition. Ibn Sina influenced medicine profoundly, and influenced Thomas Aquinas philosophically. Meanwhile I tell you that Frantz Fanon has TOO MUCH influence.
you can read history you will know the reason , During the Islam Golden ages , Global Education systems , knowledge and translation movement , The church saw science as wizardry and it should be banished and prohibited, they used to destroy any science book that they could find in Europe which mostly would come from middle east , later the conflicts started by Crusade Wars , and Church acknowledged the technological superiority of Muslims and they began to adopt science in order to build machines and weapons ..and medicines ...etc but they tried to hide the original author names and make a Latin name instead , so people wouldn't know this books were actually written by Muslims, like Ibn Rushd became Avveroes , Ibnu Cena became Vanessin , Al Khawarizmi , Became Algorithm , and soon ... so for hundreds of years the Europeans adopted this sciences from this unknown authors and developed upon it , without being grateful to Islamic civilization , it's just recent in history that they started realizing that and started renaming books to their original authors ... unfortunately What has been done is already done, they now have their own scientists and writers and they do not need to mentioned their older Muslim counterparts.
BeverlySchnett al maarri was a vegetarian as well by the way westerns says that democracy are western culture and that not true The Phoenicians and Egyptians knew democracy before Greece let alone the philosophy and The science that Greeks stole from the Egyptians
Excellent discussion. I feel the lack of insight into Ibn Khaldun and other such figures symbolizes the many issues in the contemporary Muslim world. There is a true lack of balance and much of this is because we do not have a well rounded structure of learning. The Renaissance was essentially the Western world rediscovering the great works of Greece and other ancient societies but placing them within their own context. This was followed by an enlightenment because they were able to understand the flow of history and how to prepare for the future. A similar transformation is needed in the Muslim world, as it will enable people to understand history but also the multiple aspects of human thought over time. This can potentially lead to better understand how to prepare for this world and enable future generations to go much further.
@@read1communications, you have some great content. I was looking up some information on Ibn Khaldun and came across your channel. Your work is really important and it's refreshing to see this being produced.
Thank you so much for sharing this. Indeed Ibn Khaldoun's work is worth sharing and studying. All social scientists scholars have to read and study The Muqqadimah because it is the book that laid down the development of modern social sciences. Thank you Khalil Shadeed for facilitating this video.
Very interesting. Also nice to see that you seem genuinely interested in the subject so that it's not just the interviewee spilling things out but an active discussion between both parties. Hope to start reading it soon. Thanks for the upload.
Not true. he was ethnically Arabic. He said it explicitly in his autobiography that he is of Arab descendants; he traced his descent back to the time of Muhammad through an Arab tribe from Yemen. Also, his full name is Ibn Khaldūn Al-Ḥaḍrami. "Hadrami" means from "Hadhramaut" which is a city in Yemen where his ancestors came from.
Ibn Khaldun wrote in Muqaddimah: "It is a remarkable fact that, with few exceptions, most Muslim scholars both in the religious and in the intellectual sciences have been non-Arabs [ajams/Persians]. Even if a scholar is of Arab origin, he is Persian in language and upbringing and has Persian teachers […] […] the founders of grammar were Sibawayh [Persian from Shiraz] and, after him, al-Farsi and az-Zajjaj. All of them were of ajam (Persian) descent. They were brought up in the Arabic language and acquired the knowledge of it through their upbringing and through contact with Arabs. They invented the rules of (grammar) and made (grammar) into a discipline (in its own right) for later (generations to use). Most of the hadith scholars who preserved traditions for the Muslims also were ajams (Persians), or Persian in language and upbringing, because the discipline was widely cultivated in the ‘Iraq and the regions beyond. (Furthermore,) all the scholars who worked in the science of the principles of jurisprudence were ajams (Persians), as is well known. The same applies to speculative theologians and to most Qur’an commentators. Only the ajams (Persians) engaged in the task of preserving knowledge and writing systematic scholarly works. Thus, the truth of the following statement by the Prophet [in Sahih Muslim] becomes apparent: “If scholarship hung suspended at the highest parts of heaven, the Persians would (reach it and) take it.”"
Javarithms Most Persian speaking scientist as you call them are from post Persian territory. Territorium that used to belong to Persia. In the Arabic world North-African scientist like Ibn Firnas and Ibn Battouta who are from Amazich descent are by them accounted to Arabs.
@@ouailouail4605 You need to work on your reading comprehension. I never said anything, I'm quoting your own Berber historian Ibn Khaldun. And NO he's not referring to north Africans when he says ajams/Persians 🤣🤣🤣 he is very clear he's talking about the Persians in Persia!!! Oh, and your couple of Berber scientists don't compare to the great Persian scientists like al-Khwārizmī, Ibn Sina, al-Razi, Al-Biruni, and the list goes on... it's not a fair comparison bro go read history!!!
Javarithm. Al Chwarizmi and Al Biruni are both from Uzbekistan. Uzbeks don’t account them self’s Persian. Only Iranians do! Because Spain was once part of Rome it doesn’t mean they are Roman. Same for Uzbekistan.
@@ouailouail4605 lol... nice try... I'll paypal you $100 if you can show me a country called Uzbekistan when Khwārizmī was alive. From wiki: "What is now Uzbekistan was in ancient times part of the Iranian-speaking region of Transoxiana and Turan. The first recorded settlers were Eastern Iranian nomads, known as Scythians, who founded kingdoms in Khwarazm (8th-6th centuries BC), Bactria (8th-6th centuries BCE), Sogdia (8th-6th centuries BCE), Fergana (3rd century BCE - 6th century CE), and Margiana (3rd century BCE - 6th century CE). The area was incorporated into the Iranian Achaemenid Empire and, after a period of Macedonian Greek rule, was ruled by the Iranian Parthian Empire and later by the Sasanian Empire, until the Muslim conquest of Persia in the seventh century." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbekistan
avarithm, You are Iranian and a Persian Centrist. You are not different from the Arab centrists who call Non-Arab scientists Arabs just because theïr territory WHAS ONCE part of theïr Empire. That is my actual message!!!
His last name is Al-Hadrami, meaning “of-Hadharamaut”. Hadharamaut is a large region in Yemen. So even if he was born or raised in South Africa he couldn’t possibly be a Berber, he’s definitely an Arab.
In times where islam and sceince are considered as comoletely opposite poles ,. we find evidence from the writtings of muslim scholars that how they got guidance for different subjects directly from quran and hadees .Islam lead the people of areas where knowledge was not so common ,to the times when knowledge became the commonest thing for those people. After reading alot of western literature and philosophy to which I never felt connected , I came across the books of some muslim scholars to which I feel more connected, Islamic philosophy , literature and social sceinces seems more logical . I dont care about the quantity of work muslim scholars have done in different feilds but I am a huge fan of the quality of their work which is in all ways very impressive.
My friend, how do you want Muslim scholars to fail when they have the most powerful book in human history, the Qur'an? The Qur'an is more powerful than any book throughout history. It corrects all religions and is not compared to any book that a person can write.
I have it 2nd on my list, The Princeton Classic Edition, as I am reading Orientalism by Edward W. Said. I must say, I am so excited as to what could be one of the greatest books that could add to my knowledge of understanding human behavior. Do you recommend this edition? Or should I read it in Arabic, as I speak Arabic as a first language.
why the two dislikes? probably some tunisians who Claim him for theirselves. contemporary whies europeans should read this genious godather of scientific history and sociologie. when he finished his ukkadima, book of world history, there was no Germany, yet.germans should be slapped with this book. nowadays they want hitler to resurrect...
The Natural order you have elucidated too, stems from the Divine Order. There can be no Nature without the Divine. Moreover I would go so far as to say that Nature itself is Muslim. By this I mean that the definition of a Muslim is he/she who submits their Will to their Creator. Nature and the Laws governing Nature are thus Muslim, in that they in fact follow the Will of God, without Question. The Laws are fixed and immutable. The Quran tells us: " No change will you find in the Laws of God." In other words, once a Law comes into existence, none can change it.
He is Tunisian, he's one of many geniuses this land has given birth to, this is his house in Tunis still standing, i always go there looking for him, can't find him though... upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Dar_Ibn_Khaldoun.jpg/1024px-Dar_Ibn_Khaldoun.jpg
+K.Z Prod Bro, your history is a sad one. First the Roman's destroy old Carthage which was the civilisation who founded alphabet and share it all over the mediterrian, and also destroy full of knowledge about mass production which could not be recreated till american civil war. Their destruction was total annihilation and assimilation that even Hitler's attemp to genocide Jews can't be equivelant to it. Then Arabs overrun the place, unknowingly break courge of people to rubild again, then the French who really consumed the place to its roots. I hope you got your changes in the near future to get your real place in the world, with help of Allah (C.C.) but you really need to overcoe that French sempaty first. Man what they did was evil not as bad as the Romans but can be equivelant with Hitler's actions.
wrong ibn khaldoun born north Africa tunisia 🇹🇳 modern day and he live in Algeria Morocco and he end up teaching in Cairo Egypt and that's where he died . you're wlcm
Ibn Khaldon is Yemeni & his ancestors moved to Spain then spread in North Africa. There’s a minor chance that he was Berber that claimed to be Arab to gain social attention (at his time) but I think it’s a weak claim with no evidence.
@@javidkagzi he was born in North African ( Tunisia ) and acquired his early knowledge from there :) race doesn't matter , what matters where did he get knowledge from
