Scientology's Infamous Defector Takes On David Miscavige | Scientologists at War (2013) | Full Film 

It’s absolutely ridiculous how many people think this crap is reality

Same. The stupidity it requires is mindblowing.

in other words you know only the 1% that dont matter.

My sentiments exactly. The man was literally a sci-fi writing machine with a guineas world record for most -bullshit- sci-fi novels published....Of Course its all bs the fact that even one of these naive robots committed to this stupidness blows my mind.

Hi Mormon church and golden plates right??????

The fact that this doesn’t have more attention and the leaders of Scientology have no been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law is one of the biggest cases of corruption in US history.

Have you heard or read about the police report about Shelly? The husband of the leader of Scientology

Have you read harassment law in the state? You have to violate it to be charged.

​@@doomman700 Yeah, If you stalk and it causes substantial emotional distress to that person i can press charges against you.

It's all masonic theatre.

I hope so. I prefer fuckin christians over this cult. And thats saying something seeing as I am homosexual xD

She was so annoying, very immature to be a old broad

Just now your realizing Tom Cruises culpability in all of this? I haven’t watched one of his movies since he stood up on the couch during Oprah or the Matt Laurer interview.

@@daniellewestfall7647look at the stuff they believe in. It’s really not much further from reality than the Abraham bible to be honest.

Best comment 😂

I refuse to watch him in anything anymore. Not getting a dime from me.

BALDERDASH!! overarching generalization fallacy.

I can’t agree with that statement. There’s plenty of good people that don’t turn out to be horrible people

disengaging from a cult is a process

People have a right to their religious and spiritual beliefs. They just don't have the right to break the law or harass others. It is the latter that people find objectionable about the COS. If not for those things, nobody would care what Scientologists believe in.

Unwinding years of brainwashing takes time. There are plenty of great people who've gotten out, but some cult-like behavior has definitely played out as well.

Exactly. Just to think, all of this was dreamed up by a prolific science-fiction writer. L. Ron Hubbard was a mental case. The practice of scientology hating psychiatry was borne from LRH wanting psychiatry to accept the idealogy he came up with as legitimate & effective (it was not). His idealogy was met with suspicion and skepticism by psychiatrists and doctors, as it should have been. After all, LRH made sensationalist claims that his practices could cure just about anything! Just like Tom Cruise credits scientology for 'curing his dyslexia.' There is no CURE for dyslexia! This is why LRH preached about the "evils of psychiatry," because he had a grudge due to their rejection. So...yeah, saying 'I'm an "independent" scientologist' just shows continued gullibility. An e-meter is SUCH BS.

Ty

One of the most common actions of ex-cult members is to look for another, seemingly less abusive cult or create an offshoot of their original cult. This behavior is similar to the behavior of domestic abuse survivors, who seem to always end up in a relationship with another abuser, because that's all they know, that's their familiar territory, where they feel comfortable.

Makes sense. Thanks for the reply!@@ezbody

I think the earth is flat but I'm not a member of The Flat Earth Society - I'm independent.

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The cackling woman was the worst of all of them. I can’t imagine how even the relativity normal people get caught up with Scientology..

lol 😂

​@@jshields648what's really insidious is they bring their kids up in it

​@@jshields648 they recruit unsuspecting people and I'd wager they take it very slow to make sure they don't take a single risk. Not to mention a lot of the people they recruit are in a vulnerable state, or straight up born into it, there's no shortage of stories of kids born to scientlogist parents who defected from the cult and saw the real world only by the time they were adults, it's outright sickening that this is going on and nobody does anything about it

Exactly.

Psychopaths

Nerfeurv.. I got nNo idea what you're talking bout. In instances where the group doesn't follow and harass them, there is no I traction of the former members and the church. When bsquirrel Buster's come, the yeah, they will stand up for themselves against the harassment. What former members often like to do is spread the word of their horrible experience . And that is a major freaking public service. 😊

While I totally support former members that have left the "organization," (I call it an organization because it is by no means neither a church nor a religion...L. Ron Hubbard termed it a "church" because of CONVENIENCE & $$$ reasons only!) & their attempts to fight back from the harassment from the organization, for a former member to still "practice" scientology is just INSANE. Maybe I'm too much of a black & white thinker, but if a former member cannot see through ALL of scientology's BS, then there's still a big problem. I think Marty has continued his "practice" of scientology because he was in there for so long & it's a pretty sure-fire way to produce income for himself & his wife. What else does he know how to do except harassing & steamrolling people's will to conform to what scientology expects or wants of them? After all, that was basically his job in scientology..he was a pit bull of sorts. Sad but true. Doing the e-meter was also what he was good at, thus a great way to earn some money doing something he is very practiced in.

Still you are also indoctrinated into Heliocentric Pseudoscientism Cult, like everyone you know. Only Cult you never see is the one born into.

Every church in America is tax exempt

​@@brianlain4164they are not a church, they're a cult. Germany doesn't even let them set up shop, england doesn't count them as church status. Really the fbi should lock the lot of them up.

Just start your own church and then become tax exempt. Easy if you’re devoid of morals.

because they went and harassed / personally sued irs employees until they caved being the largest joke.

@@DanN-wh3us that was the Scientology scammer church.

What do you mean? ETA: I just read from other posts he went back to scientology. That's just crazy

Wow that's insane

I don't claim great knowledge about the Rathbun saga, but my recollection is that there's some dispute about whether he returned to Miscavige's toxic flock because of blackmail, monetary payoff, mental exhaustion after Scientology's persistent harassment, his inability to overcome his indoctrination or something else.

*Soooo very very very sad!*

It seems like many of the top tier Scientologists who left were leaving because of Miscavige but were still “Hubbardists.” These people like Rinder, Headley, Scobee and Gilham-Grady are grifting off their past power and glory days under Hubbard.

Marty's back in Scientology.

Yes

It's in the title!

Then it should also say he caved and returned to the cult after this was made. In big bold letters. I've heard it said he was hugely financially compensated to return I've heard others say the safety of loved ones was at stake. In any event, this documentary is grossly inaccurate. The real question is why do you think it's being brought forward again just now?

​@@heidikickhouse-whatever, he could actually be working against them and miss cabbage is too goofy to know it. He could provide info that could probably get the tax exemption removed 🥳🥳🥳

Can you not read?

@@BigpapamoneymanMVPtypebeat do you have manners? Rhetorical question. Troll

Who knows what he was blackmailed with...

Satanic cult

I suppose they felt bad because hes never won an oscar 😂🤣😆

Oh my goodness I know right 😂💀 I was rolling over the fact of psychotic she sounded! 😂

The woman is a high up member. Her voice changed after her clearing!

She sounds evil

She looked like they had her on methamphetamine for this

Among Friends then,lol@@adrialee8149

Seriously

Yes you are absolutely correct. Very TRUE Marty R is back in this cull and has been for quite a while now!!

Yes! Thanks for adding this, it's very old news now

Infiltration can work both ways. Most "defectors" are frauds who get paid to discredit. It's funny as it's not working.

@@COVID...19 detectors or defectors?

What about his wife??

interesting indeed:)

I've always said/thought the exact same thing. I can't believe how much they've gotten away with over the years. Just goes to show you can be not guilty as long as you have enough money. This world is not a fair place at all, not even slightly.

thanks, not gonna watch...

What did the wife end up doing pls/thx ✨️

Appreciate you giving the context. I was wondering what had happened since.

miss cabbage hasn't won anything, he is virtually a prisoner evading multiple process servers.; he is probably gonna end up in court for Leah's case. i would say one thing is for sure, his pappy didn't pull david's britches down and switch his bare hide near enough; but his parents were scientologists ...so there ya go .🙄.

Marty is back into Scientology.

​@BobbyJardine-vs8yc Seriously? And his wife? Did they break up? 😢

Marty’s now bashing the people who were with him in that very living room. The church unfortunately got to him & now he speaks against the critics, he once was. It’s sad.

he is a child abuser and she knows it - - they both sold their souls

@@dwayners13Marty has shown he has violent tendencies. Look what he did to people his first time around. You can practically hear the loose screws rattling as he screams. Now he’s settled his lawsuit with scientology and is back attacking the very people he used to call friends. That’s what Marty does best: play the attack dog and let himself be used. Scientology is probably blackmailing him. That’s how they work. They have degraded Marty to the level of an animal yet these are the people who claim to be the saviors of mankind. Something for David to keep in mind. Both men believe they will live for billions of years. With that kind of lifespan would you really want someone like Marty that mad at you? If you really believe in scientology, if he doesn’t come for you the first billion years he will go after you the second billion years. That would scare the hell out of me and it’s what David M has waiting for him. A mad dog he himself created. May God have mercy on his soul but neither man believes in god.

His 1st wife got him into it.

Wow, crazy scary that pull 👀 💀✨️

He just wanted to be wanted by the cult lead. That’s pretty lame!

always happens to those who become tough amongst a group and then leaves..and finds they're ONLY tough IN the group..they go right back...weakminded fools

Is there any evidence of this? I can only find random anecdotes of this online in forum posts etc... He hasn't had a lot of exposure for quite some time. Looks more like he settled his lawsuit and that was that.

Poor old fella can't make his mind up 😂 They've definitely got something to hold him in place in my opinion

Imagine if you never joined either of them in the first place.

Ya, they'd be dead in a stand your ground state😂 that's why they stay in California, the looney toon State😂

That's not true, he wrote it like it was the Bible. And it is to them, that's their Bible. Plus all the other lectures and seminars, other books and papers he wrote.. Is like if Steven King write a book and made people believe it were true, he would be their God. As L ron is to them now

you gotta go back to the 1950's and L ron hubbard who was basically a failure at everything, but a so called science fiction writer who decided to make money by starting a "religion" Personally, i don't get it, but it's evolution is fascinating. There are bunches of cults out there for sure.

Ask the people of Jonestown or the Branch Davidians.

Huh? A lot of people protest abortion clinics.

I believe he has gone back

He didn't go back, the church paid him and his wife Monique off. Golden Era productions Scientologys propaganda arm of the church had him do a bunch of anti Leah Remini interviews as part of the payoff

I hope not!

Apparently so 🤷‍♂️

Yeah that's the goal that's what they're trying to do cuz they quote L ron Hubbard all the time. By them he is quoted a lot by those people saying if you put enough pressure on people they will lose their minds their jobs and their whole life😢

That’s what I was thinking. I think there must be Scientologists in the 3 letter agencies or something. I would think if you or I harassed anyone on this level for more than a few hours we’d be in jail.

There are currently numerous lawsuits against Scientology, including a harassment one by Leah Remini.

Only Christian’s

the cult pays off lots of cops and they lie, and lie and lie some more.. ...they have no moral compass, no allegiance to anything but their cult.

There is a lot of information out there to help you understand how Scientology has and continues to have diabolical means to accomplish all the harassment including barely skirting the law, paying off law enforcement, smear campaigns and much more.

I viewed this as sort of an update; I knew it was old and I heard that Marty was back with Scientology. Many rumors abound, yet I suspect he is protecting his family and entered into an agreement with the organization. What sort of arrangement is only speculation.

Extremely well executed post. Very articulate and brilliantly conveys the PRINCIPALITY OF THE MATTER.

Except it’s not a religion it’s a brainwashing cult!

they deserve it.. never forget...how they harrassed others for years

Yes, but Marty has joined the very group that was camped outside his house. You might not see them together, but he goes after the same people who helped him. He talks against the very people who helped him & defends the church & the very man who ordered those people to go to his house. Either for money or to conceal secrets they had on him (or both) he rejoined the very group he spoke out about. Sad

@lizs5709: We don’t know that, but certainly people begin to have a different perspective when they suffer the consequences of their behavior. People deserve a chance to make things right, they need to live their lives in peace. I suspect he is doing what he needs to for his family. We all have marks on our character to some degree; I think he has paid for his past involvement with the church. Not having any personal knowledge of the situation, I admit this is my opinion based on speculation, but I sincerely hope that is true, because Scientology is a serious and dangerous group.

Hey Alaska❤ Always wanted to visit you, hope you and yours are well in that lovely state. 🫶, NY🗽

Which L ron Hubbard always said as long as you put enough pressure on people that will cave in they'll lose their job they'll lose their mind. That's exactly what they did to him😢

This video is old. He has either returned to Scientology or is being paid off by them. He's back to harassing critics of Scientology and ex members.

He is low-key working with them again, as the other commenter has said. It's incredibly disappointing, but I can't blame him for wanting his wife to live a peaceful existence. She's a 'never in'. This video is at least 10 years old.

Unfortunately either for money or secrets he didn’t want revealed, he turned his back on the very people who help him & is literally a part of the group who go after people who criticize the church.

She's fuckin crazy. Totally brainwashed.

So sad

Very nice. You're gotten 😊✨️

You got me....❤

Same way as some people believe in the immaculate conception

@@nomadsteve5297 Good answer. And yet the story of this belief is particularly wild. Southpark once visualized it. Pure madness.

My guess is that members do not believe in that fantasy story, but by the time they hear it, they are well invested in the organization. If told the first day, I doubt the membership would grow.

Isnt your sons father… you?

Yeah, Clearwater was creepy 😳 it doesn't want outsiders.

Your sons father? Isn't that you?

@@bishyeahbish3758 this is the mother obviously

They're still married and he's still fighting scientology.

He returned to the scientology cult and miscavige.

​@@bebebishop894most say he's fighting for it, not against it.

Sucked in or forced into an untenable position? Marty has people he wants to protect; once one sees the truth it is difficult to unsee it. I am guessing he does not buy into their BS, but has a plan of his own so he can keep his wife out of the crosshairs.

Who’s going to tell her?

Marty went back and now goes after others who have left

Actually every culture believed in flat earth. It wasn't until Roman Catholic church pushed global earth in Church and schools did it gain ground, despite all the contrary evidence and all respected scientists against it. Go look at UN flag.

You know what else is bad? Showering with one’s daughter.

Yeah it's old and Marty went back to scientology.

I don't know anything about what became of marty but this is definitely a really old video

I am not the creator, but it says in the title or description that it is from 2013. Lots have happened since then, but as with everything with this group, the real story may not come to light. I heard Marty rejoined, but to what degree I do not know. I suspect he had to make a deal, and who amongst us knows what we would do to protect family?

I don't know if we can say he's "back in." I think he's being controlled by them, though

Dang, he made it out! Why did he go back? 😢

@@user-ty2xv6xw8jI think Marty was out into a position where he needed to protect his family. I haven’t heard of any recent activity of harm he has done, so I wonder what the real situation is.

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Your also coo coo!

At it's core, scientology was always about helping people achieve their highest potential, never about total bondage to one narcissistic individual. It was never a Christian religion, sadly, but it surely was never what it has become.

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Never say never. If caught in a vulnerable position in life, one may become a target for such organizations or people may seek out answers from nefarious sources. Never being subject to a situation does not mean one cannot make the same mistakes as others.

Yeah, I heard the same but not sure to what degree he is involved. I imagine they made him an offer he could not refuse. Furthermore, Marty may have his own game plan and to hell with what others may think.