Too many downgrades for a "premium" bikes 😞... very disappointed by Triumph to be honest... I have the 2017 Street Scrambler and was wondering to upgrade... but now will maybe try to grab a 2023 XE model (which seems better than the 2024 for me) or wait until they come back to premium components! ...
First: We see alot of what downgrades in the 1200X model having dropped the premium display, handlebar switch gear and move away from radial brembos to name a few of numerous other components. This XE also notes alot of marketing hiding either OBVIOUS COST CUTTING or, lets pray, they spent their money of actual suspenion setup to valve these SMALLER (45mm down from 47mm showa's) correctly as the prior shocks and fork were of acceptable quality but very poor valving/damping tune in stock form. We also see movement to a rear nissin, possibly single piston,caliper away from the brembo unit on my 2022 McQueen/XE model, a newer far uglier/less premium tail light and indicators and still we retain the crappy Metzler Tourance's. There appear to be some small positives - my bike's switich backlighting, though not something I ever gave a shit about, was very dim, so a move to brighter/red would be welcome. The pairing of the front brake lines over the lower mudguard is far more sensible/inline with other modern ADV bike to reduce total fluid volume/line flex and risk of damage in scrub All in all a pretty dissapointing result given they'd already dropped standard fitted heated grips from MY19 to MY21 generations of the bike and, pending the new suspension actually be test by someone that has a clue and reporting otherwise, we seem to be going backward again. Price is still higher than what I paid for my 1200 McQueen in Australia in 2021 too (including all the fitted extras it came with) LOL.
@@Pinewatch, fair, I'd definitely prefer the front brake line routining than that of my bike (mcqueen/XE 21 model) and the backlighting on my switches, not that I could care any less, would be much better if brighter and red. This model's brake light cheap out/downgrade, drop from 47mm to 45mm diameter (independant of valving) is not a good sign though, nor is the rear drop to a nissin caliper and frankly the throttle body move sounds like they're dropping cost further and limiting peak output ability (with a tune) of the bike also for more favourable low rpm torque, where the bike doesn't need any more torque anyway and has throttle body closure in stock tune on prior gen bikes (i.e. plenty more room for power with a tune on the prior gen. if you're a competent enduro/adv rider you're gonna end up getting the ohlins/showa's revalved anyway as they're TRASH even with correct sag in stock form but at least the front isn't 2mm smaller and less rigid by default on a 230kg bike lol... good move Triumph, in no world is that part of the story anything but a downgrade when Marzocchi have a 50mm fork in their range.. Best of luck, I still love my bike, be sure to throw those stock metzler tyres as far as you can as soon as you can after picking the bike up, I'm not one to care about tyres normally but my god are they particularly shit everywhere other than perfectly smooth tarmac at commuting speeds.
@@HoagesMotothat’s harsh i’d say but probably true, can’t comment on that cause i don’t own one. Thinking of getting Scrambler 1200, not a huge fan off-roading but I like the sitting position and the sound with a nice pipe, tested the R NineT Urban GS and fell in love with handling and simplicity. London is a harsh environment and insurance is mental with prices for the beemer if not kept in a garage and have 31 security chains and 24 disc locks on it 24/7 😅
Not many bike manufacturers sell a downgrade of components (suspension, brakes) with that much enthusiasm. But finally they eliminated that ridiculous keyless system. So all in all salute to the sales department of Triumph.
From what I can see, the XE still has Brembos. Also, how do you know the Marzocchis will be a downgrade? As for the “Ohlins” they weren’t truly Ohlins. They were non rebuildable, and non tunable - specced by Triumph, and essentially a sealed can.
Even with the suspension change it is nice to see a price drop. Instead of this bike work it's way to a 20 thousand price tag. Much like the Africa twin has done.
Incorrect regarding the non-rebuildable comments mate, I own a 1200McQueen (XE) and no idea where you're getting that opinion from it's complete nonsense - any competent suspension shop will have the front and rear ends revalved and modified to overcome the flaws on the stock setup without issue or significant cost.
I'd caution in saying the rear shocks are a downgrade without riding the bike: as an actual owner of the prior gen, I assure you the stock valving in the fork and rear shocks some of the worst I've ridden so if a compromise on brand name results in Triumph taking some time to rectify their very poor valving they have on the prior model, it would be a good value 'downgrade' for the end user that doesn't want to blow another $1k on valving when they pick their bike up (if the actually intend to ride it on dirt). I do agree the drop from a rear brembo to nissin, drop in fork diameter from 47mm showas to a 45mm marzocchi, ugly and cheap downgrade in tailight and indictors and some other details I'm noticing on this bike is not a good sign though... Bit of a worry from Triumph, you'd wanna hope they've spent their savings on R&D of actual suspension valving and tuning otherwise this bike is a complete rip-off in Australia, I paid the same for my optioned out 1200 McQueen in 2021 with some accessories.... Awkward most of the comments so far have already seen through at least some of the brand's BS in a 10minute video....
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So let me get this right, the upgrades include no longer getting heated grips as standard. Oh, wait, you can still have them but they'll cost an extra £300 fitted. Triumph are the masters of con.
Still an amazing motorcycle. I'm pretty close to getting one, but it looks like I'll be looking for a used one since Triumph seems to only want to offer a couple colors for the XE. Since it's only the tank that has different colors, I wish they would have kept the original colors as well to choose from. Kind of a shame because I would have bought a new one. I'll either get the green or blue one used.
