Scrolls discovered in Vesuvius ash reveal Plato’s burial place and final hours | BBC News

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The unknown story of Greek philosopher Plato’s death may have been unveiled from a newly deciphered ancient scroll, according to Italian researchers.
The Herculaneum papyrus scrolls were charred after being buried under layers of volcanic ash following the eruption of Mount Vesuvius.
The volcano erupted in 79 AD, killing thousands and destroying Roman settlements near modern-day Naples.
The scrolls continue to be examined by experts using artificial intelligence.

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@00bikeboy 19 дней назад

Applying the word "mansplaining" to a man and culture that predates the term by over 2300 years is stupid enough. But actually misusing the term (he was criticizing, not mansplaining) demonstrates abject ignorance.

@fearlesspigs883 19 дней назад

Historical revisionism is all I have to say.

@freedombro6502 19 дней назад

The report was fine until he said that bit .

@00bikeboy 18 дней назад

@@freedombro6502 Agreed

@oneblueorange 18 дней назад

Well said.....what a silly little BBC twit.

@wordscapes5690 18 дней назад

Stop being so woke. 😂

@Cannedbeef 19 дней назад

Mansplaining what? Plato was expressing his opinion

@nriab23 19 дней назад

Men aren't allowed to have them today, woke teenagers and young adults might cry

@celestialhylos7028 19 дней назад

In the past, ''Women shalt not speak'' Now, ''Men shalt not speak''

@TheComputerCowboy 19 дней назад

@@celestialhylos7028#progress?

@wordscapes5690 18 дней назад

Super woke comment 😂 Stop being so sensitive. Good grief!

@benaffleckisanokayactor 17 дней назад

He was clearly joking

@rebekahproffer9875 19 дней назад

"You suck," Plato said - then he croaked. Everyone's a critic.

@stuartwray6175 18 дней назад

eh? - He said "you suck" then he croaked. You're saying everyone's a critic?

@timetochronicle 16 дней назад

To be fair, if anyone should be a critic its Plato. All of Western philosophy owes to Plato in some shape and form

@vitaqwe 18 дней назад

The closing comment left me speechless 🙈

@Aeonshield 19 дней назад

Of all things to survive. Just wow.

@FrancoisTHX 19 дней назад

"Mansplaining" ? That comment was utterly stupid.

@charliecook-pt6gu 19 дней назад

society is utterly stupid he is just a conditioned product of it.

@shane1039 19 дней назад

It's BBC what do you expect?

@apollosungod2819 19 дней назад

Says the corn gallery.

@obsidianjane4413 19 дней назад

Triggered? But yeah. Not really the correct usage of the term.

@smallies7154 19 дней назад

Another male feminist 🤡

@mikdan8813 19 дней назад

Yo beat wack. (Dies) - Plato

@elijah420stuffs2 18 дней назад

Hahahahah

@nriab23 19 дней назад

Mansplaning? Plato simply said he didn't like the music because of its lack of rhythm? So, is men disliking any female music a crime now according to the BBC?

@simonsimon325 19 дней назад

It was a wry comment jees have a day off.

@obsidianjane4413 19 дней назад

@@simonsimon325 It was inappropriate and a stupid thing to say.

@underarmbowlingincidentof1981 18 дней назад

"a crime" since when is mansplaining a crime for you? lmao

@benaffleckisanokayactor 17 дней назад

He was joking, calm the duck down

@perezfranco 19 дней назад

What a stupid way to close this segment.

@markeddowes1467 19 дней назад

What flute was the Thracian slave girl playing ?…. Saucy old Plato !…that’s what probably killed him 😂😂

@PurpleChamelion-iy2xe 19 дней назад

😂😂😂

@benbarberian1701 18 дней назад

Genius, you made my day

@faithlesshound5621 6 дней назад

Plato played for the other team, so if anyone was playing HIS flute it would have been a slave boy.

@Deletedvirus404 5 часов назад

@@faithlesshound5621 Wrong. He criticized homosexuality

@plurplursen7172 18 дней назад

Incredible! The great Plato was seconds away from death, and about to give the world his last word - the culmination and conclusion of his lifework, and then she played like a drunk bird?! It's pretty amazing they could pull this knowledge out, and add it to History!

@B1u3Boy 18 дней назад

Duuuddde… Thank you BBC for sharing this.

@Pou1gie1 19 дней назад

The show 60 Minutes did a segment on how a US scientist actually developed the technology and methodology to read the burnt scrolls but that the Italian scientists were trying to take credit for the discovery.

@nni9310 13 дней назад

I don't think he was.

@finauaulelemasirewananovo4518 16 дней назад

Thank you for sharing.

@aliceberethart 19 дней назад

This is absolutely within the top 10 most astonishing news ever for me.

@CuriousCattery 18 дней назад

Sure if you actually believe that they were able to place tiny bits of ash in exactly the right order.. that's like doing a billion piece puzzle.

@ABC1701A 17 дней назад

@@CuriousCattery Maybe read up - or watch a video, plenty out there - on what they are actually doing instead of making insane - and frankly nonsensical - statements.

@genoric4094 16 дней назад

@@CuriousCattery”it doesn’t make sense to me when I rephrase it in an intentionally trivialized way therefore it can’t be true!!!” sounding ass

@auro1986 18 дней назад

bbc, artificial intelligence analyzed internet and maybe now it's displaying creative nonsensical results about plato

@PatricioMarino 17 дней назад

The caster ia mocking Plato's last words, while missusing basic slang. Poetry.

@gammamaster1894 18 дней назад

Disappointing closing comment. Still remarkable discovery, I hope they don’t go trying to dig him up or anything though.

@blurgle9185 18 дней назад

I can't be the only one thinking flute is innuendo

@Jordan-rb28 18 дней назад

I definitely would never have thought of that so that's strange that you did, but kind of funny the more I think about what all they said

@danielgadomski5129 13 дней назад

In contrary to all the "culture warriors" in the comments I would just like to say - what a discovery! I can't wait to see if the revelations about Plato's resting place are real, and what else the Herculaneum scrolls hold. I heard the scientist are working on the method to automate the scanning and reading of the scrolls. Can't wait! 🤞

@Kai-kl6fe 19 дней назад

You couldn't resist putting at least a little bit of wokeness there at the end with the mansplaining bit now did you?

@Statsy10 19 дней назад

It was a joke, relax.

@reinforced9084 19 дней назад

lmao ur such a snowflake

@AagnosticAtheist49 19 дней назад

Imagine being this triggered by nothing

@TC8787-yq7og 19 дней назад

The left are snowflakes but little words send the right into total fury 🤣

@freedombro6502 19 дней назад

@Statsy10 a joke for people who believe in such non sense as "mansplaining"

@cheetifamily 18 дней назад

Hi Hoomans it's me Cheeti with my two new born baby kittens and we want some love and support from you all 💋💕

@jeff__w 18 дней назад

This effort, led by Graziano Ranocchia, Professor of Papyrology, University of Pisa, is entirely separate and independent from that of the Vesuvius Challenge, spearheaded by Brent Seales, professor of computer science at the University of Kentucky, and uses a different technology.

@ABC1701A 17 дней назад

Didn't even know the US were doing anything - not surprised but just didn't know - while the work done in Italy on this has been in the news for years both explaining the problems and the issues they face as well as how they are working to find ways around these.

@jeff__w 17 дней назад

@@ABC1701A Check out various articles from February about the awarding of the $700K Vesuvius Challenge grand prize (and prior to that) for more details regarding the US effort.

@jeff__w 17 дней назад

@@ABC1701A See articles from this past February regarding the awarding of the $700K Vesuvius Challenge Grand Prize for more detail on the US effort.

@jeff__w 17 дней назад

@@ABC1701A Yes, it was a big deal back in February when the Vesuvius Challenge awarded its grand prize ($700K) to a team of three students who studied (or had studied) in Zurich, Berlin, and Lincoln, Nebraska.

@nni9310 13 дней назад

How do you know this? I had heard of the US professor, but unaware of Graziano Ranocchia.

@ius1141 18 дней назад

Socrates was both a solider and statesman he could do diplomacy he was old but still able to fight

@Philognosis1 15 дней назад

When was this scroll written? If during the life of Caesars father-in-law, then it’s way, way too late after Plato died to be of any concrete evidence about anything.

@Centurion464 9 дней назад

It could be a copy of a copy of a copy. Remember that the printing process wasn’t around until the XV century. Copying was how information was passed on.

@elijah420stuffs2 18 дней назад

Me as an Italian hearing his pronunciation of Ranocchia 😢🤌🏻🙉

@nni9310 13 дней назад

Yes, I was surprised when he pronounced 'Graziano' correctly and then he pronounced 'Ranocchia' incorrectly, conforming to my expectations.

@ius1141 18 дней назад

Socrates actually did not drink hemlock he got on a ship with Xenophon and died later during that conflict in Persia he never died in prison they literally opened the jail cell for him Socrates became a mercenary military commander and he was killed during diplomacy when the commanders were ambushed in the tent

@barrymoore4470 17 дней назад

@@anahata2009 So is truth. That post is a farrago of falsehoods. Perhaps they thought they were being funny.

@roberttalada5196 19 дней назад

Oh lord, it was just comedic commentary. If you read Plato, you’d probably be interested in knowing Plato loved comedy and deep cuts. Lol

@curiositycloset2359 19 дней назад

Hey, some actual news

@bulbousblues1 19 дней назад

How dare you assume Platos gender... Nonbinarysplaining... I thank you.

@MsSparklingSunbeam 19 дней назад

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

@NOT.MI5.MI6. 19 дней назад

on bot your usless

@obsidianjane4413 19 дней назад

Fail.

@lexruptor 18 дней назад

Genuinely hilarious

@NOT.MI5.MI6. 18 дней назад

Putlerbots are so predictable it's literally like reading Kremlin toilet roll

@AlexRamirez-dh3ot 19 дней назад

With all do respect I don’t understand nothing he said

@pokuzhermes4566 19 дней назад

❤🎉

@XAirForce 16 дней назад

I am specifically looking for text about mass manipulation being passed around amongst the elite. I think this has been taught and been done over a very long time and I would like the archaeologist to try to find that information and hand it over to the world

@handle11141 19 дней назад

I shall make pilgrimage

@JasonPutschker-xw9uf 17 дней назад

The issue is how do we know the computer didnt just make up what it thought fit best which is basically a computer making up a story thats believable for modern understanding even though we barely understand ancient times.....i think its horribly misleading with AI.

@youarewhatyouare 19 дней назад

We were always taught at hartcliffe school plato was next to disho and cuppo

@ius1141 18 дней назад

what about Aristotle he says Plato you think you know everything

@jordanlmcgrath8815 19 дней назад

What an extraordinary discovery the mansplaining comment was completely unjustifiable. saying “ she didn’t have enough rhythm in her flute playing” is not a comment on her gender but an opinion on musicality. Woke taking minor things to an extreme when there are actual misogyny in the world that needs attention.

@paololuckyluke2854 19 дней назад

Message to the BBC: the comment by @markeddoowes1467 is genuinely funny. It is sad a main media corporation of central importance to British society and culture is so retentive as no longer to dare let its hair down and make real jokes like that. Political correctness is dire and humourless. But that is not to diminish recognition and appreciation for the great service the BBC does keeping us informed.

@Syllogyzym 12 дней назад

Lol, big Plato move if I ever heard one.

@ius1141 18 дней назад

Socrates says you know Plato why did you write an apology for me when I was let out of prison and went with Xenophon to Persia

@celestialhylos7028 19 дней назад

Don't be so mad over the ''Masplaining'' comment, brothers. If we get easily offended by every trivial word, they will do the same

@curiositycloset2359 19 дней назад

They already get offended over everything. Its the sullying of his name with such brainlessness

@skycloud4802 19 дней назад

They already do. That's why they banned the words bossy and S shaming.

@Samuel42069 18 дней назад

what? how does that work

@wordscapes5690 18 дней назад

These clickbait titles are never what you assume.

@phyutungjoe8219 19 дней назад

😱😱😱😱😱

@CrabFiles День назад

So Plato that lived 2300 years ago lived longer than the Average American...

@edutainme7265 19 дней назад

Counting down the days until AI tells us the cause of nearly all problems begins with religion.

@obsidianjane4413 19 дней назад

Generally... yeah.

@michaelkukula5926 19 дней назад

Poor Brent Seales. Grazialo stole his idea.

@Observerd.s 19 дней назад

Hallo

@jamiefoyers2800 18 дней назад

If any other scrolls get the AI treatment...I wonder what forbidden goodies might be out there...I wish Plato had left behind all his knowledge of the Atlantis story...there's more to that I think than he let on...

@smallies7154 19 дней назад

"bury me in Atlantis"

@PkTwothousand 18 дней назад

More like ancient “trolls”….am I right folks

@ius1141 18 дней назад

Socrates he went too far with his trust for people because he underestimated Persia then Xenophon had to become a commander they were experienced in war because of the Peloponnesian war

@JMPGX 19 дней назад

@downbythelakehouse9120 17 дней назад

Making a joke about slavery ? 😾

@paololuckyluke2854 19 дней назад

Wokery is so engrained in the BBC mind that it even warps areas of unrelated discourse, including attempted humour.

@lexruptor 18 дней назад

Find a better word, nothing about this is woke as per the actual definition of woke. What you mean is stupidity.

@sa.377 19 дней назад

Oh, come on BBC! We all know that Plato was Turkish and that he's buried in Istanbul under a pot of Baklava!

@FlushGorgon 18 дней назад

How about less virtue-signaling sexism and more effort on the topic ?

@j.macmillan2293 19 дней назад

79 CE (AD is old fashioned and out of date)

@maxhardy7394 19 дней назад

ironic

@markphc99 19 дней назад

It's their calendar , and a good one , i say keep it , we'll be changing the names of the months and days of the week too?

@anonymousscience4095 19 дней назад

@@markphc99 Since October means "eighth month", and its the tenth month, that is probably a plan (September - 7th month, November - 9th month, & December - 10th month). And the days of the week are named after two celestial bodies, four Norse gods and one Greek god, which has no consistency. AD is Latin, while BC is English, so no consistency in that naming at all.

@celestialhylos7028 19 дней назад

Bro gotta gaslight

@semperclassic 19 дней назад

CE stands for “Common Era”, which means nothing. AD stands for Anno Domini “Year of the Lord”) and is a stark reminder of the central place of Jesus Christ in history. That’s the real reason for the attempted change. BC and AD make more sense and were not out of fashion for 2000 years. There is no reason to discard them… unless you want to erase Christianity from history.

@weeroger7048 19 дней назад

Bit like egypt when they say "they didnt even have the wheel" as if the person saying it is smarter than the egyptions If the woke charectors where living in them times ..they wouldnt have invented the wheel ..thats a certainty

@Pharaoh-2001 19 дней назад

BBC was one important news per day, Now it’s every hour, eventually they will run out of stories and start taking about the 35 year old teenager like sky 😆 😂 😆

@julianaylor4351 18 дней назад

This is an important historical discovery and all some of the commenters here, can do is moan about the presentation of the report. 🤦

@Jordan-rb28 18 дней назад

It's not just about this 'report,' we're all sick and tired of big corporate companies and their journalism culture. We're airing our frustrations about how they handle such important topics like 12 year-olds.

@julianaylor4351 17 дней назад

@@Jordan-rb28 If you don't like real journalism then go live in the echo chamber of conspiracy theorists online. Just don't come here to troll the BBC one of the first news services created in the world.

@Deletedvirus404 5 часов назад

@@julianaylor4351 You're not real

@jackjhmc820 19 дней назад

What happens to the slave girl when the master dies? If Plato was as virtuous as Socrates, most close to him would probably be in tears and emotionally distressed just like Socrate in the final hour. An emotionally distressed slave girl playing badly got scolded as a joke to divert attention?

@barrymoore4470 17 дней назад

No one in that place and time was likely to care about a slave's feelings, apart from the slaves themselves.

@conradcodfish8638 18 дней назад

BBC News: Plato mansplained. Plato: BBC Noncesplained.

@basicinfo8786 19 дней назад

Socrates Plato Aristotle Great Alexander Jesus christ is what greeks gave to the world

@quito787 19 дней назад

That mansplaining comment is so stupid. It could have been a male slave playing and Plato would still would have been critical.

@chryoung-db2iw 19 дней назад

doesn’t surprise me anymore with the scum at the bbc they have to use woke propaganda for anything

@Allegra.Riggio 19 дней назад

My writer friends who have used AI all say the "tool" makes sh¡+ up, so unless these people actually find Plato's burial place, I don't buy it

@naimboyboboev8063 18 дней назад

He is the founder of the idea.

@marcinhibner9507 18 дней назад

Stirred up, that is all to really get to know ain't it humans. Hehehe

@logicalmusicman5081 19 дней назад

Tombs of many famous people found and yet no Christ, the proclaimed most important of all is still a mystery. Almost like not real. Interesting >sarcasm

@EdemJansen 19 дней назад

Hmmm, unless he's not in any tomb ;)

@logicalmusicman5081 18 дней назад

@@EdemJansen right. Magic.

@Samuel42069 18 дней назад

víte o tom že vám ten algorytmus ktery nazýváte špatně "ai" vygeneruje i verzi pohádky o červené karkulce kterou udajně napsal Plato? Taky to potom hodíte do zpráv tupci?

@Deletedvirus404 5 часов назад

mansplaining as a term was made seriously and intended to demonize men for opening their mouths using it as a joke here just seems out of place and forced just seems like he shoehorned it in there not out of virtue of giving a laugh but to give woke perspective. cringeworthy nonetheless.

@missyq5434 19 дней назад

Plato….went to Egypt, AFRICA to learn most of everything he knew. Just like Aristotle and many more. There were many more advanced civilizations of Africa for thousands and millions of years old..according to fossil findings

@WalterRapetti 19 дней назад

"Thousands and milions" 😂😂😂

@tomsmith4542 19 дней назад

u r dumber than a rock

@Deletedvirus404 5 часов назад

Pharaonic blood was northern. Ramesses' hair was red.

@michaelpaterson732 19 дней назад

Well done for indirectly apologizing for one the greatest philosophers of all time like it was his place do to so. (There were also male slaves, no?) Also, bonus points for mispronouncing the professor's name. (Fool).