"Secrets of the Institutional Trader" | Trevor Neil | Interview

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Opto sit down with Trevor Neil once more to find out the "Secrets of the Institutional Trader". We ask him questions about institutional versus retail trading, including competing, his tips and tricks and his preferred trading strategy.
With his 40 years experience, he shares his insights into why it's not wise to compete with institutions, like professional traders and hedge funds, but instead how traders can become systematic and use this to their advantage.
Trevor shares his 1 key tip all traders should remember and why it may be better to look long-term rather than short-term.
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How can I compete with Big Money? 00:06
Where do I have more of a chance? 00:58
Should I worry about market manipulation? 02:18
How can I become an algo? 03:31
What tools would you recommend? 05:19
How can I trade wholesale not retail? 07:44
What's the 1 tip I should remember? 09:49
Is swing trading the sweet spot? 11:10
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@FHIPrincePeter 4 года назад

This Man is talking pure sense. Very well worth taking on board his advice.

@OptoThemes 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@burstmxde6617 3 года назад

I have watched hundreds if not thousands of trading video's online, and i can confidently say that this one is by far the most honest and valuble trading information video that i have ever seen...

@OptoThemes 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@FreeWifi1984 11 месяцев назад

Can you please make a list of all the best videos you’ve watched?

@ver251209 Месяц назад

I agree -He is not selling a course to retail traders, that's why. I arrived at the same conclusion while watching this.

@jakubvalenta5403 8 месяцев назад

Wise man. He is giving us valuable knowledge.

@amolgawande1072 5 месяцев назад

What is his name

@zentamil 3 года назад

Superb and 100 % secrets revealed but video views are very low.... people always follow fake and colorfull videos

@OptoThemes 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@LukeOnTheMove 3 года назад

People always follow the herd. The herd right now follows hype.

@kblmusk7716 3 года назад

Accurate

@jjfhbnkkbf Год назад

That's y

@timcastle9506 Год назад

Lol,lets hope that continues, ;)

@R33lyfast 3 года назад

This is simply fantastic. Thank you for hosting this interview. Its so honest and fulfilling.

@OptoThemes 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@chrisbackshell2464 2 месяца назад

Absolute voice of reason :)

@vladk9376 2 года назад

Great pieces of advice. So glad to see this type of content

@sukhmaidickoff 2 года назад

This is EXTREMELY important info, and the reason why I like this video so much. I´m in no way an expert or a brilliant trader, but when I started trading I always wanted to know more about what happened under the surface. I.e. why is a former low or high that is 5-6 days old important? Or why does this or that happen? I mean we can all understand support- and resistance lines but sometimes it is good to know the underlying factors too.

@OptoThemes 2 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@mohitjain851 3 года назад

Every word of his had deeper meaning . Thanks for this .

@OptoThemes 2 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@ezrasitali7575 2 года назад

Brilliant Interview!

@stowking6091 4 года назад

So the reason why people fail is because there trying to guess the market not the institution

@sivanandarao 2 года назад

Absolutely love the advice tqvm for Sharing

@richardasboe8175 4 года назад

An interesting interview but the part on market manipulation is complete nonsense. The big players like to give the impression that there is no or minimal manipulation to encourage retail trading but of course they manipulate prices to their own benefit. More than half the daily volume in currency trading is controlled by a handful of the biggest banks. To fill their orders they need to move price to areas of higher liquidity ie areas where there are clusters of retail trader stop orders. Both entries and stop losses. If they move price to a large cluster of entry stop orders there is a good chance they will take the other side of the trade and then price will move in the opposite direction eventually stopping out those traders. These manipulations happen everyday. Some more obvious than others. A good (obvious) example happened on Thursday last week on Eurusd & Gpbusd. At Frankfurt open prices spiked up over 30 pips taking out obvious areas of (short) trader stop losses and triggering (long) breakout trader entry stop orders. Price then reversed frustrating the stopped out traders and trapping the new long trades into losing positions.

@FHIPrincePeter 4 года назад

You obviously know more than Trevor Neil so I shall take your word for it.

@don_pablo4946 3 года назад

remeber that only 20% of volume traded in forex daily is legit fundemental business transactions the rest is speculation between retail traders and hedge funds and other funds but speculation is not the same between retail and hedge funds as hedge funds use 80% technical reasoning and retail use just charts lol.

@victornyamu2547 3 года назад

@@don_pablo4946 whats the difference between "technical reasoning" and charting

@don_pablo4946 3 года назад

Victor Nyamu oh so hedge funds first go through a phase called idea generation which uses and interprets macro and micro economic data and exogenous and endogenous factors of a country.This takes 80% and is know as fundemental analysis(the correct way).Ghen the rest is the 20% technical where they look at price action and price charts to find entris and see if their ideas from phase one matches the charts.This is how it’s done.Trading is 80% fundementals and 20% technical

@victornyamu2547 3 года назад

@@don_pablo4946 thank you. I saw anton kreil talking about it and after seeing the how inconsistent charting is, I realize that the past (charts) may not be indicative of the future.

@manjeetmaparamanjeet Год назад

Am seeing this video for 3rd or 4th time in the month..and understanding the Wealth of knowledge Here ...new belief and gratitude for the vastness of the quantum of knowledge shared . Sir as an Indian I

@manjeetmaparamanjeet Год назад

Sir as an Indian I can only touch your feet and seek ur blessings as a response to your gesture Every time I see this video I feel warmth...same as if on Christmas eve Santa has given the child in me a needed gift . Ur personality and demeanor reminds me of my postgraduation guide whom I revere next only to the almighty...The world needs more of u sir!!!!

@erikkremer5205 2 года назад

Awesome Interview💯 I learned a lot from this video but the fact that manipulation should not worry any retail trader because the fines the big players have to pay for manipulation are to large, is false in my humble opinion. The fines big players have to pay for manipulating the market is 1-10% of there profit so they do it anyway. This opens up a even bigger opportunity for traders with little money because they can study the manipulative behaviour of these players and move with them (follow there footprints, orderflow)

@nileshgada 3 года назад

Thanks sir for sharing your views honestly !!very enlightening video !!

@OptoThemes 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@sapphirecapitals527 3 года назад

This is one of the best commentary I have heard on trading retail as opposed to institutional trading and possible edge, I would recommend this as must watch and listen. He actually laid down the key to successful retail trading, only thing missed is the risk management which I suspect he would have spoken about if he was asked. Probability and reward-risk ratio are the two best friends of a trader to trade with confidence.

@OptoThemes 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@newlookak47 3 года назад

Very experienced and very grounded. Thanks

@OptoThemes 2 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@18JRODD 3 года назад

Straight game 💯

@ikennamadukwe7065 3 года назад

Getting ready to join the trade

@milkywaygalaxymedia4311 3 года назад

NICE !!! 👍👍 Thanks for this one 🙏😎

@OptoThemes 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@hofniamwaalwa3724 4 года назад

Thank you.

@OptoThemes 4 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@AnjanFX 3 года назад

this guy made a lot of sense

@etienne7774 3 года назад

Best video.

@hasilriset534 2 года назад

Nice intrv . Very lucky to watch.. love so much for all inspiring video

@OptoThemes 2 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@tommyg148 4 года назад

In my experiences hes 99% accurate. No way I'm buying the fact that it's not in institutions best interest to take out stop losses. It happens too much to be consequential

@m0jomm835 3 года назад

Mental stop loss fleece them ma bro 💰😎😎😎😎💰💰💰💰

@markreardon9906 3 года назад

Yes after giving retail enough confidence to enter a trade and set a stop loss the stop loss retail graveyard is exactly where prices will be headed before the big players set themselves up with liquidity then go for max profits after most of retail have already been taken out

@MJ-fs5pv 3 года назад

I completely understand this feeling... but stop losses are quite predictable though. I think there’s a range they could “test” (large position traders do this before putting on a large position to see if there is enough traders on the other side to absorb their orders). “Reminiscences of a Stock Operator” talks about this method several times. Personally I embrace stop losses, as long as they are kept SMALL. All it means is your timing is off, and a better entry is yet to come. Also, I don’t know if having a mental or mechanical stop really changes anything. I mean there’s hundreds of thousands of other traders mechanical stops beside your “mental stops” - so I don’t feel it makes much difference, it’s just a matter of timing. Even if large institutions do this... they can’t do it forever and there’s usually a breaking point when a healthy stock goes up without ever seeing that price again.

@dee23gaming 4 месяца назад

Skill issue.

@e.sanoop110 4 года назад

Powerful content 👌👌👌

@OptoThemes 4 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@wallstreetbeef2489 3 года назад

Great interview

@OptoThemes 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@thewhitekitchen7278 2 года назад

Very very intresting video

@JK-vb6ju 3 года назад

Trading momentum seems like the best bcuz mm can't adjust quik enough

@sivanandarao 2 года назад

Tqvm

@stephenmatu7 3 года назад

Thanks

@Fire_soul1796 3 года назад

This video was really helpful. (The gentleman also looks like the man in the Six Flags commercials).

@OptoThemes 3 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@sarj5070 2 года назад

Great insights

@OptoThemes 2 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@heliosplutus9678 3 года назад

“They are selling as you are buying” - really great Q&A - thank you for sharing

@OptoThemes 2 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@josephharley9448 11 месяцев назад

brilliant

@OptoThemes 3 года назад

Come join our live Q&A with Trevor tomorrow, December 2nd, 1-2pm GMT. Sign up here: www.cmcmarkets.com/en-gb/opto/webinars/rrg

@bakaniellece9132 4 года назад

I keep clearing my throat for him

@kyleporter7509 3 года назад

Thought it was just me LOL

@aquaoracles Год назад

🤣🤣

@shaun9286 4 года назад

The trick lies in forex sentiment. I have data from 20mins up to 1 week of clients Long and short positions. Whenever all timeframes show more than 60% Long or short one side, I will take the other side. 100% of the time it works. I have successfully turned 1k into 100k over period of 6 months

@stowking6091 4 года назад

Im just wondering do you use stop loss

@louispointe9233 4 года назад

Singapore how can we get our hand on that data?

@shaun9286 4 года назад

@@louispointe9233 u need to look at just usd high impact data and make sure that the price follows the data. Always trade on value price. I wont dig in deeper. Understand what i say and spot it out yourself

@pedrolorea168 4 года назад

Ohhh man, I really nice approach, and where do you get this data from these timeframes??

@perrys9872 4 года назад

Stow king no I don’t use it anymore because if u trade u have to stay on.

@antonnovo695 2 года назад

True

@Sniperentryfxg 4 месяца назад

Interesting

@mansourar3554 3 года назад

"Manipulation" . it is their game .

@chrisrobbie8675 2 года назад

And I liked it 😃 It fuels my position

@blessed..91 18 дней назад

Hello sir tell me about intraday how to trade on it i am having to much financial issues plz take my question love from India

@1conkers1 Год назад

Why would anyone compete, no retail or even moderate fund can compete in fact trading isn’t a competitive activity. You trade your style/edge and manage the outcomes

@Trader_bulbul 3 месяца назад

Thanks sir I see day trading and scalping us just gambling

@georginsabu8102 3 года назад

7:44

@zhengxijiang4087 3 года назад

Institutional traders have speed advantages, they have advantages in short term frame for that reason

@ivicakoren1924 3 года назад

Then trade h1

@stekhopp4041 2 года назад

Whats the name of the retail software at 3:59 min. ? Who knows it? Cant find it

@thewhitekitchen7278 2 года назад

Mt4 it's a plateforme where you place orders

@stekhopp4041 2 года назад

@@thewhitekitchen7278 thank you. I couldnt understand his accent.

@thewhitekitchen7278 2 года назад

@@stekhopp4041 yeah, british accent is quite hard. You are welcome

@BattlefieldHeroes-kw8ne 4 года назад

Very rare content...

@OptoThemes 4 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@shaun9286 4 года назад

U just need to trade against the crowd simple

@perrys9872 3 года назад

shaun no u need to trade with the whales 🐳

@teddymthembu123 3 года назад

@@zanspehonja4467 they most certainly dont. If they did 75-90% of them wouldn't be losing money

@teddymthembu123 3 года назад

@@zanspehonja4467 fair point, I think the large institutions have more weight in pushing the price, and the retail traders are almost always trading the opposite of the institutions, and as you may have guessed, the institutions are usually correct. I have been using COT report, Retail sentiment, price action to my trading and it's actually good. With the retail sentiment almost always trading against the institutions, if they moved price (an easy example right now is USDJPY, GBPJPY, GBPCHF, USDCHF) the Institutions are net short on GBP, net long on CHF, Net long on JPY, which means they believe GBP will get weak, CHF will get strong, and the dollar is weakening, but if you look at trader's sentiment they are net long on usdjpy, usdchf, gbpchf, gbpjpy and all those pairs have been going down for quite some time, so who really does move the market?

@teddymthembu123 3 года назад

@@zanspehonja4467 actually there is a way to get a glimpse of what the institutions are doing, but the data is released 2 days late from their entry, it is a lagging indicator but it's one of the more accurate ones, COT data is free and it shows how invested institutions are invested in the market, and also the commercials + the retail traders, this was enforced on them that they should provide this data so it gives you an idea where smart money is plying their trades, the retail trader sentiment is being published by brokers, this doesn't really show the full picture since the data published is from that specific broker alone, but more and more brokers are publishing this data so you can look at how the retails are trading and most often they are all having the same bias on almost all the brokers that upload this data, and to pick off from your point, like you said that Bitcoin moves against what the social media is saying(retail traders) who are buying Bitcoin because of its surge, this is exactly what we call market sentiment. If you would start to look for shorts just when Bitcoin is being talked about you'd be in profit, and also look to buy when everyone is hyping up the sells, this is why I'm saying fading retail sentiment is actually a logical way to trade given the majority is always entering the market late when it's about to turn, what you need to master after this analogy is your entry.

@teddymthembu123 3 года назад

@@zanspehonja4467 this is why I say your entry is important, you shouldn't sell just because the majority is buying, you should start looking for sell signals once the hype is there, for example, many people were saying Tesla bubble will burst and started shorting it, yet it crossed the $1000 mark and took out many retail traders, same for gold, currently the retail traders are buying it extremely, but it doesn't mean you should sell right away, it means you should probably start preparing yourself for sells, wait for reversal patterns and position yourself in areas of conflict(support/resistance), and also look at how the institutional traders are positioned by using the COT report, if they are still long on Gold then it will most likely still go up and then this will be the 10-25% of the time where retail traders are also correct, remember they also do get the market direction correct sometimes as well, so fading them everytime without any good reason wouldn't be a totally good idea. Over the weekend I did say GBPJPY is a short, Gbpusd, usdjpy, usdchf, gbpchf, I don't really remember which pairs I called altogether, but if uou could go to your charts and see the pairs I mentioned now you would've been they have moved quite a bit from the levels I called them. Once you master the entries for this sort of trading everything becomes so interesting. It's like the market is telling you a story and you're the listener.

@genoropesa9896 8 дней назад

You go along with them...

@Itsupthere123 26 дней назад

Understand this CHANGE YOUR LIFE

@shindersamra4020 3 года назад

Some of news joe blog don’t get hear about by then stock moves so ordinary person get chances. Good data IN NOT FREE.

@dalliboyrt9927 3 года назад

Awesome

@OptoThemes 2 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@genoropesa9896 8 дней назад

Retirement fund managers after salary day, once all the check deductions in their acct and ready, usually after 3 or 5 days, they will start buying...high or low price, they have to buy, that is not their money so they will buy it, usually they day trade, then your retirement money stays the same at a fix rate, on the other hand they are already making 7 fold. Some platform will show it ....volume will show that. You have to be observant....

@moonbull3137 3 года назад

What were the secrets?

@yassinetalbi5884 2 года назад

How about stop hunts ? The market is always manipulating the highs and low every single day of every session…

@jimle8444 3 года назад

Go to higher time frame.

@valleyautodiagnostics 3 года назад

Market manipulation part is complete BS but i get it he can't say in retail traders eye that we screw you over whenever we can.

@TheBennik 2 года назад

That's how they make money. So follow them, don't fight them.

@TradingNirvana 4 месяца назад

It’s the truth, but after being brainwashed by fellows like ICT I can’t blame you for thinking like that.

@mansourar3554 3 года назад

Retail traders and all those of that mindset will lose money.. why? Because of technical analysis. It is the way they take your money. Believe me, you will never make money, or if you ever will, you will lose it tenfold the next trade 🤣

@nickjohns1192 2 года назад

I'd still take this with a pinch a salt. He'd hardly tell all without hanging alot of his buddies. Alot of what he's saying most of us already know

@lombardo141 3 года назад

In the age of $GME this interview aged bad and well at the same time. 😂

@superpeibol007 3 года назад

8:08 Do you really think institutional investors buy support sell resistance, really? Just think for a moment, if they are able to move the market meaning that they have liquidity "problems" they will trick people into selling (if they need to buy) by making planned movements in the price that will trigger stop losses and sell stop orders. SO of course what Trevor says about buying support is absolutely the opposite, as institutional investors they are looking to buy under the support, in most cases, or at least do the opposite of what the reatail investors are doing. In a simple way: they will make retail sell at the lowest level when institutional traders will buy, hence making people lose money while they profit from their losses and having a great average buy price. This is how 99% of markets operate on a day to day basis, and that is why I trade doing the opposite of what people is thinking.

@adaamm 3 года назад

Hahaha

@tamer3168 2 года назад

What is a good way to identify the herd sentiment. BTW you are absolutely correct.

@Akbar_ABKs 2 года назад

Secrets huh

@davidc4408 4 месяца назад

Love to know his networth

@dronelton47 3 года назад

Old version of ICT 🤔

@aquaoracles Год назад

At 9:48 he describes market manipulation and yet denies market manipulation exists... I don't gerrit!

@oksolets 2 года назад

You need to re-train your video guy, he keeps moving the camera back and forth thinking it’s cool, but it’s distracting, we care about the words of the speaker not the camera angles.

@michaellloyd79 3 года назад

Believe me, this guy is giving away no secrets advising to invest time in tecnical analysis is a load of rubbish as 95% of traders lose money using this.

@teddymthembu123 3 года назад

Then trade against retail traders and you'll make money 65%+ of the time

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@institutionaltrading5876 3 года назад

I listened a few minutes to what he says but he makes no sense. While you have the overlapse of the sessions and the books are gonna be transfered to the next shift (in this case I am talking about brokers), first thing they see pop-op on their screen are the accounts that have margin problems. That's why somethimes at the beginning of the new day you can see a spike. So only off of this information, how is there no manipulation?

@ONE_KINGS_TABLE 3 года назад

When he started saying there wasn't any market manipulation on the part of hedge funds, he lost credibility in my eyes.

@aquaoracles Год назад

Same here

@bobvalley2221 3 года назад

No manipulation, hahahahahahaha sure buddy.

@alissagooglethestvekstrate4934 3 года назад

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