Just had my 2017 rxp x 300 supercharger fail with 55 hours on it. Couldn't afford to have a shop fix it due to being laid off because of covid 19. Thanks to your channel I believe I can dig into it myself. Thank you.
Definitely sadness but this is why I love 3ftDeep, the depth (no pun) and detail. That and I clearly need a cordless hammer still. GL and looking fwd to next vid.
I have a broken crankshaft on the same motor so this is reassuring that the tear down steps are the same as what I did. Haha. Looking forward to the next few videos.
Love your videos. I got a 05 GTX that only has 32 hours on it. It sat for 12 years not used. Runs great. Im debating rebuilding the supercharger though because of the horror stories I hear.
If I were you I wouldn’t even start my machine without rebuilding the supercharger. We tore apart one guy’s engine that was destroyed because although he knew of the issues he “wanted to go on one more ride …” Don’t do it!
@@3ftDeepChannel I will order the stuff tonight to do it! I got till may to get it done. Any other common issues or upgrades I can do at the same time for a 05 GTX?
I would pull the pump, open up the plastic cone and check the grease for any oil intrusion. I’d also plan on replacing the grease. I’d also check the carbon ring. With that few hours it’s not likely to be too worn, but after rides check for water intrusion into the hull as the older ones would deform a bit over time and start leaking. If your model has the internal intercooler, you should know that they were known to leak over time. Check the oil for any water intrusion (milky appearance) right away. After your first (short) ride check the oil again for any sign of water. If so it could be your internal intercooler. Our “how to buy a used PWC” video may also help a bit. Good luck!
Can’t wait for part 2 have a scarab jet boat twin 250 and the starboard supercharger blew up only 134hrs on the Engines BRP recommend rebuilding the supercharger at 200hrs which I was nowhere near the 200 hr mark anyways BRP system shows my vin has 3 year warranty but I bought at 3+2 year at the Toronto boat show
Yamaha engines are a bit different than Sea-Doo engines. Your life will always be simpler with a normally aspirated engine. Check out one of our earlier videos where we tear into a Yamaha engine to see the difference. Thanks for your comment.
Awesome teardown! Do you think SeaDoo does Research & Development or builds junk that makes you want to throw it away. 1 bearing=100 new parts to change in whole engine. Stay w/ 2 stroke
The problem was the ceramic supercharger washers they used in earlier models (ending in 2007). Since then, they've used metal supercharger washers that haven't been a problem. Only issue between 2008 and 2015 is that you need to rebuild the superchargers periodically. The 300 hp models have beefier superchargers and the claim is they don't need rebuilding now at all, but we'll see ...
Man, I wish I was mechanically knowledgable like this. Did you learn this over time, or are you a mechanic? I'm sure I can take it all apart, but would be terrified to try to put it all back together! I'd love to hear your background.
Learned over time. Chris is an electrician by trade, but a power sports enthusiast who's been working on his own cars, motorbikes and personal watercraft for decades.
Ok so from a dirtbike guy I understand jet skis and how it's fun to ride them but damn guys look before you turn. Almost had 2 collisions with jet skis over weekend but I was paying attention watching them as they were not and decided to cut across right infront of me causing me to kill the power so we wouldn't hit and then look at me like it's my fault.
You've hit the nail on the head. Just yesterday at the lake I was talking about the dangers of these machines while the kids had them out on the lake. The number one threat is people "turning without looking". They're so maneuverable and fast you get into trouble in a split second. The other big problem is people not understanding that without a keel you need power to steer. When they see danger the first reaction is to let off the throttle, but then you lose your steering. Thanks for your comment.
No wonder shop charge so much, so many many hours, plus that doesn’t even included parts. That doesn’t even include the liability or re using shit that “looked good” but failed 1 month after the repair.
My 215 rxp had a supercharger rebuild at 100 hours it’s at 177 now seems to be running sweet as when should I bother to check it I’m confident to go past 200 runs absolutely no problem at all
Depending on when you had it rebuilt, it should last you about 200 hours. It’s not only about hours, though. Rebuilds only last about 5 years, so if you’re much beyond that even with low hours, it’s time for a rebuild. Safe riding.
I just bought a 215HP supercharged 2007 180 Challenger boat engine that has never been used. The guy bought it and never put it in the water, pretty good chance that I was the first to start the engine. Is there an immediate need to service the supercharger just because of the age?
What's the best place to purchase parts from? Have to do this on a 2006 RXP i just bought and didn't realize how in depth my issue was. Rebuilt the supercharger (after failure) and ran it some more and had a second failure within hours. I'm guessing all have way more to replace based on two supercharger failures worth of metal going through the engine.
We get most of our engine parts through SBT. We also check Amazon and eBay for the parts we need. Sea-Doo has parts diagrams for each machine so you can get the part numbers for your model there. Good luck!
From your movies (that are great) it seems that jetski's engine broke, is breaking now or it is going to break tommorow. I am thinking about buying a jetski - are there engines that don't break or is it just amount of work/money put into them (maintenance) or just luck?
In our experience, the Sea-Doo engines are very reliable and only break when the owners don’t take proper care of them. Yamaha engines, however, fail regularly due to cracked cylinder heads (SVHO models). If you want a “bullet-proof” engine that is unlikely to fail if taken proper care of, I’d get a naturally-aspirated Sea-Doo engine (i.e. 170 HP or less). Good luck and thanks for the kind words.
Considering a used 2019 Wake Pro 230 with 90 hours on it, but worried about potential damage from the supercharger that the previous owner didn’t know about - do you know anything about the durability of these newer supercharged engines, or if they require the same routine maintenance/rebuild the older versions did (i.e. every 100 hours)? Thanks!
The newer ones are a bit more robust so I doubt there has been any engine damage from a 2019 model. The dealers normally say to rebuild them every 200 hours or so, but we do ours at 150 hours, just to be safe. The kits are about USD $350, and expect about 3 hours labor. Jerry from Greenhulk.net used to rebuild them for about USD $80 labor (you supply the kit), so you might want to check his service out. On the Wake Pro check the oil filter for metal flakes, and the compression, too if you can. Good luck.
Hmm, good question. The ceramic washer issue had been resolved by 2013, but the question is regarding the bearings. They can be compromised over time and considering how fast your supercharger spins, small flaws can become big issues. If it were our machine and we were going to keep it, we would rebuild the supercharger. Also, make sure the intercooler is not leaking, as they can develop pinholes. Good luck!
@@3ftDeepChannel I think I'll send mine in. About intercooler.... I wonder....The previous owner said intercooler was replaced last season. What do you mean sir by "Pinholes" should I be worried? Please respond!
Some of the cooling fins inside the intercooler were known to leak water through small pinholes. The watery air would then be blown into the engine and mix with the oil. If yours was replaced last year, I wouldn’t worry about it. Always keep an eye out for water intrusion into the oil though, as this is good practice. Good luck with your new machine.
should i buy a pair of 05-06 rxt supercharged with 240/280 hours with a flyboard included for around 6k ?? They look to be in good shape.. he said last time they serviced the superchargers was around 4yrs ago.. ?
Those machines are quite old. I wouldn’t recommend getting anything that old unless you’re a mechanic or have excellent mechanical skills. Repairs on those machines are quite expensive, and they could have a lot of issues that are not readily apparent (intercoolers leaking, head gaskets failing, etc.).
I just did a rebuild on my engine similar issue. Just can’t to start after a rebuild. It ran before I took it apart. Any ideas? Spark and fuel are there. It turns and all just wont start.
May I ask? Is there any way to take a supercharged 1503 ACE and tune it down to NA 1503? Or that requires fuel remap other then charger port block off. Secondly what is your opinion on WSM rebuild kits, they are about $100 less then OEM and come with steel clutch washers. Service mechanics will tell me no no they won't even touch the unit if it has aftermarket rebuild kit. I know metallurgy enough that slight difference in quality of steel multiplied by 40-50k RPM then converted to angular momentum on the shaft yeelds much higher numbers and less then perfect cristlatus of steal components under pressure and temperature can easily crack and come apart, but are third party SC kits truly that unreliable and risky or is it just an up sell tactic. I've changed an IAC valve to a third party brand for $40 while oem is $250 and so far it works just as good. I guess only time will tell but $40 vs $250 that is reasonable risk, while gamble on WSM SC kit is too risky so i ask your advice.
I wouldn't recommend trying to tune it down. As you suggest, there are a few tweaks to the engine system that would confound that sort of change. We've always used the OEM rebuild kits as we don't have the same level of confidence in non-OEM products ...especially when it comes to a supercharger that can spin up to 40,000 RPM. Considering how much damage a failed supercharger can cause, it's just not worth it. Good luck!
@@godfatherstilllives5327 The earlier models had issues with ceramic washers failing. 2008 and later that problem was solved, but they needed rebuilding every 150 to 250 hours (depending on who you talk to), at a cost of about US$600 parts and labor. The beefed-up superchargers on the 300 models are not supposed to be maintenance (and rebuild) - free. We'll need to see if that's actually true ...
do you have to remove the engine to change the washers? My dad has a 215 2014 with close to 200hrs on it. the manual says replace every 200hrs. Can this be done by a capable novice mechanic or do you need special tools and fixtures?
We removed the engine because when the supercharger failed, it released metal parts into the engine and therefore needed repair. You can rebuild the supercharger by removing it from the engine. It's only attached with a few screws, but one of them is very difficult to get to, so needs a special tool (about $25) to access it with. We show you how to rebuild a supercharger on this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--yahRa6_siA.html. Good luck.
Like always great vide's you make. I have the new sea Doe 2012 260 I was told and the book say's to overhaul the turbo charger in two hundred hours . Also the turbo charge's are different on the new ski's This ski only 100 not that much time. I also notice lots of corrosion on everything. I guess it the environment it's operating in? I'm in fresh water always so no corrostion. Great job enjoy your video. Sorry to see that he ran into these problems but when you go Turbo charge you run into problems. I don't know now days cars are going into eco boost don't know if thats good or not, Andor.
We live on the coast, so do lots of salt water riding. Salt water eats away at the metal like acid. That's why we always need to rinse our engine compartment with fresh water after every salt water ride. Just for clarity, our machines have superchargers not turbo chargers. The new Sea-Doos also have "Eco" mode, which does improve gas mileage quite a bit. Thanks for your comment, Andor.
Thank you I chck my out sorry thank you for pointing it out. I thought about the corrosion I wonder if spraying the engine parts inside with WD-40 might help. I as shocked that much corrosion in salt water watch your video with only 100 hours engine but salt water is hard on stuff.
I would love to talk to you and pick your brain for like 5 minutes. I found your video crazy helpful. But I found a sensor underneath the flywheel.... Along with flattened out supercharger gear parts. Where does this sensor go?
Thanks for the kind words. We always suggest getting yourself a digital copy of a Service Manual for your specific year, make and model when doing extensive work on your machine. Our videos can only help so much. Good luck.
The superchargers in 2007 and earlier models should be rebuilt immediately, if they haven't been rebuilt already. The superchargers in more recent models should be rebuilt every 175 hours or so. The engines shouldn't need rebuilding for well over a decade if you look after it.
@@3ftDeepChannel hello, how do you feel about the 2 years mandatory rebuild even if the engine sat for years and has only 40 ish hours. Asking for 2013 4-tec gtx . Thank you for all your amazing educational videos.
I'm currently pulling down my 2006 Sportster. Brought it with a knackered Supercharger. It looks like the gear end of the charger has been grinding away a bit the inter block near the cam chain tensioner general area. I can't see how that could happen unless the S-charger was somehow loose? There's some aluminum swarf in the pickup filter. Have you ever seen that sort of damage before? There's no damage to the Stator I'm figuring on taking the head off to check for cylinder scoring. Wondering how far I need to go, if the pumps look ok and bores are clean? Like to have the thing back in the water before the end of summer (begining of Sept up here in the far north!). Can always pull it down in the winter months I guess.. ha ha..
Those superchargers (until 2008) were notorious for having ceramic washer failure. At the very least it needs rebuilding. It’s hard to say how far you need to go in the engine, until you determine if the washers are destroyed. The bearings are also known to fail, and those can do serious damage. Good luck!
Hello 3ftdeep I’m having the same issue on my 2008 speedster only 48hr took the supercharger out and only 2 ceramic washers are gone, rest of washers are good bearings are still attached...what do U recommend I should do??? The oils filter only had 1 tinny piece of metal...
Well, best practises state that you should take the engine apart and look for any damage and replace those components. But it really depends on how much do you want to spend on a 12-year-old machine. I would feel more confident if you found more of the washers in your oil filters. Those pieces have to be in there somewhere.
People still thinking that the yamaha vs seadoo debacle is still a thing. Back when yamaha ruled the scene and seadoo built shitty quality watercraft, it was yamaha all day. But now seadoo makes better, faster, and more luxurious craft so its not relevant anymore.
Any suggestions on cleaning up a paper towel that ( Somehow) got left in the motor. Oil pressure is only hitting 30 when revving maybe 5 @ idle. Paper Towel debris in oil filter.
Yikes. Debris has likely plugged the oil pump screen and oil filter. Gold standard would be to take the engine apart and thoroughly flush it. If it were me I would first replace the oil and oil filter and see what that does. Then remove and clean the oil pump screen and see how that helps. If that doesn’t fix it, time for a teardown. If it does fix it, I would still change the oil two three times with a cheap oil to flush it well. Good luck!
@@3ftDeepChannel Thank You for the info So cleaning both screens it should be fine without flushing oil channels or complete break down I am hoping also paper towel shouldn't damage oil pumps correct? I was pretty mad when I realized what had happened, but time to fix it. Thanks again.
I think the only way it would be worth putting in 100 hours labor plus parts into an rxpx would be if the price of a new one wasn't so close to the total cost of the repair. Any layman tries to do this and 99 percent positive it would never be put back together again. And at a shop good luck getting out of there for less than 10k usd
Yeah, and thats not even the shop overcharging you, any less it probably not worth touching for them. But imagine spending 10k on an outdated ski? Dumd decision for sure.
Well, in fairness I guess they didn't really expect parts of their supercharger washers and bearings to go flying into their engine. Problem solved, so not necessary now.
hi I have a 2017 yamaha GP 1800 with only 21h, a friend of mine suggested that I should put 2 stroke oil in the gas tank to help lubricate the engine, supposedly it helps the engine last longer. My friend said he has been doing for years on his multiple pwcs. What do you guys think?
3ftDeep copy that By the way I was thinking of adding a stage one plus kit from rivaracing which consist of small mods like reflashing the ECU, cool air intake sponsons etc. However I am concerned with the longevity effect of boosting the engine? And Will I notice a significant difference in the performance?
My feeling is as long as you're not increasing the maximum revs in your modifications, you're usually safe. By flashing your ECU, etc., however, you may void your warranty. So something to think about with newer machines. Also, some mods give you very little performance boost relative to the cost. In some machines you can get an extra 5 mph or so by overriding the speed limiter. As SCOMs are only a few hundred dollars, I think that's one of the best bangs for your buck. Good luck.
I prefer closed. We strongly believe that the 3 newer model Yamaha Waverunners that had engine cracks resulted from poor cooling. Sometimes we run our machines hard through shallow water that is relatively warm, and we think improper cooling caused the Yamaha engines to crack (all within 12 months!). None of the Sea-Doos had any problems running them the same way. Thanks for your comment.
Great video, I watched it about 6 times. My2007 rxp 215 supercharger went out @ 101 hrs before i had a chance to rebuild it. From what I can tell no metal shavings just aluminum powder. I pulled the filter and a small amount of dust was in there. I pulled the screens and I feel like a triple oil change / flush may be enough. Do you still recommend a full tear down for the aluminum dust?
It really depends on what you found missing in your supercharger when you tore it apart. Best practises say you should dig into the engine, but if you feel the oil filters picked up the debris before it went through the engine, then I personally wouldn’t bother with a teardown.
Well if it’s still running OK, the pieces may have been picked up by the oil pump screen without doing too much (noticeable) damage. When extensive damage occurs, it usually results in catastrophic failure. It can be much worse when the supercharger bearings fail, too. If I were you I’d keep an eye on its performance and don’t dismiss any strange sounds, overheating, etc. I’d also avoid taking it for long trips far from shore. In other words, I’d use it but I’d always be suspicious of it. For example, there may be damage to your oil pumps which may not efficiently circulate the engine oil. Good luck.
@@3ftDeepChannel thanks for the rapid response. I didn’t find anything in the oil or filter and only 1 washer was gone. I’m getting it rebuilt. I just bought 2 2007’s. 1 has 46hrs and 1 58hrs but getting them both rebuilt. The superchargers rebuilt
We never reuse stretch bolts, so we buy new ones whenever we take an engine apart. If you can find a service manual for your machine it'll show which ones to replace, and the torque specs. If you're using the same engine, we have another video elsewhere in our playlist that shows more detail. Good luck.
There can be a performance drop, noise, etc. But the most significant is when your engine starts failing because supercharger parts have gone into it. This is of particular concern in machines with >175 hours on the supercharger, and in 2007 and earlier models that have ceramic washers in the superchargers.
Hey I just wanted to ask a question so I have an 03 gtx supercharged and I can tell by other videos my supercharger doesn’t seem to make no where near as much noice as other do you know what can cause that I have rebuilt the supercharger and I don’t know what is going on. thanks
There is a system you can attach to your supercharger to measure it, but before you go there what top speed and RPM are you getting? How long does it take you to get to top speed?
For a 2003 machine, it appears to be working normally. The rev limiter is actually set to 7200+/- 50 RPM, and if I recall the top speed is about right, too. If you want to maximize the performance of your machine, make sure your impeller is in great shape and your wear ring clearance is 1.0 mm or less. If your wear ring clearance is more than that you may get more power by replacing the wear ring. If your impeller is worn or damaged, it can be renewed at Impros. Good luck.
Sorry, we just work on our own machines (or the machines of our friends, etc.) so they all go back into the boat when we're done. Try SBT (www.shopsbt.com/). Good luck.
@@3ftDeepChannel I was always told it was from keeping on the throttle while airborne over waves, then biting the props back into the water shocked the ceramic. I've only owned Kawasaki and Yamaha skis, so I do not have personal knowledge of them
Definitely that aggravates the problem, but that wasn't the case here. Our advice is, if you've got a pre-2008 supercharger that hasn't been rebuilt, time to rebuild. The bearings can also fail with time, so the supercharger needs rebuilding for that reason between 150 and 200 hrs, depending on the year. The 2016 to 2018 models don't require a rebuild in the 300 models, according to Sea-Doo. Thanks for your comment.
You mean to tell me if you severely neglect a ski, then an internal engine part fails, and you continue to use it. Even more shit gets broken? Are you sure about this? Seems highly unlikely...........that people are surprised by this.
Even if the ski isn't neglected, the superchargers in some of the older models are prone to failure. If they don't know about the issue regarding the ceramic supercharger washers, they can't really be blamed for the failure.
You'd need quite a bit. Probably new fuel injectors, impeller, external intercooler, etc. In our opinion it's not worth the expense and effort. If you need to upgrade, better to sell your machine and buy a new one.
No. They stopped using the ceramic washers around 2007/08. In fact, the 300s have a much "beefier" supercharger, which BRP claims doesn't need servicing at all. But we'll see.
I have the same exact year and it has around 35 hours now. I’ve read lots about the ceramic washers being an issues on these but what’s the best way to check and see if they’re replaced? Do I have to take the supercharger off or can I somehow tell without doing so? Also what’s a good way to check the supercharger to make sure it’s good and tight? I’m new to jet skis and bought this with 27 hours on it.
"We're gonna check a few things". (Disassembles entire engine). 🤯 What's the point of having 3 oil filters, if the pump will still self destruct anyway?! I'll never bad-mouth my D.I. again. 😅
@@3ftDeepChannel no doubt. 🤔 Would you expect a turbo ski from the same era, to be more or less reliable that the supercharger? As far as frequency of required maintenance.
They didn’t come with turbos, only superchargers. It was the ceramic washers they put in the superchargers for a few years that created the problem. It was fixed completely in the 2008 and newer years when they went back to using the steel washers.
@@3ftDeepChannel well somebody made turbos. Honda maybe? I can't remember. Most of my time is spent with outboards and I/Os. (Where I can actually fit my hand into places!) 🤣.
We’re not familiar with the prices in your area, but most 2010 Sea-Doo models are selling for about USD $4,000 in our area. Good luck with your search.
Hopefully just an improperly replaced dipstick. Could also be that the O-rings that keep it in place have failed. Those are probably your two best possibilities.
Check for coolant or water in your engine oil. Look for any sort of milky appearance. Extra volume with your oil could cause the pressure to increase. Good luck.
