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@ChumpusRex
@ChumpusRex 5 лет назад
The Chinese device will just be a single giant MOV. MOVs are quite capable of handling currents of up to about 50-60 kA if large enough. MOVs are needed for a phase to earth or phase to neutral SPD. GDTs don't self reset in the presence of voltage - MOVs automatically return to high resistance state once voltage falls below the threshold. GDTs remain in a low resistance state until the current flow stops. If placed in a PN or PE position, once triggered, they would form a continuing short-circuit until the device was destroyed or overcurrent protection tripped. GDTs are acceptable for use on a neutral-earth position where continuing current would not be expected. MOVs and GDTs are OK for "type 2" and "type 3" SPDs - which are intended for indirect lightning or switching surges. However, "type 1" SPDs intended for direct lightning suppression need to use spark gaps, as the energies expected are far too high to be practically managed with MOVs. Spark gaps also have the problem of shorting out the mains supply until the end of the AC line cycle, which adds to the energy they must dissipate, and also results in voltage dips which can upset sensitive equipment. There is a conspiracy theory circulating from a manufacturer of MOV devices that the spark gap SPD manufacturers managed to twist the arm of the standards committee, and get them to set the minimum specifications so high that MOVs and GDTs were out of the question, allowing spark gaps to corner the type 1 SPD market. TVS diodes are another SPD option, they are like MOVs but trigger faster and harder. They are hugely more expensive than MOVs, and available in much smaller current ratings. However, the higher performance makes them suitable for use on very sensitive high-end electronics, and the low capacitance means that they don't cause much degradation to digital signals, so can be used on high speed data cables.
@MarkGarth
@MarkGarth 5 лет назад
Wow, that is some over pricing for the BG product. What a rip off. Good to see you back again :-)
@colinblythe3710
@colinblythe3710 5 лет назад
YES it was interesting - I was wondering how they worked - The components must only be penny's - If a MCB can be made and sold for £5 they MUST be able to make these cheaper than £75 !!!!!Thank for the video good work
@Mark1024MAK
@Mark1024MAK 5 лет назад
They are clearly a rip off.
@jpalm32
@jpalm32 5 лет назад
Difference price in USA is product liability insurance!!! China don't answer lawsuits
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 5 лет назад
Definitely. I think the price will drop considerably however. These are new to the UK market at the moment.
@borayurt66
@borayurt66 5 лет назад
Most probably the solder used is a very low melting point stuff. Regular 300+ degree solder will take a long time to melt.
@bjornroesbeke
@bjornroesbeke 2 года назад
I've watched this video multiple times since it was released, and only now i realized that "BG" is a credible name. Both modules are cheap on AliExpress and they all look the same. BG just put its logo on the device and gets £70 in profits.
@leexgx
@leexgx 4 года назад
the pin on the back is there for holder that supports a monitoring output connector so when it trips you can have it wired to a light or a sounder
@ArcanePath360
@ArcanePath360 5 лет назад
I bought lots of BG chrome face plates onces. Never again will I buy BG. They are terrible over priced rubbish. The dimmer switches had nothing but problems and the TV aerial socket had poor connections leading to signal break up. The twin socks have hard to push rocker switches and plugs have to be forced in.
@misterkazmi
@misterkazmi 5 лет назад
same problems I had, the dimmers are too deep into the back boxes too
@Mr.Leeroy
@Mr.Leeroy 2 года назад
The price must be a result of R&D and QA costs compared to production low volumes. But I am sure they do not make them for charity and there is a good amount for profit included as well.
@bgdwiepp
@bgdwiepp 5 лет назад
Long time no see, thanks for the new video.
@ohmedarick1
@ohmedarick1 5 лет назад
I agree. Me too !!!!! I missed your videos. Thank you Steve
@Z-add
@Z-add 3 года назад
Crack open abb, Schneider, hager lewden Eaton etx.
@chefbink61
@chefbink61 4 года назад
AAAAAAaaaaa what no hammer of truth I wanted to see some plastic flying!!! It's amazing how once the government says you have to have something the price of that something goes through the roof!!
@philipansell1653
@philipansell1653 5 лет назад
The BG model is manufactured in China.
@masteryoda394
@masteryoda394 2 года назад
The surge arresters from DEHN actually cost more than a 100€, I don't see why 🧐
@TRS-Tech
@TRS-Tech 5 лет назад
Low temp aloy releases spring loaded tab. When the MOV's have died they overheat and trigger it. Flag changes colour and button on the back pops out. That little button on the back pushes a microswitch to remote signal that protection has failed. The cheapo chineese ones only have MOV's. The propper high grade units normaly have TVS, Gas discharge and MOV. Does the paperwork with the £75 unit mention insurance cover at all ? If not you would be better of with a decent UPS to protect any expensive kit. I have a 3.2 KVA APC unit and that claims it can take a 15 million Joule's. You get a £1M insurance policy / garentee with it to. P.S. I used to work for openreach and they removed the gas discharge surge arrestors from there NTE's or master sockets years ago.
@obd6HsN
@obd6HsN 4 года назад
I was going to ask whether anyone had tested the melting temperature of the "solder"
@robertcalkjr.8325
@robertcalkjr.8325 5 лет назад
Thanks Steve.
@Z-add
@Z-add 3 года назад
So this is a single time protection. Once it does its job it needs to be replaced.
@normanhartill1424
@normanhartill1424 4 года назад
So, in essence, these devices are non-re-settable and are sacrificial?
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 4 года назад
Absolutely
@georgen.8027
@georgen.8027 2 года назад
Very lazy not to even try getting under the potting...
@roofkopenterprisesjaywants5481
Thanks
@valyardelean
@valyardelean 5 лет назад
what brand/model of soldering station do you have?
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 5 лет назад
It's the Metcal MX-5200 series
@jamesmoon5632
@jamesmoon5632 5 лет назад
No wholesalers i know are supplying them unless special order
@quimninja
@quimninja 5 лет назад
Denmans do off the shelf
@tonynature
@tonynature 2 года назад
John Ward anyone...???
@firsteerr
@firsteerr 5 лет назад
without seeing the opening can i guess ?? the BG has various parts designed to absorb the spark etc etc , the Chinese one has a nail ????
@585585MC
@585585MC 5 лет назад
Weeelcoooome baaaack!!
@michaelcostello6991
@michaelcostello6991 2 года назад
How will customer know if these have tripped ??
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 2 года назад
They have to notice the green window change to red.
@michaelcostello6991
@michaelcostello6991 2 года назад
@@sdgelectronics Thanks
@TheSachin6678
@TheSachin6678 4 года назад
your voice sound like mr Been
@misterkazmi
@misterkazmi 5 лет назад
so actually you can reuse the device after its popped? just push those elements back and re-sold them and they are ready to do the job again, I suppose!
@blahfasel2000
@blahfasel2000 5 лет назад
Um, no, that's actually very dangerous. It doesn't trip after every surge that the device dissipates. But every surge will degrade the protection devices (especially the metal oxide varistor) a little bit, to the point where it will start leaking more and more current during normal (non-surge) operation. The low temperature solder connection is there to disconnect it once the leakage current gets to high. Reconnecting it (especially using different solder with a higher melting point!) means you just created a time-delay fire starter (and no, the circuit breaker won't help with that, a leakage current well below its tripping point is enough to catch things on fire; the MCB is there for catastrophic failures, for example after a direkt lightning strike has blown the innards to smithereens).
@uiopuiop3472
@uiopuiop3472 4 года назад
watchin video, tank
@zjzozn
@zjzozn 4 года назад
Great vlog 👍 wow so simple design, these will be £20 in a few years
@vinodvekria
@vinodvekria 3 года назад
£22 in toolstation
@ОляП-д4х
@ОляП-д4х 4 года назад
good video
@HariiBTV
@HariiBTV 5 лет назад
basically.... it's a fuse
@First2ner
@First2ner 5 лет назад
Sorry, did you say 3? I can't them for below 20
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 5 лет назад
There's one here for £3.79: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SPD-1P-30KA-60KA-B-385VAC-House-Surge-Protective-Low-voltage-Arrester-Device/222706892277
@godfreyiga2013
@godfreyiga2013 5 лет назад
Wonderful explanation
@grhinson
@grhinson 5 лет назад
It kinda looks like a polyfuse
@nicholaspratt7934
@nicholaspratt7934 4 года назад
Will the live busbar at the bottom be in the way of installing the CPC?
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 4 года назад
Needs installing away from the busbar
@nicholaspratt7934
@nicholaspratt7934 4 года назад
@@sdgelectronics So it cannot be DIN rail mounted or does it have to be mounted past the end of the busbar.?
@saudttt9968
@saudttt9968 5 лет назад
When surge protector active does the load cut off power or continue to work? I hope my Question is Clare.
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 5 лет назад
It doesn't interrupt power to anything. It's just a device that tries to shunt spikes and transients to earth
@walugembemoses673
@walugembemoses673 3 года назад
Can a surge protector be repaired???
@markharrison7374
@markharrison7374 4 года назад
JW watched this
@yonasweldekidan2077
@yonasweldekidan2077 3 года назад
JW is awesome
@DaveMcAnulty
@DaveMcAnulty 5 лет назад
7:35 annnnnnd, there is your price difference. 15:35 breaks cleanly, 7:35 fails shorted
@PIXscotland
@PIXscotland 5 лет назад
If the heat source was larger, the proper heat source, that wouldn't have happened though.
@richardneilson
@richardneilson 5 лет назад
In actual use it would still be shorted, therefore still conducting, which would then cause it to carry on melting until it failed open.
@sebi7794
@sebi7794 5 лет назад
@@richardneilson No, it won't because the heated contact would be heated for longer time and therefore the solder would have been melted completely and not bridging anything.
@richardneilson
@richardneilson 5 лет назад
@@sebi7794 That's what I said, it would carry on conducting until fully melted
@sebi7794
@sebi7794 5 лет назад
@@richardneilson Yes, you are right. I don't know what I read there :-)
@ningis21
@ningis21 5 лет назад
Is there a minimum Earth/Bonding size for these devices or is it calculated from the Line or Neutral conductor size?
@G1ZQCArtwork
@G1ZQCArtwork 5 лет назад
6mm.
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