Se7en | Canadians First Time Watching | Incredibly disturbing and !@#$ed up | Movie Reaction 

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This movie was my first date with my wife. That was a dumb move. This is not a first date movie! But remarkably she came back for a second date, and the rest is history!

This movie caused a HUGE stir when it came out. It was THE movie everyone was talking about because of the sheer shock factor. And Kevin Spacey not being listed in the credits or marketing made the impact of his appearance that much stronger. How many thrillers have been spoiled because you're waiting for a certain actor to make their appearance?

Brad Pitt has some of the most amazing facial expressions in that last scene. You can just see all these warring emotions on his face. I’ve seen this movie a few times and I’m always stunned by his performance at the end.

Say what you want about Kevin Spacey as a person but his monologue in the backseat of the car was phenomenal and this movie is a masterpiece

"What's in the box?!" is one of those cinematic moments that I will always remember. The fear, dread, agony in Brad Pitt's voice. The conflict as he struggles to not shoot Spacey...ugh. Such a powerful iconic scene.

Sidenote: When Brad Pitt slipped on the ladder or the hood of the car, he for real broke his arm/wrist, so when he is holding his arm for the rest of that scene, its FOR REAL.

Lawyers are subject to rules of professional conduct, which are set by a combination of the Bar Association and the state. Violating them is grounds for the lawyer to be disbarred, which means they cannot practice law, and would also be grounds for the client to challenge the outcome (appeal/retrial/etc.) One of the main rules is 'reasonable diligence' -- a lawyer must act with the best interests of the client in mind, and cannot neglect or disregard legal matters that might benefit their defense. Therefore, a lawyer who intentionally tanked their client's case would be risking losing their career, and the client would likely have grounds to get a new trial anyway, so it would be a colossal waste of time. Lawyers defend people they know are guilty all the time. If they cannot stomach the clients' actions then they must resign from the case.

The Jodie Foster reference was referencing the guy who tried to assassinate Reagan and had an obsession with Jodie Foster from ‘Taxi Driver’. He was found not guilty by reason of insanity and was committed to a mental hospital for 35 years. One of the security guards injured and paralysed in the shooting eventually died about 30 years afterwards, and the shooter was once again considered not responsible by reason of mental illness.

This movie is just overflowing with grim atmosphere. The film locations and sets, the rain, the desaturated greenish/gray color palette, the actors’ performances, the music. It’s a total masterpiece.

A couple of things about this film: 1) The entire film is shown from Somerset and Mills' direct point of view, and there isn't a single scene where at least one of them isn't present. This is because the movie literally follows the investigation as it unfolds, and we only find out the details as they uncover them. That's why the murders aren't shown, and why we have to figure out what happened even as the detectives do. It's also why we don't meet the villain face to face until they do. 2) The studio famously tried to alter the ending because they thought it was too dark. They came up with all kinds of ridiculous ideas to water it down, all of which would have completely ruined the film. They only agreed to keep the original ending intact when Brad Pitt threatened to quit if they didn't. 3) Even then the ending was extended slightly at the studio's request. The original idea was for the film to end on the aerial shot of Mills walking away from John Doe's body. The director agreed to add the "world is worth fighting for" epilogue to leave the audience with a glimmer of hope, and make the ending a little less bleak.

i have watched hundreds of movies in my 5+decades and this one was the only one i EVER saw in a theatre where the end of the movie came and no one, NOT ONE person said anything. everyone just got up in a daze and left. My head wasn't right for at least 3 days and it took a few years to realize why. The impact of this movie is made not just from the amazing acting or the twisting storyline but from the realism. The story that Morgan Freemans character tells to the captain about the guys eyes getting stabbed out just nails home that every bit of this movie could easily be and probably has been at some point, very very real. "Ernest Hemmingway once said, the world is a wonderful place and worth fighting for...I agree with the second part."

Set design on this movie is insane. All those meticulously written journals are real and someone spent days writing them out for a few shots on screen, besides all the other things in the killer's room.

This one made a stir upon its release. Critics and audiences were bowled over by how grim and gruesome it was. So much so that it's easy to miss the fact that almost no violence occurs on screen.

I went to see this a second time in theaters just to observe the first-timers' reactions.

11:30 I love that George, though curious about the pound of flesh, recognizes the discomfort and politlely moves on...

I REALLY don't think, that in the 26 (TWENTY SIX!) years since this movie released, that a better thriller has been made. Even watching this for the umpteenth time in a cut up manner with people talking over it I still get chills... Not to mention that it is proving to be quite timeless. It doesn't play at all as a mid '90s film.

The Lust scene ... has to be the most honest sincere reaction I've EVER seen!!!! ... Love you guys! .... awesome video!

The scene in the brothel is particularly brutal and graphic, Simone was visibly shocked and upset by that and I don't blame her, it's hard to comprehend something like that.

Great reaction, one of the best movies of the 90’s with the most messed up ending. I remember literally shouting at the screen for Mills not to kill Doe, I also remember being absolutely speechless figuring out the whole plan as I sort of knew what was in the box, but had no idea how it tied to the last two “sins”.

A clever little touch in this movie that is a bit hard to pick up on when watching at home, is that the end credits scroll in the opposite direction from normal. It is so disconcerting if you're trying to read the credits, as your eye is constantly fighting to keep up, and it's just not possible. You can tell something is wrong but it's not obvious what. A very sly and effective way to unsettle the audience even after the movie has ended.

Leland Orser is the actor who plays the man who was made to kill the hooker. If you watch enough movies, you will see him all over the place, and he always steals the show, no matter how small his role. This scene here is no exception. His performance in this makes the crime incredibly disturbing, even though all he does is describe what happened.

I felt so bad for Simone. She seemed really affected at times. I can only hope the likes of Dr. Pixar was able to offer a counterbalancing remedy.

There are specialized cleaning companies that deal with crimes scenes. The finger print tech is Morgan Freeman’s son. The director didn’t tell the actor who played the cop standing over the guy in the bed that he was still alive so that was his genuine reaction when the guy coughed. The pride murder victim was a supposed to be a famous model so she had to choose death or being disfigured.

The epic 'Apocalypse Now' also opens without any credits, but it really doesn't have any opening credits. That would be a good one to do, one day.

Leland Orser's performance is chilling. Then again, in every small part I've seen him in, he's fantastic. And he doesn't get enough credit for it.

This movie disturbed me for days after first watching it. I couldn't stop thinking about it. It definitely achieved what it was meant to do, so it has all of the hallmarks of a great film

It's been 4 months since this reaction was posted, so you guys probably won't see this comment and you may also have forgotten certain details about the film by now but I'd like to post this anyway because it's definitely worth reading. Lengthy read but fascinating analysis of the film's themes: Apathy is the biggest theme of the film. Many discussions within the film allude to it. Aside from the obvious apathy speech Somerset (Morgan Freeman) gives to Mills (Brad Pitt) in the bar, but also when Somerset explains how the first thing women are taught in rape prevention class is to not yell "help" because no one responds to "help" but instead to yell "fire" (as Somerset put it "in a big city, minding your own business is a science"). People in big cities are apathetic to any one stranger's individual suffering but a fire can spread to multiple buildings which affects everyone, which is why people respond to "fire". Throughout the film, Somerset repeatedly mentions how much he hates the city. All his years on the force has caused him to be cynical, jaded and apathetic. Particular example: all the noise, police sirens, screaming and crime that he hears outside his apartment window keeps him up at night which is why he uses a metronome, to drown out the noise. He has become apathetic to the crime going on just outside his place-- the metronome is symbolism for Somerset's apathy. Also, note, right after Mills denounces Somerset's apathy speech in the bar ("I don't think you're quitting because you believe in the things you say, I think you want to believe them because you're quitting"), Somerset goes home that night and destroys the metronome. Mills's words really affected him causing Somerset to care at least a little bit again, which is why he destroyed the metronome (i.e. his apathy). And John Doe's words during the car ride "Only in a world this shitty can we say these were innocent people. We see a deadly sin on every street corner and we tolerate it. We tolerate morning, noon and night." APATHY. Also, many characters, even minor ones, are super judgmental and have little sympathy for people's suffering. Like when the SWAT team raids the apartment of the mummified sloth victim tied to the bed, the lead SWAT cop (played by Bob from "Office Space") says to him "you got what you deserved"-- but then when he's alive and taken to the hospital, the doctor says "he's experienced about as much pain and suffering as anyone I've encountered... and he still has Hell to look forward to." To me, it was always such a bizarre thing for a doctor to say given their Hippocratic oath and their duty to care but ya know... APATHY. THE LAWYERS: The lawyer that's punished for greed, as John Doe put it "this is a man who dedicated his life to making money by lying with every breath he could muster to keeping murderers and rapists off the streets." That lawyer didn't care about justice or morality. Also, John Doe's lawyer has virtually no emotion while he's blackmailing the cops with John Doe's plea bargain. Either they agree and John Doe pleads guilty or if they don't agree, John Doe will plead insanity. The lawyer says "with the extreme nature of these crimes, I could easily get him off with such a plea." The lawyer seems quite apathetic to justice and the victims of the case while he, as Mills puts it, sits there in his $3000 suit (indicating he's much like the slain greedy lawyer). He also says to them "if you don't agree to my client's specific conditions, these two bodies will never be found" to which the black district attorney (Richard Roundtree) retorts "at this point, I'm inclined to let them rot" -- APATHY. Also the lawyer in the same scene: "My client would like to remind you that two more people are dead. The press would have a field day if the police didn't seem to concerned about finding them and giving them a proper burial." THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS: The proprietor of the whorehouse is questioned by Mills in the glass interrogation room. Mills asks him "you didn't see anything strange or suspicious, anyone with a package under their arm?" He responds with "everybody coming in there has got a package under their arm, some people have suitcases full of stuff". The man "sees nothing" and questions nothing. Mills then asks him "do you like your job, the things you see?" To which he responds, "No, but that's life, isn't it?". He doesn't like it, but he tolerates it because it's a living. APATHY. Also the owner of the S&M leather shop who designed the knife strap-on costume is asked disgustedly by Somerset "you actually made this for him?" The owner replies "yea, so what, I made weirder shit than this." APATHY This might be reading too much into it but the pizza shop where they meet the FBI agent with the library files. Somerset mentions that the pizza shop must have had "at least 50 health violations last inspection". They clearly don't care about standards and safety. APATHY. And for some reason, the city didn't even shut them down. Did the health dept simply tolerate it? More apathy?? Also, the real estate agent that sold the "subway" apartment to Mills and his wife. The man was a scumbag who only cared about selling the place and obviously didn't care about their discomfort. APATHY. And also, the sloth victim's landlord was just happy that the rent was always paid on time and that there were no complaints from or about that tenant. He never bothered to ever check up on him. APATHY. DETECTIVE MILLS: Also notice Mills is the only character that "cares" in the film. As Somerset sarcastically asks him, "you want to be a hero and you're gonna make a difference?" Mills, the only character who supposedly "cares" gets punished the most in the film; his whole world gets turned upside down by the end. Mills, the man and his philosophy on life, is destroyed-- and he will undoubtedly become as jaded and cynical as Somerset. Mills's own words to John Doe in the car, "I don't see you as a Messiah. After 2 months, no one will remember this. No one will care. You're a movie of the week, you're a fucking T-shirt at best." Also, when Mills tells the story of when he fired his gun in the line of duty, he remembers how he felt during the incident but can't remember the name of his fellow cop that was shot-- this was after he witnessed the first few murders. I think this was supposed to signify the small but subtle beginning of the erosion of Mill's sympathy. But I could just be looking too much into it. Also, again, note at the end of the film when Mills is put into the back of the police cruiser, the captain (Lee Ermey) says to Somerset "don't worry, we'll take care of him"-- which pretty much means the department will cover up the incident. Even though Mills murdered a suspect, the captain and the rest of the police department is APATHETIC to his crime (Mills's sin of wrath will go unpunished). The film is just swimming with apathetic characters and I'm sure there's other examples that I haven't mentioned. But goddamn, what a script! It seems like no line of dialogue or detail is accidental or wasted. It all serves a purpose and contributes to the story's themes.The film is almost sickening and revolting given the themes and how effective it is at conveying them; the screenplay is astonishingly literary. It's a brilliantly written masterpiece. How it didn't get nominated at the Oscars is baffling. I highly recommend watching this video which explores the film in greater detail: ​@ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uKSDctC2o-s.html

The opening music that is 'going to give you nightmares' was made by the great Trent Reznor (Nine Inch Nails) Oh, and the marquis de Sade was 18th century, not 16th.

The most disturbing sickening cinematic masterpiece in the history of cinema.

I remember seeing this in the theater. Total gut bomb. From the creepy opening credits and music, to the surprise ending… I was incredibly impressed, considering I felt stunned like I’d just been punched in the face.

Another good Brad Pitt movie was "12 Monkeys" with Bruce Willis, time traveler film The opening theme from "Se7en" was a different version of the song "Closer" by the group 9 Inch Nails

David Fincher definitely has a knack for suspense. When you are up for another thriller, you should check out "Zodiac". ...for a more uplifting movie, tho, I'd suggest Amelie or The Secret Life Of Walter Mitty (with Ben Stiller)

If a lawyer just 'mails it in' will cause reason for a mistrial and the person will have to be retried. Then the lawyer risks disbarment.

Jesus Christ..that's pretty much everyone's reaction the first time and she wasn't at the end yet. This was my favorite movie for a long time just because I was floored.

Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now has no credits. He had them printed on leaflets that were handed out at early screenings. And the creepy music over the credits sequence is a reworking of Nine Inch Nails "Closer", the music video to which is on a par with Se7en in the dark & disturbing stakes.

One of the most uncompromising films ever made - bleak, dank, powerful w/Freeman & Pitt at the top of their games. Fincher's masterpiece. Solid choice & reactions.

"Just a thriller..." Oh you sweet young lady, you aren't ready. 😆

When I first saw this, I said I wouldn't watch it again and I didn't until I watched a RU-vid reaction to it. This is the second time. It's interesting that you never even see a murder on screen until the climactic ending (no spoilers). What makes it so disturbing is that it leaves 6 of the 7 crimes to your imagination.

Another David Fincher classic is "The Game" with Michael Douglas and Sean Penn. One of the best psychological dramas I've ever seen: definitely a must watch!! Love your channel, guys, and your reactions!!

Glad I came across your channel. As somebody who loves films, you eventually find yourself at a point where it feels like you're running out of good films to watch and really have to dig deep, and at that point, you wish you could experience your first viewings of so many films all over again. Admittedly, it's basically a hobby at this point for me to share films from my collection with friends and acquaintances. Not only because I feel like everybody should watch them at least once before they die, but also because by introducing a film to them, I'm sort of reliving my first experience through them vicariously, and reaction videos such as yours give me a similar feeling. I love seeing how people react to films and comparing our interpretations. I find it fascinating and thoroughly entertaining. At least when important lines aren't being interrupted/spoken over, which you two rarely do from the couple of videos I've seen of yours so far, so good on you. Keep 'em coming.

The Jodie Foster reference is about the man who shot President Reagan.

The lawyer isn’t defending the person’s actions, they’re ensuring the government has every right to lock them up. Crossing the t’s and dotting the i’s. If the Justice system can’t label you as a criminal despite the best efforts of the attorney then there’s a flaw in the system that needs to be acknowledged.

Fun fact, they actually made a prosthetic head of Gweneth Paltrow, however they did not use it at the end, but if you see the movie, Contagion, they used it in the autopsy scene.

Sloth (Michael Reid Mackay) also appeared in X-Men2 as Jason, Stryker's telepathic son. Supposedly Bryan Singer (director of X2) told the X2 casting director that he wanted someone who "looked like that guy from Se7en" to play Jason and they responded, "well, we could just get that guy from Se7en" and they did.

In cases like this the point of the defense attorney is to keep the prosecution and court honest and to advocate to get the best and most fair trial for their client. No matter how deplorable or guilty a client is if the prosecution or police mishandle the investigation or break the rules then the defense attorney is there to call them on it.

There was some subtle foreshadowing when Somerset was listing out the 7 deadly sins in the police station. He listed them all out on his hand before turning directly to Mills listing the final sin of “envy”.

Bach in the library while it's raining in NY has given kind of historical atmosphere to a movie that deals with ancient religiousity.

In the film,the darkest day is where it's sunny and bright and not the usual rain that permeates through most of the film

I hoped you'd like the opening credits. I saw this at the theatre when I was 20 and I was blown away and so excited that a movie had actually used the opening title to convey meaning - first and best use I'd ever seen. I dont like the film noir and private dick genre - but this movie's art and feel is so perfect, you can't help but love it, even when youre disgusted, horrified, or just uncomfortable.

I have to admit that to this day that when in certain type of stairway... I am prone to yelling : DETECTIVE!!!! (Especially if in knowing & appreciative company)

I remember when I went to see this in the theater, I saw a friend of mine coming out of a previous screening. I asked him how it was and he was utterly speechless and haunted. He didn't say one word.

very impressed how quickly you found out who was Wrath :D

Absolutely one of my favorite movies of all time, and glad to have come across this channel to find reactors who DON'T talk throughout the movie the entire time, watching movies at home is different from at the cinema where you can voice what you're thoughts are during certain scenes, but for me, I'll never understand why so many big and small channels feel the need to narrate/talk during the whole movie/show that they've never seen before, I guess they feel they're being entertaining, but of course they miss things because they were talking. Anyhow, great reaction to a timeless classic, SUBBED! 👍

Y’all HAVE to react to “12 Monkeys”!

"We're gonna watch Seven" So you have chosen the heart of darkness.

To answer the question on lawyers: it is their legal obligation to provide defense and not sabotage the case. Failure to do so can result in a mistrial, especially if it is obvious they mishandled the case because they didn't like their client/didn't believe in their innocence. They are also not allowed to lie if they have knowledge of legal guilt; they only need to combat false evidence. They cannot offer evidence they know is false, so they can't lie on behalf of their client. There should be no moral conflict because the evidence will show their client is guilty and they are just guiding the process along to its final verdict.

Lawyer's responsibility is to the law,, so they will just make sure that the law is followed correctly, and the prosecution follows the correct procedures

I taught at a private school that had a minister who taught a course on ethics and morality, and he would always show this film as part of his course. Still a brilliantly constructed film...

Defence attorneys absolutely put their best effort into defending their clients. I once heard it explained by a deffence attourney that the point that you start making your own judgement on a case is the point that you lose objectivity. If you can't be objective you can't do your job. If you can't do your job then eventually someone who actually is innocent may suffer because of that. Also it's important to note that not having an effective defence is grounds for appeal. If you can prove that your defence was incompetent it can result in a conviction being quashed.

that was my EXACT same reaction when i watched this movie for the first time, that movie's so messed up but truly a masterpiece at the same time. and that "I need to go watch something happy now" though 😂💀

The movie that asked the infamous question, "What's in the Box?!" You'll start noticing how big of a pop culture reference it is. It's been used in a lot of other movies and shows since.

RE: Defense Lawyers - If they don't do the best they can, the case can be appealed and the attorney might be disbarred. It's basically malpractice. There's a series of books bu Michael Connelly about "The Lincoln Lawyer" (the title of the first book), who is a defense lawyer in modern L.A. In the first few books, he explains the mindset of the defense attorney. Basically, the system doesn't work unless both side try their best, and if the system doesn't work the best it possibly can, then it doesn't work at all. Throughout the series, the Main character (Mickey Haller) does have to defend some guilty people.

I'm not necessarily a negative person but it was just so oddly refreshing to see a not so happy ending that wasn't strictly a horror film. I grew up in the 80's where happy endings were compulsory so to see a mainstream thriller just give you the most downbeat ending ever but still blow me away was a great lesson to learn

The police captain is played by the same guy who plays the drill instructor Hartman in Full Metal Jacket, R. Lee Ermey. Definitely another film worth the watch.

One of the best movie of all time imo, superb story telling, superb acting, superb cinematography, it's just perfect...

This best aspect of this movie for me is the fact that you never see the tortures, it just let's your imagination fill in the picture

Thank you both for watching/reacting to this incredible film. Despite the heavy subject matter this will always be a truly epic film of the genre. I had to see it twice at the theater in fall '95. I hope the two of of you, Simone in particular, were okay afterwards. Please consider another film from the same director, ZODIAC (2007).

"I'd probably go for thigh..." That seemed to come out of nowhere. Am I a horrible person for laughing uncontrollably?

One of the most disturbing films, like Saw and Hostel disturbing (and they came after). But if you are movie watcher/fan, it's unfortunately a must watch film.

"Cape fear" with Nick Nolte and De Niro will answer your question about having a lawyer doing his job or fumbling on purpose

One of my favourite movies of all time. It is amazing!

"What's in the box?"

You can see the removal of the fingerprints in the opening sequence @2:31. So that is why they don't find prints @20:15.

I watched this in a theater when it came up. It haunted me many days after...

I really like that you had no clue about the surprise…made for a very good and genuine reaction.

Best reaction I've ever seen to this film. Great job, guys.

Sloth is the most horrific death in any movie I've ever seen

"i'm speechless" Yeah man. I saw this at the cinema and I was staring, slack jawed at the screem for such a huge part of the movie that I hardly touched my coke and popcorn.

Re: Lawyers... a lawyer can be disbarred if it's discovered they didn't defend a client using all available means and thoroughly ... judges will scrutinize lawyers and charge them if they think they are slacking, even with creeps and monsters. Presumed innocence is very important for the system to work and not slip into a corrupt state.

Great reaction as always, guys. I would recommend you to watch the techno-thriller, Mr Robot. It is an underrated thriller masterpiece.

I think, David Fincher is one of my top 3 all time favorite movie directors working today! I loved almost every movie, he´s made and he made A LOT that I´ve seen..........

Please react to Shutter Island if you haven't seen it.. One of Scorcese's best..

In the states, an atty has to give their client the best legal representation possible, lest they risk disbarment, regardless of how horrendous and disgusting the crimes are. When this movie came out, it was a wild assertion that the activity of certain library books would be tracked and recorded. Now, just 25-ish years later, we all know and accept that everything we do is logged. Wild.

1:03 Simone (all giggly) "It's a thriller... Is it scary ?" Se7ven: Oh my sweet summer child 22:03 Simone (less giggly) "I'm gonna throw up"

They kept Spacey's name completely out of the marketing, and out of the opening credits. For TV spots, they even altered his voice when you hear him on the 911 call. Spacey had just had his big breakout with The Usual Suspects earlier in the year, and there was already Oscar buzz around his performance, so it was felt that if people knew he was in it, they'd be waiting for him to show up, and they'd figure out he was playing they killer right away. That's why his credit is the first to come up at the end. That's his delayed opening credit. Luckily, the worldwide web was barely in its infancy, and you could still keep something like that under wraps.

One of the best opening credits of all time. Actually using a razor blade on the film is just top class.

O.J's lawyers knew he was guilty & they got him acquitted.

To answer your question about defense attorney's "throwing a case", it can result in convictions being overturned or be grounds for a new trial. It also can result in sanctions against the lawyer or disbarment (the revocation of their license to practice law). What the lawyer was doing in that scene technically was extortion, and could be grounds for disbarment. He was leveraging bad press and political fallout against the police as bargaining chip to serve his client...regardless of how shady it was or how guilty his client was. It's brilliant writing! This is such a great movie

That dinner scene always makes me laugh every time I see it. It’s a brief moment of humanity in a movie that is absolutely horrifying. Edit: The Jodie Foster reference was referring to John Hinckley Jr who believed assassinating then President Ronald Reagan would impress actress Jodie Foster, with whom he had developed an erotomaniac obsession.

People who saw the movie when it came out understood why Brad Pit's character pronounced Marquis de Sade "Marquis de Sharday"--he was a smooth operator.

Great film, great reaction. Bleak and dark but amazing film and performances. Keep it up guys, always happy to see new uploads from you two!

31:15 - "The bad guy wins." Sorry but that line made me laugh. You so perfectly summed up the entire movie in 4 simple words. Thanks for another incredible review. Love your reviews.

Kudos to George for calling that Mills is wrath, half way in the movie!

When you guessed if Brad Pitt was going to be wrath, and I could tell that you weren't really figuring it out it was just a solid guess but it really made me think that you guys are pretty smart. And it also tells me that movies like The Sixth Sense do such a good job of subverting expectations cuz if you guys can watch it and not figure out the ending then they did a good job because you guys start breaking down stuff in these movies and you come so close or hit the nail on the head with your assessments but I can tell you still don't know you guys are just guessing but this part of me is thinking oh my God you guys are figuring it out

Maybe someone already pointed it out, but Marquis de Sade was a 18th (not 16th) century French nobleman and part of the libertine philosophical movement, which included other historical celebrities like John Wilmot and Giacomo Casanova. There's a great movie about de Sade from 2000 called Quills.

Anytime anyone ever says "What's in the box?" in any situation and totally unrelated context, I can't help but think, "Gwyneth Paltrow's head" lol

I love how John Doe reveals himself early in the film as the photographer but Mills is so emotional ( exactly what John Doe is counting on in the end of the film ) to notice.

"no war" "just a thriller" Watching this reaction is going to be a treat

As far as I know (which is not a lot) a lot of defense lawyers on brutal cases like this just try to go for insanity or justification of the crimes to lessen the sentence