Segmented Displays 

I think it’s awsome that he created every scene himself, makes the video completely unique, and more interesting, becuase everything is created to serve the contextual argument!

so hes not programming each item in the video is he? probably tracking the object and masking it on using something like blender. edit: just say the part where he made his own watch mockup. very cool that he can do both engineering, coding, 3d tracking, video editing and showing the design process

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i think the background music in the video is also made by him which is cool and makes this video truly original

Oh, I assure you, those digits *really* don't look right, and it is painfully obvious that they are compromises. And it's not just in how they look. Many digits in seven segment form differ from each other in only one segment, so it can be really hard to work out which number a display is showing, and there is a real risk that you might accidentally misread a digit. That problem is not so great with the rounded forms at the top at 1:31, or with 5x7-dot elements.

Two squares Perfectly balanced

@@rosiefay7283 there are compromises and there are better ways to do it, but i think you missed the point that a lot of us are so used to the box 7 segment that visually it just doesn't look off anymore like the compromises are no longer aesthetic in nature because we've gotten so used to how they look, the accessibility compromises still exist (and are why i generally don't use it) but not the aesthetic compromises Like for me I'm so used to the 7 segment design that it looks entirely normal to me, the difference between normal and 7 segment numbers for me has become like uppercase vs lowercase or handwriting vs print, different looking but functionally equivalent forms I wouldn't recommend using the box 7 segment form because of its accessibility issues, but if you did even in handwriting i wouldn't question it

I mean only 2 and 4 looks different than the usual way we write them...

@@rosiefay7283 An advantage of a 7-segment "X" form is that while zero and four look weird, using a vertical-sided seven will result in every digit having at least two segments that are different from any other, and for forms which are bold or appear bold because of poor visual acuity (e.g. looking at an LED clock without glasses) the digit shapes are far more distinctive than is usually the case on double-box displays.

The music was made by himself

It’s incredible! He also releases his music on popular streaming platforms!

ooh i would like to see that

Do you have a picture or example? That sounds cool

Cool, wanted to see the game too

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It's probably the off-center horizontal line that has part of it going through the vertical one, or the diagonal line connecting those two. Alternatively, you can write 4 as LI ('+) which works better for 7 segment displays. (Adding a diagonal line on the top square would work too, but then you'd need more segments). This number doesn't work with circular squares either because of the horizontal line needing to be compromised. I like the 6-segment X display but the reverse y for a 4 just feels completely off. 7 on the other hand works because the diagonal line goes through the entire number from top right to bottom left. 4 is a weird number to write in displays nevertheless.

how about we just remove the 4 from the number alphabet. seems like an easy solution

@Thomas Sylvester That's just how I write my fours lol.

i don't know if that's just where i live but a lot of people write 4 exactly how it looks like on the original 7 segment design, so to me it didn't seem compromised at all, at least in the original design

With messy handwriting, the open-top 4 is a lot easier to tell apart from a 9. In my book it is a superior version for handwriting.

Why is it so on brand that you are in the comment section of this video LOL - Nerd RU-vid is a small world I suppose

love u NJB

@@flarelol I don't.

Love your channel.

@@Ben-ed4wx yeah, bc you’re cringe

The transition is actually creepy and funny at the same time if you ask me. 😆

@@zaidmaaita3759 well he made all the music himself its genius if imo

yeah it sure was :)

Dr. Fox effect lol

I couldn’t nail it down at first but it might be the Dutch accent. He has such a nice sounding voice

Good to know...

Most people sound bad with a Dutch accent when they speak English. But this guy nails it.

@@PosyMusic incoming smut reading livestream

If it ain't broken don't fix it

Exactly. While I loved all the creativity here, they ALL suffered in either efficiency, aesthetics, or readability. The "classic crystal" shape is the best because it's the most readable, most consistent, AND most symmetrical. It's the best balance of aesthetics and readability.

@@JamesR624 you’re just used to it

Pardon my ignorance, but what would be the benefit to having less segments?

​@@coleco Less power consumption (not in any meaningful amount), less processing power (also not by any meaningful amount) We humans just like smol

I'm 7.5 and like number

@@jjscott5535 GET OFF RU-vid AND GET ON WHEN YOU'RE 10

Hehe its the voice and all the effort that he put in that really makes it worth the watch! :)

I don't understand. How's he tricking?

you don't have to trick me to watch that. I love design!

Hang on - why 2? Wasn't one punishment enough? (I've got one - and that's plenty)

@@mgabrysSF I was young & naive and actually enjoyed graphic design while I was dumb enough to think that you could make a living doing it back then. So I figured if one degree would set you up for success, 2 would just up your odds. Little did I know, the vast majority of my graphic design knowledge would inevitably be used for making memes... 🤷

Why would a seven segment not have spare data in a byte? What happens to the last bit?

@@valentinfinozzi9358 y'know how 7-segment displays will often have a period/dot/colon? that's what the 8th bit is is used for

I recently bought a alarm clock off Amazon and it has a 7 panel font to the numbers. It is my favorite font I've seen and didn't realize it at order. The middle panel is a capsule shape, top and bottom panels are curved shapes with 45° corner cuts (like a slice of a donut), and the 4 vertical panels have half round inner corners to accommodate the capsule shaped center but flat on the edge. It is so nice looking compared to what I've had on everything else. I never voiced these thoughts but here this video is in my recommended 🤣 thanks this video was awesome thanks!

@@mcsquared5005 You should link the product.

I’m gonna need that in English please

Wow

Hey, the more you learn!

And exactly why a 3x5 matrix with a decimal point is the best alternate design, being two bytes to display anything you wish.

Common shift registers are compatible with 7 segment displays with a dot. You would need a dot matrix display or multiplexers for the more complex fonts.

i hope to do foley like this one day

boop beep beep beep

And the half-cut fart at the end

I love the sound 7 segment displays don't usually make, so much that I made one make sound: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-c9DK-8ekHgk.html

It feels like i'm hearing the Stanley Parable narrator talk about displays

He is a one man army - director, producer, cinematographer, conposer and musician

@@ali99_82 Yeah, it's unreal. Since my comment, I've actually put in a lot of work to get closer to this level in some upcoming things I'm doing. He raised the bar for me. Still a long way to go, but I've been inspired.

@@NautilusGuitars awesome, would be seeing your journey - I too wish to start producing such cinematic masterpieces but i put that to halt atm - maybe a project for the future Good luck

And his voice is kinda relaxing too

How incredible is my 6 segment display is 1 is a / 4 is a y 6 has a baseline at the top 7 is just a top o with one missing piece and 0 is a o

This video is a perfect example on how designers needlesly overcomplicate things because they lack the engineering understanding of how those things work.

​@@DanSlotea i feel the point is being missed here. It's exploring a possibility space of what kinds of displays can be made with a variety of segments and if there's a way to make it look better and more readable with a modern lense. This isn't "overcomplication" it's trying a bunch of things out and seeing what comes out with an eye to what has been tried.

@@DanSlotea and not just how unnecessary it is but how it creates annoyance and confusion. It’s a kinda a fun vid but the entire time I’m just thinking ‘it was fine. It was like that for a reason. It still looks fine. Leave it alone’ - “I couldn’t come up with anything better than the double square” yeh, we know ..

Thank you, finally someone said it

You seem like you know what you're talking about

Hello Barji

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b- barji?

Bargy

what are you doing here???

I can't agree more - and the channel is thankfully growing like crazy (20k subs in 24h)

Yay, im not the only person that loves segmented display so much

A digital watch shop sounds amazing I wish we had one like yours in California!

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What type of display will the watch receive? Also, how does a small team design a watch like that🤔

@@CloroxBleach0 shall

Just got it too and honestly I'm not complaining. This is right up my alley of interest. Also, this way of doing videos kinda reminds me of a mix between Lemmino and Ahoy

right cause is not just making something look nice, it's also about working with limitations

@@sakesaurus1706 well that and its literal digits you working with.

Either that, or finger painting ....

@@CrafterGab_ Cringe

woah, I didn't expect you here

this vid showed up on my feed today, i hit follow a couple minutes in without even looking at his page. one of the best finds ive made in a while, binge starts now.

wahoo groovy how did you get verified i didn't see you in 5 years

GROOVY!

agreed.

-i cannot escape from the scratchers-

I think he is older than 14 years old...

@@kenthchen Scratch does not have an age limit, Scratchers can be of any age.

@@cst1229 Agreed.

was it something like this: |,, | |"|"| | |'-,| |"| |,, (reads: LIMINAL)

@@rextheroyalist6389 Oo that's nice

“oder”

@@rextheroyalist6389 I'm not sure. In your example it looks like the columns are alternating between a soling column | and some smaller segments. The display I was describing was more like a matrix display, but some matrix squares were further segmented in "quarter circle + remainder" or "intersection of two quarter circles + remainder", in order to provide round edges for "m", "n", "0", etc. And every column was segmented the same, and then a variable number of columns was combined for every character

@@Strikingeight you beat me *oder* is or I’m assuming user is German and if so I find it very comical to actually see this come out in text 😭

I must be the only one that did not enjoy this video.

@@jovetj i just think it's neat how all of those displays go about their functions slightly differently. Plus the video was well structured and educational. Even better, since I was working with a segmented display at the time lol

@@Goras147 and also _2:17_ thicker

That's true. I came here to comment about your profile picture though lol, it's amazing

@@leoshork lol thanks

The next most common segmented display after the 7-segment double square I'd say is the 16-segment double square.

I wonder whether the shear was invented as a means of using the decimal point of an upside-down display digit module as the top half of a colon (a very common trick in LED clocks).

@@flatfingertuning727 No idea, but you can bet an upside down display module was used plenty of times to conveniently display degrees Celsius after the numerical value by using the dot and a "C"...

Yep. But it's rare to find a non-oblique display in some places.

Electrical engineering adjacent dude here, the complexities of designing, wiring, and controlling multiple 18 segment characters scares me. The 6 and 5 segment displays were pretty neat; one could have so many more characters and lines on a display, with fewer segments.

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I agree (also i found you)

thanks beanie woman

i scroll down and end up finding Xploshi of all channels in the comment section

RU-vid: were wishing people to blow up is considered a good and nice thing to say.

it would look real cool on a vfd

@@a.kjfhkziujsfdgbskjxfyhgfl2332 a volunteer fire department?

@@tech6hutch Vacuum Fluorescent Display An example can be seen at 14 seconds into the video.

freeform looks very nice! My favorite one however is quite different, the Seamless at 4:38, it looks very modern, and it's most compromised number, the number 2 still looks fairly good and is decently recognizable.

if somehow screen can be made as an ellipse it'd be even better.

Well I’d say that this video has reached a decent amount of views now

@@alessandrodona4296 well deserved!

This vids blowing up in the algorithm so let's see

Did you like it? Did you share with friends, frenemies, reddit, twitter etc? If no then stop bitching and do your part, if you think it deserves more views. Gah i hate these types of comments so much

@@silverblank1139 you're the idiot here. It's these and any comments that drive up viewer interaction numbers that promote a video in the RU-vid algorithm. Sharing it is great but nothing will blow up a video quicker than traits that make it favorable for the algorithm to promote. (comments being one)

I think it depends on your idea of the "correct" way to write numbers mostly. My 4's and 9's especially look almost the same as they do in a traditional 7 segment display or "double box" design.

@@danteteeter6567 EDIT: Please read the rest of the discussion before replying. I'm getting notifications spammed with people correcting me on a statement I made that was, in fact, incorrect. It's discussed further down. I guess you're technically right, but there is a definitive, consistent way to write 4 that's taught to nearly every child in school, and it's pretty similar to the printed "4" in Arial font. By compromised, I really mean it's hard to read. I think you're be hard-pressed to explain how an X missing one of the legs looks like a 4 in a readable fashion to the majority of humans, or at least a handful of specifically picked humans.

@@elliejohnson2786 There isn't a consistent, definitive way to teach anything. Look up how the french write the cursive "e". It's actually quite cute.

@@elliejohnson2786 In my country people usually write 4's as in the segmented display, it's actually kinda rare to see someone writing a 4 like this: 4

I write my fours as a compromise between the Arial 4 and a seven segment one: the diagonal line is there, but the right vertical line doesn't go all the way up to meet it in the top corner.

​@@ihml842oy don't let me watch your video

His name is Michel de Boer.

Algorithm has chosen him now

Yeah he about to pop off lmao

It's time ! He jumped like 5 thousand subscribers since yesterday. Wowzers.

his time has finally come

sweet, i hope he grows to a huge size

yeah clicked on this video not sure what to expect, then found my self wondering why i had never question any of this myself

4:25 please nind/mind the gap ?

​@@jannezekielnitura5827 "mind"

Segmented displays are largely obsolete. Normal computer displays with millions of colors and pixels, are far more versatile. However, then we have to draw segmented displays on normal computer graphic screens, for that retro pinball game look. Or for a 3-D model in your video game, of a digital clock. So then they are not quite obsolete after all.

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@@noddlecak3279 🤡

you beat me to it

THE DESMOS NOISE PERSON

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That’s what I thought lol

Geez. Not everyone can go and film what they want to talk about.

@@DanJuega real

You are gate keeping content. Not everyone can just make whatever they want to talk about. Do you prefer people not talk about anything at all unless they make the original footage?

What if my documentary is about something that has already happened (either something historical or a recent event or incident)? Get in my time machine? What if my documentary entails a large variety of small products, devices, vehicles, etc.? Buy them all off Ebay and film every second of stock footage myself if I could have just bought the footage for like 5-10 bucks? What if my documentary is about something in another country? Should I ignore my Covid restrictons, scarce free time or lack of money and travel there? What if it is about multiple countries? What if it is about a uninhabitable environment, dangerous region, warzone, environmentally restricted area, corporate turf or government facility? What if I simply don't have the money or space to buy any of the devices this guy has? What if my video is about physics, biology, chemistry or anything else that is either dangerous, expensive or impossible to observe without an electron microscope? What if its about astronomy, can I rent the hubble telescope? What if its about a high-profile individual? Arrange a meeting? "Hey Xi Jinping, big fan, my name is MiFiWi and I just wanted to ask wether you plan on starting a trade war with the US or not" Or should I just pay 20 bucks to not have to worry about anything like that and focus on my script, if its understandable, well-written, informative, factually correct and provides a good overview and conclusion about its topic. Quick Edit: Don't get me wrong, I like this video and the fact that it doesn't have stock footage. But a lack of original footage shouldn't discredit the point or quality of a video, if everythign else is correct and if it wouldn't have been trivial to get original footage in the first place (for example, programming or minor tech videos and especially tutorials should still have original footage, because its required to follow the narration in that case)

@@mifiwi3438 EXACTLY

The Waldorf School system uses this font as a rough blueprint for their logos

The 8 segment alternative X is my personal favorite. It has such a sharp aesthetic. I would tweak the font to use different segments for some letters but it looks really cool.