SEN's cricket experts (plus a few fun guests) react to the Jonny Bairstow wicket and the Aussies taking a 2-0 lead over England! Hear from the likes of Tim Paine, Mark Taylor, Merv Hughes, Ian Smith and more!
Boycott wanting an apology is a bit rich, if anything Geoffrey should apologise for BORING THE TEARS out of a generation of fans and patrons, even Botham ran him out on purpose at one point because he couldn't stand the tedium.
What about when Marnus was given out caught off a half volley? Last series in England. Everybody saw that it was a rank half volley but nobody batted an eyelid.
No the Aussie supporters all abused the England players physically and verbally and all accused England of being a team of cheaters..... oh wait that didn't happen
@@jehanariyaratnam2874Physically?? You absolute LIAR 💀 And there is a saying in life what goes around comes around little Johnny, GROW UP our supporters give it to them and they give it to us. Never has an ENGLISH PLAYER BEEN PHYSICALLY ABUSED YOU LIAR.
Spirit of the Game exhibit A: Bairstow attempted the exact same thing by trying to catch Marnus Labuschagne stepping out of his crease two days earlier. Spirit of the Game exhibit B: England coach Brendon McCullum as keeper has many identical dismissals. (Mpofu 2005, Muralitharan 2006, Collingwood 2009) Spirit of the Game exhibit C: Broad edging a ball to slip but refusing to walk, an edge the English quick has since admitted to. Spirit of the Game exhibit D: Ollie Robinson telling Usman Khawaja to "F*** off" after dismissing him on 141. Spirit of the Game exhibit E: The MCC long room behaved disgracefully. Not surprisingly three MCC members are now suspended. Spirit of the Game exhibit F: The crowd chanting that Australians are cheaters. Actually the only person convicted of cheating in this series is England's Moeen Ali. Spirit of the Game exhibit G: England bowling 'Bodyline' on day 4, for a record 98% short balls. Also extremely boring to watch - so much for "entertaining bazball". Spirit of the Game exhibit H: England/fans not respecting umpires decision. This was not a bad LBW call, a missed no ball (etc)... this was within the laws. Spirit of the Game exhibit I: England using mints to shine the ball in the 2005 Ashes. Spirit of the Game exhibit J: England keeper Ben Foakes stumping Irishman Andy Balbirnie after holding onto the ball for a far greater amount of time than what Carey did. I won't add Duckett not walking re Starc's catch, because we respect that rules are rules. I also won't add England's controversial win over New Zealand in the World Cup final involving Stokes himself as there's been no shortage of comments about that.
@@debabratapal652 doesn't matter where he took his guard, read the laws of cricket about stumping and you'll understand why the English umpire gave Bairstow out.
@@DaveWhoa I'm not saying Bairstow was not out. I'm saying Australia choose cheap way to get him out...btw Don't Mix up two different thing between Marus and Bairstow
We can't ever get rid of 'the spirit of cricket'. It is the bedrock from which all the great cricket comedy emerges. The beautiful gift that keeps on giving.
Not according to England. Despite chasing a record 371 which was impossible in the first place. They seem to think they would have won had it not been the stumping. They were still chasing 140 odd. Btw where is bairstow coming out and take some accountability for his own mistake
England should be grateful Australians knocked the arrogance out of Bairstow. Way too cavalier, and paid the rightful price. Every kid around the world who plays cricket knows it was out. They're living up to their 'soap-dodging whinger' reputation.
Australian cricketer's be proud. Sharp, cunning and without breaking rules go after your opponent. Only an issue if it didn't go your way. Brittish hypocrisy at its finest.
Really? Do you really want cricket to become about asking every ball if it's ok to leave your crease, cricket will become a joke if that's how it's gonna be at all levels now. He purposely let his foot linger in the crease for a little longer, like anyone who plays the game does, then we walk off and particularly because it was the last ball of the over, when you'll always leave the crease and head to the middle for a chat.
@@cameronelder2854 got caught, pay the price, learn from it, don't do it again. Do you honestly think that England wouldn't take the wicket if it were an Aussie stumped?
If anyone should have warned Bairstow, it was Ben Stokes, who was standing just 22 yards from him and must have seen him walk away prematurely from his crease time and time again. Stokes could have yelled when he saw the ball leave Carey’s glove towards the stumps. And coach McCallum…didn’t he know about Jonny’s bad habit of leaving the crease? Everyone else knew. Did McCallum speak to Bairstow about this during practice? So these 2 guys need to stop blaming the Aussies and look in the mirror.
Sad isn't it? If Carey had only finished by pointing to the pavilion and screaming "F#$k off you f#$king prick!" it would have bought it back into the spirit of the game. Obviously, the Poms would have been happier. Especially in regard to the recent report of discrimination in English cricket and the fact that the only time the Poms chose to abuse a player, he's of Pakistani descent and the player singled out for abuse in the long room.
I thought cheating was breaking the RULES of a game? As to “spirit”?? I googled to look back at cricket in the world .. there is plenty of “spirit cheating” by every country from top to bottom. Apparently the Australians are at the top of the world in cricket at the moment, so naturally the target of every nut job opposed to Australia. I not follow cricket that closely, but googling proves my point. The English are amongst the worst “cheaters”. Australia apparently suspended 3 top players (for 1 year or 2 years??) for ball tampering, while the English (and I believe every other country ?) have never done that. The English have many examples, including their bowler in THIS TEST SERIES !!! Sadly “whinging pomms” seems accurate….the complaining is driven by losing the match.
If you remember Dhoni recalled Ian bell in a similar situation when everyone thought the ball was dead. Listen to Sir Geoffrey talk about body line series and how Australia refused to come to England for the next ashes should they persist with body line, even though it’s within rules. The bottom line is if you push the rules too much, then cricket becomes a zero-sum game and everyone starts doing this kind of tit for tat to gain advantage. These things should be taught in the U10, U12 level to play the game with the right spirit and not look for these kind of advantages. Ultimately education and the way you have been taught plays an important part. Spirit of cricket comes into play when you get a batsman out who has not taken any undue advantage. In mankading or stumping or running out, a batsman gets an advantage when trying those. But in this case the batsman hasn’t taken or got any advantage. While I agree that Bairstow was wrong to stroll out of the crease, we also need to understand he was not trying to steal a single or take undue advantage. This is similar to batsman pulling out after a bowler delivers the ball (yet its called a dead ball) or bowler pulling out just coz he didn’t get his run up right. In these situations both batsman or bowler need to bowl or concentrate on one additional ball. I think if batsman or bowler don’t get any advantage on a action, then getting them out on such action/habit is little unfair. In Bairstows case probably the opponents could have given a warning.
@@runawaypuppet The spirit of the game?!? A certain sportsmanship should be applied when playing test cricket to ensure that the best team win in a fair and just manner which is the honourable and right way of winning because it's the hardest way of winning. Cutting corners and choosing the easy way out cheapens the whole experience for so many cricket fans which is a shame.
@runawaypuppet If in doubt how to define the spirit of the game and you find it unclear then read @cqaqa entire post above yours!!! Common sense and good manners I would suggest!!!
@@cqaqa Advantage is arbitrary, if Bairstow and his counterpart had wandered to opposite creases before the umpire called over they would be awarded 1 run.
One side won. The other tried o find an excuse for losing. Average for an ashes game. The "spirit" of the game was for those "Gentlemen" in the days when the professionals were called "players" and had to use a seperate entrance and dressing room. I doubt if most Englishmen are going to lose much sleep over it.
The latest rumor seems to be that little Johnny will open the bowling for England with underarm wrist spin to try n catch the non striking batsman out of his crease as he is incapable of throwing down the stumps with the gloves on...,🤭
I’m an English man. It was out - Bairstow was if anything being arrogant doing what he was doing walking out of his crease without acknowledging the Australian keeper Carey or checking that over had been called. Our Prime Minister Sunak should keep his mouth shut. It is highly embarrassing this whole carry on. Australia won fair and square. We messed up this Test Match by batting like schoolboys in the first innings. Well played Australia 👍
I can’t believe that people are still talking about this. It was a comical piece of cricket from Bairstow who was guilty of not having an awareness of the state of play - where the ball was and whether his wicket was in danger. He paid the penalty with his wicket. Over and out. “Spirit of the game” don’t enter into it. Can we just all move on now?
People are still talking about it due to Englands hypocrisy and how they take the moral high ground when it suits. In my view Stokes would have done the same being one test down and a chance to equal one all. He says he wouldn’t have but it’s crap. It’s the Ashes, a lot at stake, he’s the English captain entrusted to do the best for his team and country. Bairstow was trying to do the very same thing and if it’s not in the spirit of the game why didn’t Stokes advise him not to do it. The fool couldn’t execute it 😂
I’m Australien and I can tell you everything is wrong with that play. If a batsman or bowler don’t get any advantage on an action, then getting them out on such action/habit is NOT in the spirit of the game. In Bairstows case Australia should have given him a warning before stumping him. The bottom line is if you push the rules too much, then cricket becomes a lesser product and everyone starts doing this kind of tit for tat to gain an advantage and that’s a shame.
@@humfreycollins2422 you get out in under 12’s like that. A test cricketer should know better than to commit a schoolboy error. “Spirit of the game” is only ever invoked by the losing team when something doesn’t go their way. Time to move on. And I doubt that you are Australian when you can’t even spell it.
Given England are only 2 draws/1 loss out of 3 tests away from losing the Ashes at home, of course they'll make this a big talking point for the next few days Or even weeks.
The bairstow dismissal is an usual dismissal,not because of Aussies it's because he himself was acting stupid and you don't see those kind of mistakes at international level
Where was the spirit of the game in that match against anew Zealand when Sidebottom and Grant Elliot clattered into each other and England maintained their appeal? That was a 1000 times more shameful.
There's no such thing as the spirit of cricket, it's a fallacy. Ever since WG Grace, there's been gamesmanship, cheating, and finding any way to win. That's just the nature of the game.
Ok I heard his interview with Michael Atherton while fishing, so why did Mark Taylor ignore me when I had my left arm swollen after my cancer treatment on day 5 at Lord's when I was wearing an England hat!!!!! He talks about it as a game but he is avoiding his answers on sky sports cricket!!!!!
I reckon Bairstow should consider wearing Ronald McDonald shoes. Would give him an extra foot of length to tap down the wicket and would suit his clown like behaviour.
The spirit of cricket is not in disagreement with the laws. The spirit is : congratulations to an opponent for a100, or a great bowling performance. Or A guard is honour for a retiring great. Or giving public praise to an opponent. Consolation to an opponent for failure, having a beer with your adversary, win loose or draw.... That's the "spirit of the game". Its got nothing to do with playing within the rules, and finding your opponent's weaknesses and trying the 1% ers.
No one seems to acknowledge that both umpires are on the move before Bairstow leaves the crease. The issue is they didn't call over. He looks up, sees thee standing umpire is preparing to leave the wicket, scratches his back foot behind the crease in a motion as if to highlight I'm behind the crease before leaving it. That's why I think its a bit poor and not in the spirit of the game. Yes Bairstow was a dozy and if it happened during the over he should rightfully been given out, but the reason why there is so much controversy is it's not black and white because to everyone else but Carey everyone assumed the Over was over.
Stokes..world cup 2019 .last ball Does that comes in spirit of the game...after loosing the 2nd test..you said you don't want to win in this way....but the way you won the 2019 world cup..does it comes in spirit of the game
Ironic talking about the rules of the game and whatever the umpire says is gospel when 24 hours earlier every Aussie was moaning about the starc decision- at the end of the day we are generally biased towards are team when incidents like this happen with a few notable exceptions.
Sandpaper is the spirit of the game. Until you get caught out. Underarm bowling is within the letter of the law too.... Sledging ? Well, the Aussies have an excuse for everything... Sore loosers ? Well body line certainly proved that. It's a shame, that's all, that talent has to win at any cost.
Too many people are completely missing the point losing this match was nothing to do with bairstow getting out this game was lost in the first innings you can debate all you you like we had the most perfect bowling conditions and didn't use them we were 181 for 1 lyons was off the field the aussie bowlers didn't even look like taking a wicket but rank stupidity with the batman cost us that match we should easily have gone past there total
There is no controversy in this. Bairstow is out no doubt. There is no spirit of the game involved this , bairstow did not know this small thing even a gully player in Indian villages will tell . England are cheaters . Last weekend elf cup how they won against newzeland . Did they forgo 4 runs no
It's high time World stopped talking of the nonsense called, 'Spirit of the game'. What matters are the LAWS of Cricket. Best interpreters of these are the Umpires (on & off field). Anything within the Laws is within the 'Spirit of the game'. What are laws for? No more spirits.
You say about the rules of carey and it was correct but the problem is when you want win at all cost and Mark Taylor avoiding me wearing an England cap. I paid alot of hard earned money and for now tv. Also recovering after cancer which is life or death not the ashes. Do you know that I waited for any cricketer to take photos of me. Every English man took one and when I saw Mark Taylor and I asked to take a photo. He ignored me as I thought he was neutral but I was proven wrong because he ignored me and went to the media box. After chemotherapy and I am just recovering from cancer, I am very upset how the Australians want to win at all cost when it is only a game. Do you know I was one of last few supporters waiting after the match on the 5th day waiting. If you had cancer, you might think differently.
You say about the rules of carey and it was correct but the problem is when you want win at all cost and Mark Taylor avoiding me wearing an England cap. I paid alot of hard earned money and for now tv. Also recovering after cancer which is life or death not the ashes. Do you know that I waited for any cricketer to take photos of me. Every English man took one and when I saw Mark Taylor and I asked to take a photo. He ignored me as I thought he was neutral but I was proven wrong because he ignored me and went to the media box. After chemotherapy and I am just recovering from cancer, I am very upset how the Australians want to win at all cost when it is only a game especially with Steve Smith and David Warner cheating. Do you know I was one of last few supporters waiting after the match on the 5th day waiting. If you had cancer, you might think differently.
It’s ironic that the ashes came about because Australia beat England in the very first test & England were so incensed that they were beaten by the “colonials” they spat the dummy & burnt the bails used in the test(great example of the spirit of the game). And they have been whinging & complaining ever since.
Why did the on field umpires go to the third umpire when it was several metres out of the crease at impact? Because they weren't watching. Why weren't they watching? Because they thought it was the end of the over.
If you remember Dhoni recalled Ian bell in a similar situation when everyone thought the ball was dead. Listen to Sir Geoffrey talk about body line series and how Australia refused to come to England for the next ashes should they persist with body line, even though it’s within rules. The bottom line is if you push the rules too much, then cricket becomes a zero-sum game and everyone starts doing this kind of tit for tat to gain advantage. These things should be taught in the U10, U12 level to play the game with the right spirit and not look for these kind of advantages. Ultimately education and the way you have been taught plays an important part. Spirit of cricket comes into play when you get a batsman out who has not taken any undue advantage. In mankading or stumping or running out, a batsman gets an advantage when trying those. But in this case the batsman hasn’t taken or got any advantage. While I agree that Bairstow was wrong to stroll out of the crease, we also need to understand he was not trying to steal a single or take undue advantage. This is similar to batsman pulling out after a bowler delivers the ball (yet its called a dead ball) or bowler pulling out just coz he didn’t get his run up right. In these situations both batsman or bowler need to bowl or concentrate on one additional ball. I think if batsman or bowler don’t get any advantage on a action, then getting them out on such action/habit is little unfair. In Bairstows case probably the opponents could have given a warning.
And how do u reconcile the “catch” by Stark the previous day. We all saw that was not only a catch but an amazing display of fielding excellence. Stokes could have used the spirit of the game to right an obvious wrinkle in the rule book.
Boycott's account of the history of Bodyline leaves out key facts. He ignores the fact that the MCC decided that bodyline ought to be banned after the West Indies fast bowlers Martindale and Constantine tried it against England in 1933.
Apparently England’s way, by McCullum & Stoke’s reckoning. This is where not in “ the spirit of the game” comes in, England not respecting the opposition’s triumphs.
When Test cricket is reduced to a single annual match between India and Australia, I'm sure the Australians will be just as self-congratulatory. They don't understand that it is the paying punters they cheated of a fantastic contest. That Stokes made it one is testament to his class, not their lack of it.
Tim Paine is a man with a chip on his shoulder - possibly because he couldn't bat and was one of the worst Captains I've ever seen. His Captaincy at Headingly is some of the worst I've ever seen.
Cummins should learn from gentlemans like MS Doni or Kane Willams. Not from Smith or Waner. Tocksick culture Not changed. Sad to see Tim left. He did a amazing job to turn Around.
Nithing is cotroversial.mediya and do called English supporters make it .see what rules are saying. English people and their mediya dhould not talj about spirit and ethics
Which ever way you dress it up, it's a cheap wicket from the ranked number one test team in the world. Bairstow was a twat, but cleary wasn't looking for an advantage. Let's move on!!
You know we have the Poms right where we want them by all their squealing and bleating and protesting! They will try anything to deflect attention away from their absolute humiliation in front of their home crowds!!!
I'm enjoying the hostility between the fans/ players. It's good to see the false friendliness pretend banter disappear. Aussies definitely have a cutting edge mentality, hopefully we can develop a more ruthless attitude.
Here's a little something I wrote for those gin-soaked jackasses in the Members' Stand; 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗟𝗼𝗿𝗱'𝘀 𝗣𝗿𝗮𝘆𝗲𝗿 Our game, which is from Heaven, Sour grapes be thy name. Our day will come, and we will be done, In Leeds as we were in Edgbaston. Give us one day, a day to be glad. And forgive us our whingeing, Though we never forgive those who win against us, But deliver us from losing, For ours is the shame, the tears and hypocrisy, For ever and ever. Sad men.
