Schumacher vs Schumacher | Can Mick beat Michael's lap time? 

Defiantly this schumi saga continues to break my heart

@@PACETVPMG Why are you defiant about it?

A lap of the hospital in his wheelchair perhaps

if he hadnt gone on that skiing trop

@@rogue9543 not even that

The ERS is too much, the weight would increase considering everything you need to make it function properly.

How about if the 2022 car was 250 ish kilos lighter, had traction control and engines that aren’t rev limited, forced onto one engine setting and were built to last one race instead of multiple.

Nah I would like to see F2004 or other 2004 F1 cars on slicks especially that Williams FW26 F1 car

Imagine if the 2004 cars weren't allowed to refuel and somehow needed to find a way of carrying 200kg/300L of fuel that it needed to finish a race. Imagine if the 2022 car were allowed to use as much fuel as the V10's. it would develop 1600hp with ease.

@@Anon24052 2022 cars are heavier because they are using batteries and are just bigger which also have more downforce with bigger wings and floors. Strip those away and it wont be faster than an f2

Y a Barriquello dejándolo pasar, o a la FIA multando a todos cuando acariciaran a Schumi!😂😂😂

​​@@nostalfanyou confuesed barrichello with bottas and michael with lewis

The German and Italian national anthems are forever ingrained in my mind because of Michael, Ferrari, and Valentino Rossi, even though I'm not from these countries.

​@joro7304 same for me, that is so strange as I am Russian but all my childhood I was living from weekend to weekend just to watch racing. Shumi was a mythical hero walking among us for me that day

​@@sergeykorostelev7510me also, we were so lucky to have been there experience it every Sunday. Great times

That's it. Equal cars I doubt Mick would not have a chance.

i thought it was banned in the early 90’s? i’m just wondering what really happened

​@@drevinashcraft2485, it was banned from 1994 but they brought it back in the beginning of 2001. It was necessary to bring it back because TC was easy to hide in a software. I guess it was reasonable to avoid conspiracy theories and accusations.

Yet now they have slicks

Glad you like them! We'll keep on improving

@@formulaaddict who works on your videos? I am curious about position on your team.

I'd love to see the 2022 car use twice as much fuel as it's allowed to use. I'd love to see how much slower the 2004 car is if it had to carry nearly 200kg of the fuel needed to finish a race

@@DonLee1980 These are qualifying laps. The fuel loads should be similar.

@@nicholastotoro7721 2004 was race fuel qualifying, so no.

@@Sp4mMe That would make the difference even less so, then, since the 2022 cars qualify with less fuel.

​@@DonLee1980The extra 100kg would not be worth the power advantage at least on this track

It was only a fully-matured elephant's pen!s-length ahead of one of the slowest cars of the current grid.. Pretty crazy. Yes, I know 2004 cars had grooved tires but it also had over 400lbs. less weight, much less drag, far greater visibility and much easier/forgiving to drive.

@@ballaking10002004 cars were not easier to drive, and the only reason it was that close is literally because of the tire technology gap in modern vs old

The Mick quali time is also not great it most be said. Fastest time on the track in 2022 was almost 2 seconds faster.

@@oblied 2004 cars were most certainly easier to drive. Sure, they bounced around slightly more around the same corners with less downforce/weight but it's those same attributes that make the car easier to save when the car disagree's with the load being placed on it. Also, what makes your argument completely moot is the fact that the 2004 cars had driver aids; traction control being one of them. To be fair, traction control does increase lap time, but since we're talking about the level of difficulty driving here, I mean.. Come on.. Then again, in your mind, the ONLY thing that LITERALLY matters is the tires.. Tires are extremely important and is what the whole car operates from is those small contact patches with the road, I know. But it's so far from true to think it's all that matters and I think you know this, you can't be that dumb. You were just trying to be more dramatic in place of anything with substance as a way to put weight in your comment..

@@ballaking1000 F2004 had more power was lighter and had a much more unhappy rev range, the car was also smaller making it more uncontrollable. thats why onboards of older cars are always more action packed because theres more required to control.

For a lap ? It would be great yeah, but for a race ? It would get lapped by modern cars simply because it needs refuelling.

What's there to test? Grooved tyres were literally introduced to slow down cars. Of course they'll, uh, slow them down seeing as that's what they were there for.

NO SHIT. That was the point of the grooved tyres. If you took the grooves out the equivalent tyre width would be half.

Giving it slicks will at most be as fast as with their groove tires. The suspension is not meant to handle the Pirelli slicks of today, because Bridgestone specifically built those grooved tires to suit the F2004's chassis. While Pirelli specifically built theirs to suit the heavy & stressing, but fast HAAS. It really can't be a comparison.

You can literally see it in this video where Michael's car is lacking the mechanical grip in lower speed corners and accelerates later than the modern cars because of the lack of grip.

Michael’s fastest lap in 2004 Hungary was 1.5 seconds faster than max this year. The qual laps in 2004 were done on race fuel and set up so not comparable to now. Also grooved Tyres too. That 2004 was lighting.

Its not the engine as the v10s were about 200 HP weaker than todays engines its the increased weight and aero which bogs the modern cars in straight lines, they can carry more speed in the corners but the old cars destroy them on the straights

​@@burgir9985child V10s had 950+ HP all the time while trash V6 Hybrids only have same HP on max boost V10s beat V6 anyday

@@Smzxe the official figures are 825hp and 865hp in qualy mode, now sure some manufacturers got their engines to upwards of 900hp, that is not the official regulation. Meanwhile other v10s only produced about 700 ish horse. The v6s with their hybrid system produce 1000hp. Im not defending the v6s and I do miss the v10s but the v6s perform better. Like i mentioned before, the cars back then were far lighter but had less grip

@@burgir9985 cry hard because V10s were much much faster on straights 370 km/h on Monza and 345 km/h on every straight of Monza No V6 Hybrid F1 car can keep up 2004 F1 car was faster than 2019 Ferrari on Monza straight also in acceleration V10 F1 car was much faster than 2019 Ferrari V6 Hybrids cannot even touch 350 km/h without slipstream V10 F1 cars were fastest F1 cars ever existed

🥃 ?

A good way to show, despite a vastly superior car, Mick still isn't even as fast as his dad.

​@@bipolarminddroppingsmaybe Mick in the 2023 Ferrari could close the gap further ?

​@@bipolarminddroppingsmick in possibly the worst car on the grid against one of the best cars on the grid plus racing experience mick only done it for 2 years schumacher was doing it along time before 2004

@@dannyboy507. might aswell call it 1 year considering that the 2021 car was the worst car by like 2 seconds

@@bipolarminddroppingssuperior car?! haas vs one of the best Ferrari F1 cars ever made?😭🤣

So, did he beat his dad's lap time? 🤔

And most importantly: you would end up with a different car.

Or you could just take the W11 and remove the FIA implemented restrictions

less downforce, less traction, too. Grooved tired as well. No 2004 lap should be faster than a 2022 lap.

Its mentioned in the video

Smaller and lighter is why they look so much more agile. There's a good video showing the evolution of F1 cars through the turn 13-14 chicane from 2002 to 2021. As the cars evolved they looked less agile as they slowly grew in size and weight

Its the DRS doing its job

@@Davi-rg7fd I know, but still. Take Monza for example, 2022 cars reached 340 km/h while 2004 did around 370

It also has about 50% more torque and 30% more horsepower, slick tyres, more efficient aero, DRS, etc. etc... It's more impressive that a car from 20 years ago gave it a run for its money. 🤷‍♂️

@@deerlord2363 it doesn’t make more power

@@oblied Yes it does. Current hybrid units are a lot more powerful than the atmospheric V10 engines.

@@deerlord2363 but the power to weight ratio of the car really makes those power difference huge, in a negative way for the current car. Which makes the current car pretty impressive. You gotta remember that those old grooved tyre has very different chemical to nowadays slicks. They are probably more sticky than nowadays slick.

Jos was a complete bum

No. Larger engines, larger chassis, more components in the car, lots of parts in the car for driver safety.

@@kkasfa1596 That's one way of saying the cars aren't as fast as they could be too

That's what being the GOAT means, you do everything better

Cars were very different back then too. If you were to drive modern F1 cars like that you wouldn't be very fast.

@@iliketoast-q9b Max drives very similar to Schumacher so you can drive like this still.

​@@mohammedaneeskhan790 Similar in that Max likes a pointy car like Michael. With modern cars your steering input has to be smoother and the fastest line often approaches the geometric line. In contrast with older F1-cars you had to drive to the limit and correct your steering angle mid-corner with lots of fast movements. If you were to drive a modern F1 car like this you'd go off. Driver61 has a great video on the topic.

@iSkyline1 Drivers have to adapt to the cars. However, the basic style of Max is similar to Schumacher, he drives a shallow line, greater mid corner adjustment, and on the power earlier. Schumacher was more extreme in his style, similar to Jim Clark.

It's down by ~50% torque and ~30% hp, among all the other things that it's lacking in comparison to the current specs. Of course it's going to be slower...

@@deerlord2363 Но самые главные различия в аэродинамике.

The track is Hungaroring. Lewis Hamilton has the world record lap in his W11, which is a lot faster than the F2004