Every time I hear someone say "What is Israel to do when they're attacked?", I respond, what are the Palestinians to do after decades of oppression, being killed or imprisoned just for caring a Palestinian flag, and so on? Yeah, they really believe Israeli gov't can't do anything wrong.
…and yet being marketed as the saving democracy of the ME. The inversion Emma speaks of 35:00 is the basis of the BIG LIE strategy they are masters of !!
@exotikz7905 That's because the US and Israel share a military base their and is a way to control the Middle East. That's part of why the US supports Israel
I’ve had so many people tell me that’s antisemitic to say, and then they go on about how actually the Palestinian Mufti gave the Austrian artist all of his ideas. So delusional.
I know non Jewish people who went on holiday to Israel and were strictly forbidden from some parts because Palestinians lived there. They were just told that they were terrorist dens and shit like that. And it was wayyyy pre-Oct 7. Truly some fascist dystopia type shit. They didn’t see any issue with it but alarm bells were immediately going off in my head. That’s not a symptom of any normal society.
This is one of your best programs ever. I speak as a Jew who grew up on the B.S. but has come over the years to see the horror of Zionism and the hypocrisy of the state.
My first clue to The MYTH was about 20 years ago hearing how terrible the Ethiopian Jews were treated. Then seeing what goes on in Hebron made me want to puke.
same goes for requiring a world-ending nuclear deterrent. Reality can be rough. Places that don't have iron domes and nukes are in part relying on the military aggressions of NATO countries like the US. So I don't necessarily think anyone is off the hook.
@@ajasen Those things aren't exactly on e-bay. Even thinking about developing nuclear weapons (Or having Israel claim they're thinking about it, as in Iraq's case) can get a country invaded by the US.
Sorry to burst the bubble, but the planet knew stuff and learned new stuff, like the international news ... way before smart phones ........... used to be these flappy things made out of paper called NEWS PAPERS !!! So no people have always known what Israel was doing to Palestinians, so even less excuses.
In many cases, we don't have to imagine, the crimes were well documented. Our ability to ignore the evidence we don't like has never been more well honed. All the evidence in the world won't help if nobody will look at or DO anything about it. We limit our action to whinging and turning away.
We’re all guilty of knowing only so much and believing a lot of what we’ve been told by the media and in movies that Israel was always the good guy fighting an enemy that wanted to destroy it simply because it is a Jewish state and ignoring what it had been doing to the Palestinians who we all thought had nothing on their minds other than killing as many Jews as possible. We all thought Israels treatment of them was therefore largely justified. I fully supported Israel after 7/10, but like a lot of people soon did a 180 once I started to learn more about the true history of the conflict.
I use tell western friends about what isrealis were doing in Palestine and they never believed me 40 years ago because they were brain washed by the mainstream media and now when they see me they apologise for not believing me back then.
12:56 Prose from which the title is derived! While this interview got stale at the early-middle, but it was the funniest start. In addition to great and incisive throughout. Whoa.. That Afrikaner/Boer blondie has got quite a hard-on for Two States Solution.
The question isn't ''What should Israel have done after Oct 7?'' The question is: What should the Palestinians have done? They tried everything under the sun since 1948. Nothing worked.
The question is what should Israel have done before oct 7. You’re right. The Palestinian tried diplomacy, international courts, peace marches and more. Israel blocked everything. Doubt this comment will survive.
I'm a Seff Effrican, born in June of '69. Aged 55. White. I was in Israel in 1997. That South African clip was a hoot! Nostalgic throwback, ahhhh! Ok, my accent isn't as funny and 'flet' like those in that clip, though. I skipped the country in 1987 after graduating high-school before I turned 18 to avoid 2 years of military conscription back then. Since I am also Portuguese, I moved to Portugal at 17 before I was forced to uphold apartheid for my fellow whities, beating down those rioting upstarts in black townships ( the unrest as it was called). Elon Musk did something similar 2 years later. The comparison ends there. I returned in 1995 after the 1st free elections, that one-man, one-vote thingy. I did leave again in '99 'cos, jirre, crime & personal security. Who knew living in a police state meant personal security just for me while 4/5ths lived in terror, but in a democracy it meant no police state and terror for all equally, too! (The huge gulf between the moderately well off enough and the impoverished in SA is, well, HUGE! Moved to the UK, now in Vienna Austria. In 1997 I was on a work-jolly in Haifa for a few weeks with 5 South African colleagues. 6 of us, 5 white, 1 'Coloured' (it is still an acceptable description, even self-designated, for mixed race/brown peoples in SA, distinct from black SAfricans. Coloureds are descended from Malay/Indonesian slaves who have intermarried with white, black and Indian in SAfrica. Not unlike African Americans in the USA). My 4 white colleagues were enamoured with the 'security'. One could walk safely about Haifa and Tel Aviv at 2am. Unless you were not white like my 'coloured' colleague, Cyrill. Often stopped by military patrols and had his id checked. I was right next to him, and I was ignored. Even though Haifa was considered progressive, the stench of apartheid was there. I know apartheid. I lived it, on the oppressor's side. I saw it in Israel in 1997. What I see in Israelis now, even liberals, I saw it amongst the whites in SAfrica of the '80s. Even amongst white liberals such as myself. I didn't realise just how racist i was until i lived in Portugal, away from the propaganda. Yes, one can be liberal and progressive and still have a lot of unconscious racism. Liberal Israelis are in denial if they think Zionism in its current form is still ok.
Excellent points. Thankyou for sharing your experience. Israel and Biden administration and general Americans and Israelis MUST read this to open their eyes!
Thanks for your story. I live in a part of Australia with the highest white south African population outside of SA. I've yet to meet someone who admits they voted in favour of apartheid. They lose the accent incredibly quickly but it comes back when they meet a fellow Suff African.
Dude, his podcast is one of the few places I go to keep my sanity. The humor is so needed. He has great guests and his "most moral co-host" Daniel Maté is Gabor Mate's son. I'm Palestinian, which according to Congress makes me an automatic anti-semite (sarcasm), so my recommendation comes highly! Go join his sub!
Regarding the random gay Arab Palestinian in the gas station, an Italian woman I knew in the 1990s who was passionately pro-Israel told me that she had exactly that encounter in a convenience store in Israel. My bullshit detector didn't go off at the time, I just bought it (as she did too). It's clearly a script that works for them very well.
@@sebastianlavallee706actually, you can only have a Jewish Jewish Orthodox wedding if you're Jewish. You can be Jewish, Christian, Druse, Muslim. They only do religious marriages in Israel. One God religions. No atheist, civil, gay, Hindu, no mixed race. You have to leave the country, and once you are married elsewhere, Israeli government will register it, gay included. It's a very weird system.
@@sh25098 Wow, the Hasbara trolls really do get everywhere. Yeah, I bet that gay Palestinians are disproportionately employed in gas stations on the Birthright/tourist bus route for no reason at all and that they are all spontaneously super keen to share very private details of their lives with tourists they have never seen before. There is absolutely no way that they would feel compelled to work from a script that validates Zionist talking points, it's obviously just a natural thing to bring up in a conversation with a stranger.
@@leannefranson1198even without the gay marriage thing it's very messed up and telling that you can only do religious marriages in Israel. It's like the original grandfather clause as a way to walk around the law
Yes, go watch his podcast! The last 6 months of these past 8 months have been alot easier to pull through for me, bc of his show. The comedy, shenanigans, and trolling around the news is like medicine. I think I'd have gone insane without it. He has great guests and the best memes, plus the community is so inviting & fun.
12:56 Prose from which the title is derived! While this interview got stale at the early-middle, but it was the funniest start. In addition to great and incisive throughout. Whoa.. That Afrikaner/Boer blondie has got quite a hard-on for Two States Solution.
@@qjtvaddictThat is horrible, we should all be grateful to S A for standing up at the ICJ and ICC when no one did. I've not been following current events since my feed is consciously almost only Palestine. So I haven't heard of this, I'll look it up; but I'd be grateful if you could point me to what to search for. And how we can help South Africa. Also; BDS is working, and I'm so happy about that ❤
The only touchstone I have as a rural Australian (there are more Filipino and Nigerian people in my city than ethnicly jewish) is having grown up around farms and animals and loving animals and then experiencing the culture shock of vegan and animal rights messaging. The immediate reaction to cognitive dissonance is rejection and indignation, but it really is a heavily propagandized topic and it takes work to strip back the layers of falsehoods to accept the reality of the harm you've been indoctrinated into complicity with
@@Samuel-hd3cp it's strange, where I'm from. Further north there are ingenious peoples who live in small remote communities who struggle to get access to resources like medicine when they need it and there are a lot more proper dyed in the wool racists as well. Those places probably have the most parallels to what's spoken about in this vid, especially some of the hateful us vs them bigotry I hear. Where I live near the NSW/Vic border relations are a lot more stable and in the arts community where I have the most experience indigenous elders and groups have a lot of respect and input on the local level. Whe do have areas where 40~ years ago they dumped a heap of government housing in big areas instead of just making them part of the community so we have very poor suburbs that let indigenous kids fall through the cracks. Racism is more of the casual type, not dissimilar to what the same flybitten bogans say about Lebanese and Indian people, but from a rights perspective people get a fair go mostly. For a bit of perspective too, the wounds are more fresh in Aus. I know living people from the stolen generation and the cootamundra girls home. There are some positive steps and some very pessimistic aspects. Getting anything to happen at a state and federal level is impossible, every idiot premier has their own idea of what is fair and what the remote communities "need" with rarely any insight and of course treat them like a monolith when they are distinct communities even from different language groups and nations. The Voice vote was such a let down and I have to thank Americans for all the dumb imported culture war issues that Sky has been churning out to weaponise fear, but I suppose Murdoch was born here so we'll call it even. One of the cooler things I've seen is the 'pay the rent' campaign that actually put money directly back into communities with local oversight and indigenous leadership. On paper right wingers should be all for it because it's not state controlled, it's completely voluntary charity, and it's very lib charity coded despite having significantly more tangible results than anything most non-profits do, but of course they still hated it because of something something colourblind yada yada colloniser is a slur. The usual totally not racist stuff
12:56 Prose from which the title is derived! While this interview got stale at the early-middle, but it was the funniest start. In addition to great and incisive throughout. Whoa.. That Afrikaner/Boer blondie has got quite a hard-on for Two States Solution.
Matt Lieb, thank you for adding your voice bro. You give us all hope for a better future for all of us no matter the ethnicity or religion. This planet is for all, this is why those international laws are so important.
It’s funny cuz American Jews and American Black people have A LOT in common. As a black man in America the “if slavery comes back to America I’m fucked” mentality is very ingrained in my head from childhood. Going “back to Africa “ was a thing for a lot of black folks, so I definitely see what the “Israel is the last place for US” mentality comes from. This is similar to me as me trying to talk to black folks about how we can’t be racist to white people just cuz they racist to us. I feel like that’s what anti Zionist Jews feel like trying to talk about how psychotic Israel is
I had a classmate in early childhood try to explain the israel safety idea to me. It made no sense because they were kids in school who had never seen war, and I had seen war. Why did they need protection when I was the one who had just spent years in a war?
Off course they're happy, I'm actually shocked they're not number 1 in happiness, wouldn't any nation be happy if people in other countries worked hard and payed half of their salaries in tax to make them happy? Wouldn't anybody be happy if they can do whatever they wish and desire without anyone standing in their way? what a silly question 😅😅
I don't look like a Jew and I don't speak Hebrew, But I believe 2000 years ago, my ancestor was a Jew. Can I move to Israel and enjoy some free healthcare that has been fully paid for by the Americans? I mean, Americans have the right to enjoy what they pay for.
You don’t need to be a Jew to fill the illegal settlements: you can just convert and that’s it. I know Dutch people who did that. It’s like getting your driving license and there you go
Pod Yourself a Gun was where I was introduced to him. I loved him and the cohost there, and to see him doing this know fills me with a great joy, real proud of this guy lol. He (and Francisca) are amazing, hope to see more from him in the coming years.
I really enjoyed this interaction; I am sure Matt Lieb is gonna do really really well on his new project. I look forward to his comedy! This is what comedy was meant for, even the kings had fools to get a clearer perspective.
I actually agree with him! I’m a recovering heroine addict and I was in fact very happy. Until it became too much. Clean for 25 years thanks God. ברוך השם. الحمد لله
Mr. Lieb is most enlightening , honest, and informative critical thinker I have heard in a long time time. Hope more young people are as intelligent like him. He should lecture in schools.
A lot of not Jewish people went to Israel and worked on Kibbutz and/or Moshav, too, btw. Plus Chomsky and Democracy Now and Abby Martin. So lefties know and have known, I think.
This is the insane part. I have heard this since years ago that Chomsky etc had lived in kibbutz. And they didn’t realize what their people are doing was horrible
It's always a very strange thing when I get a good mythical morning crossover like this. Love both channels, but in my head they could not really be further apart in terms of the reason I'm watching it.
Props to Matt for being so open about his own process of changing his mind. As with most political issues, changing your mind involves changing how you understand yourself 👏
That’s why antizionist Jews love his show. Katie Halper and Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro are also really good sources. Simone Zimmerman and her documentary “Israelism”.
