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Selling puts for income and obtaining a position using ABR 

Mark Meldrum
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@Jonathan817
@Jonathan817 4 года назад
The most valuable 10 minutes video I've seen during the entire weekend. Thanks for such a interesting content, Mark.
@william_8844
@william_8844 4 года назад
I didnt watch much of these videos thinking it is already covered material in cfa program but boy was I wrong. This is invaluable knowledge from real world
@thomasmurphy82
@thomasmurphy82 4 года назад
Just stumbled upon your videos, Mark. So invaluable. I've been watching your CFA 1 equity valuation series all last week/this weekend. You're an excellent teacher. Keep up the great work and videos.
@shaahinflamenco
@shaahinflamenco 4 года назад
great info. i would also be interested in seeing how you actually execute orders on an exchange platform to get the full hands-on experience.
@griffinlaymon7207
@griffinlaymon7207 4 года назад
This would be awesome
@bRANKLATA1
@bRANKLATA1 4 года назад
Keep doing this professor. Impeccable !
@vinayraj6720
@vinayraj6720 4 года назад
thank you for all the videos! best 10 mins i've spent!
@ellenw756
@ellenw756 4 года назад
Awesome Dr. Meldrum. Thank you!!!
@aishasims0288
@aishasims0288 4 года назад
Excellent way to introduce this to a novice Mr Meldrum much appreciated
@karan4012
@karan4012 4 года назад
Amazing video! Please keep doing these, practical learning beats reading a book haha 👏🏽
@travornbrown3245
@travornbrown3245 7 месяцев назад
Never thought of this! Amazing!
@alejandromontenegropastor9565
@alejandromontenegropastor9565 3 года назад
nice profit you made sir.. Awesome vid! Congrats
@shengzhongzheng5154
@shengzhongzheng5154 3 года назад
This is very informative. Thanks for the video!
@tidom91
@tidom91 4 года назад
I sniped a ton of ABR when the stock dipped to 3.50$. Been holding since.
@devinshanahan8206
@devinshanahan8206 4 года назад
Great content!!
@kirillalemaskin5421
@kirillalemaskin5421 2 года назад
Great examples Mark, and I am glad I found this video. This is exactly what I've learnt from Phil Town as well. But here's the catch (at least for us Canadians). First, selling puts works only within margin accounts. Selling puts isn't allowed in registered accounts (TFSA, RRSP, etc.), despite how silly it sounds from the prospective of people who know this trick to buy at below market cost. Second, in order to place naked puts, brokers require significant amount of cash to be deposited in the account (min of $25,000 in Questrade margin account if I am not mistaken), so if you have less than that, your only option is limit orders or options strategies (vertical puts, Iron condors, etc.), which give you cash flow, but don't let you keep the shares. Third, you need to take into account commissions, and calculate your ROI on the premium you make over the length of the contract. Limit orders don't make any money, but if your ROI is only a few percent, free cash in your account may be more valuable than money tied up in a contract. And finally, don't forget about the taxes. Our lovely government will squeeze up to 40% from the premiums you make within the margin account. And, unfortunately dealing with short trades in US dollars is a nightmare when it comes to account for taxes (not that I don't do it anyway). I hope to learn more from your videos about other tricks. Perhaps, there are some additional tricks to overcome limitations of the silly Canadian system :)
@MarkMeldrum
@MarkMeldrum 2 года назад
Margin account - yes. Minimum account balance - broker specific. The 25k min is probably to avoid pattern day trader rules that turn your account into a cash account if you day trade more than 3x in a week. Taxes - all capital gains as of time of sale, not as of contract closing - unless assigned, then it just lowers ACB. Top cap gains tax rate is 26.5% if you are in the 53% tax bracket.
@kirillalemaskin5421
@kirillalemaskin5421 2 года назад
@@MarkMeldrum Thank you for your reply. If I understand you correctly, if shares are assigned, the premium received from selling a put does not increase capital gains, but rather reduces the cost basis for future capital gains calculations. I think, I've learnt something today :) Still, taxes eat a huge chunk of your capital in a margin account... Oh, another thing is assignment fees that can be high too. Are there any tricks for trading options in registered accounts? The only one I am aware of is selling covered calls when you are ready to sell your shares. Thank you again.
@jaypeng6860
@jaypeng6860 4 года назад
Does selling an additional call at/above Tangible book value make sense? ABR would be overvalued at that price and you receive an additional premium.
@xiangpengxiang6636
@xiangpengxiang6636 4 года назад
thanks Mark!
@z.a.7147
@z.a.7147 4 года назад
Thank you
@etenat8772
@etenat8772 4 года назад
great advice
@franckriviere1514
@franckriviere1514 4 года назад
Another great REIT video with great insights... thanks again Mark for taking the time to share your valuable experience and further build the knowledge of your community. Talking about the tangible book value per share, Reuters currently reports $9,79. Should this not act as an attractor to the share price? I also noticed it was the average price target of both analysts you mentioned. One last question: why are there not more strike prices to chose from for ABR? AGNC has many more choices in comparison.
@MarkMeldrum
@MarkMeldrum 4 года назад
I do wish ABR had more strikes. ABR does turn illiquid, so selling options on ABR has a limited life. Not sure where Reuters is getting its data. The company does not report until May 8.
@franckriviere7402
@franckriviere7402 4 года назад
@@MarkMeldrum Hi Mark, I was waiting like many for the release today of the new GAAP book value which decreased from $9,73 at Dec 31, 2019 to $8,68 at Mar 31, 2020. I was surprised to see a 10% surge despite a decrease in the book value and the decision not to halve the dividend but to keep it at $0,30 despite a net loss per share of $0,54. Hope you will share your thoughts with your community on the first quarter results in a new video.
@franckriviere7402
@franckriviere7402 4 года назад
@@MarkMeldrum Hi Mark, ABR announced for Q1: "At March 31, 2020, GAAP book value per share was $8.68, as compared to $9.73 at December 31, 2019". I wanted to calculate the Net tangible value per share (NBVPS) as it should work as an attractor for the share price as you mentioned in the video. How do we go about this? Do we just remove the tangible / goodwill from the book value? Looking at the Balance Sheet on EDGAR website, I saw that goodwill and other intangible assets amount to $109,371,000 and that there were 109,706,214 outstanding shares, meaning the goodwill per share outstanding is approx. $1 (109,371,000/109,706,214). Would removing $1 from the book value of $8.68 then give us the NBVPS @ $7,68? Is there a quicker way, meaning is the NBVPS stated in the quarterly / annual filings? in that case where do we find this information? Look forward to your feedback.
@xuqhmichael
@xuqhmichael 4 года назад
hi Mark, so far I really enjoy the options application videos, just curious is there any interest/popularity among futures/forwards trading you can put a couple videos on for deepening understanding ?
@ngvoonchuan5302
@ngvoonchuan5302 4 года назад
I was wondering why ABR? It has a very bad fund from operation since 2016 and the CF is bad as well. From what I learned from level 2 is that we do not want to see a deteriorating on fund from operation when analyzing REIT right? Can you explain this a lil bit please? Thanks!
@MarkMeldrum
@MarkMeldrum 4 года назад
I am not seeing what you are seeing. From 2016 to 2020 the stock went from $8 to $15 and the dividend doubled.
@frapeyou
@frapeyou 4 года назад
could you do a deep dive on reits and how you think the virus will change some of them (office and malls) also are certain reits more advantages (apartments vs mortgage)
@MarkMeldrum
@MarkMeldrum 4 года назад
Coming today for office REITs.
@frapeyou
@frapeyou 4 года назад
@@MarkMeldrum omg your the best, hands down the most underrated person for finance
@toughmonkey5414
@toughmonkey5414 4 года назад
Is better shorter videos I love it thank you
@aadilbassa
@aadilbassa 4 года назад
Hi Love the content May I ask where do you find your stock ratings/outlooks? Which is the best place to do so?
@MarkMeldrum
@MarkMeldrum 4 года назад
I get them as part of my subscription package with Interactive Brokers. Your broker should have something along the same lines.
@aadilbassa
@aadilbassa 4 года назад
Thank you so much...I must say I am really enjoying your real life application videos... I’m current studying CFA and it’s great to be able to apply the theory... makes it much more fun and helps with grasping concepts .. thank you
@geoffreycleminson3957
@geoffreycleminson3957 4 года назад
You should do an IB tutorial
@NishantGandhi7
@NishantGandhi7 4 года назад
Hi Mark, considering the stock price is pretty low and each option contract is like 100 shares. Do you use similar strategy for stocks with higher prices, let's say 100-200$?? Thanks
@MarkMeldrum
@MarkMeldrum 4 года назад
If the story is the same, would not matter if it $2,000.
@xuqhmichael
@xuqhmichael 4 года назад
hi Mark, i can only receive the option premium from the calls and puts i sell after they are bought by someone correct? if there is no buyer, then i won't have the premium but transaction cost?
@MarkMeldrum
@MarkMeldrum 4 года назад
You cannot buy or sell anything unless there is someone on the other side. So you cannot sell, then wait for someone to buy - you sell to a buyer.
@xuqhmichael
@xuqhmichael 4 года назад
@@MarkMeldrum then i guess the question would be how liquid are the positions. can i sell 50 put contracts with Approx $100 fee occurred from my broker and nobody buying those puts? that can happen right?
@rebecca6756
@rebecca6756 3 года назад
Hi Mark, I am wondering what platform you use for option trading? I am in Canada also! thanks!
@MarkMeldrum
@MarkMeldrum 3 года назад
Interactive brokers.
@Xyz-sk7b32
@Xyz-sk7b32 4 года назад
Because US REITs need to payout 90% of their income, is it even possible for a dividend cut given that REIT regulation?
@hop9058
@hop9058 4 года назад
I'd also like to hear this explained further.
@MarkMeldrum
@MarkMeldrum 4 года назад
Yes. It is 90% of their net income over the course of the year - so any quarter can have a cut as long as the year meets that qualification. That can always be met with a special dividend. Since it is 90% of accounting income, not FFO, it is usually not difficult for a REIT to have a 70% DPR of FFO while still meeting the 90% of EPS qualification.
@Xyz-sk7b32
@Xyz-sk7b32 4 года назад
Mark Meldrum What happens if the REIT has positive FFO, but negative net income due to heightened delinquency?
@Bogdanbmm
@Bogdanbmm 3 года назад
what is the maximum potential loss with selling puts ? how could we approach it ? cheers
@Mengadmire
@Mengadmire 3 года назад
max lost=put strick prices and trancastion cos t ,also subtract the mony you gain from you sell these contract(called premium)
@observerstation7458
@observerstation7458 4 года назад
To do all this, where do I need to open the brokerage account to start with?
@MarkMeldrum
@MarkMeldrum 4 года назад
Interactive Brokers.
@kt7187
@kt7187 4 года назад
Hi Mark, what is the reason the Canadian government will not allow you to sell puts in your RRSP or TFSA?
@MarkMeldrum
@MarkMeldrum 4 года назад
I am not an expert on those restrictions/regulations.
@kt7187
@kt7187 4 года назад
Mark Meldrum they will allow you to buy a put, sell covered calls and buy call options but won’t allow you to sell puts.
@xuqhmichael
@xuqhmichael 4 года назад
@@kt7187 what broker are you with? i need ask for approval for selling puts with my broker
@franckriviere7402
@franckriviere7402 4 года назад
Hi Mark, you mentioned that the REIT is internally managed by the same team that went through the subprime crisis which I too feel is very reassuring. I also noticed that the ABR stock price crashed to $0,58 at the end of Feb 2009. What led to such a collapse and what would it take today to see a similar crash? Many thanks for sharing your experience. Much appreciated.
@MarkMeldrum
@MarkMeldrum 4 года назад
What caused that is an absolute freeze in credit markets. Further, ABR did not have the current servicing portfolio it has now, so it was lacking that source of income. The Fed has taken much more aggressive actions sooner this time in more credit and debt markets, so that event is highly unlikely to occur again for ABR.
@saharshbagaria
@saharshbagaria 4 года назад
What if the price goes to 4$ due to some unfortunate event. How much-expected loss be?
@MarkMeldrum
@MarkMeldrum 4 года назад
I don't see it as a loss because I want to own it anyways. I am not a short-term trader. If it gets put to me - I am ok with that.
@saharshbagaria
@saharshbagaria 4 года назад
@@MarkMeldrum But won't that defeat the purpose of getting a better position(price) for your stock? Because in that case you would be paying a lot higher price than current value
@sachinkansara3512
@sachinkansara3512 4 года назад
@@saharshbagaria , wouldn't it be same as the price dropping to $4 after your limit buy gets executed at higher price? A long term buyer would be okay with that, as long as the company fundamentals are not compromised in a major/permanent way.
@saharshbagaria
@saharshbagaria 4 года назад
@@sachinkansara3512 well it took me time to register. But if there is a long term buyer and he wanna own stock regardless of price it is good strategy.
@rossringrose1291
@rossringrose1291 4 года назад
You will also get more over all views this way too
@ckn3574
@ckn3574 4 года назад
You're doing the lords work!
@daimu7971
@daimu7971 5 месяцев назад
Same thing over and over just get to the point
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