Science Faith and Religion 

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What was great about this conversation is that it was a conversation, and not a debate.

A Dawkins nightmare. This is exactly why Richard Dawkins does not like moderators. This was a potentially good conversation, but ruined by a moderator who adores the sound of his own voice. Always 20 minutes introduction and constant unwelcome interruptions. Whoever appointed Blakemore to moderate this, made the VERY WRONG decision. And I can see I'm not alone by the comments below.

There is a clear and obvious reason we keep instinctively pondering the science and religion debate. We all know deep down we are all connected; on every level and to everything and at every point in time. That truth is all you need to settle the debate. Science and religion agree. Debate over.

...Starts eventually at around 17:48

Mr. Blakemore loves the sound of his voice.

As an agnostic neuroscientist I just absolutely can not believe how horribly this was conducted. The moderator was unbearable and just generally ridiculous, interjecting with absurd remarks constantly. And I came hoping to find inspiration in religion and faith and dear God I hope this panel ran out of funding after getting the atheists, because holy shit the lack of actual logical reasoning on the side of the theists was so infuriating. How difficult is it for theists to realize that scientists don't actually fully believe in their theories? Do you think anybody would lead a crusade and kill people in the name of String Theory? We all know our models are wrong, but they're just right enough to be useful - that's what we care about. We aren't looking for some divine truth, because there is not a falsifiable hypothesis that could be really be tested to answer that question. We're trying to explain the world to the best of our abilities, not to pray to the almighty general theory of relativity. And do you really think internal experiences are proof of God? Ever heard of the placebo? The brain is a lot more complex than you can understand. If you think experiencing pleasure or other "unexplainable" sensations are somehow disconnected from willfully committing the ignorance of divine subscription to one faith, and the subsequent willfully ignorant comfort of KNOWING that your God is on your side, KNOWING that everything will be okay, and KNOWING that you will live forever, then you're very, very wrong, coming from a researcher in neuroscience. The ONLY logical point made by the theists was that it is irrational to be atheist because then you have to deny all Gods, including ones you do not know about or understand. Other than that and the great arguments and thoughtfulness from the atheists, I was very disappointed with nearly every aspect of this conversation, and it really saddens me that this was the really best the World Science Fair could manage.

The participants in this discussion seem to have a good sense of humor. It's good that everything went smoothly and didn't turn ugly.🤓👀😅✔️🆗

“without going into depth” *continues to go into depth*

that laugh at 30:13 creeped me out

When I was 4 I asked deep questions. Kids can cope. And learn.

Leap of faith just came to mind,inspirational…

Knowledge either changes and/or eventually passes away, but there is an experience that is beyond the ability to express IT with words. We think we know because of the words we choose, even in poetry. Now, in true experience, Vertical Awareness in Conscieness is The Way Ineffible.

A pleasure to listen to Lawrence Krauss being the voice of reason and killing it yet again.

Regardless of subject, my childhood teachers were mediocre. We have to grow out of the circumstances of our birth.

Bill Blakemore was one of my teachers at a boarding school in Lebanon in the 60s. Enjoyable fellow.

I love it! thanks to you all for sharing!

This looks interesting too, I want to watch it when I'm allowed.

Ken Miller asked the question, why religious thinking and scientific thinking unable to go paralell to one another in the same direction? Simple: when religious people admit, that religion is just a hypothesis like any scientific theory, we are golden.

It's all in the mind and because these things perturb you you speak about them and whatever we speak about is brought into existence. As It is, you can't deny the existence of that which does not exist. Live Now!

Surely, we must appreciate the globalism that gives us the diversity of and religions and sciences ,and the intellectual particularism that distinguishes them!

I have no problems with the Gods of man, it's their fan clubs that piss me off.

Very good and interesting debate. Moderator got on my nerves just a little bit though. Also, I felt like everyone besides the reasonable atheist kept trying to be "funny", which was fine at first, but it ended up becoming distracting. Overall, good video.

Good discussion...I wish more people would show interest in these type of debates...I love both science and 'spirituality', other than psychology I don't know of more important issues.

[Three things that you have to understand to be free from the endless doubts] 1) the physical world that we feel as the five senses is finite, incomplete, always changing, temporarily existing, very passive and relative. 2) There certainly is a world of intangible reasons (eg. mathematics world) that transcends these temporary physical worlds, whose properties are diametrically opposed to them and are always right. 3) Life is an intermediate being between these two worlds, whose body interacts with the physical world and spirit interacts with the reason world, while the spirit leads the body, and thus the greater the spirit, the more active and the larger (more spacious and longer) lived. So you need to fully understand the worlds of material, life and reason/truth. not comprehending the following things: what are the properties of material or matter? How are the laws of physics and universal constants determined, and what are the difference from the truth? Why do the changing laws of physics contain unchanging reasons? How is different between fact, realization and reason/truth? What is life different from substance? In detail, how is thought possible in life? what is consciousness and intelligence? what is spirit, soul and mind, and how are they different? what are desire, will and activeness, how do they occur, and how do they work? what is virtue/goodness, beauty and truth, and what is their relationship to each other? why does truth never change, and why does it appear anywhere anytime in the physical world? why do people say that the world of truth is the world of God, that God appears everywhere alive without death, and that life is large and widely alive if it knows a lot of truth? what are the basic attributes and the ultimate state of ethics and morality, and why the life need them? and what are sin and responsibility in willing life? I realized all of them as a whole without any gaps and contradiction, and I live now only freely and peacefully without any desire, fear, worry, doubt or pride. OnCharm Lee (Author of the book “Humans & Truth - human life is the awakening process”)

I am learning Philosophy, I am also a 17-year-old Catholic girl who loves her theology class. I find this very incredible and eye-opening, and I relate with Ken so much, if it wasn't for the fact that Jesus was a historical figure and existed and the Bible lasted for this long in so many periods, I do not believe I will have this faith. But I can't see myself saved or fulfill with human-made science and something not above and so greatly impacted on morals and goodness. I'm so glad my professor showed us this and it actually made me feel more faithful and grateful.

love watching the micro expressions on the panel in reaction to others comments

Thoughtful discussion..... Thanks from Bangladesh

The foundation of good is the truth. The foundation of evil is the lie.

I have learned in my life that: I should not argue with the fools. Let them live happily within their frivolous world. and not have discussion with crude, they have nothing to loose but can spoil my soul. I better keep distance from jealous folk, they would keep hating me even if I could give them the whole world. I have learned to prefer being alone rather than sharing time with those I do not belong to And I always keep in mind three facts: 1-I cannot help everybody. 2-I cannot change every things. 3-I cannot be loved by all. And If you choose to judge me and judge my life First wear my shoes and pass the roads that I have gone through. Weep same as I have wept. Go through the roads that I have traversed. Live in those years same as I did Fall again and again on the rocks that I fell Then stand up and keep walking through all those hard years again. If you do so then you may deserve to judge about me and my life and not be silly. در زندگی یاد گرفتم:

Art requires the element of creativity and inspiration ☺️ so does science 😜

Beautiful.

I am not religious and I am glad. I was raised Catholic and the only thing I learned was to pray. That is the reason why I came to the Unites States .

"Put all your beliefs into harmony with science; there can be no opposition, for truth is one." ~ Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i Faith

Guy: "The benefit of the 20th century Physics has been...to remove some of the arrogance from the 19th century physicists"

[What you need to complete your truth] You need to know exactly the followings: 1) the physical world that we feel as the five senses is finite, incomplete, always changing, temporarily existing, very passive and relative. 2) There certainly is a world of intangible reasons (eg. mathematical and philosophical logics) that transcends these temporary physical worlds, whose properties are diametrically opposed to them and are always right. 3) Life is an intermediate being between these two worlds, whose body interacts with the physical world and spirit interacts with the reason world, while the spirit leads the body, and thus the greater the spirit, the more active and the larger (more spacious and longer) lived. So you need to fully understand the worlds of material, life and reason/truth. not comprehending the following things: what are the properties of material or matter? How are the laws of physics and universal constants determined, and what are the difference from the truth? Why do the changing laws of physics contain unchanging reasons? How is different between fact, realization and reason/truth? What is life different from substance? In detail, how is thought possible in life? what is consciousness and intelligence? what is spirit, soul and mind, and how are they different? what are desire, will and activeness, how do they occur, and how do they work? what is virtue/goodness, beauty and truth, and what is their relationship to each other? why does truth never change, and why does it appear anywhere anytime in the physical world? why do people say that the world of truth is the world of God, that God appears everywhere alive without death, and that life is large and widely alive if it knows a lot of truth? what are the basic attributes and the ultimate state of ethics and morality, and why the life need them? and what are sin and responsibility in willing life? I realized all of them as a whole without any gap and contradiction, and I live now only freely and peacefully without any desire, fear, worry, doubt or pride. OnCharm Lee (Author of the book “Humans & Truth - human life is the awakening process”)

The problem is boundaries. If you can separate two sides with a line, geographic, race, national, ideology, etc.. there will be pressure to move the line. Nature's solution is osmosis.

Ken Miller is very cool. "Both science and religion bow to humble and humility."

The theist argument (or attempt at coming up with one) that atheist have a 'belief' - just like them - is logically and fundamentally wrong... and in my opinion seems likely motivated by a desire to feel better or even less 'guilty' about ones own belief? :P Believing something in spite of better of 'evidence' or lacking any... and sticking to that belief - no matter what!... Is fundamentally different from adjusting your beliefs (called 'hypothesis' in the science tongue) as you go along... as you discover new things. There is no arguing this.

Very interesting

Everyone is gonna be ok ... "and Every little thing gonna be alright..." Focus on the positive and the desired ...

Looks like Ken Miller is my man tonight... He said the laws of physics can't stand on their own. Where they came from? Something must be behind them. Then he says it must be god. But why he stops there? If the laws of physics can't exist on their own right, why can god? That's double measure.

I've come to see a great % of Atheists that are members of an Atheist Group that meets and discusses their perspectives, and their rights, and often are very emotional on their being an Atheist, and so on... My point is, these folks have basically done a bit of making a Religion out of being Atheist. A subject that would be good for a Sociologist to study and clarify. Religion being a Social Practice, Spiritual being the more individual's practice. Not judging, just noting.

[What you need to understand for your ultimate truth] You nee to know exactly the followings: 1) the physical world that we feel as the five senses is finite, incomplete, always changing, temporarily existing, very passive and relative, and so secondary or posterior. 2) There certainly is a prior world of intangible reasons (eg. mathematical and philosophical logics) that transcends these temporary physical worlds, whose properties are diametrically opposed to them and are always right to the secondary beings. 3) Life is an intermediate being between these two worlds, whose body interacts with the physical world and spirit interacts with the reason world, while the spirit leads the body, and thus the greater the spirit, the more active and the larger (more spacious and longer) lived. So you have to fully understand the worlds of material, life and reason/truth. not comprehending the following things: what are the properties of material or matter? How are the laws of physics and universal constants determined, and what are the difference from the truth? Why do the changing laws of physics contain unchanging reasons? How is different between fact, realization and reason/truth? What is life different from substance? In detail, how is thought possible in life? what is consciousness and intelligence? what is spirit, soul and mind, and how are they different? what are desire, will and activeness, how do they occur, and how do they work? what is virtue/goodness, beauty and truth, and what is their relationship to each other? why does truth never change, and why does it appear anywhere anytime in the physical world? why do people say that the world of truth is the world of God, that God appears everywhere alive without death, and that life is large and widely alive if it knows a lot of truth? what are the basic attributes and the ultimate state of ethics and morality, and why the life need them? and what are sin and responsibility in willing life? I realized all of them as a whole without any gap and contradiction, and I live now only freely and peacefully without any desire, fear, worry, doubt or pride. OnCharm Lee (Author of the book “Humans & Truth - human life is the awakening process”)

If 'ANY' theists had anything demonstrable to show, this would never be a conversation. But when you don't have faith in your faith, you have to fight what is real to feel good about yourself.

Religion and Science don't have to battle with each other. If you're having trouble, I might suggest reading Dan Brown's book series. Phenomenal author. As a Catholic, I will say this: Both religion and science have been very important to me. Science has ended plagues, saved lives, and it has made our lives all the better. It has explained to us why and how things happen in our surroundings. Yet, humans cannot live fulfilled lives by science alone. Religion is there to remind you of your morals. Religion tells you that things like murder, rape, violence, theft, etc. are wrong. When there is religion alone in the world, we will all die due to lack of knowledge and education. Science alone and we will all die due to lack of morality. Mind you, Atheists are fine to me. You don't necessarily have to worship some God to know that you shall not kill, you shall not steal, you shall not commit adultery, and so on. We shall respect each others' beliefs and be civil. Just because you're a believer doesn't mean you have to disregard scientific facts and critical thinking.

Being able to tell poetry from prose is the essential skill needed to compare religion and science. Religion and science operate on entirely different planes, the spiritual and the mundane, respectively. There is, therefore, no way the two can possibly conflict except through a misunderstanding of their roles. It is a monumental tragedy for religion, and the very religious impulse itself, that religious "mythology" ("truths", stories, legends) which clearly resonate with deep processes in the human mind (brain), and are fundamentally poetic in nature, should be misconstrued as operating on the same mundane prose plane as science. Religion is robbed of its mystery, magic, and power - of its very intended function (transcendence) - in this way.

2 Atheists knocked on my door. They didn't want anything.

to sandwich Faith in-between Science and Religion is quite telling

As (almost) everyone knows, religion, especially organized religion, does not equate to spirituality, and vice versa. It’s not always clear which of the two is being discussed here, with the risk of creating confusion in some minds. Also, before we even have a theory of quantum gravity or some equivalent of it, current “quantum cosmology” is suggesting that the very terms, the very concepts in which we are asking our questions and thinking of them might be far too simplistic. Reality, which Einstein once referred to as an onion with an infinite number of layers towards an infinitely deep core, seems to cut through all our concepts. An example is wave vs. particle (it’s both at the same time), where each and every electron e.g. can correctly be understood as being spread out across the whole Universe - some have even worded this as the single electron Universe. Quantum entanglement hs cut through the here vs. there assumption, showing that “locality” (here vs. there) is in fact just an illusion. Just as the idea of “now” is an illusion, except for what happens in our mind - and even that, neuroscientists have now realized is wrong, as we become conscious of our own decisions ‘some time after’ our brain has already made them without us being aware of it. Just like ever seeing the sun only as it was 8 minutes ago or that old friend of yours across the street as he or she was a fraction of a second ago, but never exactly “now”. It seems that all our concepts, the mental tools with which we think and reason about the world, are gross simplifications that help us survive in our biological surroundings but were not evolved to help us “see” reality, whatever it is. That’s why we need sophisticated instruments and mathematics to help us peer deeper into things than either our senses or our biological brain can ever manage. But then, how come we feel that urge to go beyond what helps us thrive and survive in our wild jungle of an earth (because of humans…)

1:08:42 - 55 to all the religious ppl listen carefully.

Let us have Sam Harris , Deepak Chopra and Rajiv Malhotra. That would be great.

The connection to Be made is with science & music! Soon populations Grooving as One will show scientific/cultural results!

49:40 Great comment and unfortunately true. Naive idealism.

The Jesuit guy's cool

thats funny how the second panelist said that after he stopped believing in god he got over a fear of being watching. i get that feeling totally. like when my boss is always looking over my shoulder. now imagine how you'd feel if god actually came down and threw down swift justice on us all all the time. imagine how crippled in fear you would be then...even if you are innocent! seems like god not showing himself in our lives is a blessing

Nice study

saying 'supernatural' is like saying "dark matter" we dont know, its just a name to describe something. reading too hard into it, being too literal.

Being Supernatural ✨ is living &🧘perceiving above the observable 🌎world. It's really experiencing the 👁️Inner World & thus knowing the Self

without DEFINITIONS and or specific examples there is a great deal of room for misunderstanding between arguments.

This was very interesting; I thank all the panelists and our moderator as well. Many valuable points were brought out. It was much better than the other world science program on science and religion, staffed totally by atheists who had no constructive information or understanding of religion!

We lifes are not predestined by "big bang". We lifes are agents that determine the undetermined sequentially.

Wow to the moderator, shame to the science festival. Amazed I am.

I believe in freedom of religion. This means it doesn't matter if or what belief one has. What matters is what you do.

Also - the guy on the our left reminds me of me - just before I became an agnostic (and later an atheist). Interprets the Bible as a series of metaphors and clings to his belief only due to the historicity of a character named Jesus. He simultaneously recognizes the lack of evidence yet holds a fallacious standard as his reason to continue believing. It's extremely likely that a person named Jesus existed - but that's not a reason to believe that he was the son of God.

"i dont care to diss religion" **disses religion**

Faith is the opposite of evidence, is the license religious people give themselves to keep believing when reasons fail, it is making a virtue out of not thinking. The entire point of faith, is that it does not depend on rational justification, while the rest of us are expected to defend our prejudices. It is an attitude or feeling whereby someone attributes a higher degree of probability to the evidence than what the evidence calls for. It is possible to have a spiritual connection to the universe without any of the many, many gods. I apologise if any of this comes across as harsh or disrespectful, it is absolutely not my intention to upset anybody. Sending peace and love, regardless of anybody's religion or beliefs.

Learn from yesterday, and heal from bitterness and tramas

Nothing is dangerous except the misuse and abuse of practice.

TIME is the undeniable decision maker. With time, Science will always continue to further our understanding and ability to interact with this life as more facts are proven irrefutable repeatable airtight truths. Religion is frozen and can only be reinterpreted and eventually wholly lost in translation with time.

In order to stimulate people and sell books a lot, the author sometimes gives a very exaggerated title of the book, but the publisher further encourages it. The titles of many bestsellers have been very exaggerated.

2:01-2:10 best statement ever

Quantum physics is coherent entanglement until measurement decohere.

stopped watching due to the moderator. I can't take it any more!

I think religion is all human creation. As Descartes stated, “I think, therefor I am.” We, human beings, are capable of two kinds of reasonings: Deductive and inductive. Science is all about deductive reasoning. Over centuries, we have accumulated huge amounts of knowledge, but the more we know, the more we need to know. Then inductive reasoning comes into play - people start to have imaginations about the things we are unable to explain. This is how religion is created. As we are free beings, different groups tend to have different religions. But all religions serve the same fundamental human need - the desire to understand, along with the ideas of good, virtue, meaning of life, etc. compared to bad, evil, sins, etc. Human beings, through biological evolution over millions of years, are able to have these two distinctive ways of reasoning, this is how we define who we are. Put this in the cosmic context, human beings are creation of the Earth, most likely by chance, just like a small particle jumping around in a quantum universe or multiverse, with different dimensions.

IF WE UNDERSTAND OURSELVES AND OUR FAMILY THEN WE WILL UNDERSTAND OTHERS , NATURE & OUR UNIVERSE...THROUGH SCIENTIFIC SPIRITUAL INTUITION...!!!

This moderator is an OAF. Why is he arguing with the guests?!!? Totally agree that religion / god is dangerous. It's been proved over and over and over and over! EDIT: To say, I didn't expect to appreciate the priests rebuttal so much, but I have to say it was a very measured and thoughtful response. Oh man, careful Lawerence, yr about to get punched. lolol 1:09:00 Ah... and now I see that the moderator has a religious bias, which is explains why he has been so combative.

1:03:10 As some who believes in an infinite amount of realities, this guy's monologue resonates with me completely. I believe in science, 100%, but there are things that human scientists will never be able to explain but that doesn't make those things not real, whatever the physists want you to believe.

Enlightening & interesting. Namaste 🙏

As independent observers, not part of any cause or effect, we need a designer's 'program',like 'genome', to understand evolution. A program that is universal, like Hegel's dialectics -!

Easily one of the worst moderators for anything that I have ever seen. I guess it's difficult to serious, intelligent people to take part in a panel on religion during a science festival. I am surprised Lawrence showed up, though he made it pretty clear that he showed up out of spite.

That moderator is irritating!

In the history, there have been a lot of proclaimed believer philosophers, artists and scientists to cite some : Rene Descartes, Isaac Newton, Emmanuel Kant, Albert Einstein and even Charles Darwin... An important remark on evolution : Chromosomes do not evolve but the associated genes do...

Great discussion! I have almost cried. Brilliant speakers! I am still looking for the answer! 10/10. I just have subsribed.

I gave up on this debate at around the hour mark, I just can't get my head around religious apologists.

we are gods to our self...and no one above

As a cosmologists asking about consciousness, I like professor Lawrence Krauss, but I was astonished in an another You Tube video where he denied significance of living beings. How do you mean there is no significance among humans professor Lawrence Krauss?

Science, faith and religion all are evolving. Evolution / change is the only constant thing to happen.

Thank you, moderator. Overwhelming arguments came from the atheists

And who is this God person anyway :-D HGTTG

Instead of arguing if one is an atheist or not, I am surprised why these wise men doesn't look at facts. How many times did you win 5 lotteries in a row. Not once. Yet life required to win millions of lotteries over billions of years, in a row. You wouldn't need science or religion to decide for you.

What!!! There's no Santa Claus??? 🐏🎅🎄

Miracles happen every day, God's alive and well.

John: There is no God. Me: So you are the all-knowing Master of the Universe. You see, there is a God.

As a cultural person i hate the fact our parents force us to church as children soon as we turn 18 we rebel, most cultural people I know went through this as a kid are hardened criminals now, TO ALL PARENTS STOP FORCE FEEDING YOUR CHILDREN SOMETHING THAT IS FALSE AND BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY LIKE TO DO

It bothers me no end that there is no comma between the word “science “ and “faith” in the title. 🥺

next time, invite a mystic for such subject

i was questioning existence god and death from the age of four, wish my parents had been more like the Jesuit and less like Kraus

No ghost's would mean no holy ghost.... Intriguing

x^x -> 1 as x -> 0 can be proved mathematically, which could be interpreted as it insists that something comes out of nothing by exponantiating nothing with itself.