Secret Life of Canyon - The Brains Behind the Bikes 

Apparently they changed their mind. A friend of mine had a broken carbon frame and they refuse to replace it!

@@olivierjerusalem9219 saw a few of their carbons gave way

their shipping are killers , hear they earn from it ?

thanks! I'd love to do more - hopefully soon...

Glad you enjoyed it!

Same here CANYON GRAIL AL

Cool, any tips on sizing ? Looking at getting one too..

@@warrenmullett I have a Medium frame...when I did there little online thing I came out that I could "maybe" use a small frame...I decided to not and went with the medium. Fits fine...I am 6 ft tall and weight 150 lbs. 32 in inseam.

Tom Bolton funny comment, I heard their delivery times aren’t realistic. Sorry you gotta wait a season to shred...

I did the same from Canada. No bikes locally so went with Canyon. Very happy so far although I've been warned that any servicing, local bike shops would deny you for not buying locally. I'm certain I can service most items myself going forward and would rather that then relying on a minimum wage employee skimping because I didn't buy the bike from them.

Quest composites aren't a top quality carbon frame manufacturer, they are mid level at best possibly low level quality. You need to look at the evidence not just swallow the marketing information. It is well known they use quest composites for their carbon frames but their aluminium frames are made by the best frame manufacturer in the business 'Giant'. Giant, Merida and even Fuji-ta (used by Cannondale and many other brands) are all superior carbon frame manufacturers. Giant has both Taiwanese and mainland China production facilities and both are easily better than Quest Composites however Quest Composites are cheap but then look at the production side. People sitting on basic tables and hair caps not worn properly so contaminants can get into the carbon fibre and resin and create a future failure point in the frame or forks. It amazes me people will watch a paid promotion and happily be manipulated. Canyon have many nice bikes though I must admit but I find it annoying people can be so gullible about marketing. www.questcomposite.com/file/photo/17.jpg

@@bonzobanana1 Hey, your comment is exactly what I was looking for. Where can I go to find out about which manufacturer is hype versus actually worth the money? Thanks in advance!

Actually their mtb grand canyon is under 800€ and their kids bikes are about 600€

the endurace AL6.0 is 800 GBP (including VAT), which is about $1000USD. without VAT it should be cheaper than that, but Canyon seem to have decided to position themselves in the USA as a "premium" brand.

Was unaware, about their children's line and their entry AL MTB.

I know for a fact that not all of their bikes are assembled in Germany, in fact, the majority isn't

Grud not true, all bikes are assembled in Germany and USA. Frames, forks and cockpits are made in China

Grigory good luck with your gamble.

Why is the "Why" important? Quality is what counts.

@@ili4707 Quality? A lot of companies could make good quality products. Not every company has a why...

Same here, I switched two years ago. Leaving specialzied was purely based upon the ripoff prices that nobody can justify anymore.

I was also thinking about getting a canyon but there are a lot of bad ratings online - customer service wise :/

I was also thinking about getting a canyon bike but it seems like the customer service is random, some people wait months to get a little piece and other have it in the week. I think it's a good bike and worth it for the money but I will not buy one until they fix there customer service. Maybe i will buy a giant, so that if there is a problem you can go to the giant shop near you

The old story about how you only hear about the bad results... I had good customer service, and loved my canyon ultimate. Still bummed that it got stolen..

Djd Njddk Yes, definitely considering Giant. For $3700 now, (month ago was $3600) u can get full ultegra/disc Propel Advanced with carbon wheels. It’s bit heavy but aero bike, that looks and rides really good. On flat roads bit extra weight doesn’t make that much difference. I’m in a process of building S-Works Tarmac with R8000 group set, by the time I’m done, will cost me around $5-$6k ( depends what wheels I will go with) and that’s not even latest frame from Specialized ( I’m using frame that has been sitting in my attic for 4 years! Special color 🤓). U can go buy fast bike, ready to go for $3.7 and it’s aero bike as well. I’m questioning my wisdom here?...Just really like my fluorescent red paint, Specialized did in that one year. Cheers!

Ah, that's pretty normal for a warehouse forklift.

Klaus ! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-p_h6oAj5p1g.html

It's higher than i would have expected from such a relatively small forklift at first glance. The height itself is pretty normal. Beats me why Canyon doesn't use Jungheinrich, even though Toyota are among the best.

Topsey that’s the dream!

Thanks for reminding me of the importance of the freedom to choose the right stem .

Yes, it's interesting to see a marketing company

Specialized sucks...no thanks

Yea so we can see how "warranty stock issues" allow them to not replace my cracked frame to the one I want.

Saurabh Kulkarni my Ultimate WMN was a brand new platform launched last year. They also launched the Inflite and Grail recently and tonnes of new MTBs. Don’t really get the issue with wheels... most road models are specced with new Zipps, DT Swiss or Mavics from what I can see?

Manufacturing products is not expensive. The research is. Same in the housing market (in the US at least). How do developers and architects build a brand new house with 5 bathrooms and 6.5 bathrooms for less than 900.000 USD and put it on market and sell it for 1.8mil. Same concept.

@@adamf.8564 sorry to disagree, but manufacturing IS expensive specially if you are taking all your parts from Asia and assembling them in Germany, big wage difference and quality control oversight. Kudos!

The handlebar allows vertical flex between the front of the bike and the rider's hands. It's a lower maintenance alternative to a suspension fork. Given how unreliable and expensive suspension forks have become, it makes a lot of sense. Sadly the bike industry at the moment seem to only make expensive, maintenance hungry, but effectively disposable suspension forks. Back in the day Marzocchi used to keep the other manufacturers honest, both in terms of pricing and durability by making forks that would run for years with very little minding. Unfortunately they bankrupted themselves by outsourcing badly to China and the other fork manufacturers have been cranking up their prices while reducing their durability ever since.

Hold on the straight flat top, for a bit of flex and give. Debatable if the penalty is absolutely no flex and give in the drops.

I'm waiting. Hey, Canyon how about a short travel 29er trail bike?

I think they are giving timeframes now, thank you for your service!

I did, but TBH I genuinely can't remember - it was a very small % though

Have you got your gravel bike yet?

I had the same question!

Grud did you watch the video or nah?

+Mitchell Steindler it's been known for a while that Mott of their product is made in Taiwan, even by Giant (like other major brands)

Craig Knobovitch and?

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