My grandfather was not afraid of surgeries and whatever cutting, stitching and such was involved. Preferring to be awake for anything.. though naturally that would not have been wise. No.. my grandfather was petrified of being forced asleep.. because one time during a surgery his heart stopped before they could even start cutting. He was extremely afraid of the risk of death and the falling asleep part was to him reminiscent of the cold hand of death slowly gripping him.
If I am required to go under surgery I'm going to let the man or woman with 10+ years of studying and practice decide what is the safest and best medical procedure.
Same here. However, there are millions of people who think they know better than trained professionals because they read an article on-line. That patient's demand is by no means something that doesn't happen. People are THAT problematic. and self-centered.
Yoga, meditation, running, hobbies, music etc also helps for weight loss, depression, mood, etc . Scrubs and carla can try each of them. Who knows they might be successful 🤣
@@we_played_Hob_Gobbies_together I'm a touch sensitive Autistic woman with a resistance to painkillers. I am extrapolating from my own experience. Those are legit strategies that work for unavoidable pain you have to get through somehow. There are known case studies of this in the medical record I could cite as well, including two I know of where the surgeon operated on him/herself, and obviously plenty of women have done unmedicated home births or c sections where the epidural failed, which aren't THAT different.
@@sophiaschier-hanson4163 could work on ya. But then again if some perfectly healthy patient who simply wants hypnotism because she pulled up "facts" from the net needs to stfu.
Danny max well there can be a lot of bleeding during surgery and an anesthesiologist is tasked with giving IV fluids and blood to the patient and maintaining their blood pressure. Also, they give drugs which paralyse the muscles so that the patient stops breathing and a machine can ventilate them (or they can manually ventilate them), and those drugs which also relax muscles make it easier for surgeons to operate bc the patient’s muscles aren’t as tense. There can be no surgery without anaesthesiology.
I've had multiple eye surgeries and one back surgery. Yah, I'm extremely thankful for all the hospital professionals for doing excellent work including the nurses, ordelies, doctors, surgeons and Anesthesiologists.
You totally COULD publish a Case Report on this surgery. The hypnosis working until halfway through is FAR more interesting than it just not working. Many published Case Reports are basically "heh, this is weird, anyone else seen this? I wonder what happened here..." (an illness I had was published as a case report once, it was neat)
@@StriKe_jk there's actually a really interesting body of research about medical application of hypnosis, including potential applications for pain (short version: hypnosis doesn't fix things on its own, but it can make normal medical practices measurably more effective). Time Magazine did a good summary of all this in 2018
@@pavarottiaardvark3431 Just like energetic rocks, just like resonating frequencies, just like drinking piss, it is all fake science for stupid people who want to believe in magic.
@@StriKe_jk oh for sure. during my appendectomy they initially used local anesthesia, like that super painful injection in the lower spine, so you cant feel your lover abdomen and legs. and i fucking felt the first cut real good. Had to go with general anesthesia then.
Not one of Carla's best episodes (what sane nurse would advocate this lunacy?) but definitely one of Kelso's. I love how tickled he is by 'Sacred Fart'.
yeah but the worst Carla-moment is when she wants to kick out JD out of his own (rented) home...she succeeds by manipulating Turk in her favour, and JD ends up living a tent but why Carla wanted to kick out JD? Wants to start a family/More Privacy now that she is married Why Carla didn't go living back in her mom's house? Unexplained(Her mom died, so either the house was put on auction or it's free to move in) Why Carla didn't decide to leave with Turk? Unexplained Basically the only logic(although mean/awful) reason for Carla to kick out JD is because she is too lazy to invest time into looking for a better place for her and Turk(but considering that they're two of them, it would have been easier to look for a place...while JD is alone and doesn't get any help) Also...to add insult(or salt, you decide the "spice" XD) to the injury: Once JD started to live in a tent, Turk, JD and Elliot got whiny over JD being needy... Guys! The three of you put him in that miserable situation and you've the nerve to complain about it?! Seriously with friends like these who needs enemies...
I generally don't like Carla. She's somewhat compassionate, but generally cares more about being right. At least Dr Cox is honest about it and works hard to actually be right, and the one time he makes a mistake, it crushes him
@@Rubyofthedead lucky! In the UK you just have to suck it up while they use you like a pin cushion finding a vein that works (they tried top of my left hand, near the saddle joint of my left hand, saddle joint area of my right hand, then top of my right hand that finally worked - I have shitty veins in my hands apparently)
Wait so you're telling me I can't accumulate 12 years of knowledge on an extremely complicated profession through a quick Google search. It's weird how that works
To be fair, in all those years, a doctor learns little to nothing about hypnosis. So they WERE of kind of equal knowledge about the subject matter. The patient was still wrong, of course. Don't let anyone cut you open while you're essentially just taking a nap.
Yeah I know Karla was totally bat shit and saying this episode, she enables a lot of ridiculous things and some of these episodes under the yoke of“ being open minded“
@@capterson4 Dr Cox was a better Chief of Medicine in literally every single way. Dr. Cox still did rounds and still cared for patients as Chief even when he had a hospital to run. Dr. Kelso literally slept in his office, tried to do as little as he was obligated, and only viewed patients as walking bags of money. He didn't show any remorse for patients without insurance, except for that one lady he used to have lunch with in the park.
@@theintunityWhile true Dr. Cox was chief for roughly a year while Dr. Cox had been at it for 20+ years which is more than enough time for the job to change you drastically
What's funny is later when he decides to do the procedure using hypnosis, she gets upset with him because it could negatively effect his career. Lol. She was the worst.
I hate when people use that logic of "you have to trust/believe me" when it's not about not lying but about competence. Like, I wouldn't trust my best friend to perform surgery on me but trust a professional who's a complete stranger
Sure hypnosis may be a powerful tool, but none of the "qualities" Carla described involve sticking a knife in a patient and slicing them open. I can't even imagine what that would be like in real life
Carla's such a control freak in this one lol. That's what makes it hilarious but damn woman, he said he didn't want to do it! "START BELIEVING WHAT I TELL YOU TO BELIEVE" killed me
I was so glad they didn't go the route of "hypnosis works" in this show because hypnosis is bullshit, good for relaxation and mediation maybe but not for much else
Have you even seen the clip? They took the route hypnosis works but that it's not as reliable as modern medicine. Also hypnosis works for real but not in the way movies show it. It's more than a lead meditation/wake dream. Sorry for my bad English
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@@gnomifaxpaw9689 It's your poor grasp of reality that's the problem.
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@Mr. Scoot Scooter Sleep heals the body, when your unconscious, sitting there like a sack of meat. It does a hell of a lot more than singing a happy song clap hands.
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@Mr. Scoot Scooter Magic's not real but delusion is all around.
@Mr. Scoot Scooter Placebo effect is about inducing a feeling. Lowering stress, very marginal pain relief... It works for less than half a population and doesn't last longer than 3 weeks. It has literally nothing to do with having you body physically healed, other than the positive effects of not being stressed. Because your body doesn't waste energy on being stressed.
You know I heard of people who thought Carla was the worst character; I never really believed but here I can see it. Sure hypnosis can supposedly do good things ( the placebo affect is a wonderful thing) but as Turk said his carer could have been seriously negatively effected and the patent could have died. But she seemed more concerned with her man taking her side and she never seemed to acknowledge she was wrong.
Actually hypnosis works by tricking you brain into inducing false pain when you do something i had a friend who wanted to quit smoking so he did hypnosis and the hypnotist asked “whats the most unpleasent thing you can think of” he said “dry heaving” so he got him to dry heave every time he craved a cigarette after a while he kicked the addiction however it was not pleasent being around him when he was in the transitioning phase
Hypnosis can actually do a lot of very helpful things. The big crux with hypnosis is that it requires compliance- it's a method of tricking your brain into doing things it already wants to do on some level. That obviously only goes so far as a replacement for anesthesia (and I doubt you could do even half a surgery with it), but it has been used to help people kick addictions. Carla's speaking the truth in this episode, even if I think her idea was kind of crazy. But, at the end of the day, it's what the patient wanted. Kelso was right to see that as an opportunity.
A lot of the comments don't get that Bill Lawrence has a fucked up view of marriage, and it shows in so much of his work. Remember the guy's married to Christa Miller, and look at the characters he makes her play.
"I'm about to ruin my career. . .but let's make this about you," would have been a better line. We always think everything is about us. The light changes to red when we are late and we really feel the light, the world, the devil or God has it in for us. Hilarious
If I were Turk, the only way I would even consider hypnosis is after consulting experts to check effectiveness, the patient would have to be restrained so she can't thrash around if she wakes up, and I would insist on traditional anesthesia be at the ready in case the hypnosis failed.
You forgot one very important thing, a consent form signed in the presence of a lawyer for each party after being advised of the risks of the procedure.
it still would not work. muscles have to relaxed during the surgery which only anestesiologist can accomplish with curara like substances. so hypnosis is alot of bullshit. as a doctor i would not operate on a patient that wants something like that. doctors have the right to decline some patients.
Guys I fucking love this show and ya need to chill out and not take it seriously. Turk loves Carla. Stop with the Carla hate. I liked her more than Elliot.
I'd love to know what happened once she was conscious. They surely can't just shove everything back in place or rush through the surgery, so did they have an anesthesiologist on standby to knock her out?
So she pressured him into almost ruining his career because of some pseudoscience she probably read from some random blog. Then I guarantee you when he lost his ability to practice medicine and had to take a low paying job, she would've still complained, and then left him. Carla is the one blemish on this nearly perfect show.
The show really went downhill starting season 4. It went from a good show about medicine with comedic addition to a dumb comedy with some rare medical moments. Season 1 Carla would never have suggested such a moronic method.
Considering Bob immediately went fully on board with it, if it had backfired publicly, it could have jeopardized Sacred Heart's reputation, affecting more than just Turk's career.
I don't think it would have been that serious because in the end he did nothing wrong. But he certainly would face a lot of issues because he did decide to go through with such a foolish idea.
There is a reason why hypnosis was replaced when chemicals came along-it actually kept the patients asleep. And as for hypnosis means less blood, anesthesia is an injection-there is no blood! You also can't get medically certified for hypnosis because it's just about never used in surgery, only for psychological cases that don't involve scalpels. Plus, have you ever seen hypnosis at a kid's party? Sometimes the participant snaps out of it on his own. Imagine that during a surgery.
Monty Python brought me here. I was just watching the sketch where a guy endlessly hears singing in his brain so he hires a psychiatrist who elects to slice him open with a bone saw. When they slice him open, they find he has three squatters living inside him and they wake up the patient so he’s conscious to file a restraining order against them so the doctor can remove them. The sketch reminded me of this clip so much I had to rewatch it.
I love this show to death, but it's on episodes like this that push an almost 'supernatural' or a super thematic storyline that it starts to lose the glue that keeps all the pieces together. The show does take a bunch of liberties with how reality is presented but it's almost always for the sake of comedy, usually an absurd slapstick scenario at JD's expense. The problem is that the core of the show, the relationship between the characters, is always incredibly realistic and perfectly believable; the characters are always true to each other and true to what their own beliefs are. When conflict arises between two characters, it always feels entirely natural because it stems from two opposing viewpoints that the characters embody and the show will then run through to the logical conclusion. The writers do a very good job of being invisible and letting the 'winner' of the conflict reach victory through means that are consistent with the rest of the show. The problem with episodes like this is that you can completely tell that the writers decided to back one character and introduce a topic that the writers have strong opinions about and then they use the characters and episode plot as a vehicle to deliver their perspective like a sermon. A character will suddenly be super vocal about a specific belief and, despite all odds, a scenario will arise that is custom tailored to prove them right; bonus points if the phrase 'Just take a leap of faith' is uttered. Another example of this bad writing is that Christmas special where Turk literally follows the star of Bethlehem to find the pregnant woman and happens to be just in time to deliver her baby. No one watched Scrubs for the overt Western Christian overtones or to learn about whatever topical psuedoscience is floating around, we all watched it because we wanted to see our favorite characters get into trouble and have their relationships develop a little bit more. This fundamental misunderstanding comes across to me as some bigwig guy putting a memo out that reads 'We need an episode about this subject that doesn't fit well with our show, but make it happen anways' that the writers had to figure out some way to shoehorn in, as opposed to a topic that the writers were personally invested in.
I understand Carla's reasoning. She wanted to help Turk stand out from other surgeons by doing something unconventional. However, this was a fucking stupid idea. She's smarter than this. Also, rather than being worried at Turk potentially losing his career she's more upset with being lied to. The freezing he did on a paralyzed patient was perfect. It was possible, it posed no real risks to the patient, and it made Turk stand out.
Well Turk was the one to tell Dr. Kelso that he would do this himself cause he was scared of not standing out so it's his fault too and just you know backing out after saying that would look bad for him Course the end result is treated as a joke, Dr. Kelso says he could "Publish a paper" on this......you know right after he would probably get sued and Carla is just like "Nah baby you did great"
I had a terrible reaction when i was put under when i was young for a tonsilectomy. Because of my pych issues i freaked out when i started dozing off. Still would have them use anesthesia, but that may just be the stories from my mom whose been an RN for 40 years telling me about the 10 of those spent in the OR.
I don't know if hypnosis is effective or not, but Carla trying to decide for Turk on such a sensitive matter seemed hilarious, stupid and irrational to me. Probably the first time I found Carla to be quite manipulative and bitchy and it annoyed the hell out of me. She doesn't have the qualifications to advise on a matter like this, so she tries to make it personal just to be in control of his husband, no wonder Turk loved JD more.
Remember she asked for it. Its not like you cannot say that Turk didn't object to it although a bit unprofessional with the bit about not wanting to sleep with wife and wanting to sleep with a celebrity. But, now the world has reconfirmed that there is a reason why hypnosis is taught in med school thanks to the surgery.
I want to know how they dealt with such a situation, by which I mean: As a doctor, what do you do when a patient you've just cut open begins screaming inconsolably?
It's weird to see Dr kelso defending doctor (he allways cared but knew he needed to be the bad guy) against Dr cox but allways likes the relationship between kelso and turkatlion
Bruh, this episode made me hate Carla. The only thing she cared about is her feelings instead of the patient's well-being. And when the surgery ultimately failed, she still acted like Turk "Did the right thing". The only reason Turk's career did not get ruined is because this is a fictional scenario.
Wouldn’t they need a very skilled hypnotist to facilitate a hypnoses?? Does her insurance cover that? I doubt it. I don’t think he can force her to take anesthesia, but she can’t force him to cut her open without some.
