The very first sign of a scammer and con artist is denial, even before all evidence against him - the moment this type of person concedes on any flaw in his/her logic, the castle of cards starts falling down. That's why Cientology goes so bloodthirstingly after it's detractors.
1967 there were hardly many oral surgeons. It would be another 25 years, and this old coot would be dead in 19. Think of the state of them today. If they hadn't turned him to ash because nobody should martyr this bastard.
@@bragiodinsen4604 It is a "hit-piece." Definitely. The original tape was three hours long including one informal interview with Ron (which was destroyed), one scripted interview and several informal interviews of the crew. Bent Corydon and Russell Miller have the full transcripts. Call them. They would be delighted to help you.
Scientology is a crackpot quackery "pseudo-therapy/exorcism" practice. Lower Scientology up through the "Clear" midway point of the whole stepladder of the subject, is the pseudo-therapy section. Then upper Scientology consists of 8 levels, of those upper 8, five of them are the exorcism levels. Just a simple breakdown of the full stepladder divides it up into the pseudo-therapy levels and then the exorcism levels. Scientology is a crackpot pseudo-therapy and exorcism practice. "Clear" is the midway point, where one supposedly has eliminated all the negative effects of one's past-lives trauna. The upper levels exorcism supposedly makes one into a super soul able to soul eject out of one's head, as a sort of soul astronaut. No one ever attains the soul astronaut (able to go out of the body at will, that is) ability. It's all delusional hallucination, at best. It's a long scam, and the exorcism is snipe-hunting for surplus souls (called "body-thetans" by Hubbard) which were supposedly deposited on earth by Xenu, the ancient evil space leader. Xenu desposited zillions of surplus souls onto earth 75 million years ago, per Hubbard, and the five exorcism levels of Scientology are necessary to remove all these surplus souls off of one's human body, which is of course the absurdity of the practices of the movement and why it truly is snipe-hunting. The words "XENU" and "BODY-THETANS" are two taboo words, which anyone can get a lot of mileage and fun out of using those two words in the earshot of Scientologists. Because Scientologists are not allowed to publicly state the two words, you can use those words to detect whether a person is a Scientologist or not, by asking them to discuss XENU and BODY-THETANS with you. The BODY-THETANS are simply the surplus souls that infest all humans today, which need the five Scientology exorcsm levels to remove them. And XENU is simply the ancient space bad guy who did the evil deed of depositing the surplus souls here on earth. - Chuck Beatty ex Scientology staff training department staffer
@@chuckbeattyo just out of curiosity, how are you doing? My understanding is that, if you dare leave or criticize Hubbard or Scientology, they spend the rest of your life harassing you.
And, he's never had a second wife; he must have gone from the first (dead) wife to his 3rd wife?!? The BS this man continually spewed is incredible! (not in a good way! ) This man was something else for sure!
And if they were so "on to him" look at how effectively "they" did anything about it. Many of the world's guberments, as well as the AMA and Shrinks tried to bring him down yet Scientology is world wide just 50 years later. Kinda makes you wonder what the other side of the story is now doesn't it?
@@garygraham4679 If you know the background story and know a little bit about how the human mind work under such structure, then No, don't make me wonder when the story is quite clear.
+Tin Man It is easy to understand that conflict is only illusive. All arguments are illusives. You are always upset because you see what is not there. All feelings are illusives. All ideas are illusives. All senses are illusives. All this world is temporal so illusive also. Are you getting that ? All this writing here is illusive, for it is all imaginary. Let's hope that you can make sense out of those illusions.
+Gérard Lefrançois My guess is that you've had either too much scientiology or too little. Better sign up for some more auditing - they'll pull your head out of your arse.
+Tin Man That is your own illusived guess Tin Man and I respect it. You seem not to understand what I meant that conflict is only illusive and also your guess. Your attack thoughts are attacking your invulnerability. What you see is a form of vengeance.
+Tin Man Try to understand this for a change. Without illusion, conflict is impossible. Who would defend himself unless he thought he were attacked, that the attack were real, and that is own defense could save himself ??? And herein lies the folly of defense; it gives illusions full reality, and then attemps to handle them as real. It adds illusions to illusions thus making correction doubly difficult. And it is this you do when you attempt to plan the future, activate the past, or organize the present as you wish.
No way my friend... This L Ron chap seems to share many of the former, disgraced, twice impeached presidents shortcomings. Besides its well known he was a Democrat his entire life..
He had his "revolutionary Vision" on a hospital bed. Dying for more than ten minutes! In fact he was under the effects of nitrous oxide.....having a tooth extracted... no death, just Nox!
Easy, "we" don't believe in hindering adults from hurting themselves. They have free will. There are many aspects of COS that are outrightly against the law. But a free society cannot stop a cult from continuing w/the practices it has that aren't illegal.
R2-45 is Scientology slang for murder or suicide by gun. Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard described it as "an enormously effective process for exteriorization but its use is frowned upon by this society at this time".
I remember how the devil is depicted in many Hollywood-movies. He has white and polished teath and blinds people by his outcome, clothes and prettyness. Use your mind!
Is it any more bizarre than people falling for what all religions sell us, or people continually falling for the equally odorous bullshit of corrupt, lying politicians?
Taraalcar I'll answer it.....$cientology is like a deceptive, controling, totalitarian government. You would know that if you knew more about $cientology.
I remember meeting this girl at the Celebrity Center. She was a Scientologist. Sitting there talking, she pulled a pack of cigarettes and lit one. I asked her, since smoking is bad for you, doesn't it violate Scientology? She replied, "Ron smokes." Present tense. He was dead, but they refereed to him in the present tense.
I believe they talk about him in present tense because they believe his spirit is still alive. Here's something from Wiki: "The original contains a Doomsday Prophecy that the Galactic Confederacy will return soon and telepathically enslave the universe but Hubbard wrote that he will return after his death and in a Messiah-like role "halt a series of events designed to make happy slaves of us all""
In the East Grindstead centre in the UK. They have his suits and sailor uniform in glass cases. When he come's back he can have a choice of what to wear.
This was really fasinating to watch because I use to be a Scientologist, and I remember how we use to look up to Hubbard like he was some kind of enlightend being who was going to help us all become super humans. I wish every Scientologist could see this video. They are indeed a delusional bunch. I discovered this as a staff member when my Scientologist friend told me she could leave her body at will. I told her to turn around and tell me how many fingers I held up. She couldn't do it.
"Love" is not the first word that comes into my mind looking at and listening to Hubbard. I think he's the MOST utterly repulsive character i can think of.
This is 4years after i got very briefly pulled into this crap, but watching this i know that what i felt about their spiel was that they were so intelligent, and i was only 15/16 and thought i had something missing in the intellect side of things. I didnt stay long because i was pulled out literally by my dad, and watching this again, i now realise that my Dad did know something about this mob. Oh, how i have changed. Knowing now what my dad knew.
L Ron Hubbard Went to the cupboard To get some science fiction he wrote read A publisher read it And said "This stuff is shit!" So he invented Scientology instead
"ive married twice, im very happily married etc etc, my first wife is dead" "what happened to your second wife?" "ive never had a second wife" wait what?
IDanielGarrido that's what lead me here actually, we were talking about that clip on twitter and someone was kind enough to provide a link to this highly amusing but also seriously creepy video.
An excellent interviewer. LRH was put on the spot many times and although he trotted out his usual plastic smile, you could see that he was none too pleased to be challenged. Anyone else within the group who questioned him would be severely punished, as is recorded in many places.
But lets not talk about how these people were conned. Its not by accident. HE KNEW who he prayed on. Now lets all talk about what was wrong with these peopels lives before we get back to the easy game of trashing a man who has been dead for decades. Lets talk about the people who did his bidding...like Rathbun. Lets talk about the people who were budhhists and joined Hubbard...Like Jon Atak. Lets talk about the sexually challanged who signed up to enlist people like ...well, we all know who. Cheers
My favorite quote of his is "If a man really wanted to make money, he'd invent a religion". 5 years later, Scientology pops out of his ass. That guy was a freaking genius.
Just listened to an interview with John Atack on Surviving Scientology, and he mentioned this documentary - and ESPECIALLY the conversation that was not taped! :O :O :O Thanks @Mark Bunker for making this available!
Kill a baby... What a wacko! He LIES! "I've been married twice," and "I never had a SECOND wife." Liverlips, that means you have a SECOND wife! How can they not see this man was a con artist?
Hubbard was always running from the law. The Sea Org was created to support him while he was a fugitive. That should tell you everything you need to know about Scientology.
(Hubbard) "...I've been married twice." (Interviewer)- "What happened to your second wife?" (Hubbard) "I never had a second wife." If he's been married twice, then he's currently married to his second wife. He just proved himself to be a liar!
It absolutely boggles my mind that people can look at Hubbard's facial expressions while responding to questions and not see that he's a complete charlatan.
Somebody please tell me how in fuck's name a movement originated nearly 60 years ago by someone clearly resembling the Mouth of Sauron is STILL attracting recruits in the 21st century!!
@Keyboard Dancers - Scientology isn't seeing much in the way of "new recruits" these days (and their tiny membership is dwindling) thanks to the Internet and all the ex-members speaking out about the abuses and criminality of this cult. The release of the documentary Going Clear (and the book), the many lawsuits against Narconon (Scientology's fake drug rehab which tries to recruit new members; many patients have died at their facilities), reporter Tony Ortega, (check out his daily blog!), Mike Rinder's blog, Chris Shelton, Tory, Marty Rathbum etc, have all made it very difficult for this cult to hide anymore. People know what's up now. And it's only gonna get worse for Scientology. I, for one, can't wait to see Miscavige in prison.
@@mz.sweetiperry They are having to go to less developed parts of the world to get recruits. But since those people are typically less wealthy, they bring them into the U.S. under “Religious” Visas, and essentially traffic them into the Sea Org, where they make $50 a month as servants to $camentology.
"During the 30's and 40's I was a highly successful writer. That's where all the money came from." 19:14 LOL, he is a massive bullshitter. He was a pulp fiction writer writing for a pennny a word.
What I think this demonstrates above all else is how stage-managed Hubbard's charisma was. He's terribly charming, his speech is very careful, but the moment the interviewer asks him a question he's not prepared for, he really stumbles. There are one or two bits where you can even catch a note of anger.
Digscomics I don't find him charming for one second. One look at him gives me the skivvies. As soon as he starts speaking, my bullshit detector goes off. I'm guessing some people don't have the gene that triggers fear from guys like this.
culwin Nobody's disputing that he was a thoroughly unpleasant, frankly evil man. And I agree that as a narcissist, he was nowhere near as clever as he thought he was (this video illustrates that). But to dismiss him as a total charmless idiot is to deny an obvious fact - he was clever enough to convince thousands of people, many of them intelligent and successful, that he was literally the greatest man who ever lived. Many of his former associates noted that he was a good talker (albeit given to flights of fantasy). This is quite common among cult leaders - Charles Manson and Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh are two other examples that spring to mind. They're people who are in general total screw-ups, but they're clever enough to know how to manipulate people. That's what makes them so dangerous.
Yes, if you marry the same person twice. But, he said his first wife is dead(with a HUGE smile.) He says he's been married "twice." If the first wife is dead and he has remarried, then the Mary Sue would be his second wife. But, because he is trying to hide his bigamist marriage to Sara Northrup he said he "never had a second wife." I would think that he would have said that Mary Sue is second wife, not say he never had one.
Erica Adams Scientology has improved my life tremendously. L. Ron was a smart and important man. His teachings are vital in achieving spiritual enlightenment and freedom.
Manmelt says l ron was a 'smart and...' but hubbard couldn't even add to 3, so that says everything anyone needs to know. in this video hubbard denies being in charge, but then complains that people on the ship don't follow his orders. the man was a pathological liar, and his "tech" couldn't even cure his disgusting oral hygiene issues (or, at the very least, make him better at brushing and flossing). yet people continue to pay large sums of money and think he was someone to be idolized 🙄
Looking at Hubbard here and reading the often-confused & muddled comments here and also on the 'Cruise Uncut' posting on RU-vid, it's amazing how clearly and accurately this film understood Hubbard & Scientology all those years ago. It's a pity more people didn't listen over the years since - no one can now say they weren't absolutely and clearly told and warned by this film.
The documentary doesn`t point out that "Auditing Process R2-45" is actually taking an R2-45 revolver and shoot somebody in the head, thus putting him outside his body.
This video is a most revealing look into the mind of the madman named L. Ron Hubbard. If I had had has the opportunity to see this film in the late 70's, before I became a member of scientology, I know I would not have invested the nearly 20 years of my life I gave him in practicing, defending and protecting his pseudoscience so unworthy of my unquestioning loyality. I am shocked at how calculated his plan was to take whatever money and sanity he could from anyone he could scam.
MrColbert101 It's par for the course everywhere but the US, where news/current affairs interviewers seem to think they're paid to suck up to/be unfailingly polite the interviewee.
Has any expert on body language ever analyzed Hubbard's videos? That should be interesting, I am not expert but I already catch him in a couple of lies just looking at his eyes. Also Mark Bunker, great work man. I meet you once at a computer store. I keep a low profile because half of my family is in the cult, but I am trying my best to wake them up and I use a lot of your material and others to help me onto how to deal with my brainwashed family. Thanks man
"How many times have you been married?" "How many times have I been married. I've been married twice. And I'm very happily married just now. I have a wife and I have four children and my first wife is dead." "What happened to your second wife?" "I've never had a second wife." LOLWUT????
Hubbard was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic, but he was so eloquent, charismatic, memory and intellect seemed to be intact. Its an unusual presentation, he never appeared to be hallucinating or delusional, although I don't doubt his diagnosis and we only have a little footage of him. He was insane, which makes his accomplishments even more interesting, even if scientology (intentionally lowercase) is evil.
I don't see him as eloquent or charismatic, and I'm always baffled when I see him described that way. Apparently he does have that effect on some people, so there must be something there, but I've listened to quite a few of his lectures (rarely in one sitting because it really gets on my nerves listening to him). To me he just comes across as a deranged person, albeit one with some very deliberate nefarious motives. He constantly "invents" words out of thin air without making any effort to explain their meaning, he rambles and rambles for ages about stuff without making any sense, he gets stuck in these weird hacky monotonous "barking" sessions where he just angrily seems to blurt out incoherent authoritarian ideas, he has a deeply unpleasant and unnatural mimickry, he's got the body, voice and appearance of an insignificant pervert. What interests me about scientology is how on earth people were taken in by this guy. And that is not to denigrate people who were, but just genuinely me not understanding how people can listen to this man and hear anything that speaks to them. When I look at Jim Jones, especially in his early years, I can totally understand how people got persuaded by that guy, he was a handsome, charismatic man, and his speeches genuinely spoke to his constituents, and expressed an understanding of their needs, even if Jones later perverted all that and took his people all the way to mass suicide. Marshall Applewhite, had really outlandish ideas, but his demeanor expressed a deep empathy for the people he took in to his Heaven's Gate cult. I can understand how those guys could appeal to people in need of help and loving care. I can see how they were able to exploit that using the appearance of empathy and benevolent sanity. But with Hubbard, I really don't get it, because there's nothing there in terms of empathy, there's nothing there in terms of benevolence, and in terms of sanity, that only surfaces when you see him deliberately plotting evil ways of extorting his followers or attacking his detractors. Only then can you see there was a rational person hiding under all that incoherent rambling after all. An evil rational person. Which makes the incoherent rambling even more insufferable to listen to, because you know he doesn't believe a word of anything he is blurting out. The only thing that really shines through to me is a bloated ego.
+Sam -222830- Pendleton It is easy to understand that conflict is only illusive. All arguments are illusives. You are always upset because you see what is not there. All feelings are illusives. All ideas are illusives. All senses are illusives. All this world is temporal so illusive also. Are you getting that ? All this writing here is illusive, for it is all imaginary. Let's hope that you can make sense out of those illusions.
Gérard Lefrançois How can I make sense out of an illusion? You speak in nonsense; you want me to believe that all ideas are illusive, yet you want to make sure I understand the idea you're trying to communicate. If all ideas are illusive, then I CANNOT understand your idea, or anything else.
fantastic journalism. the power of a narcissist is tremendous especially when it's invisible from the eyes of a co-dependent admirer. often now called the dark triad and plenty of Ron's running amock in positions of power.
Best $cientology doc I've seen. I've always thought other religions would be well served if their prophets / messiahs were captured on camera like this.
Interviewer is ace in this, @13:05 LRH: "we have this book on how to save your marriage" Interviewer "How many times have you been married?" LRH "Twice"
.... and Hubbard goes on to say that he "never had a second wife". His reason? Cos, although he didn't of course say so, in reality the "marriage saver/expert" married his second wife bigamously. And, having dumped his second wife, the "marriage-saver's" THIRD wife, Mary Sue, ended up with a 5 year jail sentence - upheld despite endless appeals - so taking the rap for Hubbard and then, as a 'Thank You', was deserted by him. "How to Save your Marriage indeed". What a TOTAL shyster ....
His mouth moves almost in complete reverse or opposite of the words being spoken. I've never seen a moving mouth moving in such direct opposition to what's being said.
Christoph Schnapp I noticed he touched his nose once. Stopped counting after that. Did he keep touching his nose a lot? I didn't get that. Creative part of his brain? Well, why wouldn't you want to be creating your reality on the spot in the moment? Do you want to be living perpetually in the midst of yesterday's dirty laundry? Oh, you think he's lying. I think he's just coming up with witty creative ways of answering the questions of a hostile reporter. And in a very cheerful and polite manner, I might add.
Of course you NEVER would have contempt for someone who is trying to roast your ass like this reporter is doing to Ron. You'd having nothing but love and tender mercies. Yeah, Ron's face is very expressive. Micro-expressions of his mouth. Great attention to detail!
I just don't feel that Ron is lying. He's coming up with creative ways to answer. It's not the same as lying. I am not now an active Scientologist, and I am not taking sides. Whoever turns out to be right in the end, I feel it will be whoever is the most CONSCIOUS, AND the most COMPASSIONATE. I hate to see anyone come to harm, ever. If people could entertain a point of view without becoming IDENTIFIED with it, then we could have a civilized discussion. I am NOT my point of view. I am viewing FROM a point of view. I could assume any point of view without the need to be RIGHT about that point of view. This is something I've learned from Scientology. In the film here it's mentioned that crew members are trained to be ethically beyond reproach. Why would anybody object to that? I think a lot of the anti-Scientolgy is just pure envy. Ron seems to be having a great time, and miserable people want to attack him over money, and how many wives he had. And it's true what he said about suppressive persons. It's someone who wants to deny rights to others. I see this everyday. It's based in fear. I'm getting hate right now from the local Pentecostals because they don't like homosexuals. It's beyond them to consider that I haven't violated anybody's rights by living my life as I see fit. It's just that their understanding of "Scripture" is that homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord. Okay, you can go ahead and believe that. How have I harmed you? And they want to hate and shake their head in pity. They don't even PRACTICE their own fucking religion! "Forgive others their sins so that you may also be forgiven," and "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I also am aware that Scientology isn't necissarily gay friendly. That's one of the issues I have with the COS, and it's why I'm leaning now more towards organizations like Transcendental Meditation, which one of their senior members has a brother who is openly gay, and they have a foundation in San Francisco to support people infected with HIV. Turns out that TM has been shown to improve the immune system and lower viral load in HIV infected people.
Mark Bunker reminds me of a quote from the bible: "The path of the righteous man [Mark Bunker] is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men [Scientology/Scientologists/David Miscavige]. Blessed is he [Mark Bunker], who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak [Scientologist] through the valley of darkness [Scientology], for he [Mark Bunker] is truly his brother's [humanities] keeper and the finder of lost children [Scientlogists]. And I [God] will strike down upon thee [Scientology/Scientologists/David Miscavige] with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers [humanity]. And you [Scientologists/Scientology/David Miscavige] will know my [God] name is the Lord when I [God] lay my vengeance upon thee". Mark Bunker is truely doing the lord's work 🙏.
chykcha Scientology has improved my life tremendously. L. Ron was a smart and important man. His teachings are vital in achieving spiritual enlightenment and freedom.
Manmelt he slept Sara,with his friend partner,Jack Parsons. And together with Sara, took this man money and took off. During his life he was a dropout , never finished anything. During a conversation with this film filmaker,Hubbard said he didn't understand how intelligent people could ever fall for his con. He made the analogy like scientologists were the fish and the "dianetics" the fake fly that caught them. He even said that he begin doing this for the money...more for the fishing gullible, brighter than him,people. God!!! You don't want to see the reality.
Manmelt Do you also smoke meth? If not, you are pretty crappy follower, mister. :D You need to up your game! Until your teeth rots out from all the meth, you are not on his level! :D
@ Manmelt - He was a drunken nut that suckered you morons out of your $, now DM is your Adolph and mein kampf is your bible. It's all a huge pyramid scheme to pay suckers 10% on every new sucker they get to pay. How dumb can you be to fall into this cauldron of hate and disconnection from the free world? I pity you all, that house of financial cards is going to fall really hard when the IRS pulls the churches status. Have fun paying $200 per hour to hold some fancy ohm meter leads, make sure you powder your hands well so the meter can't see you sweat lol.
This is true, watching him you can't help but wonder why so many people found him convincing. A lot of people are just desperate to believe someone is going to rescue them and they aren't too choosy about how quality the saviour is. Shades of Life of Brian.
@@MarquisDeSang it's a cult involved in the trafficking of people, especially children. Ripping families apart, blackmail and physical and mental abuse. Then covers those abuse's from the outside world. It's the absolute opposite of any church. It teaches people to brainwash themselves. And those fortunate enough to escape, spend decades with nightmares and terrible PTSD. How could anyone describe that garbage as a good thing??!
Hubbard is difficult to listen to because his words don't mean anything. He is a word merchant. He sells science fiction to gullible people who believe he is helping them. How sad.
When a person lies they invariably give themselves away through externally readable movements and gestures. Among these are eye movements. If you watch LRH, when he is asked an 'uncomfortable' question he looks down and to the right, this is a indicator of using his imagination and internal dialogue to try and answer the 'awkward' question. When one is accessing their memory, i.e telling the truth they tend to look up and to the left.
Just to remind us again, "On Thursday, February 2, the Court of Appeal in Paris confirmed the conviction of two Scientology organisations for organised fraud, increasing the sentences against two of the appellants. The Appeal Court conformed the following convictions and sentences: The Celebrity Centre, was convicted of organised fraud. It was fined 400,000 euros and ordered to pay for the details of the conviction to be published in several major French newspapers....." There's more!
"Knowing-ness"? "Out-ness"? It's no wonder the interviewing got nothing from Hubbard's explanation. And for all of his money, he was awful shy of the dentist.
At 13:13 he says: ''I've been married twice'' and at 13:25 he says: ''I never had a second wife'' only a first and a third Mr. Hubbard? Hummmm, I see...
People saying he makes no sense here obviously haven't read the "leaked" Operating Thetan documents... this video is the most sense I think he ever made...
