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The Atheist Experience 26.24 for June 12, 2022 with Secular Rarity and Dave Warnock.
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@amtlpaul 2 года назад

Pregnancy is a tremendous burden and can be a hazard. I applaud anyone who willingly goes through nine months of that and through the trials of childbirth, but I have no respect for wanting to force someone to.

@christiananderson4909 2 года назад

Well said.

@John-uk8eo 2 года назад

Anyone who holds to idea that pregnancy is a hazard is incredibly disingenuous. I have no respect for comparing natural biology with smoking.

@amtlpaul 2 года назад

@@John-uk8eo Wow, "pregnancy is not the same as smoking, therfore it cannot be a health hazard" is possibly your most stupid argument yet. Tobacco is a natural substance, by the way, and cancer is a natural process. The fact is, before modern medicine child birth tended to be the leading cause of death among women of child bearing age.

@christiananderson4909 2 года назад

@@John-uk8eo John, you have no idea, nor do you care, what pregnancy does to a woman's body.

@John-uk8eo 2 года назад

@@christiananderson4909 I understand that this is a red herring. Nothing you say offers a justification for murder.

@rayxav 2 года назад

I’ve said it before: if you don’t want to have an abortion, DONT HAVE ONE. If you want ever child conceived to be born, then YOU need to work your ass off so you can adopt as many of them as possible.

@John-uk8eo 2 года назад

Likewise if you support abortion rights then you should volunteer to pay for all the abortions that poor women who want one but can't afford. That means 100% of the total cost out of pocket coming from you. No outside financial assistance of any kind. If you contend that those who oppose abortion should shoulder the financial burden of raising these children... Then you have to shoulder the financial responsibility if paying for any and all abortions that poor women can't afford.

@johnsanders561 2 года назад

I think the Catholic church is drooling over the idea of getting government money to pay for the orphanages so they be able to brainwash, use and abuse these children.

@John-uk8eo 2 года назад

@Jon Clark No, no..... You must bear the financial burden of that which you support (abortions). No tax dollars allowed as that is placing an undue burden on taxpayers to subsidize yet another government program.

@rayxav 2 года назад

@@John-uk8eo strong disagree. As a True Republican (the old “No True Scotsman” fallacy) I believe that each of us should take personal responsibility and ownership of our decisions. If a young lady has sex, becomes pregnant and wishes to keep it, that should be her decision. If she decides not to keep it, again that should be her decision. As a society our general obligation is to provide support “within reason” for both decisions. The child shouldn’t starve if she decides to give birth BUT the woman also shouldn’t have to go into crippling debt if she decides to abort. As a society, we all do better if undereducated/undertrained women are not saddled with children they cannot take care. Worse if the woman is not emotionally capable of sustaining a child. I’m fine with my taxes go toward helping woman afford abortions.

@amtlpaul 2 года назад

@@John-uk8eo Likewise if you want more children brought into the world by force on your behalf, be prepared to pay ALL the costs thereby incurred.

@G_Demolished 2 года назад

If a fetus can override a mother’s bodily autonomy, an infant can override a taxpayer’s desire to not help support it.

@uncleanunicorn4571 2 года назад

It'll government decides it is worthwhile to force women to carry pregnancies against their will, then the government should be completely responsible for the maintenance of those children. That's the only way it could be justified.

@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596 2 года назад

@@uncleanunicorn4571 precisely 🙋🏼‍♀️

@John-uk8eo 2 года назад

@@uncleanunicorn4571 So basically what you want is government programs that control what private citizens can or cannot do?

@christiananderson4909 2 года назад

Nope, sorry. There's no profit in the investment into human life, after it's born. Welcome to America. . .

@John-uk8eo 2 года назад

@@christiananderson4909 Nope sorry... There are plenty of opportunities for children.

@dianahill5116 2 года назад

One of the main reasons the government, military, law enforcement and judiciary system have allowed religion; is because what ever laws, rules and regulations these organizations could not impose on men, women and children religious laws, rules and regulations would. When people stop obeying, enrolling, teaching, learning, supporting, promoting, participating and funding religion; religion will cease to exist.

@walnutoil100 2 года назад

Your evidence is? When people stop obeying, enrolling, teaching, learning, supporting, promoting, participating and funding atheism; atheism will cease to exist.

@2l84me8 2 года назад

A fetus does not get human rights, let alone special rights to violate someone’s bodily autonomy.

@John-uk8eo 2 года назад

Why are you opposed to human rights?

@joehorn1762 2 года назад

@@John-uk8eo learn how to read troll.

@2l84me8 2 года назад

@@John-uk8eo I’m not but apparently you are. Why should a fetus get more rights over a human being?

@John-uk8eo 2 года назад

@@2l84me8 Protecting the life of an innocent human being is not an example of "getting more rights" Rather it is an example of providing 14th amendment protections. So in reality it is those who support abortion who want special rights. That is the entire focus of the left wing.

@2l84me8 2 года назад

@@John-uk8eo No, you are attempting to award a parasitic entity special rights by violating an unwilling recipient’s bodily autonomy. All the word salad in the world is not going to justify your ignorance nor irrelevant interference into someone else’s life.

@gabehcuod7017 2 года назад

Sebastian is not "pro-life", he's anti-choice.

@walnutoil100 2 года назад

No you are pro infanticide and pro sociopathy

@freddan6fly 2 года назад

As they all are. Anti-choice is a deeply immoral position based on the religious assertment that women are property.

@solly119119 2 года назад

Agree. I never call abortion opponents "pro-life".

@valivali8104 2 года назад

More like anti-women...

@thefub101 2 года назад

Forced-birth is more apt imo. Pro-life would be a supporter of universal health care for example.

@KellyDVance Год назад

"Right after I was born I needed my mother." No, no he did not. Right after I gave birth I was physically and mentally incapable of caring for my infant. (They had given me an anti nausea drug that knocked me completely out.) And even after my husband was just as capable of caring for her as I was (I barely produced any milk) so, no, the mother isn't needed.

@jimmymags6516 8 дней назад

But an adult is needed to sustain the child's life , correct ?

@KellyDVance 8 дней назад

@@jimmymags6516 I'm guessing from my comment, from a year ago, that the argument made was an infant requires a mother to survive post partum. Not any adult, just the mother. So, without going back and rewatching the video, I'm going to say that you aren't addressing the argument being made.

@jimmymags6516 8 дней назад

@@KellyDVance So you agree that a baby needs an adult to survive

@KellyDVance 8 дней назад

@@jimmymags6516 I never said it didn't. But you seem to be ignoring the argument presented in the video in favor of one you want to shift it to. And you are being very clumsy about it. But if you really want to get into it, fine. Define adult. There are cases where children, by our standards, have kept an infant alive in extremely difficult circumstances, such as 13y/o Lesly Jacobombaire Mucutuy who kept herself and her 3 siblings, including the infant Cristin, alive after a plane crash in the Amazon Jungle for 40 days.

@jimmymags6516 6 дней назад

@@KellyDVance I was disagreeing with the viability argument . Which denies the fetus of all rights until it can survive outside the womb . My argument is that even a small child can't survive outside the womb , so can we kill them ? You responded with , can I define what an adult is , and a story of a 13 yr old who fed 3 kids in the Rain forrest after a plane crash . Well an adult is a fully grown , responsible human being . And the 13 year old child was able to sustain those children because an adult put food on the plane before take off . The point is " viability " , and body autonomy are terrible arguments for killing your unborn child .

@RalphJBater 2 года назад

so if a homeless person breaks into Sebastian's house on a below freezing day... and Sebastian comes home to find him there, Sebastian must allow the homeless person to stay in his house because removing the homeless person from his home would be an "act of commission" on his part that could lead to the homeless person being harmed or even dying...

@TornadoCAN99 2 года назад

Also, if I need a liver/kidney/lung/heart/stem cell transplant and Seb is a good match, he must relinquish any or all of those needed tissues to me for my survival.

@WayneLynch69 2 года назад

I didn't watch any of it; seen the "f thermodynamics, we've got our own creation myth" s**t. BUUTTT, it's fn great to saddle a surprised baby daddy with news that he's absolutely committed now to 18 years of child support..."NO CHOICE FOR U"!! And stare decisis is moving towards liability for college expenses as the father's also. "SURPRISE...NO CHOICE FOR YOU!!" HOW is it possible for anyone to be so ignorant as to fail to realize that in 2020 alone ,3,060,462 U.S. fathers were forced responsiblity for child support. DID YOU NOT SEE "CHOICE" IN THAT SENTENCE...FINALLY. ( and I'm NOT one forced to provide child-support)

@John-uk8eo 2 года назад

So would I be correct in stating that you are assigning personhood to a baby growing in the womb? Because the baby is the result of choices that the mother and father made. So a more appropriate example would be. So if a woman and her one night stand/boyfriend/husband invite a homeless person to stay there for a agreed to period of say (nine months). Would they be able to kick out the homeless person 1 month, 2 months, or 3 months later? Seriously did you just compare pregnancy to breaking and entering?

@RalphJBater 2 года назад

@@John-uk8eo ... the personhood question is irrelevant to me, for me the question is totally about bodily autonomy.... the woman does not want the fetus in her body plain and simple... if it is NOT a person, the fetus has no rights and her rights to an abortion prevail... if it IS a person, it still has no right to use someone else's body against their will... The analogy of the homeless person had nothing to do with equating pregnancy to breaking and entering, it was a contrary scenario to the "act of commission" argument put forth by the caller with the "reverse violinist" position that the problem with abortion not being that the woman HAS to use her body to provide for the fets but that the termination of the pregnancy is an ACTIVE participation resulting in the death of the fetus.... in other words, kicking the fetus out of her womb results in its death... just as kicking the homeless person out of your house in freezing temperatures could result in their death....BOTH examples are correlated in one person (the woman/homeowner) kicking another unwanted person (the fetus/the homeless person) out of their shelter (the woman's womb/the homeowner's home) resulting in the death of the unwanted person.... As to your notion that sex is an invitation to be pregnant for nine months (have someone live in your house for nine months) the analogy does not hold because prior to fertilization (which takes place AFTER the sex) there is NOTHING (no zygote, embryo, fetus, PERSON - pick your favorite word) to EXTEND AN INVITATION TO.... pregnancy may be a consequence of sex, but sex is NOT a consent to pregnancy... breaking your leg may be a consequence of skiing, but just because you CHOSE to go skiing does not mean that you just have to suffer a broken leg, you go receive medical care... and if the consequence of sex is unwanted pregnancy you also go receive medical care

@RalphJBater 2 года назад

@@John-uk8eo but here is a question for you: would you be prepared right now to agree that we should have an open vote where everyone (of legal age) must state publicly ON RECORD whether they support abortion or not, with the caveat being that if the life of the fetus supercedes the woman's right to bodily autonomy (a woman must use the resources of her body to provide for the life of the developing fetus) than if/when science developes the technology to terminate an unwanted pregnancy while preserving the life of the fetus, the life of the fetus supercedes the PROPERTY RIGHTS of those opposed to abortion and their FINANCIAL resources can be used to provide the technology and medical care needed to bring the fetus to term? In other words, are you Pro-life ONLY so long as the burden for the developing fetus falls on someone else, or are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

@nuoiptertermer4484 2 года назад

The caller said he used to be a former Catholic. I guess he meant he used to be a Catholic or he's a former Catholic. If he used to be a former Catholic, that means he's a Catholic now and was before then stopped being one then became one again.

@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596 2 года назад

To be fair to him, and I am not sure why I would give him such charity, it's possible he misspoke due to being nervous. I think he might also have been trying to separate himself from the label "lapsed Catholic." That is someone who no longer practices Catholicism, but still believes in it.

@kaihedgie1747 2 года назад

Or maybe he never stopped believing and is only lying about being a former Catholic. There's been quite a number of callers here pretending to have formerly been theists...and doing a very poor job of acting like it

@qwadratix 2 года назад

I've had Mexican food that overrode my bodily autonomy.

@TornadoCAN99 2 года назад

I hear they are trying to outlaw self-induced vomiting in such cases. You ate the mexican food, you need to suffer the consequences.

@noskpain2792 2 года назад

I think you had Taco Bell dude

@azayzelderegis1655 Год назад

These comments 😂😂😂 👏

@robertvirnig638 2 года назад

The argument that we are usurping a fetus's rights by abortion should consider that the fetus isn't asking to be born either. Because it doesn't have the capacity to express desires as it doesn't have any of the qualities we would define as human such as consciousness or personal agency even in the most primitive form that we might ascribe to other mammals and many other lower life forms. Should we give human rights to chickens because they have a heartbeat or even special rights that force people to raise chickens against their will?

@WoodDog07 Год назад

I am not against choice, but I don't see this as black and white, your argument would apply to a baby, to someone in coma, or with limited mental capacity

@robertvirnig638 Год назад

@@WoodDog07 I agree with you, this is among the very few moral issues that reasonable people can come to very different conclusions and my opinion has not been consistent over my life. I don't think this one will be solved until technology makes it a nonissue although even then there will be an issue of who will pay to raise fetuses saved this way. I imagine at this point the conservatives will lose interest in saving unborn children.

@bellearmstrong1549 Год назад

Dave Warnock and Secular Rarity are my absolute favorites! I love their calm and kind way of addressing people. They are really good at getting people to rethink their positions and grow.

@jimmymags6516 8 дней назад

So growth = more dead fetuses ?

@drg8687 Год назад

Essentially, what forced birthers are saying is that the moment a woman becomes pregnant, she becomes a slave with almost no rights.

@jimmymags6516 8 дней назад

they're saying , be responsible .

@drg8687 8 дней назад

@@jimmymags6516 no, you are telling people what they can and can't do

@jimmymags6516 8 дней назад

@@drg8687 We tell people what to do all the time . We have laws against murder etc.. So why should we allow women to murder their children ?

@drg8687 8 дней назад

@@jimmymags6516 Fetuses aren't children, they are fetuses. It's not my fault you don't understand basic biology. Also, if you want to go the legal argument. Abortion is legal, so it can't be murder.

@drg8687 8 дней назад

@@jimmymags6516 not with their bodies we don't. There's this thing called body autonomy, except people like you what to take that away when a woman becomes pregnant. Fetuses aren't children, they are fetuses. Get your facts straight, you have no clue what you are talking about. Abortion is the ending of the pregnancy. You don't even know what an abortion is and from a legal standpoint, you clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

@bulkvanderhuge9006 Год назад

Basically every ANTI ABORTIONIST: "I THINK ABORTION SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!!!" Also every Anti Abortionist: "I HAVE NO IDEA WHY ABORTION SHOULD BE ILLEGAL!"

@jimmymags6516 8 дней назад

because abortion is the intentional killing of a human life .

@amtlpaul 2 года назад

Brave Sir Runnie accuses non-believers of being 'obsessed' with death- an odd accusation, since Christianity is built on the idea of overcoming death (death eaters?), of life coming of death. And in this world, life comes out of death in many ways. The living feast on the remains of the dead, and if there is a creator, that appears to be by the creator's design. Hmmm....

@jaflenbond7854 2 года назад

hahahaha, atheists, agnostics and fanatics of all religions are foolish and worthless human beings who'll just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths. Eternal death, just dusts on earth, no immortal souls, no heaven and hellfire, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever for fools, liars, opposers of the Christ's authority and teachings and worshippers of a foolish and stupid God, Satan the Devil. Do you agree with me? If you don't, then, tell me your own ideas, opinions, beliefs and stand about the lives and existence of atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of all religions in the world.

@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596 2 года назад

I see he has deleted his comment thread, yet again.

@amtlpaul 2 года назад

@@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596 Yes, he aborted it

@christiananderson4909 2 года назад

@@amtlpaul Beautiful.

@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596 2 года назад

@@amtlpaul ironic choice of words 🤷🏼‍♀️ I don't know why I bother engaging with those obvious trolls.

@michael.ccrawford7864 2 года назад

That is not a good idea giving something that has no idea they even have a right? It's ludicrous and even more ludicrous suggesting it? Is humanity moronic? Think not for all?

@truthserumbackup4151 2 года назад

If your father wanted a relationship with you, would you not expect this father to pursue you personally instead of having your relatives tell you "Hey, son. Dad wants a relationship with you."? You'd probably think he doesn't because he's so off in his own world, he chose to have people other than himself tell you that he wants you in his life. That's not how it works and I'm sure you know this, too.

@gabehcuod7017 2 года назад

@Ronnie Alexander Like you provided proof for your absurd claim that "everyone believes what you believe", Runnie? Or for your claim that "gods" exist?

@truthserumbackup4151 2 года назад

@@jaflenbond7854 You're wrong. The father refuses to pursue the son.

@truthserumbackup4151 2 года назад

@Ronnie Alexander It is evident. You're blind.

@jaflenbond7854 2 года назад

@Kraig StClair Who is the deadbeat father you're referring to? is it your own father or the father of someone else?

@jaflenbond7854 2 года назад

@@truthserumbackup4151 Who is that son who was refused and rejected by his father?

@powbobs 2 года назад

He’s a Conservative and therefore incapable of rational thought.

@AquaPeet 2 года назад

Secular Rarity is a frikkin good host and a very great interlocutor.

@ericgranberg8893 Год назад

So a woman is forced to carry a fetus to term. Does that require that she do anything at all to help that fetus along? Say she takes thalidomide for cancer, gives birth, and then drops the very likely horribly harmed baby off at her local fire station? Who is responsible for caring for that baby? Sebastian, are you ready to step up?

@ajclements4627 2 года назад

Ronnie deleted his comments again? 😂

@lukewojtanowicz1991 2 года назад

According to the latest videos on his channel, poor Sir Ronald is in danger of homelessness by the end of the month. I'm almost inclined to feel sorry for him, but quite frankly of he took the time he wasted trolling here, and used it to create a Patreon or GoFundMe page, his financial worries would be over.

@jayrose8638 2 года назад

@@lukewojtanowicz1991 has anyone offered him thoughts and prayers. I hear those have a 100% success rate.

@lukewojtanowicz1991 2 года назад

@@jayrose8638 oh, it gets better. Nevermind deleting his own comments, Sir Ronald has only gone and erased everything on his channel, save for a couple of new vids clumsily explaining his unfortunate situation. As if getting rid of his entire collection of tired responses to worn out arguments somehow makes it so they never happened.🤣 Then again, he seems to be under the impression that your 'soul' gets that kind of clean slate treatment when you pledge yourself to Jesus, so...

@elainejohnson6955 11 месяцев назад

Most people who are against Roe v Wade have never even read it. It had different requirements for each trimester of the pregnancy.

@jimmymags6516 8 дней назад

they would still be against ending a life .

@starpenta Год назад

If someone doesn't understand the difference between a baby and a fetus and want to make laws that would force a woman to donate her body into carrying a pregnancy through, then they can F off.

@jimmymags6516 8 дней назад

Or she can be more responsible with her body .

@starpenta 8 дней назад

@@jimmymags6516 🙄 thank you for letting everyone know you're an idiot.

@defenestratefalsehoods 2 года назад

You can force women to have kids but not keep them. Who will take care of all the unwanted children?

@MinaOmega 2 года назад

Thanks for being progressive and making him think.

@doctorshell7118 2 года назад

Well said gentleman.

@fbxx9845 2 года назад

How to force a woman to miscarry/abort. Numbers 5:27-28 NIV 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

@DQ_Mine 2 года назад

What?

@skindred1888 2 года назад

@@DQ_Mine the Bible allows abortion if the husband thinks his wife cheated on him

@zoggdawg8141 2 года назад

Holy crap I forgot that was in the book. Good post.

@fbxx9845 2 года назад

The part "she will become a curse" means she can no longer bear children, which modern abortions don't normally cause. When you think about it, part of a preacher's job is to avoid the messy buybull parts. If you ever have a chance to obtain a full NIV version, I encourage you to get it for such things as telling you to take the babies of your enemies and beat their heads against the rocks.

@brucebaker810 2 года назад

Same trial strategy that led to medieval tests. Do this thing that could kill them. If they live, they're innocent. Death means guilt. Buuut...death was the likeliest result. In this case, they gave the mixture...but no dosage to administer. Just give her "some poison". And figure the result actually connects to guilt.

@ffsno9078 2 года назад

In hospitals the line is like 20 to 22 weeks is the line. Under 22 weeks the tissue goes to pathology over 22 weeks the remains are generally available for the family to take a dispose of (burials or cremation stuff).

@kuromyou7969 2 года назад

Yah, I used to work on surgical pathology and got to sew up a (wanted) baby after the pathology assistant finished the autopsy.

@brucebaker810 2 года назад

If a Republican wakes up and finds that a 5-year-old violinist is attached to his/her wallet (for post-birth support), does said GOPerson have the right to heartlessly cut the cord?

@sophieevans4620 Год назад

Can I have the link Secular Rarity mentioned with the medical professionals discussing abortion?

@Seticzech 2 года назад

If fetuses can override mothers' bodily autonomy then traders on black market with organs can override anti-choice supporters' bodily autonomy as well. Same situation, same "reasoning".

@annk.8750 Год назад

There is one undeniable fact about this matter, which is that some people are vehemently opposed to abortion and others see it as part of the necessary medical care that should be available to all women. That can NEVER be agreed on if abortion is forbidden, any more than it could be if abortion were mandated. The only logical settlement is for people ...women ...to have complete freedom of choice. No legislator, no demagogue, no preacher should be allowed to second-guess a personal choice like that when the one is pregnant is the one whose health and life are threatened, whose future for the next eighteen years and nine months will be controlled, and whose financial and emotional circumstances can never be fully comprehended by any other person.

@jimmymags6516 8 дней назад

wouldn't it be much better to be responsible before the woman gets pregnant ?

@annk.8750 8 дней назад

@@jimmymags6516 true. But there's only one party that ALWAYS has a choice, and it's not the woman.

@jimmymags6516 8 дней назад

@@annk.8750 You're advocating for the woman to have the choice to kill her baby right now . What do you mean she doesn't have a choice .

@azayzelderegis1655 Год назад

I am pro-choice but I totally disagree with these hosts that the fetus doesn’t have personhood and that the fetus “isn’t alive”. It is absolutely a living being with human DNA, and the arguments of viability and/or personhood have never been very strong arguments at all. It’s also doing a tremendous disservice to these women who would have chosen life if they had known that a fetus at 9 weeks looks exactly like a tiny little human baby. They think for the rest of their lives “if only I had known”, but you stripped them of that knowledge when you misled them to believe that “it’s just a cluster of cells, it’s not even living, it’s not a real person”. In that sense, I think this is one of the most anti-choice things you can do is deceive someone into believing something that isn’t true, stripping them of the ability to make the choice that’s right for them. I disagree with saying the fetus isn’t alive and has no personhood completely. Why not just say 1) Bodily autonomy, 2) Self-defense and preservation of health & well-being, and 3) Abortion bans actually increase abortions, ironically. I think all three of these are more than enough reason to be pro-choice. You don’t need to dehumanize the fetus and mislead women into believing “it’s just a sack of fluids,” or “just a cluster of cells”. That totally gives them the wrong idea and then many of them regret getting the abortion after it’s over because they see the baby and they can feel nothing but remorse.

@annk.8750 Год назад

Baloney. You're imagining a post-abortion trauma that is not borne out by statistical studies. The most common reaction after an abortion is relief, and you're just repeating a fairy tale.

@jimmymags6516 8 дней назад

If you understand that the fetus is a living human with distinct DNA , then aren't you condoning murder ?

@azayzelderegis1655 7 дней назад

@@jimmymags6516 Not really, unless you also think unplugging someone from life support is “murder”. Pregnancy is essentially life support for the fetus, except in this case the woman’s body and internal organs are being used as the fetus’ life support. She has every right to unplug herself from that baby if she no longer wants to share her body/organs with them, for any reason. She might have wanted to get pregnant, she might have even been excited for it, but the point is that, right now, she no longer wants this and she has changed her mind. It’s her body that is being used by the fetus-not the other way around. So it is entirely her choice. I think it’s incredibly disingenuous when pro-life people say “we’re not *forcing* the woman to do anything she doesn’t want to do, all we’re doing is preventing her from committing murder.” No, that’s not all you’re doing. She no longer wants to share her body/organs with this other person, and she has a perfectly viable option to unplug herself from them. You as pro-lifers are preventing her from getting an abortion, which does in fact force her to remain pregnant against her will. So you’re not just “stopping her from committing murder,” you’re forcing her to share her body/organs with another person against her will. No person has a “right” to another person’s body and organs. Not even a fetus.

@jimmymags6516 7 дней назад

@@azayzelderegis1655 my comments keep getting deleted

@azayzelderegis1655 7 дней назад

@@jimmymags6516 Well I can see this one.

@AngryBoozer 2 года назад

I think too much value is put on the concept of life. I’d actually be all for euthanising unwanted babies. It see it as a benefit to everyone, baby included. So what if it’s “alive”? I base my morality on making my surroundings good for myself, and to have that, it also needs to be good for others around me, because I have to coexist with people. A world without unwanted kids seem to fit the category of it being good for everybody.

@TBomb39 2 года назад

The pro-birthers have forced their own flawed morality on women. They don't care about science and call a clump of non-sentient cells something that it's not. They only care about the birth, they stop caring beyond that point.

@fbxx9845 2 года назад

My Numbers 5: 27-28 post is also an excuse for Men to rid themselves of a Wife they've grown tired of. A Woman has no recourse.

@hkk3656 2 года назад

Politicians are busy trying to figure out a way to allow the fetus to vote. 😉😆🤗

@julesmasseffectmusic Год назад

You mean biy guns.

@Quinn37 3 месяца назад

Its about consent. I have no problem with how you classify a fetus. No person can use your body without your consent. If you give birth to a child and don't consent to parenthood a mother can give the child away. If the parents consent to parenthood, they do have a responsibility to the child.

@jimmymags6516 6 дней назад

The parents consented to sex , which means they consented to the possibility of pregnancy . Just as when you drive a car , you consent to the possibility of an accident . If the fetus is a body ( and we know it is ) then wouldn't the fetus have to give consent to kill it ? As a human being the fetus would be entitled to body autonomy .

@Quinn37 6 дней назад

@@jimmymags6516 You can grant the fetus bodily autonomy. It doesn't have rights to someone else's body. Consent to sex with one person doesn't give another rights to your body at a later time.

@Quinn37 6 дней назад

@@jimmymags6516 understanding risk and consent aren't the same thing.

@jimmymags6516 6 дней назад

@@Quinn37 When humans engage in risky behavior they assume the risk that comes along with it . That's why we have car insurance , and that's why we sign a waiver when we go skydiving etc...

@Quinn37 6 дней назад

@@jimmymags6516 precisely. It's not consent, it's acknowledging risk. Car insurance doesn't pay if you engage in intentional activity becasue you consented to the damage. It is literally returns your property to original condition. Your not forced to drive a damaged automobile

@supreme84x 2 года назад

6:55 We aren't talking about giving an organ to save a life, we are talking about taking back an organ that is already sustaining a life. So the analogy should be, can he take back his kidney once it is in another body sustaining that life.

@amtlpaul 2 года назад

Except it's still in your body

@supreme84x 2 года назад

@@amtlpaul So you can take back your organ even if it is in another's body?

@amtlpaul 2 года назад

@@supreme84x In whose body is the fetus?

@supreme84x 2 года назад

@@amtlpaul Same body as the person who put the fetus in there. Same body that made that fetus reliant on that body to live.

@amtlpaul 2 года назад

@@supreme84x What? Shifting the goalposts; are we?

@lachlandunn2137 9 месяцев назад

The person giving birth can abdicate their responsibility to the child immediately after birth.

@dragonlordxakel Год назад

What if someone signed a contract with the other parent to carry the child? Could that person legally be forced to do so or would they simply be punished for breaking the contract? I don't know if such a contract is even valid, but it's a potential situation in which it might be reasonable to use someones body against their will.

@transisamentalillness.1613 2 года назад

And so I guess these atheists arrived on a space ship, and never were harbored in their mother's womb. The way they talk about the majestic life giving process of pregnancy is absurd.

@Dumbstuffwatcher 2 года назад

So, because someone was born, they MUST support governments forcing women to carry pregnancies to term against their will? Please explain this leap in logic

@transisamentalillness.1613 2 года назад

@@Dumbstuffwatcher The dead don't talk- your argument for abortion.

@claudiasolomon1123 2 года назад

"Majestic" ?? Have you seen birth footage?? It's scary & gross as fuck.

@vermilion6966 2 года назад

So is cocroaches reproducing also magical? Dogs? Cattle?

@jshaers96 2 года назад

These endless promotions between calls are really getting tiresome. Just do your spiel at the start talking about the ACA and whatever and then get to the calls FFS.

@AMore429 Год назад

Fake atheist alert 😅

@kathyheyne6030 22 дня назад

Not necessarily. We’re a broad church, remember. The only thing we consistently have in common is a lack of belief in a god. Some believe aliens built the pyramids. Some believe in ghosts and psychics. Some believe COVID was a hoax, others climate change is a hoax- and some are Pro Life.

@studlord9970 2 года назад

Every single law on the books is about limiting your bodily autonomy. You can't just do whatever you want.

@Dumbstuffwatcher 2 года назад

...and? What does that have to do with this specific case? Why should governments force the women who don't want to be pregnant, to carry pregnancies to term against their will, leaving them financially ruined and emotionally scarred?

@studlord9970 2 года назад

@@Dumbstuffwatcher Letting nature take it's course is not "forcing" anyone to do anything. If you had to pick between "financially ruined and emotionally scarred", or "dead and mutilated", which would you choose? A person can recover from financial ruin or emotional damage. And again, banning abortions is not about forcing anyone to do anything, it's about restricting what they are allowed to do to someone else, which is what laws do. And there are no laws which say it is illegal to be a fetus and derive sustenance from your mother, but there are laws which say you can't murder your children.

@pipkin5287 2 года назад

@@studlord9970 a fetus and a child are two different things. There's a reason we don't call people fetuses. You're awarding special rights and personhood to something that, so far, has not been proven to have that, over someone who's actually a person.

@studlord9970 2 года назад

@@pipkin5287 What are you talking about? A fetus IS a child IS a person! Every person is someone's child. I am not "awarding" anything to anyone. I am RECOGNIZING the FACT that a fetus is a person in it's earliest stages of development. You can deny, deny, deny, but you are just damn wrong. Your true position is that YOU should be the arbiter of which persons get what rights, and that, my friend, is horseshit. I am trying to protect the universally recognized right to life. You are trying to protect the right to choose or to bodily autonomy. Neither of those so called rights actually mean anything. No one has the right to choose to do what ever they want with their bodies. Every law on every book is about restricting both those "rights".

@claudiasolomon1123 2 года назад

Yeah, we can't just do whatever we want. If abortion was legal, we'd have total unprecedented anarchy in the streets 2 hours later dogs kissing cats children grounding their parents the sun rising at night the moon appearing during the day people walking on their hands & opening doors with their feet society would 100% explode AND implode 😯😭

@godless1014 2 года назад

The bodily autonomy argument always struck me as rather sloppy. Most of us are fine with throwing criminals in jail and taking away their bodily autonomy and freedom. Our justification for doing so is that it is for the greater good. And it's a good argument. I have absolutely no problem with throwing someone in jail who unlawfully tries to murder another person. But a pro-lifer can - and does - make the EXACT same argument for throwing a mother or doctor in prison. In their view these people are murderers and therefore the ends justify the means.

@LuisGonzalez-rm5vx Год назад

The bodily autonomy argument isn't sloppy at all. It's states that no one can use somone else's bodily resources without their consent. A prisoners freedom may be restricted because they broke the law but taking away or restricting somones freedom is not the same thing as taking away their bodily autonomy. Prisoners still have bodily autonomy, they can't be forced to donate blood, organs or other bodily resources without their consent.

@azayzelderegis1655 Год назад

So I think the difference here is that the criminal has already violated someone else’s bodily autonomy, which is why they’ve forfeited theirs and they can be thrown in jail seeing as they are a public safety hazard. In the case of abortion, the fetus is currently violating the bodily autonomy of the woman, so she deserves the right to take it back and kill the fetus. Also, the prisoner example is kind of a shaky comparison because the prisoners aren’t being forced to give up their bodies for a living being to use against their will. They’re just being put behind bars. So maybe their bodily autonomy is being limited, but it’s not being violated. If that makes sense. I hope this equips you with a good response to pro-life arguments 👍

@sauloftarsus3351 2 года назад

According to the justice system, what's called a fetus is actually a person.

@campfireaddict6417 2 года назад

Then it should be counted in the census.

@vermilion6966 2 года назад

Citation. I bet we will get none

@sauloftarsus3351 2 года назад

@@vermilion6966 When a pregnant woman is killed it's referred to as a double homicide because the unborn is considered to be a person as well.

@vermilion6966 2 года назад

@@sauloftarsus3351 and its bs. It shouldnt be 'double homicide' it should Just warrant a harsher punishment, longer sentence if you believe that that fetus had a chance to be born (even thats an IF as anything can happen to it during pregnancy and birth) maybe, and thats all. In reality its Just a killing of someone in a vulnerable state. Thats the correct term. It makes a murder more brutal because the person is vulnerable and help less but doesnt make it double murder. Just because theres some law doesnt mean its objectively Just. In some places of tbh e world you can be put in jail if YOURE getting raped, or stone to death. Its their law. Doesnt mean its right. So dont talk about one countries law like its universal. Its not. There are lots of countries where its not 'double homicide'

@rickperriwinkle 2 года назад

In every one of these "double homicide" laws, abortion is specifically outlined as not counting under this definition of murder. I wonder why?

@sauloftarsus3351 2 года назад

Do all unborn babies have the same worth and value?

@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596 2 года назад

Define what you mean by worth and value. Do you mean in monetary value? Worth to whom? Also, a baby is by definition a human who has been born. Learn how words work. Otherwise you're guilty of using propagandist language.

@amtlpaul 2 года назад

???????????????????????

@christiananderson4909 2 года назад

There is literally no such thing as an "unborn baby." I think you mean "fetus." Seriously, how hard *is* this stuff, for you people?

@ministryofarguments3525 2 года назад

TrollofTarsus 33

@sauloftarsus3351 2 года назад

@@ladyselenafelicitywhite1596 Worth not killing.

@mithrael8887 2 года назад

''there's a thing pulsating, sure but like that's not that's not that impressive to me'' Looking at this vid I honestly can't tell the difference between arguments used in a christian tube channel and this one just remove christian with American hard left.

@lettuce_spray389 2 года назад

How are those remedial high school English lessons going?

@mithrael8887 2 года назад

@@lettuce_spray389 I'm saving up money for lessons, going self thought till then. Thanks for caring enough to ask :)

@Lupinemancer87 2 года назад

I'm not saying a fetus has special rights, and Abortion should stay legal. But, I do sometimes I agree with the other side. That fetus didn't choose to be there, it's only here because of certain actions you commited. So if you didn't want it, you shouldn't have commited that action in the first place.

@dianahill5116 2 года назад

There is rape and incest that can cause pregnancy and transfer STD's. There are women who intentionally get pregnant for monetary reasons and other nefarious reasons. Not all birth control is a 100%. People should be allowed to have consensual sex with whomever and when ever they want.

@amtlpaul 2 года назад

What action would that be?

@Largon93 2 года назад

People's minds can change for various reasons: Economical crises, lifestyle changes, sudden illnesses or just a realization that you're not ready to take care of someone for two decades after all. We are not cabable of precognition and shouldn't be forced to stick to our choices we made in the past. As for the fetus not choosing to be there, by that logic, it's just as wrong to become pregnant as not become pregnant (or to continue/abort pregnancy) since the fetus didn't choose any of it. Fetuses are incabable of even comprehending any kind of decision, so parents have to make some decisions on their behalf, unfortunately.

@ajclements4627 2 года назад

So OP would rather everyone be celibate then to risk a woman aborting a baby. 🤨

@christiananderson4909 2 года назад

The "well, maybe you just shouldn't have had sex" argument has less than nothing to do with the debate about a woman's right to chose.

@theo-dawg8519 2 года назад

Conception = life.

@christiananderson4909 2 года назад

Jesus. . . That's literally not what that word means. The root word of conception is "conceive," which means "to become pregnant."

@theo-dawg8519 2 года назад

@@christiananderson4909 too become pregnant with what?

@christiananderson4909 2 года назад

@@theo-dawg8519 A fetus.

@theo-dawg8519 2 года назад

@@christiananderson4909 a fetus=human life. It is a developing human.

@christiananderson4909 2 года назад

@@theo-dawg8519 Let's grant that, for the sake of argument. Does that "life" override the bodily autonomy of the mother, who sustains that fetus? Should any human be allowed to use another person's body against their will? No.