Can you believe Berman & Braga planned to create a full season based on the "Year of Hell" plot? That's going to darker and depressing than the Dominion War plot in DS9.
@ Indeed. "Voyager" would've been remembered as one of the more badass classic Trek series had they proceed with this plot. Instead its now one of the most boring and forgettable series (save for a few of its characters like Seven and the Doctor). A lost opportunity indeed.
Darn! I wish they had done it!! THIS episode is my favourite and if they considered making such an extensive foray into this, they read my quasi-Vulcan mind💪🏿❤️👍🏿‼️
@@faytneris Still complaining about these kinds of comments even 20 years later? Time to let go. ;) It's not like people are going to stop pointing out a show's missed opportunities just for the likes of you. ^^
@@faytneris I'm sure you think you're clever, deleting your comment, so that mine doesn't have any context, but joke's on you. I anticipated that you would do that, and screenshotted what you said. :D imgur.com/a/u5AH2DW
@@faytneris On a more serious note, though... Voyager is a fun and entertaining show, but it did have a lot of missed opportunities to be better. It's important to acknowledge this, because if people can learn from their mistakes, they can make better shows in the future. Otherwise, you might end up with another Star Trek Picard. :P
@@tormuse2916 Thank you for sharing that very interesting detail about yourself! The idea alone, to screenshot comments by people one randomly encounters on a vast digital platform... That really says a lot! I guess, this "anticipating" beforehand gives you the feeling you'd be so much more clever than others, in a seemingly superior way. Your first response already gave that away, how "cleverish" you mirrored another person's comment. I know some people need that to feel great or above others. But in the end, the very behavior itself tells so much more about you than about any other. People now know exactly what kind of person you are, how you'd treat others, how you'd play with others like they were toys rather than people, how you'd monitore everything and what kind of moves are to be expected from you in a mere exchange of thoughts and opinions. And "petty" is not the most fitting word for it. And yes, the constant complaining for two whole decades about something that already is a done deal, seems rather ridiculous. There comes a time in life where you just let go of such things, "missed opportunities" or not and roll with it. Voyager often could have explored more areas of certain stories but they did not. Done. No need to repeat the same circle of thoughts year after year.
I finally figured it out!!!Why they could never fix the timeline 100% The crew of the timeship are outside spacetime, ergo, their lack of existence in the timeline creates a butterfly effect tweaking the very timeline they are trying to restore. The mission to restore the timeline was doomed before it ever began.
I like how the doctor thought for a while and just shut the door. He probably just looked at those and realized there were no major characters around them. So it`s safe to close the door
@Insert any name you want Lol but seriously i am sure he realized as much as he wanted to save them.Their was no time.That if he did not close the hatch more would die from the explosion's back draft when it entered the tube.So he did what he had to do.
@@MasterofSpiders oh i totally agree. They could have had Wildman die a horrific death for added shock value. Plus the audience knowing she wasn't a main cast member, suspension of disbelief would remain intact. They would have thought she would stay dead like other secondary characters they introduced like Seska or Hogan.
My single favorite episode of Voyager. Kurtwood Smith's performance as Annorax is PERFECT. A megalomaniac who's worse-than-killed numerous entire civilizations, and yet a strangely reasonable man, who averts all the archvillain tropes by using his brain *and* having a heart. Should go down in literary history as a portrait of obsession comparable to Captain Ahab.
"We have ALL eternity to accomplish our mission..." I used to think Captain Red was based on Ahab, and there is a lot of meat on that bone, but have you considered --- One of the Twilight Zone episodes, "Death Ship", has Jack Klugman as a captain of a spaceship orbiting a planet when there is a flash of light on the planet. His fellow astronaut says he sees something, and they land to investigate. The light was a reflection from a crashed spaceship, an exact duplicate of Klugman's ship, including the bodies of the 3 astronauts. Captain Jack believes it an alien trick, and orders the men to take off, which they do, and then land again. The other ship is still there. While investigating further, the other 2 astronauts pass beyond the ship and the planet, into Heaven, where friends and family await them, I think one says they have been waiting for them for so long. But then Klugman shows up, and brings them back to the spaceship, screaming that it's an alien trick, and they will find the answer, the real answer because they aren't dead, and they will go over it again and again and again and again and -- Then the scene cuts to the ship in orbit around the planet, like in the beginning of this hour-long episode. One of the astronauts sees a flash of light, and the whole Ragnarokian cycle begins again. Three dead men, doomed to sail for all eternity, because the captain will not-- cannot-- see that his time is up. One man, with such a John Wick-level of willpower, that not even God gets to say, "Rest, now". In my highly biased opinion, this is Klugman's best work, the most visceral. Sure, "In Praise Of Pip" is famous, and there is the trumpet episode, but this one is my favorite. "We have ALL eternity...." Also recommended: Simon Oakland's "30 Fathom Grave", and Lee Marvin's "The Grave". Watch them.
I don't say this enough but this two part ep is my highlight of Star Trek Voyager. It is so much what I love about creativity in Star Trek, the emotional arc, the complex antagonist, the stakes and consequences, rising against nearly insurmountable odds.
Funny enough, there was one incursion that would have fixed the issue with 100% guarantee. And restored his wife: Remove the Timeship itself! No timeship, no original incursion. Everything back to where it was. A pity janeway needed to do that for him.
Didn't Kes warn them about this species and even gave Janeway the 1.47ns torpedo time? That one episode where Kes traveled from the future back through time.
Right, but unlike the end of the episode, that should have erased the entire crew of the ship too. I can understand why they'd be a little reluctant to do that...
Annorax' problem was that he wasn't being honest to his crew. He didn't want to recreate the Krennim empire, just that one colony. If he had been honest and calculated to only restore that one colony instead of hoping that restoring the entire empire would do so, he'd probably not have to deal with 200 years of failures.
Also, his solution was simple. The problem was with having the weapon in the first place. All he needed was to protect his memory of what will happen, and remove the weapon ship from existence. Everything will be restore to it original state, with him knowing never to let it happen again. But it never crosses his mind to destroy what he created.
I think it really was all about his love for one woman that was the reason for his obsession.A heartwarming tale of doing anything for the woman you love💖💞💖
@@jymfysher7704 Not really heartwarming when you consider that he liberally screwed with the fates of billions or even trillions of individuals. That's a massive god-complex right there.
But it's clear his main motivation is to bring back his true love.Would you not do the same if ya could?And in the end all is as it was,proving love is divine !
@@jymfysher7704 Someone who thinks only about his own desires while casually murdering and resurrecting trillions of other lives on a whim is pure evil. It doesn't matter what I would do, only that I have no sympathy for anyone who acts in this way.
Voyager, of all of Star Trek, was the best series. With only six 'Spock's Brain' deeply bad episodes over the entire series, it had the most consistent and solid writing of any of the series: Next Gen included. It had the most interesting characters, and the strongest level of emotion with regard to them. And above all, it had 'Captain Mom' in a series-long arc of gradually going shit-ass crazy until, using all the advanced technology referenced from the entire series before (Star Trek normally forgets every new technology by the next episode) she puts it all together, uses it like a boss, and gets her crew home. And totally screws the Borg along the way for good measure. No other Star Trek series had such character growth: every character changed radically by the end of the series, in a gradual and believable way. Every advance they made eventually paid off in the end. Fantastic acting, fantastic scripts (mostly, note above), and fantastic characters combined to make a completely solid show that has aged better than any other Trek series, period. And yet, despite all of this, man-babies still whine about a - shudder - woman captain, and complain that the heart of the crew, the utterly vital and lovable Neelix, triggers their insecurities. Voyager has never gotten the respect it absolutely deserved, and no commercial effort to upscale it for Blu-Ray has ever been made. Voyager was the best of Star Trek, and like the futuristic and radically progressive values of the future that Star Trek shows us, apparently cannot be fully embraced in our own time period.
I've honestly never heard of anyone who legitimately cares about the captain of Voyager being female. While she's female and it did affect the show (I think in a positive way, considering what they did with the character), there were some issues with Voyager, but I've always likes the Voyager/DS9 era of Trek. The only serious negative plot points I can think of are: 1. The Borg getting nerfed. (happens in almost every syndicated scifi show anyways, from Trek, to Stargate, to Andromeda. Just once, I want an evil bad guy that stays ultra powerful until the very end.) 2. Harry Kim's character development getting sidelined. 3. Kes-centric episodes. (She was my least favorite character from that show, but I think that was personal preference.) Although, I have to agree with you. There have been way too many people just complaining about Voyager, and they don't take it for what it was.
OBSESSION. Do you remember that episode, from the first Star Trek series? Can you also see it, the theme of obsession in Janeway and her chief adversary here? Impressive!! So very well done was this episode. My ALL-TIME favourite, “ my precious “ and... GO MIKEY‼️‼️‼️
Doctor: Doctor to Bridge ... We've got a power overload in Sickbay. I need an engineer down here right away. Chakotay: Stand by, Doctor. Harry, can you handle it from here? (clearly B'Elanna and Seven aren't available) Harry Kim: No sir ... the overload is spreading. Half that deck is gonna blow in less than five minutes!
And within these 5 minutes Torres or Seven might have gotten this solved without the overload. Two great engineers and Chakotays turns to the Ensign ...
@@faytneris there is no value in technobabbel that makes stuff explode inn Star Trek. I simple fuse or overload release would have prevented this. It's probably the same design as used in the consoles with all that explodium. The biggest Flaw in the whole Franchise,the writers have no idea about Technik.
@@aikrichter5403 You are totally digressing from the in-universe situation. In their case all stuff tends to explode. The Ensign was the wrong one to turn to. Just roll with it. It is fiction ;)
Completely different situation as both Kim and Jetal had a equal chance of survival and he chose his friend which his ethical subordinates couldn’t handle. Here he had no choice but to seal the deck before it blew. His patients, the rest of the crew evacuating were at risk and possibly the ship itself if he hadn’t seal the hatch.
@@HippeusOmega The fact that that was even an issue was weird for me. His friendship notwithstanding, Harry's a senior officer. If triage via possibility of survival is impossible, Harry is still the logical choice.
Who designs a Star Ship without an emergency beam back function? You know: there's a hull breach, crew get sucked out into space, computer locks on to them and transports them back to a pre-determined area of the ship, crew get to live. But nope, instead it's: Kaboom "Goodbye everyone!"
B4 Red tried blowing Voyager to holy hell, Janeway shoulda beamed over a copy of ‘Moby Dick’.... Ahab, much?😂 Seriously i loathed this dude and was overjoyed that Janeway’s final use of auto-destruct was to drive her ship right into his big dumb face.😂
I don't understand all the comments mocking this scene. For starters it's a great scene in one of the best Voyager episodes ever. More importantly, this scene reveals the evolution of the doctor from a sarcastic two-dimensional hologram to a thoughtful and caring member of the crew. The heartbreak and conflict on his face represents an incredible growth and development in the doctor character. This is a wonderful scene.
I have so many non-story questions about being on the time ship. They do not age, but do they eat? Sweat? Bleed? Poop? If any or all of those things, then how are their needs met?
With time traveling aliens like the Sulibans and the Krenims planning to do nasty things with their time traveling ships. I'm sure that keeps 31st century Starfleet very busy.
he probably encountered the devastation on the raided outpost and held his wife in his arms.....and after she passed away....he took that lock of hair as a remembrance....which then later turned into grief stricken obsession....
I don’t think the ship could time travel as such. It pushed items out of the space-time continuum, erasing them from history. They managed to erase their enemies from history, but failed to realise that without them the Krenim would never have developed a crucial antibody - thousands died through disease. He’s been trying to undo that mistake ever since, but can’t retrieve anything he’s already deleted.
Honest kind dumbest eps. You have this new astrometrics lab. At first sign your no match plot new course .. Also the bad guy even if u could reset timeline 100% the person u wanted bring back be dead bc she would lived 200 yrs ago
This Temporal weapon ship doesn't just rewrite time, but reality and circumstances too... if he restored the timeline 100% of the Imperium and his wife from however long ago, they would exist in the "now"... this temporal ship should really be called a reality weapon ship because it does more than just rewrite time bit by bit
