SCUMP WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HIS BEST MAN, HOW IT CHANGED EVERYTHING. 

Crim has been brilliant since the end of the season in his interviews. He's done well to keep his mouth shut all these years as painted as the bad guy and just kept his head down and keep playing. Props to him

Karma, Formal, Scump and Crimsix was the greatest ever call of duty team ever to compete. If you watched them play during bo2 days, mw3 etc. You’d understand how big and crazy it was when this lineup was announced. Insane

Main problem here? Young minds. Their first tangible brotherhood, and when that comes to an end. Both are the villains in their own story sadly. That is the precise moment when innocence fleets, and real life emotion sets in on being wronged, or doing the wrong. Any group of young men, that are this close, when that chapter closes this is the usual effect of those events. Nostalgic feeling for us older cats.

Hopefully they can work things out! The Dynasty needs to be cool with each other again!

I would like to see scumps full side to this story

I 100% see crims point

When he said Seth was undroppable I felt it

Thats real though, i thought he was the "bad guy" and didnt like him. Then i looked more and more and i feel bad for him. He lost friends and that sucks......almost makes the championship even more sweeter

Absolutely fantastic for Hecz to get Crim in and nice to see Crim explain his side really changes peoples views on the whole situation that happened and even better is Hector not taking sides and to hear it all out without taking his players sides.Fantastic episode!

Imagine if they stuck together and let that WWII season go by and focus on the next one

“ It was atleast a 100 less “ 100k? Damn!

Love seth, but this whole ordeal was some hs drama bs. Granted, the lad is still young and no one is perfect. But, there comes a point in time where people have to be professional. Nonetheless, I hope water is under the bridge in the coming future.

Hecz is deffo a influence on me, I caught my self chuckling “then you got me, a great player. Another big ego”

I always have the biggest respect for Crim. A brilliant competitor and great person.

*Crim describing breakdown of his friendship, that everyone wants to hear about and understand from his perspective* 1:20. Hector: Lemme tell you about mexican weddings, dog. 3:15 Lemme take this moment to address some of my critics, Crim. How about letting him talk, Hector? XD

Hecz interrupts too often. Disturbs the flow. I know he has something to say on the matter too, but hey... let a man talk

Damn crim really does love them. I hope they put the past behind them . Brothers aren’t supposed to be mad at each other forever

It really shows how great Crim is.. he is a winner and just brings the winning culture with him. He really is the goat... he helped OG become the powerhouse that it was... they weren’t really winning a lot..

When you have 4 giant egos on a team, you have to make sure each player truly understands that they're in a situation of leading a losing team or being a piece of a winning team

I love that Hecz does these but my guy, please stop making stories about you and let the person you're interviewing finish what they're saying. Once again, thanks for the content. Just trying to be constructive.

Crimsix, scump, karma and formal would've been the god tier team if they would've known how to play together. I guess that's what happens when you have too many goats on your team lol

I love how Crim starts off by saying there isn't a bad guy or a good guy in the situation yet the comments are still trying to make a good or bad guy out of it lol

its kind of crazy to hear seth was supposed to be crims best man. their current divide is a real shame. hopefully it resolves similarly to the seth and formal divide. honestly the seth and nade divide too. seth is always getting into beef with valuable people in his life. real unfortunate

if I took a shot every time hector dropped the f bomb I’d need 17 liver replacements

i like the tape covering the chairs lmao no free advertisement. love this podcast tho

Dude thats why Dallas won the chip. 3 young insane Cod players with 2 experienced players. Crim and clay does all the work when it comes to strats and young kids give inputs to better those strats rather than ego clashing and then they just let illey and the boys slay it out.

Hecz - the moxy you bring to this scene is refreshing. Not sure I could handle working with all those kids. You fill the role of mentor marvelously

don't forget crim will never forgive and never forget

Jesus Hecz, would you let people finish what they're saying rather than constantly interupt and trying to make what theyre saying about you.

Crimsix and Seth need to hatch this shit out . Brothers fights all the time man . We need y’all back together

wait what, I’ve never seen Crim as the villain just a team breaking up and little beef

When they come back together they will be stronger than ever

Just hope they can eventually become friends again. Never understood why crim got painted as the villain, apart from the fact that scump’s massive fanbase often get blinded in their fandom. I’m sure they will eventually as they get older, but can see why crim wouldn’t want to.

Imagine, let me Brain storm! H3cz bought OpTic back....Seth and Formal is in NRG, but let's imagine he buys them or transfers them over somehow....and let's imagine...somehow Crimsix forgives Seth and join back onto OpTic and Karma returns....Just Imagine!

“I was gonna take care of you” HECZ.

Hekz constantly turning it back to himself

I've been thinking about how it all happened and went through kinda every perspective of it, and it really just seems like the Dynasty folded inwards during that time. Ego's were clashing and losing already makes it tedious but Seth's internet really was the last bit and he's even admitted that and hindsight is 20/20 in that time period. Follow that up with it breaking apart it's not hard to see that the shake up kind of destabilized the foundation- and then the whole franchise split hit everything and I do agree that Crim has every right feel like Seth chose others over him. I think really what put the actual wedge there was the "good guy/bad guy" narrative that took hold- it's a GREAT story but I mean had it not been for that I think that division wouldn't have been as bad. I guess my hope overall for this is one, fans stop going for peoples' throats in general when things like this happen (fans absolutely contributed to making the divide even more hyped up) and two, these two (and the dynasty in general) can become friends again. I do not want them teaming again, personally it should be in the past that we look back on and team wise it wouldn't work with Karma retired and Empire/Huntsmen teams are solid. But if there is a chance to at least see these boys reconcile and resolidify the old brotherhood outside of competitive I think it'd be a much better storyline than "good guy/bad guy".

Tragic story all jokes aside. Scump was HIGH AF off the HGH hormones....Héctor needed to check him. Formal just didn't give af at that point, that man was babysitting a bunch of whiny privileged bozo's.....but it did make for a sick 'villain' origin stor, it really helped Crim's career. Not that Porter needed it, but it made for the best drama/breakup in COD history. Crim is funny, Seth is funny, but him and Seth on a podcast isn't gonna happen until they both retire. Which won't be until they're in their 30's. It'll be cool to see Formal moderate that conversation for 'fact-checking'. Paperview shit $$$ 🤑🤑🤑

Can someone tell me like the story behind all this what actually happened ?I’ve been away from the scene for a couple years so I have no idea

10:49 & 11:30 Crim: Rarely any single player changes that elevate a team immensely from T12 to 1st 100T Preistah in BO4: *hold my beer*

Yeah but he did the same to nuke tho he was in nv for a long time and then decided to drop him without telling him

This was great thanks for clearing it up

Objectively speaking Seth was in the wrong, until Modern Warfare was about to start, then Porter was.

I would normally hate these type of talk show things, but for some Fucking reason I’m in Love ❤️ with hecs show!! Idk why but keep up these Dope discussions!!!!!

Crim is talking about what I always been saying let’s make cod teams better by getting better not talent sniping and roster switching

Give it time the dynasty still has a chance to reunite

H3CZ please let crim finish his sentence holy fook

Lol @ the Villains World sticker on the laptop 🤣

They both talk about the dynasty egos, how no one wanted to do the dirty work and admit what they where doing was in the teams best interest, but crim didn't give him self a negative either

I'll be the first to admit without knowing the full story, Crim became the bad guy in my mind. Everywhere I just saw him being "the bad guy", especially eSports news sources. But because of this podcast I see how very very wrong I was. In this situation Crim was actually the victim, but everyone made it seem like he was the one who caused it all. Definitely sorry for the things I thought about him.

Bro crim keeps saying he wanted the team to stick 😭

The commercial crimx was super great and nice

At the end of the day, its the end of the day... but at the end of the day, at the end of the day. You know

I lost respect for Scump right after it happened because of his work ethic and the way he drops people, but this made lose all of it.

Crim and clay now have 3 rings man clay is so underrated it’s not even funny

My respect for crim 📈

C6 you the goat dude

The thing is, I watched a tonne of, if not all of the games they played and they often took turns carrying each other. WWII being the exception, they should have stuck together, tried their best and looked past what they knew was a shitty year. They all need personal growth on how to be a team. You can't succeed all of the time, but you can try to. Doesn't mean you quit on each other. That's immaturity. The team and brand was in no danger even with them losing in WWII.

Scump never speaks about the downfall of the dynasty because he was the main problem with the toxicness and excuses.

When is this guy gonna run some x-cross seminars? We need the training.

Crims the goat of cod.

I'm coming late to the party on this subject... but honestly... I think the current roster has the best chemistry I've ever seen in OpTic. Envoy, Scump, Formal and Dashy don't seem to have ego fights.

What even happened

Take a shot every time H drops the f bomb

No cap scump seems like the bad guy in this situation

How do i hear chairs squeaking in the background at times....like what?! Am i the only one hearing that shit??

At the beginning, is he talking about T2P or Dashy and TJ dipping and renewing their contract with Immortals OpTic?

Someone has to be the bigger man there. If you refer to your relationship as a "brotherhood" the someone needs to reach out. Family fight its facts but you suck it up and talk.

And in all the interviews, if everything is true but i strongly believe so, you get why Crim and Karma are the GOATs of COD and Scump isnt on their level: Theyre not just skilled but smarter from a player perspective. Crim always had the right ideas, his mindset was so good, it was him and the other guys who really took the team to the next level. Sure having a gunskill freak like Scump next to you is helpful but at the end of the day brain wins championships.

CHILL THEY BOTH MORE MATURE NOW. AMEN 🙏🏽

Good on yea crim

I would love to see crim and Seth work things out and be friends some what again

Damn he took a 100k pay cut jeeez!!

I know that there are probably videos for what I'm asking. However ill ask it anyway, I would like to see something breaking down how heck lost optic and what ever they are talking about the "two people" and just that whole situation. I stopped watching competitive cod after I.W. and then came back in this year. And wow at the changes

At least 100 less???!? How much is the salary god amn

Crim start your own crew!!

Seth is lowkey sly af, we just dont know it lol

Fuck, this mans just won Champs, and a big dub at that, and he still says optic shouldn’t have split when they did. That shit hurted

These guys can rekindle their relationship for sure. But let’s get shit straight. If anybody thinks across the board Scump didn’t bring more value to the squad y’all trippin. Crim is a good pro, Scump is an elite pro. When we compare primes anyways. They’re both old now but I’d be willing to say Scump is a top 3 if not the top SMG Ever in COD. Crim isn’t top 3 anything by a long shot. I know he’s GOATED with rings but he’s always been surrounded by elite talent. People get upset with players like Scump, octane, Abezy.. but when you’re that good you have a certain type of stubbornness/cockiness that gives you an edge.

Can someone tell me where the full podcast for this is please?

One day Crim,Scump and Formal will run that shit back for the times. Get under the optic name and just have the time.

Even tho I'm a Dallas fan "Dirty D represent" I've always kinda seen Crim as the bad guy honestly, until he just cleared things up with this pod cast.

well, obviously we don't exactly know what happened, but with just the information that is out in public, it seems like it is mostly Seth's fault. Crim left him, Formal wanted to leave him and left him later on. Nadeshot had a fight with him. He had some ego issues, and I can understand why. When you are the best at the game, you will have some ego. But it looks like he now knows where he went wrong, that's why I like him as a player now. And they were all kids, that is the main problem in COD right now, people at the age of 18-19 are playing this game full time with very less money. They are not even mature enough to play in a team envt, they don't even know what are they going to do when they retire cause surely there are more examples of people who don't have much money once they retire from COD. This is still an up and coming field of esport, and I hope people like Hecz can change the whole envt of competitive cod so that pros are mature and can earn money. When I look at the pros twitter page, it looks like bunch of dogs fighting to be honest, taking digs at each other, so how can I respect them. I only watch them because COD is entertaining, but I cannot follow them

please be friends again yall were so funny together

BO3 team was elite 😪

I just got into FOLLOWING COMPETITIVE GAMING SO TO TRANSLATE THESE DUDES WAS LIKE THE WARRIORS WITH KD ? 🤔😂😂

hecz letting the boys squash the beef 🤙🏼 now just gotta get nickmercs and nadeshot lol

Love the COD drama but there must be deep bad blood. Seth was supposed to be his best man at his wedding bro that's bigger than COD. Fuck! Hope these 2 can figure shit out after they both retire

What are they talking about in the beginning?

I wish formal would sort his anti social behaviour out too its not good the fact he shys away from team bonding and shit that really gets to me him saying no to getting a flight to Chicago for champs is silly man he needs to grow out of that shit man

Reunite the Dynasty please.

The fact all that shit got in the way of scump being crims best man is sad af man i can see why crim is up set they were his boys man and they shit on him i have huge respect you crim your the true goat i love scump but the fact scump and formal talked shit about you is shady all of you guys got me through hard times watching yous play cod you gave me something to look forward to either way i hope yous sort it all out huntman/OG?? for life

People think this is drama? remember when Aui_2000 got kicked from EG after winning an $18.5 Million prize pool International for Dota2, even after making the game winning play with Universe to close off the bo5 none the less...

Dame!! That's hard

Oof is all I got to say

Imo Crim kinda labeled himself the villain I always just thought everyone was tired of teaming and broke up bc of that

Yo this is recent right?

They will get back together at some point

If aids was a cod player it would be scump

Wow great insight and pretty much exactly how I saw it at the time. I feel scump costed huntsman this year with selfish plays as well. To make it clear I like scump but you gotta call it how it is.