I would eliminate the dances and add pushups, burpees, squats, handstand pushups and stuff like that. We don't necessarily need a gym or equipment...just a thought.
I wouldn't remove dances tbh, just add another part to the actions wheel. I play on RP servers mostly noe that im over 1500 hours and havent gotten bored of the pvp. If dances were taken out, one of the strength grind activities would be destroyed, as well as it would put a damper on some roleplay businesses. *wink wink* lol
There is already gym equipment.. been in the game since 0.1.. only problem is you can't use it and the mechs guarding the prison don't like you messing with the weights
I really wish we had weights, bench presses, aswell as exercises. Dancing affects your exercise, but would be nice if we had "pushup" animations etc, that would specifically increase strength etc. I play a skinny pete character, going from 1 to 5 alone is a great deal and the transformation is just as cool as it is when you get yourself buff irl.
@kevinpedersen5290 I recently started all 1 attributes character, and even after hours of gameplay, I still haven't broken very far unless you're going out of your way tonight. To specifically train those skills, it'll take forever to load them off a couple hundred hours easily.
@@itsmen6525 I think it looks different now in a good way. I still like the look of it, but you should be able to get a little bit more defined. I think.
As a croatian, I want to say my uncle and cousin made themselves a gym after the war. It was in the left side of the building which was just a concrete block with only one side inhabitable. The training devices were buckets filled with cement held by a sturdy branch in the middle. A shame we dont have that in scum because it would fit really well.
Of course, there should be gym equipment in the game! But why not implement Testosteronor other steroids, which can be find in Bunkers or at some other pois, similar to razor intelligence enhancer for example. It would be a realistic way to build up muscle and it could be implemented into the metabolism system.
@@palfy205 I was rethinking that again... Actually the amount of muscles your player can have at 8 strength comes pretty close to a non doped athlete. With doping he could look like a bodybuilder or strongman somewhere at 12-13 strength and that would be horrible, cause the avatars clothings would fit together anymore, everything would glitch into each other.
The feature wouldn't be realistic at that point with 8 strenght maximum and it probably would be impossible to dress and gear the avatar. This is too much work for the developers
I'm totally agree with adding bench press or getting some sort of exercise equipment. I been wanting those for years, but the dev seem to think it's fine not having one.
Great, very detailed video. I had my guy up to 7.8, then my long time server pulled the plug and now on a different server.. Sitting at 6.8 now. I was going to make a similar video once I hit 8.0 but you totally beat me to it...
Considering how valuable screwdrivers are, use a crowbar when you can so you have more to raid and unlock things that cannot be crowbarred. Unless you're playing on a higher loot server, than you probably find enough screwdrivers.
I use crowbars on uranium lockers, doesn’t effect the price of them too much and you can get a fair amount of them guaranteed if you’re prepared with toolboxes, no skill lock picking needed, every tool box is a locker so just load your bag with a few crowbars and tool boxes and you’re good
@Scarpwoodflatpipe keeping clothes wet is difficult in this game. Your way will definitely not support max strength gains. But you do thank you for the comment to boost the algorithm.
Many hours of wheelbarrowing. Or if you do it without a wheelbarrow, maybe 1000 hours. Takes a long time. I'd say close to 80 hours of AFK wheelbarrowing.
This brought my wife back to me before she took the kids. Thank you lord Palfificus. Edit; She left again with the kids :( (PS I don't blame Palfificus at all)
It is all very interesting, but it seems I missing the point of the gear weight. From my experience I just put logs in the wheel barrow making it 400kg and it gives me constant maximum gain of 0.03840... as I often don't have full wheel barrow (let's say I put some food in it or whatever) and it isn't exactly 400kg, sometimes my gain drops to something like 0.03766, maybe as low as 0.03700, but in principle it remains 95%+ all the time. As such - why do I care about gear?! My base is hot zone, so I just take off all items that add heat and wheel barrow all day long... I kind of get bored of it quickly so over last 12 month I have only increased strength from 1 to 5.6. Mainly because I only needed 3 strength for max stats on archery, pistol and rifle, 4 and 5 are nice boost to overall performance, but after that it is kind of pointless, I am pick locking the locks anyway, I think also using crossbow uses less stamina with higher strength, but compared between 5.6 I have now and 8.0 on my SP account there is negligible difference. 3 Strength is enough to use crossbow already. So yes - am I missing something as to why loading your gear to the max is important? Also bicycle was nerfed, now you stop cycling when you run out of stamina and you run out of stamina half way trough the smallest hill. So that is out of question. Also also - what I eat is usually raw meat, don't even need to cook it, eat raw, drink some beer to kill food repulsion (+bonus alcohol to protect carbs) and repeat. To gain carbs - raisins, oats or cereal, I also often just eat fruits and vegetables as they give hydration, finally - if I ever build too much fat compared to protein, then canned tuna is there to balance it out. Also also also - milk is nice to drink as it gives protein, but otherwise beer. Caramel soda also alright if you lacking both hydration and carbs. Also also also also - don't forget to eat or drink coffee. All in all, I never buy ANYTHING for strength training - most of food I just find randomly when playing, killing bear gives like 30 pieces of bear meat and it last long time in the fridge, sadly most of the time I can only fine boars, wolves or chicken, but in principle - I fill the full fridge of meat and then go for wheel barrowing day. Canned tuna can be bought, but you may also go to fish factory and last time I collected something like 50 cans of tuna. I am sure buying tuna salad MRE is fine if you want to pay for food, but I don't like MRE, because it gives too much fat, which you have to balance out then. This is on official hardcore settings.
I understand your point about gear weight, but it’s important to note that as your strength level increases, the weight requirement to maximize gains will also increase significantly. Simply using the maximum weight in the wheelbarrow won't be enough as you progress. The benefits of increasing strength are substantial and impact various aspects such as gear weight, swim weight, crowbarring speed, melee damage, recoil, and more. Therefore, saying the difference between 5 and 8 strength is negligible is technically true since most of the stats are only boosted by 25%, but still, it's enough to make a difference. The biggest difference is crowbarring speed, which can become nearly instantaneous and has a severe impact. When wheelbarrowing, your strength-based activity will dip below 100% because the surface you're pushing your wheelbarrow on makes a difference to the performance impact it provides. For some reason, on flat ground, even though a wheelbarrow should be level, it provides dips in weight and fluctuates, which causes your strength to also vary in the gains you receive. I can't force it to happen but it does happen quite frequently. Regarding your food and diet preferences, they are indeed valid, and if it works for you, that’s great. However, keep in mind that while all liquids can help with food repulsion, the digestion time of these liquids can lead to a calorie deficit if you’re burning max calories. Eventually, you may need to slow down or stop. My method has proven effective for me, but I appreciate that different strategies work for different players.
@@palfy205 Thanks, I think I agreed on everything, just didn't realise I will need more weight the higher is strength. Well, I knew that the more strength one has, the slower it increases, just didn't realise that 400kg is not enough in the end. As mine is only 5.6 at the moment that wasn't an issue yet, but that is something I will have to consider going forward. Regarding 8 strength being pointless/negligible... I know the benefits of it, my point is rather that it is nice to have, not must have. Because on my current char I started with 1 STR and there are hard lock for skills under 3 STR, so 3 is basically a must, 3-5 - makes difference in most places, from health/hit points, basically playing with less than 5 possible, but kind of choir, 5-8 is more "nice to have", as you said 25% increase never hurt anybody, but in sort of day to day play is not massively important, be it pvp, pve, looting etc. Sure you can carry more weight and maybe little bit further, so it is nice, but getting car usually takes no more than a week for me and even with 3 or 5 STR I can carry items to the car. regarding diet - I guess you have more experience than me in this aspect, but I never got into calorie deficit, maybe I just haven't done it long enough, although at times I have left it running for like 12h. Food repulsion is not an issue at all, once you have 5 Constitution (maybe Strength plays role as well), I can eat whole piece 3/3 of rotten chicken without getting sick (not that I often eat rotten food, but I could if I needed), then I drink beer anyway for little bit of alcohol and hydration (more of role playing really chicken+beer, kind of makes me hungry IRL). But drinking is not even needed for repulsion, repulsion is long gone by the time food is digested. And if I eat red meet, I think I can eat like 8/10, maybe 9, so what I do - I eat 5/10, drink 2/5 beer, then eat another 5/10 and that is whole piece consumer without getting sick. Also for calorie deficit, if I ever close - then hard alcohol + raisins or even sugar. Unless you mean protein deficit - then yes I might need to wait like 5 min to get some protein digested, before resuming. But that only happen if I leave it for too long and forget to check the carbs, otherwise not really an issue.
The developers haven't mentioned any plans for mandatory character wipes when the game fully releases. While it's possible there might be periodic wipes, like every 6-12 months, there's also a chance you'll be able to keep your character indefinitely. Given their plans to add more skills that will take longer to max out, it seems unlikely they'd want to reset everyone's progress frequently.
@mariossiriopoulos5299 this is impacted by your skill in rifles as it clearly states in the tooltip. I did not notice any different from 5.0 - 8.0 strength having advanced riles. On both, but I did notice a HUGE difference in no skill rifles to advanced. Hope that answers your inquiry.
@@palfy205 honestly even project zomboid has a little menu for body weight exercises, i cant remember if i have mods for weight training or if that was in the game lol
Good video. Would have liked to heard a bit about the strength vs given skills like archery and melee weapons too. If you have a #100 bow how long can you hold it at full draw for various strengths etc.
Sorry, for some reason this comment was flagged and I couldn't read it. There are some great graphs to show the level of strength improvement with a bow/archery skill, though after 5.0 Strength not much of a difference is made for how long you can hold it at Advanced Archery, but good to think about for the next time, thanks for your comment. I did talk about it in this video, ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HNGmVxoz3J0.html Not really showing much statistics but mentioning the mi-nute differences it will be.
Funny you weights.. just went into the prison to the locker armory. And yes in the yard they have weights. Didn't try them tho. And im at 7 strength and yest it took months training non stop.. but I thinks 7 was enough for me😂
wouldn't this cause you to have a higher performance multiplier while carrying more stuff and therefore perform actions faster generally? (think of it as a penalty due to encumberance)
The gym started paying me to show up, kind of like advertising their business. Now I start my own gym, you can push my ripped ass around the map in a wheelbarrow. You'll get more ripped than me!
That method was discovered a while back, but I don't encourage using exploits in my videos. It's always best to play fair and enjoy the game as intended. Even though the strength system needs an update, I don't believe standing on a pumpkin is the answer.
I used to have a small base on the Island in the south. It was a PvE/PvP server where the Southern islands were all a PvE zone. I used to fill out my backpack with logs and strip down to light clothing. Shorts. Trainers. No top. When you start training down in the south, you'll realise just how hot it is down on those islands so wearing the minimal amount of clothing for decency was preferred. And I'd carry 2 x Tuna MRE's and a large bottle of water in a fanny pack. I'd then pick up a log and with my side arm and an AS Val as defence, I used to run a 5km route everyday the sun would come up. But I gave up when I'd only managed to gain about 0.2 in strength after two full weeks of SCUM.
That's great to hear you're taking a realistic approach! I definitely appreciate those who find alternative methods to leveling attributes instead of relying on AFK methods. Your dedication is impressive, but I agree-grinding strength like that can be exhausting. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Do you run your food / energy down below 30 and into the red or do you eat before you go below 30% ????? I don't know if I'm doing it right but my starting strength was 5 , then it dropped to 4,9 I started wheelbarrow and strength is 5,1,,, I've lost 1,4kg of fat and gained 0,6 kg of muscle, con started at one
I eat when my stomach can fit more food if I'm just leveling strength, I don't care about losing dexterity because it's easy enough to level on any other time playing SCUM.
I like your video, I knew all of that however I kept watching cos of your talking...straight, clear etc. :) I was leveling long time ago before 0.95 and on single I just put two M82 on my back adding ( when fully geared ) almost 30kg but dont even remember if that makes huge diffrence. I also eat prep meals which gives you more cals and drink energy booze. I was playing as well with sunset and sunrise wondering if it states that I'm gaining certain amount of skill per day will make any diffrence. You get my sub and please share if you play on any server actively, would love to say Hi in game ;) Peace and keep up the good work! Ps. Now you can boost your intel to 8.0 will help as well to gain skills quicker
Not sure if the numbers have been changed recently but to stop myself from getting overly bored back when I'd done strength training wheelbarrow (achieved 8 before hand abrasions came out), I'd shake it up with rowing a boat out on the water! Just head across Z sector ocean, rowing doesn't come without risk as the boat can still flip (again unless the mechanics/physics have also been changed since when I'd last done it) but it had only ever happened twice to me from all the rowing I used to do from Z trader.
Been on this trip. Yes I agree with you definitely not worth it. However, it's a fun thing to do at least once. After that, up to the players. For me, I think I will constantly min max my stats and skills. That's just the player I am. However, 8 STR with various adv+ skill comes in really really handy. The benefits are minimal, but despite that they do make a difference in PvP.
be nice if we could craft weights etc and the afk ways were removed, meaning, Stamina in needed to be replenished. on a two monitor set up, you could still do other things, just every 20 lifts or so , stamina is out and you wait, then need to press F again to resume (or Shift F as f might be used to exit )
There was a trailer for body simulation for the scum when it first came out the character was working out at the gym at the prison highly doubt the devs will bring any actual working gym equipment the game just seems to be losing old features and just left a broken mess ever since 0.8 game has just shit itself hopefully the game returns to how it use to be by 1.0
Scum has been evolving with each update, introducing new complexities and enjoyable features since 0.8. While some older content may have been removed, it's essential to view these changes as part of the game's growth. Moving forward sometimes involves a step or two backward, but maintaining a positive outlook is crucial. The developers are actively working on improvements, and features we love might reappear in innovative ways in the future. Game development often requires rewriting and refining, and player feedback plays a crucial role. Constructive criticism and thoughtful insights contribute to shaping the game based on what players want. So, let's stay positive and continue providing feedback to help the game reach its full potential!
@@palfy205 Have been playing this game since 0.5 it’s just hard to see a lot good features being removed let’s start with the old stuff first missing all rafts, rubber boats, sea planes, Harley bikes, sports bikes, suvs, quad bikes, hellrider vehicles, actual proper encounters with wolves, bears, rabbits, chickens, does, bucks, goats, donkeys, horses, boars etc and on top of that they introduced the new hunting system but then completely removed the old system so you can’t track animals that have spawned in on the map just removed the old feature completely why not combine the two systems. Plenty of more I can go on about just a long list of removed content.
Those cooked meals fill your stomach up a lot and will not provide you with 90 grams of protein for less than 50% stomach fullness. I wish cooking meals were better.
At what strength is the compound bow at max draw weight???? Is there any point going further up the strength of your already at max bow pull ??? Max bow weight????
Well, the max draw weight on a compound bow is #120 I noticed it at 7.0 Strength that it was able to be used and set to #120, my friend 6.2 str can only use a #100 so it's between 6.5 and 7.0 I would say. I'll let you know when I get a sure answer :)
@@palfy205as far as I understand it always necessary to trace state of water in body? Cause I left curcle moving my chararter for 20 minutes and its water was 0% and healthe 91% .... etc. How often to check? Or maybe I'm doing something wrong?
Great video, I got to 7.1 str in official, playing since .85 but i havent really afked that much since I got to 6, I eat the purple rice and absinthee, couple things I'd add would be to only put on weight till your performance score drops to 0%, then start removing weight until you hit sweet spot, so you dont waste calories, also for more weight m82 snipers or chainsaw on holstersonce you get to 6.0 you'll need it to get to 0% performance score. As for the calorie thing in the STR tooltip, I think it means that with more str the less carry weight affects your performance score which then affects your calorie burning. So a 1.0 str will burn more calories carrying 20kg than a 8 str carrying same weight. Cheers!
You're right, I totally forgot to talk about holstered weapons. In my first take on the video, I did mention this mainly speaking of improvised flamethrowers for a cheaper alternative than chainsaws and m82's, considering the weight of 17.6 kilos. Thanks for the reminder. As for calorie burning, it's entirely based on heart rate. I found pretty much regardless of the weigh, If you go into a negative amount of stamina and push yourself below, 25% performance score, calories burned up usually the same amount. But I didn't do any more testing since then.
@@palfy205 well yeah and the rate at which you lose stamina depends on the performance score which depends (among posture and other thing I don’t remember) on how much weight you got on you and how much you can carry, which depends on your str
My current character I dumped str instead of dex to max INT. I’m up to 2.8 but seem to have hit a wall. I have found that rowing increases it between .17 and .24 per day so I’ve started rowing more. But I don’t know if it’s helping con as well. Doesn’t seem like it. The issue is I’m capped for both archery and melee until I crack 3. Finally, I want to see if the female avatar gets as buff as the guy. No one does strength builds with the women. Why is that?
I had a female character before the male character was redone, but I could always pay the plastic surgeon money to see what the female looks like at 8.0 Strength if that's something you're interested in knowing. Also as for your Strength leveling, I'd suggest the wheelbarrow from time to time, just an hour or so before bed can help you get a lot higher strength if you're struggling.
How does 8 strength affect what you can carry while swimming? Being able to jump in the water without losing gear is a big factor for me with the hordes and also pvp
the current system kinda sucks for stat gain, its super gamey and cheesy, would love them to revisit the way you gain stats in a more comprehensive way.
Yes, introducing mini-games or interactive leveling methods can truly amplify the sense of survival and RPG elements. This game already boasts sufficient character progression to be considered a survival-RPG in my opinion. However, I want it to steer clear of excessively grindy and monotonous aspects that detract from the immersive experience. This level 8 Strength grind was one of those aspects.
i have an 1050 , 28 gb ram, i5 , and my game isnt running as good as i wanted..... i dont know if is becouse if my windows is bad configurated or if is my nvidia video, do you have anmy vido of optimization????? nice review by the way
Sadly, I don't, but I know the performance impact a good SSD can have on games. A few people that play on my server have a 1050 or 1060 sometimes your frames will drop low, I think it's time to look at upgrading a GPU if you want to keep up with high performance in games. I wish I had a better answer for you. Try to buy a good M.2 SSD, and you should see lots of improvements. Just make sure it's above 1TB and you install your OS on it and SCUM. Then go from there.
@@SaMuRaIC here is a good video on how to install it, but join my Discord: discord.gg/jHeTc6TTt6 and tell me your PC/Laptop and I can help you find one that will work for ya. Here is a video on the installation process, just so you know what to expect. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2UeWMgjwogU.html
Im at 5.2 now, and since I have gained str, blood volume, constitution and etc - whenever I get shot or hit I dont lose as much health as before, I sometimes even stay at 100% after a shot or hit. Ofc I love that I can run like crazy with the gear I have, giving me an edge over others in PVP.
Yeah, the constitution attribute does provide more health blood volume and so on. As for being hit and not losing any health most likely is because you were shot in the vest or just had a bullet graze. Higher strength allows a nice balance of running without being overburdened.
Well the "hit with no damage" is the result of the netcode not being good... I got that many many times, even with new character, and being naked and getting shot... So it's not a character thing, it's a "game/server - issue"
@@itsmen6525 maybe, maybe becouse of the armor. But still the constitution and blood volume are a good thing to have. I remember having to run for a while with full gear and full loot was a huge pain but now I can even alttab and let my dude jog for a few good minutes
can you let me know when do you use tuna mre? it does not pass quick enough and i remain without energy and a full intestine, what is the best way to eat them?
@@skowro8864 cheeseburger MRE gives you a lot more energy than tuna. I always lvl Str with cheeseburger MRE. The best food when not lvling is canned tuna mixed with oatmeal. And red meat
this is actually misinformation, I'm completing the brawling video now and the damage difference is very small from 6 strength onward and even below 5 strength, not much of a boost, keep an eye out of the video tomorrow.
I've covered it a few times in videos and streams, it changes on your playstyle, beginning 3/3/3/3 is good with adv melee adv running med stealth/thiev and med medical basic engineering/survival.
Now, this is entirely up to preferences, I have tested a multitude of differing stats and attributes. If you're planning to max everything and skills, then I would go 1.5 strength, 3 con 4.5 dex 3 intelligence, because strength skills are all very quick to level except melee damage which you can get medium with the points of 1.5 (though it will only show medium at 2.0). Then I would do advanced running, thievery, and medium-half stealth and advanced medical. But honestly, since the last update, hordes are so oblivious to noise and don't feel stealth is worth it. Advanced thievery does take time, so 3.0 dex is still good for that. Strength melee weapons advanced is handy at the start when you're out into a situation where melee is needed, I'd still stick with running Advanced as every action in the game gives endurance xp, and intelligence medical being advanced though it takes forever i don't feel it's worth it anymore. The reason is you don't find many bandages above 96%, causing you to need to use multiple bandages, so you might as well have lowered medical skills, though that's my opinion everyone else's choices will differ. Hope that helps a bit.
i made 2 characters with strength 8.0. to be honest i think when you go for 5.0-6.0 it should be enough, i did the strength to 8.0 because i wanted to see how big the char can get, it was very dissapointing that after 5.0 there was no more optical change. of course the weight was still increasing but nothing seeable. next thing, in fights against other people in death match events for example, after 5.0 its not like you hit somebody 2 times and he is ko, it feels the same like with 5.0, no more damage. for all the hours we have to invest to reach 8.0 it should be like that you are nearely unbeatable, but when somebody has 4-5.0 strength and is not that heavy like 90 kg for example - he will beat you in every boxing fight because he is so much faster you will not land much hits. so i would not do it again, first i did it with a black character, second time with a white after a whipe, in the time i did it, you could not save your char, i sweared to myself i will only do it again when i can save the char. for me its not really worth it. my chars had around 130-140 kg by the way, but they where not fat!!
Yeah as I was beginning to mention Brawling Damage is barely influenced by strength at all, currently working on a video for this, only Melee Weapons, which from 1.0 to 8.0 is only a 25-30% damage difference, not enough to warrant any kind of devoted leveling to gain the benefits. 7.2 if you want the most optimal crowbarring and manually opening doors at around 13.6s in abandoned bunkers, otherwise it's not worth it like you said.
