SCUM New Patch - Spawn System Fixed? 

without the ability to snipe puppets from 50-100m it really takes alot away

100% agree...please keep speaking out

I was hoping this update would have me coming back but it very much looks the same as before, especially in the bunkers... I miss the days where I would take note of where the puppets where as I passed through a area, and could then use them to locate or cause a trap against enemy players, the distance before they despawn is a step in the right direction though, it means u can to a certain range get a idea of where the puppets around u will be, and u could get them to spawn and then peel back to take them out at range now at least, the storage stuff is more of a expected addition, the puppets is a NEEDED fix

This was my fav game, but now its just unplayable, I hate what they've done. I, for one, will not be coming back.

For me. The biggest problem is puppets respawning in front of you and in rooms you just cleared. That completly rips the immersion and screws me over. Its unfair to have to contend with beepers spawning ontop of you. The boats and storage update is hype af.

I agree the spawning is still rubbish... i wont be returning yet!

Horde spawn system is here to stay? Well... I'm not. I guess my expectations for this update were too high...

Omg wardog this is nothing I have expected. Great great update! It's weird though that they are going for spawning puppets... It just doesn't makes sense from the survival perspective. You are right, people look for immersion.

Puppets definately need to spawn from farther out, 150m at least, need to seriously see how bunkers are behaving overall, a quick runin to see how close you need to get for spawn does highlight the issue with the way their encounter manager is setup. But if I can clear an area, and it not have any new spawns for 30 minutes or so, then it will at least feel a little better if not be entirely immersive. I think, we can ease up a bit on complaining about immersion if they can at least get this under control so things behave in a more beleiveable way, and then work back towards a more immersive state. I am starting to think they are still trying to really dial in the encounter manager and figure out how it behaves compared to how they thought it was going to behave. It's going to take a few more revisions to dial things in better, and I think exposing the encounter manager settings to admins is going to be the key to really getting it under control. Especially if with the standalone server software we get a proper admin panel, where we can customize encounters and tweak them for the experience we want to have on our servers.

I love the storage update. The improvement of the puppet spawns seems a little better, but only if they do not respawn right in front or behind you after clearing an area.

We appreciate the work you do. Would be nice to see how the spawn system reacts to suppressed and unsuppressed pistols and rifles. Even if they keep this spawn system, perhaps they can work in elements of the wandering/sleeping puppets to give that 'seen at distance' experience. Have a few wanderers around in fields, streets and as a player moves in or engages them at distance, have it be a trigger to spawn in dynamic puppets.

They should have an "In doors" and "Out doors" spawn range. It doesn't matter if puppets spawn inside a building until you get within lets say 50m because you probably couldn't see them most of the time anyway. It's the puppets outside in the streets and open areas where they should be spawning at say 250m minimum, maybe more if the system can manage the load. I'd be happy with 50-100m indoors (like bunkers, PDs, etc.) It's the outdoor puppets that really need to spawn in sooner for me, I miss my sniper practice!

you need to be able to snipe beepers, having things spawn close is fine too, but you need to have distance spawns that make sense too otherwise rifles is basically a PvP skill the new additions are all a big W for me tho

I was really really hoping for the ATV addition. Looks like I will have to wait some more time.

was looking forward to this video! have a good day wardog!

Glad to have raft back, the inventory expansion is not bad (shame it can be found in the world and must be brought at trader). But spawn system still terrible, puppets need to spawn a couple hundred meters out so that places have puppets as you approach not spawning in front of you

The devs are hearing But are they listening ?

Playing new solo character and honestly I don't notice anything different with puppet spawning

May as well take out scopes and high power guns now. I mean, what use are the binoculars unless you want to see what the puppets face looks like? They should increase the spawn range by as far as the despawn range is and double (at least) the puppet count. Just my opinion.

Puppets now spawn through the floor of the Base too

Thank you for the update, CW! I like the storage update a lot. I could live with the "encounter system" even though I don't like it at all. My biggest issue is with puppet re-spawning in recently-cleared areas. Will be interesting to see whether they fixed this. If I clear a large area, like a town, and come back a few minutes later only to have all of the cleared puppets re-spawned and calling hordes that will be a no-go for me. I really love this game, but this re-spawning issue is really making me think twice about returning.

Thanks for showing and expressing what so many who have no voice with the devs have been trying to express.

I have no idea what to think of this spawn system but, since isnt 1.0 and the new npc tec1 guards are confirmed thing, imagine that you have 2 or 3 tec1 guards that are spawned like the old system and this new system is just for puppets, i think this is what they will make in the future, or i hope so...it makes perfect sense

been waiting so long for this update, but with this vid i find out its not the one i'm waiting for just yet, seems better, i would of liked to see how the puppets spawn after killing a few.. but the way they only spawn with approach... yeah but no lol, cheers Wardog

cant belive that THIS is the result of the work after all those month! I am so happy that gray zone warfare releases tomorrow! 😅

Yeah, there is sniper rifles scopes and bino’s. I need to be able to kill puppets before i go somewhere.. not behind me😢. Was really hoping they understood that, but it seems not..

this horde system in scum pushed me to try dayz and i must admit i really like it. dayz world is really immersive what i am missing in scum at the moment.

They need to make it so that wherever you can see puppets are already spawned. Even if you have a scope on a sniper rifle. Also as you approach the bunker they should spawn all puppets for the bunker and no more until 10mins after you leave the bunker.

Привет друг ! 🤝 Полностью с тобой согласен , что появление марионеток нуждается в более серьезной доработки , чем сейчас . Мне нравилось как было в начале , когда по городкам и лесам ходили зомби , а ты их мог уничтожать из укрытия или на расстоянии . Тем более это будет уместно , если они введут вооруженных ботов . Сейчас система появления марионеток не годиться . Хорошо , что ввели плоты и расширенные хранилища . Удачи брат 👍

Happy about the rafts... Still miss the old spawn where we could kill puppets from a far... Not good enough for me to download scum again.. Tysm for the recap

Καλησπέρα. Wardog check how the TNT place is with the puppets. Especially after you kill them.how are they respawn. In my opinion the only way to get both immersion and their system is to divide the map in zones and when a player enters a zone to get the puppets. All at once i meant. Maybe have a timer for the respawn and after 30 min a new patch of zombies respawn. Something like that. Unless we turn scum in arcade game. If that happens we switch in dayz. We have options

The revised spawn mechanic only works at the default spawn rate. If you manually increase the amount of puppets in the world, it still doesn't work, but the devs warned you about that. For me personally the game is dead if the spawn system stays like this. On hardcore servers this spawn mechanic is simply deadly. You have to be able to spy on a location from afar and switch off the puppets from a distance, which is no longer possible.

I feel as long as I dont hear them spawn in and they are far enough away, its an improvement. but beepers are the ones you hear that do break immersion. Its good now that they stay longer before despawn, but one thing to test is the cooldown. Can we clear a police station and loot in peace for 5 mins or do the come out of bushes around the perimeter almost instantly after killing one inside? I think a fix for the beeper could be an animation if it has not seen you it should remain silent and passive, slow walking and looking at the floor, but there should be no threat of just running into it in that state. This would be more immersive than just suddenly hearing the beeping. Once it sees you or hears you, it should start an animation of the scream the regular pups do, and a secondary animation where it arms its vest ( just a simple hand motion to the chest) but both of these should be performed while stationary, meaning if you are just running thru the bunker and one spawn around the next corner you are not going to run into it in a live state, the two stationary animations should give you about 5 or 6 seconds to back up, turn and kill it before it starts sprinting at you. I guess we could tell ourselves for immersion, the beeper activates via radius to our bcu, hence why we dont hear it till close... But at a fuel station previously, I ran from one as I had no ranged weapon prepared in my hot keys and when I returned it had simply despawned, I start looting and another one spawns in a bush, giggling and beeping. Its the audio of the beepers that sets them aside from the regulars making them more immersion breaking.

TBH im really thankful they added boats and more space but man that zombies.... i had beeper on my back sooo yeah :D

Why is it so hard for the devs to give us a setting for the distance trigger. Are they stupid? If I have a server for like say 20 people, what do the devs care of when the puppets spawns.

Game seems the same to me after playing this morning except i was unaware we got rafts so thats a plus at least.

It still feels to me as if they took the spawn code from the old killbox system and used it with the horde-summoning scream - so you get four to eight puppets dropping on you from above. The system from 2-3 years ago was still far far better with separate puppet generators for roaming, internal to POIs, and external around them. As it stand right now, any weapon other than a spray and pray mass lead-dumper is pointless in PvE. Right now you cannot snipe out the puppets before entering a locality, and with the spawn distance as it now is you risk having hordes triggered on top of you when trying to snipe through windows or round corners (e.g. in the Police station).

Hey bro. Puppets are IMO still spawning waay too close to where you're going, should have a wider radius, but that's just my take on it :) Great video, cheers!

*Still the same.. if you ask me

i am almost about done with scum, over 4 months and cant even fix one thing that everyone wants. just tries to distract everyone with "new" old stuff. im sure will be another dlc soon.

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amazing news Wardog the Compound Bow have no zoom anymore !!!! :)

They will never listen. They either can't understand, or simply don't care. And now, with horse heads and bunny shoes.... I think it's quite clear what direction the devs have chosen. Oh well. We learned our lesson, I guess.

Greetings. Privet bratan. Love your personality and what you do for Scum and the community. Much love from Australia. Look forward to more of your content 💯 All the best to you in the future 🙏🏼 Bye

Iv just had an idea, I wonder if they moved the spawn system like this, and not just having zombies dotted around like last time, due to system requirements on say a console?

Why aren't there just like, fixed puppet spawns on timers? I'm sure its rather complex but bunkers are a CONSTANT and i feel like if just spaces like that or specific large poi's just HAD enemies in them it would feel a lot better. I still go into random buildings with nothing at all around me and even when sneaking the whole time 5 just spawn around me.

agreed with you, more immersion on the spawn

I think the fact they even went this far this soon is a good sign...I think they will make it better in the future, I cant see any other way it would be stupid to make so much content and not fix things that dont work... just have to wait a little longer... Side note: have a good and safe house moving trip!!!

Doing all this storage space for cars but cars glitch thru the map all time and you lose all your loot just more ways to make I think you loot is safe but the game just gonna snatch it back when it feels like it

The way he says “spawn” lol. Thanks for testing for us. Long range on puppets still garbage kinda sucks.

Love your content CW and you even got me back on official servers because I can't stand that every US server has to have bot shops even though we have traders in the game for like easily over a year now. You said it best official is for psycopaths but I'd rather be crazy than let a server hold my hand in a game that is supposed to have some degree of difficulty and it feels like you can only get that difficulty on official

Now you can better see where peoe arewhen the puppets spawn so close. What a mess.

Hey puppets aside (and it does look like they have done a fair bit of work, but still room for improvement which they admit) Storage on dirt bikes and rafts is a MASSIVE +++. But for now I'm pretty much done with Scum

discovering a zombie is still the same at police stations, it's the same before he goes in there, it's quiet and suddenly a horde and another horde, so the update to the horde failed, it's the same.

The spawn system keeps gradually improving since .95 changes. First inside trees and on roofs to increased radial distances from player, hyper scaled timeframes and all the other subtle changes. It is almost textbook as to what Devman said in a massive forum post years ago and what I've been saying to complainers who don't understand the process. The rate of perfecting is ahead of schedule and thankfully they are forcing us to deal with a hypersensitive spawn system otherwise we might not see 1.0 until late 2025. From a players perspective, this is the perfect time to git gud and prepared for the struggle so so many will face, especially if new players come and have to deal with the brutal PvE after 1.0 and early 1.0. (thankfully we have a bug out system where we can simply just run away, similar to the "if you get stuck, equip torch") In conclusion, remember that the number of human assets actively developing this game is very low and certain things require AI assistance. It could be faster and better with direct human interaction but then other things would be neglected. Pick your poison.

Ok, cool, the spawn is still ass, as expected. Won't come back yet and I'm starting to doubt I will ever do. Thank you for the video.

A little disappointing, but headed in the right direction? Fingers crossed there are still some major improvements planned for the future. I really want this game to succeed!

In my consideration, i think we need to focus on playability of the spawn system... i know inmersion is a good thing on survival games, but this was just broken before. Id like to see you doing an abandoned bunker and check if the respawns are still there; i stopped playing because beepers respawning 3 mts from me and destroying the loot on my backpack after killing them... that was the most annoying thing i experienced on a videogame

100000% better than Nikita’s new patch on EFT

It's sad, but I'm sure they did this for performance sake + the 1.0 is around the corner so they might try to optimize the game as much as they can so it can run on any 10yo old pc

it was before like that when you clear them than you go 100 meters distance they spawn back in the building like police i mean so if you forget something there you need to clear them again ??

You cant just spawn a whole town worth of puppets for every player on the map just in case they might go there. The spawning at the last minute ensures everyone gets puppets, without having hundreds clogging up the server.

I prefer the world to be alive too. Thank you Wardog for testing the new update! As I play more in SP I've already decided... I'm going to rollback to the previous update before they release this crappy spawn system. I found out how to do it and roll back the game to an old patch.

From patch updates "Restricted BB in caves.", does this mean no base building in caves?

Puppet despawn ive tested should be ~100m when no line of site, and closer to ~140-160m if you maintain line of sight. There are still more improvements to come. Please make sure to put some more hours on the game playing normally and revisit your thoughts on the puppets. im curious to see how they play longer term

There should be a minimum of 10-30 puppets at any given time anywhere... If its about optimization... Can't they make it so that they render at the most basic and minimum state until you approach the radius, instead? I .ean i came up with that so easily, surely maybe they tried that and it still didnt work. For whatever reason... In DayZ you approach a poi and they seemingly are already there roaming.

What would be nice is if theyd put a real hoard with thousands of puppets marching together Instead of a dozen puppets spawning on our heads

I totally agree with you man! please keep speaking your mind so the devs listen.

well at least there are no huge number of zombies respawning in front of you try going to loot a cargo drop and see how many zombies will respawn maybe will be less than before

I am glad for the rafts making it back into the game and for inventory expansion on vehicles but puppets spawn system is still pretty bad.. takes away any tactical purpose of the game and any purpose to have a very long range gun... also the game feels pretty much dead if you are watching a huge area with zero puppets around unless you get close... i hope they increase the puppet spawn distance to 200 and add extra spawn distance when youre on focus mode which would rely on awareness skill for how much extra distance it would load.. they probably will never make this happen but we can still believe..

horde waves is a good idea but make them spawn if u did lots of noise. let them spawn 50 away and slowly walk or run in your direction. what is this bs spawning puppets inside a house when u already knock on the door???

Bro, they fked up my game. Every tim I aim a weapon now my characters stance auto changes. I have to hit V to change him back. This is the most annoying thing. I simply cannot play it now.

what about after you clear them on POI and what about popcorn pupets??

The sniper rifle is now of little use in PvE

The Motorboat is now working properly too?

wait, how did you activate the puppet spawn indicator beams???

Hello Wardog, can you tell me the name of the Battle Royale server you was playing on your latest stream 🙏🏻

The game, which aims for realism and immersion down to the smallest details, falls short with its AI spawning system the most important thing that makes it somewhat challenging since we have 0 interactions on a 40-60 player server due to the huge map... . It's confirmed: they're really flooring it on the downhill !! i mean if the players see the problems the devs surly have to see it too right ? they have popular successful examples like dayz and tarkov to learn alot from and yet they tried to fool the fans once again !! i miss the 0.4-0.6 scum devs ... they are not the same now . i feel like they are doing this on purpose to distract the fans from alot of features they cut off from the game, they are gonna make us feel it is what it is and then suddenly fix it to make us say yea the game is good now and so are the devs!

what about abandoned bunkers,..... does mr giggles still spawn on your butt in those? and does that instant spawn after killing a puppet in those still happen? @Casual Wardog

Well it could be alot worse than it is and i am looking forward to what they do next

Scum updates on steam to unscheduled untill they change this. I have had pause from scum and hell no i'm going back to this.

I was thinking ,what if they just had puppets drop from parachutes , like scum players that would be more immersive 😊

can you see players from say 200-300 meters with a scope?

I'm not sure but the spawning system may be working depending on the game level chosen at the begining... Wht do you think or know?

Does anyone else have problems with the storage system? I mean, I put the chests in and when I take them out they disappear :/ Is it a thing of the server where I'm playing? Or is it a game bug?

how do you craft a raft ??

Like and a small Emoji :- ) ... still a long way to go before i'll be back in the game... It all worked better before they gave us the hordes...

I dont really like the new system, the old puppet system where you walk into a house and see a zombie lying down and sometimes even get jumpscared that was really fun. Personally I think they coul´ve improved that system instead of changing it, I never experienced frame drops nor lag with that system tbh, so I dont really know why they changed it

I always love new content, but they removed the overlap on modular BB elements. I get it for the possible exploits or something, but they didn't give us any other options. Whats up with that? We have one window, a wall, door, and roof. That's it. There were almost a dozen ways to build a base before and now there is just one. And after we get used to building with the new rules they are going to wipe again to take away something else. Sad.

dos not looking to good men i think i wait for the next patch (;

Amigo.... i dont see a difference with the spawning system of yesterday......

well yeah...thats what i though gonna happen....

Did the Devs ever mentioned any Sound Change? The biggest Problem in Scum is how Sound can pass through 10m thick Concrete Walls in Atomic Bomb Bunkers. That's the most annoying shit in this Game by FAR! You are deep inside the Bunker and Zombies hear you while they are outside the Bunker running around in a Bush like WTF?? You hear Footsteps in the Grass while you are inside a Bunker!!! Even more annoying that People don't complain about it. I never see someone mentioning it. Do you guys like it that way?? Seems like it 😡 I love Scum but if they dont fix this with 1.0 im not getting back to this Game ever.

The spawn system is still garbage

Is it possible for servers to disable puppets? I want to get back into scum properly but I cant stand the puppets. Dealing with them makes me want to throw my pc out of the window.

Better, but still not good. So happy about the rafts and storage, but man, fix the spawns.

yeah, we want immersion. we had it why did they ruin it. the climbing through windows, going through doors change is what was missing. and maybe puppets should roam inside houses too. if u charge in and headshot em before they can get up, its to ez. also they shouldnt get up and scream at me, instead straight run at me

they try to make realistic survival game. But this spawn system is like a kids playground. Da hell they thinking ?.

Devs are masters at gaslighting. Our expectations have been slowly eroded to the point where we are happy if the puppets dont spawn 1m from our face. It would be hilarious if it wasnt a game a truly cared about! But sadly my no1 game has become a chore to play. A real labour of love! I dont understand why the devs are hell bent on forcing this system on us! Its horrible.

It’s now, not triggering…the puppets are taking away from the game. It’s making it worse. I think 1.0 there will be armed npcs and little to no puppets except in abandon bunkers.