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Second Play of Ultron in Expert Mode - Live Gameplay | Marvel Champions LCG 

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After a devastating loss to Expert difficulty Ultron, Leadership Black Panther and Protection Spider-Man take another shot - and this time, Hawkeye shows up.
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@JohnQSpartan
@JohnQSpartan 4 года назад
I may be in the minority here, but as a viewer I much preferred watching the game played with the standard tokens and counters from the game. It was easier to follow, and plus it teaches more on how to play the version of the game that I will be receiving soon.
@marktsundokupasha9995
@marktsundokupasha9995 4 года назад
When Team Covenant makes me watch for more than two hours on a video and still want more. ☺️ Looking forward to more Marvel, AH and KeyForge contents.
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
Thank you Mark!
@jaredrupprecht1503
@jaredrupprecht1503 4 года назад
Glad you mentioned the art. I noticed that they are using some classic comics artist including my favorite Spider-Man artist Mark Bagley! Also noticed Bachalo and Terry Dodson.
@MrSuckeragi
@MrSuckeragi 4 года назад
I love how this play through showcases what LEADERSHIP aspect can do. I was never really a fan of it until now. This game showed off how versatile the Leadership Aspect is, and gives great tips on why Leadership Aspect should generally be the first player at the start of the game. Not to mention the COMBO of being able to recast HAWKEYE repeatedly, without a doubt, the coolest part of this session. Because Leadership focuses on Allies, it can do a little bit of everything - damage, defense, and threat removal which is cool. Another cool thing about it is that with every additional "Neutral" Ally that gets printed from here on out, Leadership will only grow stronger. Its probably a good idea to coordinate what unique neutral allies your team mates should include, since having multiple copies in hand among the team is not efficient. I guess that's the only real drawback to Leadership in terms of CO-OP, especially if you only bring a Leadership Deck to a game group that you only recently joined - since the other players are not aware which allies you are running, but then again - that applies to other aspects as well with respect to neutral allies, it just hurts Leadership more because of its focus on said allies. On a side note, I think Blue was chosen for Leadership because it synergizes more with the colors of Shield. I mean, there is a correlation for the other Aspects and the card stats - Green for defense/Protection, Red for Aggression/ATK, but YELLOW for Justice (when threat is blue) and BLUE for Leadership? I guess having shield agents with yellow backdrops would just be ugly? Oh well.
@Syrilian
@Syrilian 4 года назад
Ultron's scheme reminds me of the third quest in the LoTR LCG, except not as punishingly random.
@Jacksuhn
@Jacksuhn 4 года назад
It's so hard not to ready your cards after the villain phase. There were a couple turns between both play throughs where Zach readied Spidey after being tapped during Ultron`s phase. Once from defending and once from a Vulture encounter.
@KobayshiMaru
@KobayshiMaru 4 года назад
Great job with the stream, it’s was fantastic to watch! Learned a ton and enjoy’d seeing how both of your strategies evolved. Congrats on almost beating expert mode! Three very minor pieces of feedback. 1) The enlarged card could be center top or bottom right and not block game board or your faces, 2) it’d be great to hear you say what cards you played as resources to know what trade offs you’re making (you did sometimes but not consistently) 3) The more top down camera shot is by far the best to see the board state, so it’s helpful to be on that shot a little more when you’re not talking to each other.
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
Thanks Chris! Glad you enjoyed it, and we'll keep making it better. Appreciate the feedback.
@SprengerMon
@SprengerMon 4 года назад
One thing that comes to mind when watching you guys play this game is all the book keeping that is taking place. From hand size to hero mode restrictions and any random ongoing effects in play from villain cards it feels like it will take a couple of games to get used to remembering to check all those boxes. The one I think that is going to trip me up the most is going to be the hand size. I'm not a fan of where they put the hand limit on the card. Just seems like an easy thing to forget. That said this seems like a good opportunity for a token. Seeing your hero boards in action it would be nice to have 1 or 2 spots for a token like this to go in. A flip-able token makes sense but you would have to make unique tokens for every hero. (Could be used as subscription perk when new heroes come out)
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
It's so easy to miss. Literally all caps as the first entry in the "commonly missed rules" section of the strategy guide. A token you say? Worth considering!
@felizpanda
@felizpanda 4 года назад
Oh, wow, that was great, thanks guys! A few misplays, but that's obviously expected given how early it is and the fact you were going for speed. I feel like the one worth noting is that Black Widow cancels the effect but then reveals the next card so if the card did still surge, she would've done nothing there. Ps: Leadership Black Panther looks like a lot of fun!
@lepruk86
@lepruk86 4 года назад
I wish UK shipping was just a bit cheaper. I'd love to sub to you guys for delivery (and those tokens look great)! But I think I'll have to stick to UK sites for this game. Awesome work on the run through though!
@justmebeingme8370
@justmebeingme8370 4 года назад
TC: lets try and do this in an hour Me: *looks down and sees 2+ hour run time* Doh!
@MrSuckeragi
@MrSuckeragi 4 года назад
WOW, right down the line. good game guys. :D , you won in spirit.
@mattdickson4018
@mattdickson4018 4 года назад
A couple of plays with Spidey, seems like there are always a few rounds with cards in hand that can't really be used. Do you think there's ability to maximize card efficiency in deck builds with the core set?
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
One of our favorite elements of the game is that you can always play 2-3 cards from your hand, you just get to decide which ones! For us, the situation you describe has only really been happening if we include too many high cost cards from the aspect specific and neutral cards. Another part of it is that there are several hero specific actions cards in every deck, which puts pressure on you to be in hero mode. The tension created from this decision, to either avoid being attacked in alter-ego mode and maximize your plays from hand, is easily one of the most nuanced elements of the game!
@bendavies490
@bendavies490 4 года назад
When the She-Hulk show was announced, I could hear Steven’s exasperated sigh from Australia! Gonna have to find a more obscure hero to play now, matey!
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
So true. He's just waiting for Namor, and hoping he's only kind of good.
@keitha4768
@keitha4768 4 года назад
Omg, that Hawkeye recursion was nuts
@Scopi
@Scopi 4 года назад
I wonder if having the character cards side load into the trays, with tokens on the top, bottom, one side, might be more convenient with all the flipping.
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
Might be, but we've got a plan for it! Thanks for sharing the thoughts.
@Jacksuhn
@Jacksuhn 4 года назад
Rules question: this video saw a lot of action requests from hand. Is there a ruling on who pays the resource cost for those actions, the player requesting or the owner of the card?
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
Good question! The rules are a bit vague, but we decided that whoever triggers the card, pays for it.
@scottwallbank4794
@scottwallbank4794 4 года назад
Few misplays such as Zach removing the concussion blaster without exhausting spidey, but very enjoyable to watch.
@tomsamo4211
@tomsamo4211 4 года назад
Thanks guys for another great video. From this game Black Panther + Leadership appears to me as a must-have against Ultron. On the other hand, even if I agree Spider Man is awesome with the Protection aspect, wouldn't you say he would have fared a tad better with the Aggresion or Justice aspect?
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
Cheers Sam! We've looked at Spider-Man with all of the aspects, and Protection seems like the strongest so far. Aggression with someone like She-Hulk is a better fit if you're spreading them across the Core Set. 3 DEF + Indomitable is hard to argue with - but more games will be necessary to decide for sure.
@tomsamo4211
@tomsamo4211 4 года назад
@@teamcovenant Well you guys played on expert mode so it was obviously very difficult as we saw but I just thought that on expert, when you play a pair of heroes, maybe it could be useful to either play the aggresion aspect, or the justice one, to deal with the enemy or the schemes a bit more easily. Just my naive rookie 2 cts here ofc ;) But I do agree Protection Spidey is awesome ^.^
@misomiso8228
@misomiso8228 4 года назад
Great podcast as ever guys (commenting here as no video *sob). The best exampls for the wonderful tactilenss of games to m is Ticket to Ride and Pandemic. Ticket to Rid is so tactile when you put the Trians now, and you get so much joy just from the physical act. And Pandemic is a great example of a game that is hard to set up (relatively speaking, preparing the decks etc), however it's so worth it and preparing the game is part of the ritual! Still miss your faces !
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
Thanks misomiso! That's great to hear. We really appreciate the examples too. This topic gets bigger and bigger as we keep having conversations about it - it's almost like this hidden aspect of tabletop that hasn't been appropriately valued.
@JasonDWood
@JasonDWood 2 года назад
It just seems like I should comment since I've been watching these two year old Ultron playthroughs, before my run thru Expert Ultron.
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 2 года назад
Awesome Jason. So good to know!
@Vardaen
@Vardaen 4 года назад
Pretty sure they play the Encounter card when they deck themselves out wrong. It sits in front of you until the Encounter Phase right?
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
Yes that is correct! The more recent videos get this right. We'll be sure to add this particular rules interaction to the strategy guide.
@peteshirey9816
@peteshirey9816 4 года назад
It figures you wait till I go away to Dinner then bring out the new Tokens.......... They look great! Cant wait to order a set!
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
You keep us going, Pete.
@jeffmolander7133
@jeffmolander7133 4 года назад
Do sleeved cards fit in your tray things?
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
Yes. They're designed with sleeved cards in mind, tested with Dragon Shield, Ultra Pro, Katana, and FFG.
@colinmarshall7070
@colinmarshall7070 4 года назад
Another great video by team covenant. I have all expansions from LOTR lcg and like the game. Up till now i have played marvel legendary for my super hero fix, Im not sure i want to invest into another lcg. Whats your opinion on Marvel Champions vs Marvel Legendary?
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
Maybe we should do a comparison video! Great thoughts Colin, thanks for sharing.
@tehkaffis
@tehkaffis 4 года назад
In response to your comments about it being weird that the main scheme counts up while boss health counts down and side schemes start with tokens -- it's a little confusing now, but I think once you get used to which one starts where (or at least get used to reading the card to see), it lends itself to easy game state reading. Smaller numbers are, in all villain-related cases, better; you're always removing threat or lowering health, and the villains are always adding threat. Heck, I think I'd probably add that I track damage on heroes with tokens, so that "lower is better" applies to hero health state, too.
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
We're on the exact same page there. Just recently adapted our token prototyping to test "add tokens on player side" and "remove tokens on villain side" - so far it is really keeping it clean. The idea of seeing your heroes getting beat up and more damage tokens being stacked on as a reflection of that really makes the story come alive, and it certainly feels like there's more at stake.
@tehkaffis
@tehkaffis 4 года назад
@@teamcovenant it had the other benefit of freeing up the dials to track max health, since that changes with player count and some characters' upgrades.
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
Genius.
@robhutchinson1541
@robhutchinson1541 4 года назад
Interestingly this is the video that finally sold me on the mythos boards for arkham. Seeing how neat they kept the board and the tactile nature of handling the damage and threat looked great. Does it feel weird to count up damage on your hero while you are counting down damage on the villain? I cant wait to see what your production quality boards and token sets will look like for this game, they’re sure to be beautiful. Thanks for the marvel monday content!
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
Fantastic Rob! Just buying those Mythos Boards fuels the production of the Champions set, so not only do we appreciate your business but we also are investing your money back into even better things. We've had a bit of a revelation on the board tracking. On the player side of the board, you have allies, minions, and heroes. On the enemy side you have the villain and schemes. On the latter, your actions subtract tokens, so that's easy enough to remember. You attack and remove health. You scheme and remove threat. But on the player side, allies TAKE damage - they don't start at a certain health. Minions TAKE damage, they don't start at a certain health. And then you have heroes, which, as the outlier, start at a certain health (even though the number is very small, between 9 and 15). So our thinking now is that you can add damage on the player side (including the her) and remove health on the villain side. Not only has it cleaned up the action logically, it also tells a much better story with your hero. You see them getting beat up and it feels uncomfortable. You can look over at your friend's side of the board and see that they've been getting wrecked. Really loving it so far.
@jeffmolander7133
@jeffmolander7133 4 года назад
I feel like that double Helicarrier -> Make the Call -> Hawkeye play at 48-ish minutes was not legal. For one thing, Helicarrier says the next card you play costs less, and the next card played was Make the Call, not Hawkeye. If Make the Call had X cost, I could see this working. BUT for another thing, Make the Call says to pay the printed cost. So like even if you had some effect like "Avengers cost 1 less" in play, you still would have to pay the full three for Hawkeye off of Make the Call. Cool play, I just doubt it was legal.
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
Correct! Printed cost is printed cost. Should've just used it earlier in the turn, like on the Helicarrier that Steven played. With a coop game it's easier to massage those interactions when the timing wasn't quite right!
@NerdParker
@NerdParker 4 года назад
Come say hi at: reddit.com/r/marvelchampionslcg discord.gg/MsGVwF
@codydavis3100
@codydavis3100 4 года назад
I really think the tokens for the villain's health will deter me away from buying the token set for this game. The dial is just way easier and less fiddly to me.
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
You'll have the option to just get the player side if that's your preference, like Arkham. But, if you haven't already, you should really listen to our last podcast about this exact sentiment. It's sure to provide food for thought: teamcovenant.com/podcasts/107-when-clunky-is-correct
@davidwhitfield6025
@davidwhitfield6025 4 года назад
I'm coming to see Black Panther as the weakest character. Even when you have the complete suit if you don't have Wakanda forever you can't use its abilities. The only thing that Black Panther does well is get rid of the drones facing him (his ability to deal one damage for each character attacking him). With Iron Man once Stark has the suit it works every turn, even if Iron Man himself is exhausted. Seems to me that both Black Panther and Iron Man need the Leadership aspect to get out allies to help when they can't do their own thing. For me (without playing them first) Captain Marvel, Spiderman and She Hulk - in that order - are the best heroes to deal with Ultron.
@tehkaffis
@tehkaffis 4 года назад
Here's the thing: Iron Man builds up to and maintains a steady state. Every turn, he can punch out the same stuff, turn after turn. Black Panther, on the other hand, builds up and then bursts. He can't always fire, but when he does, he can tweak what he focuses on (based on what fires last), AND, he can burst extra high if you can pull a multi-Wakanda Forever turn. Iron Man's stuff is all exhaust, so it's steady but regular. It's the difference between building a DPS engine and an engine that bursts high. I like that both are options, even if I'm with you in that I suspect I'll prefer Iron Man's style.
@davidwhitfield6025
@davidwhitfield6025 4 года назад
@@tehkaffis It just an impression. I was so bored on the weekend that I spreadsheeted all the cards as best I could from the unboxing videos. Captain Marvel, She Hulk, and Spiderman come out of the gate hiting. Iron Man takes maybe four turns to get his armour together then can't lay into the villain - my feeling that solo the Leadership Aspect is best for him as it allows more allies to have a chance to fight while he is building his armour. Black Panther is odd one as I have said. His personal villain is immune to his upgrades which tends to mean he depends on other to take Killmonger out. He has to build his armour although at least he can fight unlike Iron Man while doing so but as discuss he needs the Wakanda Forever card (of which there are 5) to unleash their potential. From the games so far watched he seemed to be carried (although this was unremarked during game) by the other heroes. What this means is we need more games. Look forward to Monday week guys.
@benjibuttons6380
@benjibuttons6380 4 года назад
17:21
@stephencollins5667
@stephencollins5667 4 года назад
I think you could have won if you stayed as black panther and shielded with hawkeye
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
Maybe. Oh well - guess we just have to play again!
@david6975
@david6975 4 года назад
sup.
@teamcovenant
@teamcovenant 4 года назад
Yo!
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