More I watch it - and I watch it 4-5 times a week. I'm never ceased to be amazed. It's Moe's foot action that gets me. His left foot stays flat to the ground. Amazing vid and one you never tire of watching and gleaning!
I can't believe this guy. Massive wide stance and he hits a four iron like most players do a wedge. But the distance and the ferocious sound the club makes at contact. God bless you Mo you are a revelation for any aspiring handicapper who struggles to break ninety.
Every tour player who ever watched him hit balls confirmed this ball striking ability and compactness of his mechanics. NONE OF THEM HAD THE INTELLENGENCE TO MAKE THE CHANGE!
Great video Sir for your foresight to make these recordings, you are a true Moe Norman witness, many of the Top Tour Players on the PGA also went to witness the Phenomenal Moe Norman for themselves to witness strike pure shot after pure shot, silly question Jack, but did Moe ever tell you where it was and when was the only time that he ever he did not hit the sweet spot on his Putter ? I also do not think that the Hollywood Sound Effects Department could recreate that sound of his ball stricking at impact for any future Movie of Moe. Many Thanks for sharing Jack.
i remember a feature in one of the golf magazines back in the early 90's and some of the big guys on tour of the day like nick price, fred couples and others were watching moe hit balls.
So unfortunate it’s their loss not being able to witness absolute simplicity in the greatness of his swing consistency? Love his own idiosyncratic explanations of FOG truly his unique Feeling of Greatness
@@scienceofgolf I thought he only played the Masters once ( and pulled out) but I saw he played it twice, did he miss the cut or quit again? anyone have a pic or record of his rounds?
Too bad Moe didn't tell Sam Snead to go to hell that year at the Masters. Instead Moe took Sam's critique to heart and screwed his swing up on the eve of the tournament. Just evil on Snead's part; if anyone knew you don't change your swing last minute it would have been the Slammer but take advantage of Moe's admiration and throw off Moe's swing is just what Snead did. Look at things from the Tour's point of view and Sam Snead did what needed doing; there's no way Moe Norman and his different-ness could be allowed to become the face of the PGA Tour by winning the Masters regardless of the level of Moe's game. smh
Moe was a gentle and loving person. His personality would never have let him believe that a great player like Sam Snead would ever want to harm him. Moe overcame more adversities than anyone I know in golf to be considered “one-of-the-best” “if-not-the-best” ball striker to ever play the game.
I promised Moe that I would never let his mechanics die. This is the only scientific analysis available. Unfortunately, every body who ever saw Moe hit a golf ball is not an published expert on the internet on his swing; massive false information. None of them have a clue!!
@@scienceofgolf Thanks again! Unfortunately, many never really understood Moe and his skill. He was never taken seriously on the PGA tour. Oh what could’ve been. He didn’t fit in to their image. Their loss. I’ve been using his single plane system for little over 2 years now, my golf game has greatly improved. I’m a firm believer in his methods.
Watching Moe amazing single plane swing and stoping the video to see the original picture of his swing along with your fabulous analysis of his swing, I see he had to swing OTT of his right shoulder very briefly just to immediately get back to his single plane swing. Amazing! 😃⛳️👍🥂
Love him dearly and it's a shame that the clod hoppers of the early US PGA tour officialdom could not appreciate his genius. Epic video thanks for posting.
Thank you for keeping your promise. I’m really trying to shallow out my swing, and get that club head behind me on the way down. When I get it right and pound one dead straight I’m absolutely thinking of and thanking Moe❤
Moe was 100% self taught. His great discovery was the lifeline palm grip of the right hand. He eliminated two planes of rotation. Tour player have six planes of rotation. Moe reduced it to four. The lifeline right palm grip allowed for him to remove two planes of rotation from waist high in the downstroke to ball impact.
@@scienceofgolf i had never heard there are so many planes in the golf stroke, no wonder golf is so hard. are there any videos with that info and a discussion?
i wonder how far moe hit his clubs in his prime. it looks like his driver would be about 220/240 yds. i've tried copying his action before and maybe i should again at 72 yrs old, it's ez on the body and on syncing everything up, not so much pivoting and turning.
Unfortunately, I never measured or ask Moe about his lie angles. From the fact that he could take any club and hit it equally well, I think he would have used traditional lies.
His shyness kept him from becoming one of the greatest winners on the PGA tour. Several of the big names corned him at the New Orleans open and read him the riot book for his antics on the course. Moe left and never came back.
As far as I know, NO one has ever given PGA tour players credit for being intellengent. Some are great players. Some are great roll models. Some are exciting to watch hit the ball all over the place and still shoot a respectable round. Most have egos too big to change.
The only reason I can think of is distance. Now many pros not all don't care where the ball goes as long as they get close to the green , in as few strokes as possible.
Great vid. Maybe this will stop certain unethical types and grant you the kudos for preserving Moe's herutage. I bet you have other recordings like this, like the fireside chats, like the spontaneous interviews! We all hope so.
Very well done. Moe's swing is keeping me in the game and I find it much easier on my back. What jumped out to me in the black and white photos from 1964 were not just how far back he got the club in his backswing, but his trail foot was much more rolled inward at impact. It's like the trail foot was on its instep. As opposed to his later years where it was mostly flat. Thank you for the video and keeping Moe's legacy alive.
Over 300,000 golfers have watched this video. Your comments and the comments of others lets me know I kept my promise to Moe! Any golfer duplicating Moe's actual mechanics will be euphoric with the results. Beware of the scam artist out there disgracing Moe's legacy.
Sir J Kuykendall, firstly we loved your video and your explanation about this great swing, I had the feeling of Greatness....but took me almost 2 years. God bless you JK.the Poetry in motion....
My opinion would be just one of numerous tour players and teachers that list Moe as one of the great four: Hogan, Snead, Byron Nelson and Moe. Knudson was an excellent ball striker and player. Each lover of this game has just as much right as the "authority" figures to decide about golfing skills.
His swing looks deceptively simple, very little wasted movement, short compact back swing then straight to the ball.having the club grip up his forearm would be like the club becoming one with his arm giving him more control making contact easier.Very interesting how his arms start and end at impact in the same straight position. Great video! He didn't hit the ball long but perfectly st
Moe had adaquate length because of his backspin rate. The average tour player has around 2400 rpm of backspin. Moe had 1500 rmp of backs spin. When he was 63, his clubhead speed was 102 mph. With his 1500 rpm backspin, he air carried the ball 250 yards.
Please could you confirm how moe started the downswing..it looks like a left knee shift plus a right knee shift and a drop all in one..any drills to get this move perfected
It was a simultaneous move of setting into his knees and moving his hands backward and downward. His left knee moved directly over his left big toe and stayed there until ball impact.
I've been watching the Todd Graves videos and his description and teaching doesn't seem to be what i'm seeing on the video of Moe swinging. Especially post impact. Moe always said he was pulling hard with his left side on the downswing and follow thru. He said that all the time that his right hand was on it for the ride and didn't add anything to the shot. "under and up, under and up" one of Moes quotes of what he feels like on the downswing. Any thoughts? By the way, this video is absolutely incredible Bravo Sir
Todd Graves and everyone else who was Moe’s best friend and was taught all of Moe’s secrets teach a traditional golf swing. None of them have a clue about Moe’s actual mechanics. Moe, also, had his sensation but did not do what he thought he did. If you look at the photos/videos of what Moe thought he did and then look at the photos/videos of what he actually did, you would see that they are vastly different. When I did clinics with Moe, he would tell the participants his sensations and would then explain what he actually did. Moe never had a problem with that because he knew I only had HIS best interest in mind.
Moe was left handed. I heard somewhere that he said the secret was “Pull with the left and hammer with the right.” Meaning his hands. It makes sense that he could hammer as hard as he liked with his right hand as his left side was stronger and dominate.
It would be interesting to know the distances he hit his clubs with that compact swing. I believe I saw a video once where he admitted he was a pretty short hitter relative to the golfers of his day. He was able to hang with him due to his accuracy tho.
At Pine Needles in North Carolina in 1994, Moe air carried a 4 iron 190 yards. At the age of 64, Moe air carried his driver (with 100 mph clubhead speed) 250 yards. His backspin with the driver, (measured by Golf Digest in the DEC 1994 article) was 1500 rpm (roughly 900 rpm below tour players) . The average tour player is around 2400 and the average amateur is around 3000. 20 to 25% of all clubhead speed comes from a right wrist stretch reflex at approximately 0.05 seconds before impact. How big a backstroke is taken has virtually nothing to do with adequate length for tour players (John Rahm). Moe generated the majority of his clubhead speed at the 0.05 seconds before impact with right wrist stretch reflex.
Moe played with oversize grips that he built up from rubber wrappings. He used my oversized grips after we met. You need oversize grip with a lifeline palm grip. Thin grips will just twist in your hands. You don't see skinny baseball bat handles, sinny tennis racket handles or skinny hocker sticks.
thanks for the video Jack, Moe is my favorite golfer, I've learned his technique and every time I go play I always say to myself "look! dead straight every time" "I'm the only one that has the feeling of greatness" haha. Many people are amazed at how good it is and I owe it all to Moe! I know how true all the things he says are, I believe that everyone should copy his priorities!
I went to Florida on a golf trip with the boys in 1988 and somehow we had a connection to play Royal Oaks in Titusville. When we got there Moe was on the putting green and my buddy asked him for his autograph. Moe did not like that, he was pissed off. I asked my buddy who the hell is Moe Norman. Now I love watching his videos.
Moe was so mistreated by virtually everyone in the golf industry that he became very aggravated with almost everyone who was not in his inner circle of friends. If Moe liked you, he was extremely kind and never stopped talking.
@@scienceofgolf His autrograph signed on a Hidden Lakes scorecard for me along with the picture of Crenshaw, Price, Faldo watching him hit balls are prized possessions in my man cave. Thanks for this video, first time I've seen this particular one.
When Moe was developing his unique mechanics, his peers would tell him he could never play tour level golf with mechanics that looked like his. Moe would say, “let me see you hit a ball.” In every case Moe responded with, “No, I hit it better than you do!” Thankfully, Moe never caved to peer pressure.
It’s like Moe tried to strike a ball and get it to go dead straight regardless of distance. As an experiment, Just to see it go dead straight. And realized if he ramps up his club head speed, he’s hitting it just as far as everyone else. Boom the greatest ball striker in history was born. Which is probably why he was laughing at everyone during his demos. Like why don’t these people understand what I’m doing here???
This is an observation I have made a long time ago. All tour player both knew and observed his simple mechanics and legendary accuracy. I don't know of even one who attempted to change.
@@scienceofgolf but that’s not how everyone else does it. Ps As I’m constantly abandoning the single plane swing during each round. 😂 we are simple beings aren’t we?
Moe hated divots and backspin. Moe sweep the ball clean off the ground. Before one of our clinics, Moe played with two mini-tour players who played with massive backspin. The mini-tour players would land the ball behind the hole and spin it back; most of the time, nowhere near the hole. Moe would hit short of the hole and let the ball run to the hole. Moe was ALWAYS closest to the hole.
Thank you. I’m just learning about Moe; I’m only began golf back in May 2022 in my seventies. I notice Moe seems to be reaching out to the ball, or is that an illusion.
I holed out from 162 and 167 on separate par 4 before 17. Then my left ulnar dislocated in a car accident. My pinky, ring and middle fingers became horribly weak. This grip may have kept me on my dream to play SEC golf.
The right-hand life-line palm grip is why Moe was a Great Ball Striker. It provides a major mechanical advantage in squaring the clubface at ball impact
It was my promise to Moe to not let his actual mechanics be lost to history. RU-vid has numerous incorrect videos of Moe's mechanics. Golf Digest posted one of the worse this year.
Could one replicate these mechanics by practicing and watching this video? I've heard in previous videos that Moe's did not recommend anyone to try and copy his swing mechanics.
I do not know the videos you are referring too, but the statement is correct. I performed around 30 clinics with Moe and he would make that statement at every one of them. I let Moe express his perceptions of his mechanics and I would then explain what he was actually doing. Moe never had a problem with that. Moe did not understand his real mechanics. Moe was like all humans; he expressed his perceptions, sensations or feelings; whatever label you like. Anyone can learn Moe’s mechanics if I am the instructor. No one can learn his mechanics from any of the other instructors using Moe reputation to get you to by off on their traditional mechanics teaching. Anyone teaching that Moe swung on a single plane is the worst of them. Your first question was can you learn Moe’s mechanics by watching a video? This answer applies to any mechanical motion. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES CAN ANYONE WATCH A VIDEO AND EXACTLY DUPLICATE THE MOTION ON THE VIDEO. THE BRAIN DOES NOT STORE MECHANICS BY VISION ALONE. If it were possible to watch a video and duplicate the motion, every golfer could look like any golfer that wanted to. No two golfers look alike. You can tell every famous tour player by just watching their swing. I explain all of this neuroscience on my website. kggolf.net Go to the neuroscience section.
On the other hand there was a very old study that showed golfers became more consistent ball strikers just by watching a video of Al Geiberger's swing over and over again. The researchers hypothesized that watching his incredibly smooth tempo helped the players to swing better.
Thank you Jack for this video. I commented months ago but can't remember if I had thanked you. Every chance I get I tell folks about this Canadian golfer named Moe Norman.
@@scienceofgolf I'd be curious to hear why you think that. I've watched some of Todd Graves videos. He seemed...passionate about Moe but I wouldn't know the whole story. I caddied at the Manitoba Open a couple of times a million years ago. Moe was in a group close to us, I just remember him wearing a turtle neck despite the heat and bouncing a golf ball of the face of his driver faster than a humming bird could flap his wigs. Never missed or dropped the ball.
Moe was the greatest ball striker of all time and friend to myself and many of my fellow professionals in Canada. One thing that puzzles. I know of three teachers who teach his methodology but have never seen anyone at a top level swing his way. Maybe DeChambeau was closest on tour. Thoughts? Thank you.
When Moe became recognized as one of the greatest ball strikers in the game; my December 1995 collaboration with Golf Digest, all the “the jump on the band wagon” Moe experts started surfacing. Every one of them teaches a traditional grip and traditional swing. The worst one claims Moe swing on a single plane. You will never see anyone on tour swing like Moe because no one, except for me, teaches or has ever taught Moe's mechanics. Your question about Bryson DeChambeau looking like Moe has to based on Bryson’s claims that he swings on a single plane. DeChambeau is as far from Moe’s mechanics a golfer can get! Here is the URL on my site showing just how far away DeChambeau is. studio.ru-vid.comTPd55xY1Alo/edit The closest on tour would be John Rahm.
I hold ear my copty of the December 1995 issue of Golf Digest featuring Moe. As to why other pros wouldn't gravitate to this motion, there is too much $$$ in prize winnings for those schooled in "traditional" golf to "risk" a change. of course, any mechanically incorrect awing is the real risk for today's pros and their livelihoods. Do you recommend any of the current instructors promoting Moe's swing? And THANKS, Mr.Kuykendall for preserving Moe's story and legacy -
Neuroscience explains the challenges in changing any mechanical motion. It takes up to two years at a minimum of three times a week doing EXACTLY the same motion for the brain to store the pattern in the outer cortex. When the pattern is stored in outer cortex, it become automatic and you are said to be natural athlete. All natural athletes practice for years before they become famous. Numerous golfers have won major tournaments and decided to change their mechanics; all of them changed to different mechanics (not a better mechanics) and never played to their tour winning level again. All of this is explained in detail on my website: kggolf.net Go to the neuroscience section.
