Scire vs Tenebrion vs 21 | Ultimate tank showdown

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A comprehensive, in-depth guide to the dark tanks in PGR
As always, any questions regarding the data or related, can always message me by atsushi._ in PGROfficial / discord .
QTE datasheet
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Warzone dalaos
Setsu - / @setsugekwa
Ackman - / @ackman1620
iLi - www.youtube.com/@ilipgr/videos
A bit of everything
sNazz - / @snazzkun
Offy - / @offy07
Technical and more
Doomy - / @doomypgr
Timestamp
0:00 Disclaimer
0:06 Getting called out
1:00 Intro video
1:37 Scire
1:42 Intro Scire
2:07 Sub-rank system
3:05 Main damage, main sets
3:28 Main 2 sets and why
3:49 Intro comparison
3:57 Tanks
4:24 Tank example
4:34 What makes a character good?
4:56 Shred values
5:30 Shred methods
6:00 Shred uptime
6:38 Supportive capabilities
7:08 Damage distribution
8:18 Analysis
9:40 So why?
10:00 The dark team
10:30 The real problems
10:36 Warzone problem
13:03 Phantom Pain Cage
13:26 Future of dark
14:03 Conclusion
15:37 Tips and tricks
16:14 Personal opinion
17:33 Credits
Special credits to everyone who contributed, there's so many that I lost track. But still, thank you so much.

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9 июл 2024

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@Muin.. Год назад

its been 2 seconds without an Atsushi video, I can’t stop shaking and I’m having severe mental breakdowns. I woke up today and immediately logged onto RU-vid but all that greeted me was nothingness, 0 activity from Atsushi. I had a major panic attack but managed to calm down after a few hours. I am nothing without Atsushi's videos, it is my life and my everything. I don't think I can hold on for much longer, put a note on my grave when Atsushi uploads again

@s-boy4613 Год назад

This is the kind of video and answer i wish the PGR community had more of. Inspects every aspect of the question, explains all the nuances and variables in an understandable, thorough way. Seriously. Good fucking work

@churchofthetea4273 Год назад

Even at low invest i'd take karenina Her debuff lasts longer than tenebrion which to me is super comfy

@fussia2568 Год назад

tenebrion's qte lasts for 3 seconds which makes 6+3 seconds of debuff, but yeah, if you don't have kamui you should pull for daren

@yusram8182 11 месяцев назад

Nope would rather just have kamui plus for casual player like me who would have other priorities to do in life it’s not worth it to spend all that pulling with slightly difference. Abystigma is the one real thing to look forward in 2 months now

@tahamoradi2432 8 месяцев назад

Well it's also 10 sec on no.21 qte for 20% at sss bcs something that wasn't mentioned is qte expands a duskglow realm and it have all the effects on the skill too

@Noksen Год назад

I've always wanted to see an in-depth analysis video with dmg comparision, uptime and more

@sNazzkun Год назад

Thanks for the mention brother Great extensive video, covered everything I was very curious of but my small brain can't comprehend x) Thanks for all the time you put into this for us (as in the pgr community as a whole) 🛐

@adasregret1816 Год назад

This video is really informative. Insta sub and like. Looking forward to more contents like this in the future

@getanutxy 11 месяцев назад

Damn, that was some information you laid out there. Massive thanks for making this video!

@reisenlaniakea7374 Год назад

So informative!

@RobotCatDude Год назад

kudos to detail, informative video like this

@arimasenpai8109 Год назад

Good video bro!

@thepoetpen7154 Год назад

Wow, as a new player, this was incredible. Thanks for the video

@winter5945 9 месяцев назад

Omg actually theorycrafting in PGR, I must be dreaming. Good job man, keep going with these.

@user-wz6sn7yh8t Год назад

After Atsu's spiritual baptism, I began reflecting on my past actions: Was I too greedy the whole time? So, I re-adjusted my mindset and started watching Atsushi ch today. But when i saw the "Scire vs Tenebrion vs 21" video, i already thought these are more than enough to prove Atsu's generosity, therefore I knelt on the ground for 100 whole minutes to show my gratitude. To make it easier for me to kneel, I sawed off the legs of my PC table so that I could watch Atsushi ch while kneeling.

@cykab1y474 Год назад

amazing video, very nice run down on whether or not shes viable in the current meta

@NJR0091 Год назад

Thanks for the info - was agonizing over to get Karen to replace my Tenebrion, when I think it'd be best to get him to SS with the anniversary banner (as much as I do like Karen more). I just can't in good conscious try and build another character when Balter, Firegod Lee and later still Motivated Alpha are coming out pretty soon (the last of which I am most excited for, so much so I might end up whaling a bit lol).

@Emboh10 Год назад

A good day when atsushi uploads

@SuperSertyuio Год назад

I actually rmeember seing that message on discord lol! Welcome back!

@superqueso Год назад

The definitive video 🥵

@adamk.3229 Год назад

Great video as always! But I'm surprised you didnt mention about SS Teneb needing to ult to hit 25% shred, that affects competitive modes like PPC and WZ for sure.

@SonicBlastarz Год назад

In the case of PPC, you don't use his ult anyways, regardless if hes ss or not. Its a "waste of time" and simply faster to immediately swap to Luna instead. WZ, of course he factored in the ult, thats why teneb field time is "9% variable" in the graph.

@adamk.3229 Год назад

@@SonicBlastarz on your point for PPC - that's exactly what I'm trying to get at. Some newer players may think "Oh SS Teneb is equivalent to SS Daren on shred, 25%", but that caveat of needing to ult first effectively means you only have 10% shred even with SS Teneb in PPC since you will never use his ult. This point alone is enough reason for me to not skip Daren (also since I can afford her anyways).

@vr_renault Год назад

bonus from me, in the 3.5 anniv(i know it is so far), there are a selection rate up for blue ticket so it is possible to have dark karen ss3 for f2p/low spender, but yeah in the far future

@Atsusge Год назад

It's a slight mistake from me that I didn't mention, so forgive me! The main point for ppc was the increase in actual resistance benefit which is quite low as generation 2 bosses have quite low resistance pools. But certainly not a thing to underestimate. I curtailed on the cost efficiency rather than the damage efficiency benefit.

@fussia2568 Год назад

@@adamk.3229 ss karen still applies 15% debuff via qte without BiS weapon which f2p will skip anyways.

@FBlitz97 Год назад

Fantastic breakdown of the character. Just one question though: for SS3 Daren + Signature and weapon resonances, would 2 set condelina or einsteina work better specifically for warzone, considering that I also have SSS Cappricio and SSS Luna ?

@Atsusge Год назад

Darens Einsteina application is fairly limtied to QTE only as you'll be using orbs for core stacks. With your team investment you can just not run einst at all or put einteina on Capriccio.

@justgravios3945 Год назад

Ayo Thats really good guide... Nice But i think i will stick with my dark team right now. (rozen sss, astral sss and tenebrion ss3)

@icehashira2864 Год назад

The Video we all needed, Atsu Sama

@Captain_nickisreal Год назад

Damn i kinda got excited then i realized that i aim to be a meta player in PGR after playing for almost a year

@eyywannn8601 Год назад

I feel like I recall our fish buffs ult dmg.

@chiboy5567 Год назад

I have tenebrion at s rank with no signature weapon so getting Daren and her signature weapon will definitely be a slight upgrade for me I also have about 1000 paincage ☠️ so I can definitely ss her and Bianca abstigma and as for ss3 I think it’s just one copy needed after ss that I can also do …..in the future I will try and sss her

@scrabble9291 Год назад

To get ss3 daren, u just need 2 copies and 27 shards from the Pain Cage shop

@BBQsaucemix Год назад

What's the advantage of having a longer QTE duration? Thank you for doing this once again!

@IIISFlIl Год назад

Makes the buff you get from da vinci last longer --> your ATK stats will stay boosted for longer.

@BBQsaucemix 11 месяцев назад

@@IIISFlIl Thanks!

@ayatoayagi1278 Год назад

First of all, tank you very much for making this detailed comparison between them. In my case, I still prefer Tenebrion over her because I can't and will not invest in her that much when there are op characters waiting behind her. And for me, signature weapons are very limited, so I need to plan carefully. Another thing which also makes her unavailable is I have Tenebrion's weapon and he is doing more than enough for me in wz and ppc. Afterall, I really can't compete with whales in higher ranges.😅

@narscissus7779 Год назад

As a fellow Lee enjoyer... I have the same mindset and agree with every word you said. 😄

@Raikeran Год назад

3rd Lee enjoyer, might also save for now

@lazyfairy4487 Год назад

As a 4th Lee enjoyer, I love my KIMOCHI YOKATTA

@yusram8182 11 месяцев назад

To sums it up everything and literally been said many times either whale SS3 or it’s up to u if u still want to get her for being waifu or u like her whatever that is. I’m fine with kamui being at S rank plus I’m not even malding or competing among these whale servers it’s just not worth it for someone who had other things in life to do

@DMXIII Год назад

Very high quality video! But I will have to stay with the team [Luna SS / N°21 (A) SSS / Vera (A) SSS] for a few more years. Then replacing Luna with Lamia will be cheaper in the long run. Also, i will save the maximum BC for all new Attackers, they will change the game forever.

@BoredInTheComments 11 месяцев назад

Which attackers are you saving for? And did you end up pulling Empyrea when she cane out?

@Setsugekwa Год назад

15:03 “add subtitle here” :run:

@richardhuynh1537 9 месяцев назад

I see Scire lover I subscribe :D

@HuTao_Sparkle 11 месяцев назад

As a F2p, I'm still stick with sss+ 21 because my Scire is still low level my memories and S rank, also my weapon is a 5star

@artOVtrolling 11 месяцев назад

I see bunny waifu with hammer, I pull.

@reisenlaniakea7374 Год назад

Dear Atsushi, you already mentioned the upcoming new 3 attackers who are released in a row Abystigma, Hyperreal and Crimson Weaver and i don't know if there are fun for me or not (i'm on global, so i can't test them) Guide videos are rare about them and so are in depth number crunching analyses as your videos of how many dupes are needed/ worth it and for which player. With enough informations the people could decide to skip a construct to save enough for the right one. Maybe that's a topic to cover in a video? I'm SS3 with Karenina now, but im torn between to go to SSS3 or stay and save for the upcoming 3 attackers. Selena is event 4 shards away from SSS. ;)

@Atsusge Год назад

Scire is legitimately the only ever character that has a non visible issue for many players that's why I covered it. I don't usually make character guides as I believe most kits can be learned by testing yourself or looking at many many other content creators that dedicate their time preparing them. Of course I do make exceptions like my previous garnet video where I explained some important overall mechanics using her as an example. I'll see if I will, or not, make a guide for them but currently there's no high demand as the new characters are just way stronger in every regard that skipping is not really worth it. If you want more information on them I can always address the topic more in-depth in discord, just need to ping me.

@reisenlaniakea7374 11 месяцев назад

I didn't came across just one video who explains the playstyle of Abystigma for example. Most western content creators are on global and produce guides just for the unit who is next. What i could read out of the Grayravens site ist that the recomended copys of the three attackers are something like this: Bianca Abystigma S or SSS Lee Hyperreal SS or SS3 Alpha Crimson Weave SS3 or SSS I will just save for the worst situation then. ^^''' I now feel your coment on the damage level difference between an attacker and a tank who just feels strong. And i will stay at SS3 with Karenina. This three attackers will be the heart of 3 teams. Skipping is not an option. Please don't feel yourself forced from me to do anything. I'm happy that you responded the last time and this time to answer my questions. And thank you for the offer, i feel bad to decline, but i wouldn't want that. Edit: Stupid me, Altera has the answers to my questions in his Video descriptions. I just never saw this. >_

@shirayukiyami1891 Год назад

Prayge that we can be a luccsacc and pull 2 darens before pity so sig wep is not a dream😂 but ngl dark team is the most complex team right now that there are a lot of combination and their dmg being locked on ranks

@sttgl Год назад

Nice (I’m going to skip karenina cuz I’m poor)

@myun5324 Год назад

Question about new characters like Bianca, Lee or Alpha. Do they have to be SS3 or just SS is fine?

@Atsusge Год назад

All of their SS3 have increased in energy and rotation efficiency gain. It's not a direct contributor to single rotational dmg itself but indirectly speeds up many other things increasing the DPS mean. You can live with SS without a problem, as their dmg is already higher by double or sometimes triple their old elemental attacker counterpart SSS+ ranks.

@pwowq 3 месяца назад

with the release of lamia in cn, what is scire current state? ss3 scire still the minimum?

@Atsusge 3 месяца назад

Depends on its purpose. PPC SS is good enough. WZ SS3 minimum, or if you don't have SS3 at least weapon resonances to cover up the overtime dmg loss on swap, if you swap that is.

@decean2451 Год назад

I see you’re giving me more reasons to drop 100$ for Karen+ more for idol skin :pepela:

@pougetguillaume4632 Год назад

21 because i main cerberus woof

@yuppppy Год назад

it would have been a better video if the backround muzic was lower it kinda overpower the voice

@kennnnn Год назад

You are forgetting that there are people like me whose dark team is something like: SSS Astral SSS Selena no tank lmao I will soon S+ Astral with interlude and some rolling, and I will fully leap him in the Noan patch. I dont have Tenebrion and my 21 is still level 1 and no memories.

@Mar-sj3vw Год назад

Wait wasn't tenebrion dark shred only exist when he's in his ultimate form? If so that makes karen so much better than him,

@johnprice564 Год назад

I Have Scire in Jp, so no need to pull her again in global kek

@kuyapadoru Год назад

I more rather to used 21 than kamui, because kamui is suck in damage and also kamui only can do is goddamn QTE unlike 21 can do more massive damage than kamui

@workhard8924 Год назад

Quick question is sss balter worth it over ss balter?

@Atsusge Год назад

SSS balter is a meta defining upgrade, she basically goes from doubling SSS+ alphas dmg to quadrupling it.

@workhard8924 Год назад

Perfect, thanks will roll for her sss especially since I’ll have time to save for Virgil Lucia

@veritasflare Год назад

you haven't answered one question tho, are you going to get Daren's new coating? o_o

@Atsusge Год назад

Not getting her skin = a ticket straight to the guillotine

@misternarcissist6522 Год назад

@@Atsusge well i think i am gonna get excuted cuz i'm poor

@vagomundo296 11 месяцев назад

DC link invalid 😢

@inari5506 Год назад

For the next time. BGM is way louder than your voice tune it a down a notch and you are golden!

@Atsusge Год назад

Yes! I just got a new mic and was testing it for the video, somehow the recording sensitivity is through the roof that it detects slight changes in background sound so I had to mask it by using music. I'll definitely work on it next time.

@inari5506 Год назад

@@Atsusge No worries I just wanted to make you aware of it! But you already are and also the subtitles made up for it :)

@kalkomsksikru Год назад

What's her rank is her last stage of tutorial? She cant be just S there cause that's a lot of damage. She's dealing around 100k when uppercut and ult deals around 49k each damage

@Atsusge Год назад

Tutorial stage should be always max so in this case SSS+, usually tutorial stage units have different memories, final attack and are dealing with other sources of dmg impairment due to the lack of hypertunes, resonances and other. Also have to take into consideration the enemies resistance which massively affects dmg.

@kalkomsksikru Год назад

@@Atsusge jeez, now I am more confused who to pull. Can u pls help me? I only have that Rollerskater fire thank and Live Lumi and the rest are just A ranks 😭 I was planning on getting Liv Empryea in 100% banner but Im not sure. It's hard to be beginner in this game 😭

@Atsusge Год назад

@@kalkomsksikru Pull all new units from now on, don't back track all the way to old ones. Daren patch is an exception because if you're not heavily investing on her then you can decide to pull something else. If you want empyrea then go for empyrea, just remember the premise, "Pull as long as it won't heavily affect my bc income for future generation units".

@Rejjis Год назад

@@kalkomsksikruSkip her if your goal is to get someone else. I personally focused on one team and one team only, so I skipped Empyrea, Plume, and Glory. That's 3 S ranks that could have been SS by now. I went straight to the throat and got Luna to SSS and got a Nier team for Physical. Then I was fine after that. So now that we have gen 2, consider your priorities. I'm going after Crimson weave.

@kalkomsksikru Год назад

@@Rejjis i actually want to build one team for now, that's my plan to start as a newbie, Im just not sure how would nanami pulse would do instead of starfare in fire team or maybe I just get a solid Physical team and get Abystigma and free s selector for that blue metallic chic physical tank and I have Liv Lumi already. I'm going after the closest team to what I currently have

@davidbaggiomeira1070 Год назад

I skip daren to have Selena's SSS😢

@vr_renault Год назад

hey, it is more worth to buy battle pass to get selena shard than pulling for her, you will get extra 2500 pet ticket and 2500 limited banner ticket, i just doing this strategy for 3 month and will get sss selena in next months(5 shard left to sss)

@davidbaggiomeira1070 Год назад

@@vr_renault I have enough currency to buy her fragments in the store and I have her fragments to get the free ones for those 50 that they gave you, unfortunately I don't have the economic possibilities otherwise I would go for Karen's SS3, that's why I do this

@huehuerino Год назад

Do i need Scire sig? Is Scire worth pulling? What mems for Scire? Is the CUb good? Should i pull on CUB? I'm f2p skipping everything for SSS I'm skipping Scire I'm skipping the CUB XXI is just as good as Scire Tenebrion is just as good as Scire What team does Scire go on? What is SS3? When does Scire come out? Should i skip [X] for Scire? What are the best packs to buy? How do I use Scire? Scire reminds me of [insert other game char] When is BRS collab? Who is the next unit after Scire? BARK WOOF WOOF VERA WOOF GUAU GUAU F2p BTW Is it a good time to start playing? [X] content is only for whales

@ProjectGU Год назад

Personally, I can skip her just fine but Tenebrion IS SO BAD even at SS with sig and x1 reso . I cannot wait to replace him honestly.

@renmanjares5314 8 месяцев назад

Yeah i understand you, Tenebrion literally got the worst core passive possible. That's his only skill that ruined his overall gameplay

@_zaaphiel Год назад

She is waifu

@000nether000 Год назад

Dont bother with kuro submissions Did u see the livestream for globruh anni? Yeha gck them

@equinox7189 Год назад

Will SS3 Daren / Tenebrion / Capriccio work while Dareb serves as Main DPS?

@Atsusge Год назад

Yes

@pedrobelaciano 6 месяцев назад

tenebrion's kit seem outdated

@dayfe9933 Год назад

Glad i can skip daren easly

@yuri2675 Год назад

@knnccb_ Год назад

@EvErXeCt Год назад

its been 2 months without an Atsushi video, I can’t stop shaking and I’m having severe mental breakdowns. I woke up today and immediately logged onto RU-vid but all that greeted me was nothingness, 0 activity from Atsushi. I had a major panic attack but managed to calm down after a few hours. I am nothing without Atsushi's videos, it is my life and my everything. I don't think I can hold on for much longer, put a note on my grave when Atsushi uploads again