Sega Black Belt - Cancelled Console - Sega Saturn Sequel!? 

Yes for sure

Pretty sure the same goes for nintendo and sony, who knows what they had been hiding from us

John Crafton 3DFx would have better choice than the PowerVR and plus Sega already made th Black belt why can't Sega release it instead of the Dural/katana console?

You must have neither watched the video nor read my comment. No one ever said the PowerVR2 was a better choice. Also, Sega made BOTH the Blackbelt and the Dural. The two were developed concurrently, with SoA developing Blackbelt and SoJ developing Dural. SoJ, having no trust in SoA or in 3Dfx, decided to go with their own design. It's that simple. Is it possible the Blackbelt could've been a better or more successful design? Sure. We'll never know. My own comment was to refute Sega of Japan's idea that the 3Dfx wasn't good for arcades, as well as the idea that it would've been a step down from PowerVR2. In other words, you're simply agreeing with me while making it sound like you want to argue.

I am not trying to argue with you. I am saying that Sega of Japan should have chosen the 3DFX chip over the PowerVR series since it will not alienate potential 3rd parties from the Dreamcast and the Banshee competitive with the PowerVR2.

It's sad to see that Sega were so incompetent because they certainly had the talent and the Dreamcast is my favorite console of all time

Joe Smith, you mean Peter Moore, not Peter Molyneux, Peter Molyneux had nothing to do with Sega, he was with Lionhead which were the company responsible for Black and White and Project Ego - the game that later became Fable, and was originally intended to be a natively built Dreamcast game.

Yeah Peter Moore not Molyneux lel. As much I like his early stuff, Molyneux's done enough to ruin his reputation without ascribing to him things he had nothing to do with ;)

@@groidcel fresh from the lips of the third Reich.

How the hell did you get three thumbs up?

"the Dreamcast wasn't the worst console to end development with." I agree. A few years ago, just when I thought the Dreamcast was "dead," it's a console widely supported by homebrew game developers. And there is a thriving community of programmers for the console. Incredible. Still, the Dreamcast is a pretty powerful piece of hardware. It's still a blast to play Club Kart in the arcades! (I know the NAOMI is a souped-up Dreamcast, but the graphics still could hold a candle to consoles of the same generation, if not better.)

Sega would have had a Monopoly.

You didn't consider that being on TV might've gotten you laid more? Hmmmmmmm...

It was 1995, if you played video games you were a nerd and a loser, the glorification of nerds wasn't a thing then. Also, no, being in a local cable TV spot has never gotten someone laid.

*It was 1995, if you played video games you were a nerd and a loser* We lived during the same time, but lived very different experiences, because everybody played video games in my area. Teachers played them, all the kids played them, the girls played them. The girls who didn't used to sit around and cheer the guys on especially at the corner arcade when Mortal Kombat hit. *Also, no, being in a local cable TV spot has never gotten someone laid.* Sheee-it...

referral madness no, it was very gay and there was no money involved. If I was 13 it would be cool - but I was 19-20 and was on the hunt for poon - and being a dweeb on local cable saying how kewl Sega was would have made that impossible.

I don't recall having to use any add on device to allow me to play tekken 3 on my original launch model ps1 back in the day. I had an external mod chip plugged into the rear serial port but that was just to allow my system to read games from other regions, burned copies of games as well as adding game genie cheat codes and stuff. There definitely wasn't any sort of add-on to boost the performance capabilities of the system available for purchase in the north American market region.

Don Merrigan The add on was cancelled if it was anything other than a rumour. Namco probably decided they could do an OK version without it. I think it was meant to be a RAM upgrade, or something.

I had a PS1 from launch and didn't need any add-on to play Tekken 3. I've never heard of such a thing until now.

Also wondering what the heck that was. It looks so familiar.

Cutting off ones nose to spite one's face comes to mind.

Dude, the PowerVR2 was Direct3D compatible as well as OpenGL compatible. It wasn't the GPU that was holding it back from being compatible. It was instead the Hitachi SH-4 CPU and the use of WindowsCE - neither of which would've been able to handle actual PC games. I loved the 3Dfx stuff as well, and I do think they made a mistake; however, it had nothing to do with whether or not "perfect ports" were possible. The PowerVR2 was also a PC-gaming chipset, and the PowerVR2-based graphics cards played the same games as the 3Dfx ones, only without Glide as the API. Since most games handled multiple APIs at the time (DirectX, Glide, OpenGL), that wasn't really a loss at all.

+John Crafton SH4 cpu is fine and Windows CE was used in the minority of DC games,it was a useless thing. Dreamcast needed a dvd and a dual analog controller,with these,Ps2 wouldnt have a reason to exist.

Vasileios - You missed my point entirely. I was responding to the idea that the 3Dfx would've somehow allowed for it to have "perfect ports" of PC games. My point was that it wasn't the 3Dfx holding it back from doing so, but instead it was the SH-4 CPU (which had a wildly different architecture) and WindowsCE (which didn't support the same APIs). Both were "fine", but neither one made ports of PC 3D games easy. The PS2 had "reason to exist" because Sony wanted to stay in the market that already gave them great success. Had Sega worked with them in making the console the previous generation instead of the Saturn, then the PS2 wouldn't exist. But since the Playstation was already a thing, and since it was quite successful, Sony would've made the PS2 regardless of whether or not the Dreamcast was better.

Maybe if it had if used the 3dfx chip then it would have also used an x86 processor. Who knows. Maybe it would have been the original pc architect console rather than the Xbox. Don't get me.wrong I love the dreamcast, fantastic console that is often overlooked but I do think a glide api console would of been a big thing.

Maybe. You never know. By the time the DC came out, the Glide API had been pretty close to abandoned on the PC side for OpenGL and Direct3D. In many cases, the games simply used those as a wrapper for Glide, but most did not. It was a decent API, and as close to the "metal" of 3Dfx chipset as you could get, and I'd have loved to have seen what a dedicated development for it could look like (beyond the Rush series). The 3Dfx version of Tomb Raider looked far better than every other version at that point, and Glide made the best of Quake II, Interstate 76, Resident Evil, Need for Speed II:SE, and MechWarrior 2. That said, the followups to those games ended up making things pretty even on the Direct3D and OpenGL cards like the Riva128 and the Matrox G400. Maybe 3Dfx would still be in business right now if Sega had hooked up with them then. At the time, what they were doing was equal to the PowerVR2 and better than anything SGI had done for Nintendo. Plus, the PC-based architecture was far easier to develop for than Sony's custom "Emotion Engine" and "Graphics Synthesizer" combo. In truth, I think Sega of Japan would've screwed up the Blackbelt release and subsequent support just as much as they did the Dural. At that point, I honestly don't believe they had a chance. When the heads of two different markets refuse to listen to each other and cooperate, neither one will flourish. It's a shame, really.

DCJY - the1ross similar fashion to the Saturn, Jupiter and Mars projects.

It doesn't make sense at all. But!!! consider this is Sega. They created the greatest system for its time and it failed. That also does not make sense. I HAD HIGH HOPES FOR MY DREAMCAST!!!!!

@@diddybootz Well they were running low on money to begin with when they launched it. So I'd argue it was a matter of time.

@@wonder-games3579 Yeah, when you run out of money the game is over. But nowadays most systems are using a Dreamcast function as their standard. First to do it and the first to fail. Gand opening Grand closing.....Is their a community of DC enthusiast?

It is a 32X infommercial.

@@TopHatGamingManChannelSo it is! Have since found it! Thank you!

Todd Jamesonhow I know the Vodoo2 is underpowered. However the Banshee matches the PowerVR2 in clocking and memory. Also, has the 8 MB and 16 MB VRAMs. What sets PowerVR2 different from the Banshee?

at time (1998) the voodoo 2 was the most powerful 3d accelerator for the pc, you can even have them in sli for 24mg of video ram. In sli it was faster than the voodoo 3 or the banshee.

Frankxx87 didn't know that. How how fast it can go?

imagine the dreamcast with 2 voodoo 2 in sli.......

Selling for $799 in 1999. So basically equivalent to about $1200 nowadays. Yeah, thanks but no thanks.

It would have had to be a custom chip built for Sega...not a Voodoo 3

Wrong, Sega is an Asian rooted company with a stronger European holding than in America. Other than the Genesis, America has always been Sega's worst market. It was also Sega of America that wanted Sega to transition to a third party role in the home market (Sega are still 1st party in Arcades) if it meant that Sega would work with global appliance competitor Sony, even Kalimske wanted it at one point. Charles Bellfield and Peter Moore were the ones who wanted to convince Sega Japan main HQ to suspend home hardware line and let American company Microsoft eventually take its place in America as a main hardware player, even though they failed to do the same in Japan. Charles Bellfield and Peter Moore presented that 'Manifesto for the future' document to present to Sega in Japan, which angered many Sega executives who walked out the room in disgust.

"Wrong, Sega is an Asian rooted company with a stronger European holding than in America. Other than the Genesis, America has always been Sega's worst market." First wrong, Sega was co-founded by an American EX-Pat living in Japan, David Rosen . And second are you serious? The only Sega console that was successful in the EU that failed in North America was the Master System. The 32X, Saturn and Dreamcast all bombed in the EU just like they did in NA. "It was also Sega of America that wanted Sega to transition to a third party role in the home market (Sega are still 1st party in Arcades) if it meant that Sega would work with global appliance competitor Sony, even Kalimske wanted it at one point." Considering how Sony proceeded to drive Sega out of the hardware business with both the PS1 and PS2 even managing to knock Nintendo down to distant second and steal most of their best third party developers I'd say Kalinske was on to something. "Charles Bellfield and Peter Moore were the ones who wanted to convince Sega Japan main HQ to suspend home hardware line and let American company Microsoft eventually take its place in America as a main hardware player, even though they failed to do the same in Japan. Charles Bellfield and Peter Moore presented that 'Manifesto for the future' document to present to Sega in Japan, which angered many Sega executives who walked out the room in disgust." You're leaving out the reason why they wanted that was because Sega had become utterly irrelevant in the gaming world at that point even in their home country of Japan where the PS2 was utterly curbstomping them into the ground and they were nearly bankrupt due to all the money they'd sank into failures like the 32X and Saturn. Moore has even said he flat out told the Japanese execs that Sega was going to go out of business if they didn't exit the hardware business when the Dreamcast failed and that a large part of why he left Sega was the Japanese side's bull headed stubbornness and refusal to listen to what the American branch was telling them.

According to Sega of America. Yeah, I wouldn't expect a different claim.

A mix of Nights into Dreams, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Virtua Fighter, Saturn Bomberman and Bomberman Hero.

The song at the very end, specifically... can you specify the track name for us?

sumbodyshero last song is a sonic song, not sure which game but def sonic

Well SEGA and Nintendo were at the time selling their consoles at a profit. Nintendo in fact still sells their hardware at a profit in fact. Sony decided to sell their hardware at a loss, making profits off the back of licensing games.

Sega and Nintendo were used to, and stuck with, old schemes, traditional ways of thinking. There was a "it's always worked like this so let's keep doing it that way" mentality going on. Sony was, as you said, a newcomer, so it had no legacy. It came with fresh, new ideas. Which turned out to be efficient. Also Sony was really really reaaaaaaaaaaaaally good at marketing.

@@Liam3072 Nope. Sony had DEEP Pockets of Money. Cash. They used Corporate muscle and attempted to Monopolize the Gaming Market.

RadRacer 88 yup...they wasted so much money on eternal championships....when they just couldn’t make the thing fly..Nintendo creamed them with killer instinct.. If sega was one ...they would have japan and America workin on games together ..imagine if treasure had worked the gameplay of eternal champions ... 1.The sega cd was not a total failure The genesis not having an open color palette and enough ram ..bottlenecked the sega cd .. 2.And developers not taking time to make sega cd games an entity on its own and just slight upgrades to genesis games .. They should have just 1.waited & optimize the genesis With more ram ... more color ...better sound and the 6-button controller from launch .. 2.developed the sega cd as 32-bit system to be released in 1996 with pure 3d gaming in mind and to run 2d games wonderfully... Sega mistake with the Saturn..was 1.the internal harddrive and video disk tech made it $100 dollers overpriced ....they should have went with memory cards or sticks 2.the controller wasn’t terrible but they wasn’t keeping up with the comp *needed twin analog sticks like Sony *built in rumble *and long handles that the industry’s saw enhanced comfort

After SOJ wanted to release it as a new console instead.

A dual Voodoo2 would probably had fared worse than what the PowerVR had to offer, and at around twice or thrice the pricepoint, too.

really, i was looking for one of those cards, they are very expensive. to bad the Saturn got nvidia, parts of me wish 3dfx was still around and NVIDIA failed. dreamcast must use a shittier version i think voodoo 2 sli can outperform the DC, especially with a cpu of your choice

If SOA had been in charge the Saturn Day debacle which killed Sega's retail and Dev support in the West would have never happened and the 32X/Neptune would have been Sega's 5th Gen hardware as SOA were hugely in favor of still supporting the Genesis. And do you remember who hired Stolar after Sony had fired him for doing that on the PS1 and gave him free reign over the American division? Sega of Japan.

@@AxeCrazyAutobot I'm not absolving SOJ of any responsibility. What I am saying is that SOA was hardly any better. You said it yourself: they wanted to keep supporting the Genesis well into the 32 bit era. If they had their way, the Saturn may have never been released in the US. Do you think there would have even been a Dreamcast if that happened? Both of them were too shortsighted, but SOJ made the final call on hardware, so obviously they were going to get their way. Ultimately, it was a matter of two different visions clashing with each other, neither one necessarily better than the other in the long run.

Nintendo kept supporting the SNES until 1999,Sony kept supporting the PS1 till 2004,PS2 lasted until 2012 and the PS3 only ended WW production last year. The reason for that is simple; Not everyone is willing to jump headfirst into the next gen due to cost. So it's generally a good idea to keep your old hardware around for a while as a cheap alternative. The Genesis was still selling well in America when SOJ made the boneheaded decision to kill it worldwide to focus exclusively on the Saturn, because fuck everywhere that isn't Japan right? I'd rather have Sega still around as a hardware maker then the Dreamcast. Who knows if Sega went with Neptune CDs might not have taken off until the sixth gen since other then the PS1 every CD console in the fifth gen failed hard. And as much as I love my Playstation they largely benefited from Sega and Nintendo's screw ups in the fifth gen be it pissing off retailers,consumers and developers with awful PR stunts that backfired horribly(Sega) or being draconian controlling assholes(Nintendo).

@@AxeCrazyAutobot The Genesis was supported well into the 90's as well in the form of the Genesis 3. If you think Sega would have continued to make hardware in the face of competition as fierce as the seventh generation, I have to doubt your business acumen. The moment the PS2 was announced it became clear that everything else was in a race for second place. Had the Dreamcast never come out, I doubt Sega would have made another platform and even if they did, it too would have probably been their last.

I'm not sure I understand you... you think it would have been a better idea for Sega's 32-bits console in the west to be the 32X? Do you realize how underpowered this console is compared to the Playstation and N64? The 32X is barely able to display a bunch of textured polygons while keeping a decent framerate. Virtua Fighter is about as far as it can go. How do you think it would have fared against the Playstation? Yeah, SoJ should have waited 2 or 3 more months to launch the Saturn in Japan so as to have a more polished launch, but overall, it wouldn't have made a significant difference. What doomed the Saturn overall is not its botched launch, but a lack of support from 3rd parties due to how difficult it was to program, how overengineered it was, and how quirky the hardware was, when Sony came with a simple and elegant design that was easy to develop on.

They were right, Sony was just an appliance manufacturing company at best and has never had as rich a heritage in software compared to Sega or Nintendo, because Sony, like Microsoft, it not a true videogame company. And it's still true to an extent today, Sony is better known for hardware than software, look at the majority of the PlayStations best known games, Sony has no involvement with them, they just make the machine and hide behind the PlayStation name every generation to guarantee sales, but it has to work well with actual videogame companies by offering them very good licence deals to tempt them to the PlayStation licence and devkits otherwise they'd just go to Sega and/or Nintendo and PlayStation would be completely irrelevant because Sony doesn't do it's own games so it would have barely have any exclusives.

"They were right, Sony was just an appliance manufacturing company at best and has never had as rich a heritage in software compared to Sega or Nintendo, because Sony, like Microsoft, it not a true videogame company." Sony was making games for the Sega CD long before they made the Playstation and Microsoft has been involved with gaming on computers since the mid 90s with DOS. " Sony is better known for hardware than software, look at the majority of the PlayStations best known games, Sony has no involvement with them " Yes let's ignore that huge hits like Gran Turismo,God of War,Jak and Daxter,Uncharted and Twisted Metal were all created by Sony owned studios. " but it has to work well with actual videogame companies by offering them very good licence deals" You mean just like Nintendo and Sega "actual video game companies" had to? We saw how well going at it alone has worked for them with Sega being driven out of the market and Nintendo being nearly driven to irrelevancy outside the handheld market until the Wii hit.

@@finaltuned2755 Sony right now is pretty much a Game Company with a Shitty Movie Division.