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Sennheiser HD 650, HD 600, and HD 580 Review - Time-tested Reference Standards 

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HD 600 EQ:
Preamp: -10.0 dB
20 Hz, +9.5 dB, Q 0.8
40 Hz, +1.5 dB, Q 0.8
3500 Hz, -3.0 dB, Q 2.0
10000 Hz, -3.0 dB, Q 3.0
14000 Hz, +0.5 dB, Q 2.0
HD 650 EQ:
Preamp: -7.5 dB
20 Hz, +6.5 dB Q 0.8
40 Hz, +1.5 dB Q 0.8
3500 Hz, -2.0 dB Q 2.0
10000 Hz, -3.0 dB Q 3.0
14000 Hz, +0.5 dB Q 2.0
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@ColossalKiwi
@ColossalKiwi 7 лет назад
Another wonderful review/comparison, Metal!
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
Only thing I forgot is to talk about the sound change due to the pads. The pads tend to wear out in about a year if you are using these daily, and as I said they cost around $50 which is on the pricey side. You'll want to replace them when they go flat because this softens the highs to a noticeable degree and it sounds like they lose some detail. I recently replaced the pads on my 600 and the treble opened up and became noticeably more detailed. Also I know someone is going to ask about the monitors I'm wearing. That's the DT770 Pro 80 ohm.
@RojasTKD7
@RojasTKD7 7 лет назад
Woo hoo! Got some 770/80 again. Yes, I did notice. I miss mine.
@HarshKumar-ts9mu
@HarshKumar-ts9mu 7 лет назад
metal571 Hi buddy. I have to say that now you are my fav. reviewer. Till now, Lachlan was my fav. But now he is second n you are first. Your reviews are so much detailed, so much simple n sober. No rubbish intro or music. Just plain n simple "REVIEW". Outstanding work. Keep it up. Now my question...The Beyers you were wearing, I guess you have sold earlier. Have you bought them again for reviewing or for what? I am asking because I am a huge fan of beyers. Please tell me more about the 80ohms.
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
Harsh Kumar the 80 ohms I used to own and another 80 ohm pair I've heard that were both used had the same signature I described in my review of those. Much less treble. However the new one I'm wearing here sounds more like the 32 and 250 ohm models and has the full Beyer treble like a DT990. Not recommended.
@JohnSmith-oe4bw
@JohnSmith-oe4bw 7 лет назад
If there is one thing you gotta give it to with the 770 (at least the one I have), is that if there is ANY distortion or clipping in the audio source, you'll def hear it! - I haven't heard the difference between the different ohm versions. I have the GC branded DT770 STUDIO, 80 ohms, and it's pretty colored, with scooped mids, and a hot top end. But you get fast detail retrieval, and I love the sig.
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
John Smith yeah I can see for analytical listening how they'd be useful. Kinda the same thing that the HD 800 is accomplishing with its strong treble region but lightning quick transient response.
@fuzzybaffy
@fuzzybaffy 7 лет назад
"Am I Zeos today? All I care about right now is the wires, apparently." - I LMAO'ed at that comment.
@DamnWow
@DamnWow 4 года назад
This is the only no nonsense review I'v been able to find. New sub for sure
@geniekoko
@geniekoko 7 лет назад
Great great review. Im using the HD650s with PS Audio DLiii DAC/ Burson Soloist MK1. For the money -hard to beat imo!
@KimJongUnTheOneAndOnly
@KimJongUnTheOneAndOnly 7 лет назад
Mate your videos are a joy to watch!
@AlexRowe
@AlexRowe 7 лет назад
"Am I Zeos today?" Hahaha that was good. Great review!
@jonathanr2830
@jonathanr2830 3 года назад
You said it best! My thoughts exactly!
@brf1009
@brf1009 7 лет назад
I like your non biased reviews, never change that.
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
Yeah I ripped on the Amiron and the 1770 because that's exactly what I thought about them. Both of those were review units sent for free. Send me crap, you'll get a crap review. Otherwise this would be a useless channel
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
Even though the 1770s don't have as hot of treble as the 770s the amount of grain is hideous for 3x the price. Beyer hasn't made a headphone I actually like yet... even my new DT770 80 ohm has crazy DT990 esque treble. Some people are telling me to try the DT150 and also the DT250 seems to be very different and more neutral.
@brf1009
@brf1009 7 лет назад
How about the T1 2nd gen?
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
Haven't heard those yet but from what I've read it's not significantly improved over the first gen. Honestly if I was using EQ with the original T1 back when I reviewed it it might not have been intolerable. But I still think there was some grain there along with the treble peak. The HD 800 doesn't have that issue post-eq
@brf1009
@brf1009 7 лет назад
Probably your ears just adapted to the hot treble levels which I wouldn't consider a good thing(?.
@WJL91
@WJL91 3 года назад
Thank you, I was so torn before slightly leaning to the 600, your video made that decision so easy, 600 it is! About to buy. Thank you
@metal571
@metal571 3 года назад
Hopefully you enjoy
@WJL91
@WJL91 3 года назад
metal571 thank you, now ordered ❤️
@casualmime2792
@casualmime2792 5 лет назад
Awesome as always man
@godders7594
@godders7594 7 лет назад
Another excellent review
@geof98
@geof98 7 лет назад
Nice video. I love the 650 but havent tried the others.
@SiddharthNilakantan
@SiddharthNilakantan 6 лет назад
well done! Looking forward to my HD6xx now!
@gm3451
@gm3451 6 лет назад
Me too ! Does yours ship in July as well ?
@dnalekaw4699
@dnalekaw4699 6 лет назад
Same, although mine ships in March.
@SiddharthNilakantan
@SiddharthNilakantan 6 лет назад
Mine is estimated to ship in late March
@barrybrennan2135
@barrybrennan2135 7 лет назад
I own both the 600's and the 650's. I've spent considerable time working and listening to both models. In summary, I think they are best described as a headphone coming in two flavours - neutral (600's) and w/ mid bass emphasis (650's). However, two other notable characteristics stand out for me. The first notable difference is soundstage - the 650 is more diffuse. Presentation is somewhat airier and wider sounding. The 600 seems offers more precision in its placement, albeit is more closed-in sounding. Also, the sum whole of listening to the 650 is a more sonorous, warm, euphonic experience. Ultimately, it comes down to matter of personal taste and perhaps usage intentions. Personally, the 650 fits the bill better for me - less fatiguing over long periods, still reference quality enough if one is mindful of its slightly warm presentation. Also, for pure listening enjoyment, it takes itself out of the equation more readily - which is what really great speakers/headphones should do. In many ways, the best praise one can afford a reference speaker or headphone is that it's unremarkable. Also, when one reads enough reviews and testimonies of headphones/ speakers, one quickly finds out that any given headphone or speaker can run the gamut of superlatives. One person's warm is another's dark and veiled. The K701 is etched for one and detailed for another. The 600 is neutral for one and utterly boring for another. Many come to this tier of headphone quality without really knowing their preferred signature/presentation. Get out and listen if you can. There's no right or wrong ultimately - only what suits your ears.
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
+Barry Brennan that's right, I listen to all kinds of stuff and I still settle on these because they are so unremarkable. Nowadays I really think boring is actually an ideal sound signature
@followumesh
@followumesh 7 лет назад
I have owned 518 for a while. It's on the warmer side, though it's not quite defined as these. Of these two, I was looking for a sound signature similar to 518. I bought 600. I'm discovering that it's more subdued about reverbs and a bit harsh on mid-highs (perhaps my ears are less tolerant). May be I should go for 650.
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
The 650s would be a little closer but they still have slightly forward mids
@followumesh
@followumesh 7 лет назад
Your analysis is spot on. I finally bought 650 and wow. They are definitely my type. I also ordered Fiio Q1 amp, but didn't notice any difference, my laptop can drive them well.
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
followumesh1 it's not so much that they need power to sound good but that they will get loud enough with amplification. Some amps may improve them slightly overall. Next step is trying EqualizerAPO and Peace with the 650s and applying my EQ if you want to restore some of the missing sub bass
@headphonefanboy623-4
@headphonefanboy623-4 7 лет назад
Excellent comparison. I have these three headphones and pretty much agree with your assessment. If you like the 650, you'll like the Momentum 2.0 over ear, it sounds just like a portable 650 would if the 650 was portable. It is a bit more forward in the mid range than the 650, so you'll have to pull it back a couple of dB more than the 650 EQ, but otherwise, very similar
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
+Headphonefanboy623 - I demoed those briefly and was really impressed with the neutrality. They're coming up soon in a series of 3 reviews thanks to a Lumoid order I placed some weeks ago that is finally shipping
@kentxx12
@kentxx12 4 года назад
Just love this show :)
@motap001
@motap001 7 лет назад
Good 😊 job as usual.
@SaltedSlug85
@SaltedSlug85 6 лет назад
I bought the HD600 10 years ago. One suggestion I read on a forum back then, was to buy the headband cushion made for the beyer's. The 770, 880, etc use the same headband cushion. Just pop the clips, take off the HD600 headband, pop the clips back on, then wrap the Beyer headband pad over the HD600's and button it. It fits pretty tight.. perfect honestly. I've used these headphones every day for a decade, and I just now decided to refresh my beyer headband pad on my HD600's. They held up so well, i'm not sure I even need too. They are still comfortable. I also notice it preserved the finish on the top of the hd600's over these years.
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
+SaltedSlug the only thing I'd say is that you definitely need to replace the earpads about once a year or more if they are a daily use headphone. It gets flattened and the sound gets a lot darker, interestingly. Never heard that about the headband - sounds like it would work really well.
@SaltedSlug85
@SaltedSlug85 6 лет назад
metal571 I don't even remember how the stock headband feels because it's been 10 years but I remember being very happy with the swap. In 10 years of everyday use I've replaced the ear pads twice.
@raaph
@raaph 6 лет назад
THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO
@jcrazyblue4u
@jcrazyblue4u 7 лет назад
Love your unbiased review.. quick question could you give any recommendations for dac/ amp combos for these? What about dap/portable amp combos?
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
+jcrazyblue4u honestly not big on amps. I just use a Modi 1 and Magni 2.
@jeffreylin6714
@jeffreylin6714 4 года назад
Hey man, just wanted to compliment you for including EQ settings in the description of all your reviews. They're a great help to those of us who love to use EQ! I wanted to ask: how much can you increase the bass on the HD650 before the total harmonic distortion starts to become a problem? Do you feel it starts to get out of control with the settings you provided? Or to your ears, is the distortion not that bad using +6.5 dB Q 0.8 @ 20Hz and +1.5dB Q 0.8 @ 40Hz? Thanks again for making these awesome reviews!
@metal571
@metal571 4 года назад
Thanks, and honestly I'd say it's more to do with what volume you're listening at, as that's what ultimately causes THD to become apparent. If you're listening quieter then sub bass boosts won't bleed as much as a louder listener, where you'll start to hear the bass bleed way sooner. I wish it was that simple, but the answer is...it depends.
@atalkspodcasting
@atalkspodcasting 2 года назад
Hey man! Sup! Don’t know if u remember me but I definitely do! I was thinking to buy the 650s & who knows I might have even ordered one, but I really wanted to hear what you had to say about them, and since I managed to grab them for 290, I think i won’t lose much! Thanks for your videos, I wish you continued reviewing more stuff! Cheers!
@JohnSmith-oe4bw
@JohnSmith-oe4bw 7 лет назад
Another great video. Thanks, 571. I have the 580's, and a producer friend had the 580's & 595's back around 10 years ago. I was gifted the 580's, but wish I had the 595's. The 580's were/are too slow for me, and the strong mid emphasis isn't my thing. I loved the 595's, and wish I had those. I picked up the 598's thinking that they would be an upgrade or similar to the 595's for music monitoring, but I found them unsatisfactory for music, and better for general multimedia (movies etc.). I always thought about getting the 600 or 650, but from what Ive always understood, the 580's are VERY close to the 600's. So, they'd all basically have a sound that I wouldn't prefer. Man, I wish I had a pair of 595's these days. I remember them being fast, and having more treble presense/clarity. Very good and plesant for rock/metal music (for Senmnheiser anyway!).
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
+John Smith yeah I owned a 555 modded to a 595 and the mids were nailed perfectly on that one. I wish they didn't make it brighter on the 598 series which has even more midrange than the 600 or 650. The 595 rolls off even more on the bass than the 598 though if remember right but it was a lot less fatiguing.
@ralphfurley123
@ralphfurley123 4 года назад
Great review!!! I’m just getting into hi-fi headphones and this video gave a great deal of info that will help guide me to my first headphones!!! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!!! Just subscribed!!! ☮️🖖🏽
@RojasTKD7
@RojasTKD7 7 лет назад
The HD 600 are very nice and the mids are FANTASTIC! My issue was the slight bass hump fallowed be the complete lack of extension. I really like my sub bass and didn't enjoy that aspect. One day I get a new pair and pare it with a tube AMP and see what all the talk is about.
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
+RojasTKD7 you could try my EQ as well. It's pretty overly aggressive and attempts to restore as much sub bass as possible. They respond okay, but once you start trying to hear below 40 Hz it becomes a little messy. But it helps.
@JioFreedOfOphan
@JioFreedOfOphan 6 лет назад
When I first received my 600's it wasn't but two weeks after using the stock cable that I said to he'll with it and ordered the 650 cable. Best $24 I ever spent.
@Immortal__
@Immortal__ 4 года назад
In terms of strength or did it change the sound?
@JioFreedOfOphan
@JioFreedOfOphan 4 года назад
@@Immortal__ It's a better cable in general. The connectors are larger so you don't have to grasp at the puny stock ones. The cord itself is also thicker as well, so more durable. My amp comes with a standard 1/4 inch jack so the need for a 3.5mm connector is moot. As far as any changes in sound are concerned, I didn't hear any substantial difference.
@nykzolot
@nykzolot 7 лет назад
Hey man, thanks for the great review! Your reviews are always very analytical and definitely one of my favorites. What do you consider to be a worthy upgrade option to replace HD 650 within 500k USD price range and with more or less similar sound signature?
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
Noticeable upgrades to the 650 IMO come at or around the $1000+ mark. I would stick with it, unless you are looking for more of a sidegrade or something with a different signature. TH-X00 comes to mind
@nykzolot
@nykzolot 7 лет назад
What about cans like AKG 712? Can those be compared to HD 650? Also, can we expect Beyer DT 1990 review? Hopefully those are at least decent, some folks praised them quite highly.
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
Yeah 712 is very good, I have one now for review and that is coming soon. I have a bunch of exciting stuff from Lumoid I'm doing first like the Audeze LCD-3, Momentum M2, and Audeze SINE before I will get a chance to review the 1990. But I'd stay away from the Tesla drivers in general. The 712 is still on the brighter side but it has the same seductive mids of the other AKGs and more filled in and very fast bass. Once you pull the treble down and keep the unique mids it's an awesome flavor can. I wouldn't even wait for my review of the 712. If I were you, I'd just buy one on Amazon and give it a shot
@Justfillintheblank
@Justfillintheblank 2 года назад
500K USD? I think you could buy every headphone in existence with that sort of money.
@solderbuddy
@solderbuddy 3 года назад
I use the HD650 running through a little dot mk3 tube amp and a topping dac and they sound wonderful for Jazz and music that doesn't need to focus heavy on bass.
@simonjensen5175
@simonjensen5175 3 года назад
Hey metal571. Found your channel recently, and you are a brilliant reviewer, with a style i enjoy and to the point. I wanted to ask about the 650's if you reccomended to have an amp with them, or directly to audio interface, or directly to a device? I dont own an amp, but i saw a good deal for 650's, thanks!
@dannybos7024
@dannybos7024 3 года назад
Get an amp, only then they'll sound their best.
@romabantao341
@romabantao341 6 лет назад
Can you make a review of the new HD660S? Great review btw!
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
+Romuluos Abantao it's the next one coming up
@thetruth34o9
@thetruth34o9 4 года назад
My HD6xx's sound amazing with your 650 EQ. Fuck. Edit: Just like my DT1990s do with your EQ, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Favorite audio reviewer on youtube, keep it up man.
@akshaylaxmipathi2932
@akshaylaxmipathi2932 7 лет назад
Good to see you back at reviewing quality headphones dude :) I see that you've changed your EQ settings for the HD 600 Would it be good for the HD 598 as well?
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
+Akshay Laxmipathi the 558 settings I posted in the 598 Cs 558 600 group review video will work better. They aren't quite the same
@akshaylaxmipathi2932
@akshaylaxmipathi2932 7 лет назад
Thanks a bunch man :)
@newsigmundfreud3023
@newsigmundfreud3023 6 лет назад
For this clear review and comparison. What would you say about the Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro (compared to the Sennheiser HD650) ??
@jeroenfigee
@jeroenfigee 4 года назад
Found one for 125! That is a HD 580 :-) It sounds great and it is really 1:1 with my 2031a's Really glad I bought these cans. Thank you for making this video, it definitely helped with deciding this purchase. :-)
@gokussj9080
@gokussj9080 4 года назад
I bought hd599 on Amazon for like 110$
@andrewcole7149
@andrewcole7149 4 года назад
@@gokussj9080 599 is a lower line than the 580>600>650 line. Still good phones though.
@gokussj9080
@gokussj9080 4 года назад
@@andrewcole7149 I doubt it's lower than the 580's
@sunnypatri
@sunnypatri Год назад
I own HD 6xx since last 3 years and it got damaged due to heavy usage, considering some many great reviews available online I ordered both HD 600 and HD 660s from Amazon to try. I thought whichever I like I'll keep. After trying over the last 2-3 weeks on daily basis on a varities of songs (English - my collection, Indian- Bollywood music, RU-vid videos, movies etc.) that I listen - it was very clear none of these are as good as HD 6xx for my liking and I returned both HD 650 and HD 660s. My honest take is that HD 600 very crisp, clear and snappy as so many RU-vidrs mention but bass is clearly missing and not immersive across most tracks as the HD 6xx. 600 is fatiguing as well, I got ear pain when used for more than 1 hr with some volume while HD 6xx I have slept entire night over so many days with 6xx on my head, it is that comfortable and got damaged due to that :) HD 660s I did not understand what was that (worst amongst these 3 while costing highest) - did not like sound signature, neither crisp as 600 nor immersive as 6xx. I am neither an audiophile nor some speciliast to recommend others - just a listener who enjoys varities of songs and HD 6xx's sound signature is mesmerising and outstanding product. I will re-order when the current one fails completely.
@metal571
@metal571 Год назад
In the end I also ended up keeping a 650 which is the same headphone as the 6XX
@zachbuentello9009
@zachbuentello9009 4 года назад
Hey man, love your videos and you’ve helped me in my search a ton. Ive narrowed down to a few but I’m torn between hd600, hd650 and dt1990 pro but can’t find your dt 1990 pro review. Which would you suggest? I mainly will use them for producing hip hop/r&b/trap and some EDM. Thanks
@metal571
@metal571 4 года назад
Sundara
@zachbuentello9009
@zachbuentello9009 4 года назад
metal571 Thanks I’ll check them out. Should I not be worried about build quality/QC?
@metal571
@metal571 4 года назад
@@zachbuentello9009 not if you buy new with a warranty from a dealer
@alrasekhoon1
@alrasekhoon1 5 лет назад
Hi metal571. Is it worth it to own them all 3 hd600, hd650 and hd660's. I have the hd600 but thinking about buying the rest of the 6 line, greetz from holland !
@DICARLOPRODUCTIONS
@DICARLOPRODUCTIONS 2 года назад
I had an endorsement deal with Sennheiser, and they gave me a lot of equipment for free. The HD-580, and HD-25 headphones were part of that equipment, along with some great microphones. I was told that they brought out the HD-600´s mainly for cosmetic reasons to have a more modern look. I still think the HD-580´s sound more true than the 600´s, or 650´s.
@NealBrewer
@NealBrewer 6 месяцев назад
The 580's were pinnacle, leave no doubt, but good luck finding a pair. HD 650 is the next best.
@davejonze
@davejonze 7 лет назад
Great Review! I have the 600&598 they're such a great duo for listening. I find myself grabbing the 598 for amped music and the 600 for my tube amp @6db
@manueljenkin95
@manueljenkin95 7 лет назад
You dont find the hd598 grainy in low treble and lacking in low bass thump (Midbass is pretty strong though)? The low treble grain is bugging me with fast paced alt.rock and those stuff.
@davejonze
@davejonze 7 лет назад
I really haven't found any negatives about the 598, the low frequencies can be taxing after a while. I use them with a e17k with 5th gen iPod with lod listening to all types of genres of music mostly metal though. Sound stage is very impressive and they're a fun/quick pair of headphones for the 💰
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
Indeed the 598 has grain throughout and is hugely missing the sub bass region. But that's compared to the HD 600 which isn't too fair a comparison. For 150 the 598 is still a solid value and it can be equalized to a good degree to partially fix some of its issues.
@manueljenkin95
@manueljenkin95 7 лет назад
metal571 can you share your equalization present (yes I know how to eq) for hd598 and Amping requirements for the equalization? I don't have a dedicated amp and just power them by my surface book, in general I use them at 65% to 85% volume. I indeed love them for chillstep/classic rock and other stuff and I surprisingly found their bass enough for my needs (it never kicks, slams or thumps though but it is warm enough) but for any aggressive or fast music I found them too grainy and also their imaging isn't the best around (I wish for better transitions from left to right sound in certain music and also especially the prescence of a better center channel would be welcome).
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
The soundstage is actually slightly wider than the 600. Also I did put an EQ for the modded 558 in the description of my 558 598 Cs and 600 comparison video. But you will probably need additional power if your volume is already that high to be able to boost the bass enough.
@cruzzeaudiochanel2581
@cruzzeaudiochanel2581 7 лет назад
Hi...please make a review about Monoprice Monolith M560, I really want to know your opinion...
@RogerPack
@RogerPack 6 лет назад
link to "conclusion" or what not welcome in description. (for followers it's 14:00). Also a "winner"? Couldn't find a 580 on ebay anymore, and other prices a bit out of date. Also you can get the hd 6xx for $200 :)
@bulcano1000
@bulcano1000 7 лет назад
have you thought about reviewing bookshelf speakers? and other audio components
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
I don't have as much experience and no room treatments for speakers. Amps I'm not good at telling apart yet either.
@markkirschenmann3925
@markkirschenmann3925 2 года назад
Thank you for your very thoughtful review. I'm a longtime user and fan of my HD 580s, but they're getting on about 20 years old. I'm wondering if anyone here has a preference--600, 650 or 660--for analytical listening. I'm looking to use them for tracking, mixing and mastering. If the cost differences between them isn't an issue...
@metal571
@metal571 2 года назад
They're pretty much the same sound profile with minor differences so not really any reason to switch if you like yours
@orbea1951
@orbea1951 7 лет назад
Great review. I listened again to Tyll's review of the same three headphones to compare, and your review is better, although the conclusions are remarkably similar. That was of course before he discovered "the world best headphones" .. yeah. I bought HD600 three years ago, loved them. After a couple of months of listening to HD600 I auditioned HD650 in a store and I felt like having hot flashes, which would not be unusual at my age. But after buying HD800S I did not see any reason to keep HD600, exchanged them for HE500. But for anyone starting in the hobby HD600 is just must have.
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
+orbea1951 I still have my HD 600 because so far it is overall the best headphone I've found in its price range. It is, and will for some time be, the absolute standard to which I compare all other open back headphones under 400 dollars.
@MrJhuang999
@MrJhuang999 3 года назад
What do you think of the HD58X? And in comparison to these?
@ledalius
@ledalius 6 лет назад
Thanks for your videos! I play guitar on Line 6 Helix LT Guitar Multi-effects Processor with headphones. The output has 12 Ohm impedance and as manual says: "provides plenty of gain for high impedance headphones". Do you think it will run HD 600 with 300 Ohm properly?
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
+Dalius Ališauskas no way to tell without real specs like actual power output given a certain impedance load. That's what actual headphone amps give you in their specs
@rickymolina7390
@rickymolina7390 5 лет назад
Thank you for your reply. OK, based on your review (and Josh Valour's) then it looks like i'll have to stretch a little and get the BeyerDynamic DT1990. Can I use my Apollo Twin interface to power them? As far as the other reviews for the other headphones mentioned, they were from DMS, The Nitpicker, Mitch Michele and 1 Review A Day just so you know.
@metal571
@metal571 5 лет назад
The DT880 is actually quite a bit less grainy in the treble than the 1990 but the bass extension isn't nearly as good. But apparently only ishca and I believe that. Both headphones are much brighter than the Sennheisers. Interfaces don't often give useful specifications on power output in mW for a given impedance load so I can't tell you at all if it'll be able to power any of these
@rickymolina7390
@rickymolina7390 5 лет назад
@@metal571 Thank you again for your help. FYI, I'm giving you a thumbs up in my upcoming RU-vid video which talks about my hunt for a quality open-back pair of headphones for my home recording studio and how we have to be careful who we get info from about audiophile products.
@metal571
@metal571 5 лет назад
Seriously true. There are way too many audiophile "lifestyle" sites and basic tech sites that don't tell you anything about the sound or just give things positive reviews because they are expensive.
@ExtremelyTastyBread
@ExtremelyTastyBread Год назад
Ordered a magni+modi stack and the 6XX, which I've been told is a reskinned 650. Looking forward to it, but there's been tons of threads of folks who don't like the 6XX for some reason. Perhaps if I don't like them I might return and try the 600? We'll see
@user-yk2wb2zo8x
@user-yk2wb2zo8x 7 лет назад
i have sound blaster z sound card and i have q701 so what is the better extra amp or dac to connect it with sound blaster z to have the larg and big power ?
@cavemanmasters
@cavemanmasters 4 года назад
HD650's retain their tone better when plugging into different headphone amplifiers, whereas the HD600's are more sensitive to variances in amplifier topology. Hope this helps!
@zerooneonetwothree1872
@zerooneonetwothree1872 2 года назад
Thats a trait of colourations or as people who like certain colourations say *character* Which doesnt tell much about other qualities, still...
@samperez8924
@samperez8924 2 года назад
Hello there metal571! would you recommend the hd580 for around 160-180$ if you could find one? the HD58x and 6xx would be around 230 or more (total cost after Shipping/Tax) what would you say? Cheers!
@rickymolina7390
@rickymolina7390 5 лет назад
Another question if I may: should I go the extra distance to purchase the BeyerDynamic DT 1990 Pros over something like the Monolith M1060s? Thank you.
@metal571
@metal571 5 лет назад
Check my 1060 review. Really not a fan of those - they have a design flaw and are an attempt to knock off an Audeze driver. The cheapest passable planar I know of is the he-4xx, not those
@rickymolina7390
@rickymolina7390 5 лет назад
Thank you. I'll have a look at your Monolith video. @@metal571
@jakev1341
@jakev1341 5 лет назад
Not sure if you still view comments on old videos, How would you compare the HD 650 to the headset you were wearing in the video? The DT 770, correct?
@metal571
@metal571 5 лет назад
Not even related
@TheIgnoramus
@TheIgnoramus 2 года назад
Just bought my first 650 pair, havnt splurged in a decade. Going to pair with SonarWorks and see if that sub bass ends up being a mess or using them as is.
@medwatt
@medwatt 7 лет назад
Did you get a new camera or you adjusted the lightning somehow (I don't see any yellow tinge) ?
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
Added more lighting overhead recently which allowed elimination of the background lamp as well that was disgustingly blowing out highlights. There's still a washing out that occurs with my current video editing software and capture, which will be fixed in the next review. Also these are not uploaded in a RU-vid friendly format which I am fixing with new video editing software so processing will take less time and the video quality will be closer to what comes out of the C920.
@hereticyes1380
@hereticyes1380 6 лет назад
Got hd580 for 120$, waiting for them now :3
@joshski85
@joshski85 4 года назад
So, if I was to get the DT770 for rock/metal and the 650's for everything else as my music taste goes from Enya to Strapping Young Lad, I would be covered? I have the 558's but they don't do it for me besides singer song writer stuff.
@MrGreaseweasel
@MrGreaseweasel 4 года назад
Hi. Could you help me? I´m trying to find good over-ear headphones. I listen mostly metal music pretty loud. I´ve tried Sennheiser hd 600 and 660s and don´t like the mids either (too forward and shouty). Also tried Audio technicas ath- m40x and m50x (I prefer open back) and the cups was too small for my ears. Also tried beyerdynamics dt 770 880 990, they were too bright and harsh on the treble. i have and old amp sony str-d515 Tone controls BASS; ±8 dB at 100 Hz TREBLE; ±8 dB at 10 kHz and LOW BOOST+10 dB at 70 Hz. Could you suggest any headphones let´s say under 600€? I currently have Philips fidelio x2´s, I like the bass and the mids (not forward), but the treble is too sibilance and not very detailed. I used to have cheap Philips SHP-895 which i liked the most so far.
@A7medAli96
@A7medAli96 3 года назад
is the rode ai-1 audio interface enough to powered the sennheiser hd 650 ?
@TonyFernandezjkdjedi
@TonyFernandezjkdjedi 6 лет назад
Mids seem to be amp specific, just saw a review were the guy said he felt the mids (on the 650) are more recessed compared the the 600..did you hear it that way as well?
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
+Tony Fernandez 650 only about a dB less upper midrange. They're very close
@combojohn7953
@combojohn7953 2 года назад
Great review! I want to find the best headphone for vocals, mids. What do you think? Which is the best? Hd650, Lcd2/3 fazor, prefazor, Monolith 1060c open mod, Argon mk3? Do you have any suggestion? Please?🙂
@metal571
@metal571 2 года назад
I use the LCD2F personally to this day, with EQ
@combojohn7953
@combojohn7953 2 года назад
@@metal571 Thank you!🤗
@7stringguitarplayer
@7stringguitarplayer Год назад
@metal571 can you eq a 6xx to sound just like the 600?
@arefinkhandaker4370
@arefinkhandaker4370 3 года назад
listening to this review in my sennheiser hd 650
@metal571
@metal571 3 года назад
still have mine
@Justfillintheblank
@Justfillintheblank 2 года назад
@@metal571 Still replying to comments 4 years later! Legend.
@philippsteininger7912
@philippsteininger7912 7 лет назад
are you gonna review the DT 1990 to complete the beyer-trio?
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
+Philipp S. It's on my list
@Yu-ej1cy
@Yu-ej1cy 4 года назад
I have been a fan of you youtube channel since I watched your AKG K240 DF review. Do you still own the HD 580 in the review and if so, would you be willing to sell it?
@metal571
@metal571 4 года назад
The 580 was never mine. I use a 650 right now and don't plan to sell it
@Yu-ej1cy
@Yu-ej1cy 4 года назад
@@metal571 Thanks for the quick reply. I was looking at ebay for quite sometime and failed to find one with a good price. Hope you can overcome the hiatus and continue with the youtube reviews.
@metal571
@metal571 4 года назад
Yeah they've become rarer and more expensive having been out of production for something like 2 decades now
@brydon10
@brydon10 5 лет назад
HD 650 treble is a bit too dark for me but I want to give it another try, some more time to get used to it.
@grady7443
@grady7443 7 лет назад
Hi, I'm new to this so bare with me please. I listen to rock most of the time. Ozzie (no more tears), Led Zepplin, Aqualung, ect. I have pretty much narrowed my choice down to Senns 6oo, 650 or the BeyerDynamics 880pro. Have not heard any of them. What would be your recommendation? #1 pick, #2, pick as well. Thankyou in advance.
@charlesjacques750
@charlesjacques750 7 лет назад
grady jr consider the Fidelio X2's too as they are much easier to drive and guaranteed to be as good if not better in reviews.
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
Grain-fi
@pbneeks
@pbneeks 7 лет назад
Metal571 I went with your recommendation and got the hd650 and i absolutely love them! But as you know this hobby can get someone addicting and I really wanted to hear the sound signature of the HD600 cause mostly everyone prefers them to the hd650. And have to say this is too close to call for my ears. They are both excellent, I guess it may depend on what music your listening to. Do you think its worth it to keep both or do you think if I EQ the 650 I will be able to replicate the sound of the 600? What are your thoughts? And also what do you use to EQ? Do you have a program or an actual physical setup?
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
They are very similar but the 650 has superior bass extension that can be equalized better. See my EqualizerAPO video for how I equalize
@fak1tGaming
@fak1tGaming 6 лет назад
what kinda eq do you use mate?
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
EqualizerAPO with Peace GUI, I made a video on it
@rickybrenay6249
@rickybrenay6249 6 лет назад
Do you, or have you, use the Sonarworks Headphone plugin to make the headphones flat? If you do, how well do you like using it?
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
+Ricky Brenay not yet, only tuned by ear so far. Will see if I can get a trial at some point
@rickybrenay6249
@rickybrenay6249 6 лет назад
metal571 do you have waves q clone plug in?
@rickymolina7390
@rickymolina7390 5 лет назад
Thank you for your videos. I just picked up a pair of Sennheiser HD650s and I'm not happy about the high mids and the high end. I appreciate the soundstaging very much but I find them to be a bit "veiled." The high end of the gtr picks across steel strings ain't coming through for some reason. I'm a composer/songwriter and I just need a fairly neutral pair of open-backs for my demos and was wondering if you could steer me in the right direction. My budget is currently up to $450 (closer to $400 preferably). Seems as though the Senn HD 700 is getting mixed to favorable reviews, and I like what I'm hearing about the Shure SRH 1840s and the Grado PS 1000es. Would you or someone reading this with some experience with some of the cans I just mentioned be able to make any recommendations? Thanks so much.
@metal571
@metal571 5 лет назад
HD 700 is terrible. Huge 7k peak. 1840 has massive harmonic distortion. Grados also are very poor on a technical level. I'm not sure where you are reading all of these reviews but you've found the right channel for unbiased reviews now. If you want something brighter than the 650 but not excessive and with very good timbre in the mids then you want a DT880 instead.
@jeffg2866
@jeffg2866 6 лет назад
+metal571 thanks for the review. HD 600 is $286 and 650 is $306 on Amazon. Is this a fair price point for these headphones?
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
+Jeff G extremely
@usp40guy5
@usp40guy5 6 лет назад
great perspective on the HD650. If I could improve on thing it would be the way it resolves detail in upper mid (>3K), not make it brighter, just more transparent and quicker.
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
+USP40guy I sort of found that the upper mids sound grainier than they actually are because they are a bit more forward than perhaps they should be. So after some equalization they are smooth and detail is easier to hear. Just my experience
@usp40guy5
@usp40guy5 6 лет назад
what some people call the veil, seem to me to be a lack of 3-10K transparency, speed, and sparkle that would make this more realistic to the original recording. I am using the OPPO BDP-105 built-in headphone amp, which just is pure gain straight from the DAC - nothing artificial added. I've never had the HD600 so I can't compare bass end. I agree with you that it tries to extend the bass region so it doesn't sound as lacking as say the Grado 325e does. I'm satisfied with the HD650 and it's ability to sound musical and the soundstaging and imaging more than make up for the small deficiencies it has (what system doesn't have compromises right?). But the comfort has been a work in progress with the out-of-the-box clamping force.
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
+USP40guy yeah you can leave it over a stack of books if you want to stretch it out. My HD 600 stretched just from wearing it so much but the process can be accelerated. Just be careful not to stretch too far as the headband plastic is known to crack
@bigyeetus2866
@bigyeetus2866 5 лет назад
Jesus christ do we have the same ears? That upper mids EQ worked wonders for the 650, was wondering why some songs have a "harsh" and "screechy" quality because their treble is so relaxed.
@metal571
@metal571 5 лет назад
Yep lol
@chrashpun3818
@chrashpun3818 4 года назад
What headphones would you recommend for listening to mostly piano and jazz?
@metal571
@metal571 4 года назад
K702
@bradd5961
@bradd5961 7 лет назад
HD650 or Meze 99 Classic if you had to choose? I'm really struggling to decide.
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
+Brad D 650
@BradSevy7
@BradSevy7 7 лет назад
"Am I Zeos today?" Hahaha!
@thesimtraintube3946
@thesimtraintube3946 5 лет назад
How does the 650 compare to a DT770 pro you're wearing?
@Little_Bitz
@Little_Bitz 5 лет назад
In a word..or a few... they do not.
@TomasLomba
@TomasLomba 5 лет назад
Is the 30 dollar difference found nowadays between the 600 and 650 worth it? (HD600 goes for $290 and the HD650 for $320)
@charliebrown3082
@charliebrown3082 7 лет назад
how do Pioneer se-a1000s compare with hd650. I see more than one comparison between the two on the internet. I was thinking of getting th e mass drop hd6xx but don't know if it's worth it. love your headphone reviews, thanks
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
6XX is identical to the 650 I reviewed here. Haven't heard the Pioneer.
@charliebrown3082
@charliebrown3082 7 лет назад
Some people are saying the pioneers are hd650 giant killers. They definately need to be broken in but they are dark, wide and bassy fun headphone for like $30. Build quality and design suck.
@MrMakatech
@MrMakatech 3 года назад
Question about EQ, I'm a newbie in this area (hifi headphones, dac/amps etc). What's the reason lowering preamp so much in your HD650 presets? Is it to increase headroom, prevent peaking and avoiding distortion while boosting? Your presets sound great by the way, I have been trying this setting and the one from your github section. Installing Equalizer APO & Peace today, working fine. I find Peace more user friendly comparing to REW. One issue though: When setting up Tidal in exclusive mode and forced volume for rending MQA/master files then my Equalizer APO & Peace settings won't work (because of exclusive mode). ;-) It works through Roon but I assume they have a different implementation (EQ integrated in their software).
@metal571
@metal571 3 года назад
It's to prevent compression. I use boosts in my EQs, so you have to compensate with negative preamp. Look at the resulting graph in Peace with the preamp added. Nothing should go above the 0 dB line. And yeah EqualizerAPO only works on the windows audio stack. It won't work with ASIO or WASAPI. But yes the settings should be exactly the same manually entered into Roon or JRiver
@MrMakatech
@MrMakatech 3 года назад
@@metal571 Ah, the "Add pre amplifying" box in the graph window, very useful, I see it now. Preventing compression, ok and distortion is a consequence of compression I assume? Looks like headroom in the amp is even more important when doing some serious EQing, at least when boosting and lowering the preamp value.
@metal571
@metal571 3 года назад
Indeed that is true, you cannot make an amp provide more power than it can provide. It can only give you so much bass so effectively you have to reduce other frequencies relative to the bass and turn it up in order to create a bass boost for example
@noth606
@noth606 3 года назад
I found a HD580 for 50eur, and ordered HD650 earcup pads, HD600 headband pad and HD650 cable for them. The new stuff cost a fair bit more than the headphones themselves but I have wanted something really good for years so I guess it's worth it.
@metal571
@metal571 3 года назад
That's a really good approach. Some people actually prefer the 580 over the 600 and 650 now
@noth606
@noth606 3 года назад
metal571 thanks for replying, it seems many swap the grills as well but I think I want to try the originals first and I couldn’t find the HD600 grills in stock anywhere. The pads on my HD580 are just flat and the foam part inner is missing, the cable works but it doesn’t seem very sturdy and some say there is some improvement in the sound with the newer cable type, that’s why I ended up ordering all that stuff in one go. They are otherwise in good condition and sound good and very detailed. But why would people prefer the HD580 over the HD600? I thought they are quite similar?
@metal571
@metal571 3 года назад
Some people have reported their 580 had no midbass hump at all unlike 600, but also has less shouty mids like the 650 at the same time. Some kind of utopia for ultra elite audiophile Sennheiser fans or something. Cable won't do anything different but stock 580 cable is built very poorly so I'd recommend the 650 cable at least. New pads are an absolute must. Old pads significantly change the sound, make it much warmer when they are flat.
@richardpenrose1968
@richardpenrose1968 4 года назад
How do you find the sound stage and sound leakage of the HD650 compares to the Beyer DT880 pro?
@Immortal__
@Immortal__ 4 года назад
I'm not sure about the HD650 or HD600 but I can say that for gaming, the DT 880 Premium 250 is a great headphone for gaming. The soundstage isn't the biggest (like K702), but the IMAGING within that soundstage is great. They're better for fps gaming like csgo, than K702, K712, AD900X, Shure 1840, DT 990, MX300, Gamer One. I couldn't keep them though because they were uncomfortable for my head and still a little to peaky in the treble. Fantastic headphones though.. I'm hopefully going to settle on the HD600
@lIlIIllIIllIlIIIIl
@lIlIIllIIllIlIIIIl 2 года назад
Hey Metal If you are still reading youtube comments I’m quite new to the game and Would love to hear your thoughts on HD650 vs Dt1990 Pro which one you like more?
@metal571
@metal571 2 года назад
Can't stand the very aggressively sibilant DT 1990, and still own a 650 for myself
@lIlIIllIIllIlIIIIl
@lIlIIllIIllIlIIIIl 2 года назад
@@metal571 Hey thanks for the reply man , just watched your 660s review 3 times in a row and still cant decide which one should I go with 650 or 660s for audio editing would love to know your thoughts thanks
@metal571
@metal571 2 года назад
@@lIlIIllIIllIlIIIIl if you have an amp, 650, otherwise 660S is more likely to get loud enough without one. Sundara is better than both imo but also requires an amp
@hunterjg777
@hunterjg777 6 лет назад
If you had to pick the best all rounder, for music, gaming and movies, which would you pick out of the HD 650, HD 600, hd 660s and the DT 770 Pro? (I am using an amp/dac with suitable power for all models).
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
660S
@hunterjg777
@hunterjg777 6 лет назад
Thanks for reply. The 660s is currently £349.99 in the UK, and the 650 is £285 - would you still say to go for the 660s? or are they both overpriced for what you get for the money.
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
Sounds like the 660S is still overpriced so 650 then
@robertcuthill8484
@robertcuthill8484 6 лет назад
I should have paid way more attention to your review. I got the 650's yesterday and Yes the highs are "darker" as you said. I'm really disappointed. The cymbals are missing the clean tick when the stick hits the brass (Leonid and Friends- Chicago cover band) and acoustic guitar is missing the brightness of the pick crossing the strings as can be heard in (Seal's- Crazy (acoustic). In my cheepo JVC's it sounds like the guitar is actually being played live in front of me. In the 650's that live presents is lacking. According to your review it sounds like I should of went with the 600's. Are they quite a bit brighter? That's definitely what I'm missing. I'm going to try to return these 650's. Thanks Rob
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
+robert cuthill definitely the 600 has a much more present air region. So does the 660S. Told ya :P
@robertcuthill8484
@robertcuthill8484 6 лет назад
Thanks I'm going to try for an exchange. Your review is spot on!
@bencherian
@bencherian 6 лет назад
I need a pair of headphones Closed type Budget-200dollars Sound signature-Warm sound with punchy bass . Don't like bright highs and treble that nearly have me headache. What should i try with ?
@melissamybubbles6139
@melissamybubbles6139 6 лет назад
ben cherian HD 6 mix?
@alexejnemov
@alexejnemov 3 года назад
Wonder how hes going to feel about the 560S...
@MrMakatech
@MrMakatech 3 года назад
Trying to understand EQ tweaking: I tried your latest hd650 setting from github today together with my iFi Zen Dac (running through balanced cables). For me your settings have slightly more emphasized bass, less mids together with more rounded treble, given a very smooth pleasant listening experience. I am not sure which one I like most yet though, without eq or your setting, running without giving me slighty more detail but also tiny bit more harsh. Only keeper Filter 1 and Filter 2 settings works for me too (only adding some bass). HD650 already have slightly rounded treble then I'm not sure if I want to lower it even more?
@metal571
@metal571 3 года назад
Adjust to what sounds best to you, that's all that matters. I prefer very smooth upper mids so 650 takes a big cut at 5k. I don't find the treble overly warm, maybe only above 10k. It's mostly the mids that are forward though
@MrMakatech
@MrMakatech 3 года назад
@@metal571 Ok, yes, I have to get better in trusting my ears, currently reading too much about this. :-) Your 5.5K cut is at the limit between upper mids and lower highs, right? I find EQing is good though for learning more about sound. Yes, the sound experience from your setup is smooth and pleasant with good base (on my setup). Question is if it is too smooth for me though, not sure yet. Maybe I got used to the mids being forward after listening to my HD6XX extensively a month. Perhaps that's why it sounds a bit different trying other settings. Not really sure if the balanced cable through the Zen Dac pushing the mids forward even more, tiny difference though. (RU-vidr "Currawong" is having this view when trying to run balanced cables for hd6xx/hd650 through the iFi Zen dac.) The increased headroom using balanced cables is nice though, perhaps saving me from buying a more powerful amp. Question: Are you using Spotify, Tidal Hifi or mostly flac files?
@metal571
@metal571 3 года назад
Spotify. And yeah many people enjoy the upper mids as-is, nothing wrong with that, but I don't find that works well with all genres
@MrMakatech
@MrMakatech 3 года назад
@@metal571 I have huge difficulties choosing between Spotify and Tidal Hifi myself. I'm a Swede and have been a loyal Spotify user many years but I find the music quality in Tidal Hifi being little bit better (very tiny/subtle differences though), the actual recording/mix is still the most important factor I guess. Also running Tidal Hifi in exclusive mode giving me extra headroom comparing to Spotify but it also make EQing more difficult. My 30 days trial using Tidal Hifi is over but I may return. ;-)
@metal571
@metal571 3 года назад
@@MrMakatech I've thought about but am just really invested in Spotify in terms of playlists and their selection is amazing, and sound quality is good enough given that, so
@Justathought81
@Justathought81 6 лет назад
I own a pair of the Sennheiser PC360 Game, really curious what a sensitive set of ears thinks of these.
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
+SuperNeutral those use the HD 558 drivers if I'm not mistaken so they should sound pretty good
@PedroOliveira1987
@PedroOliveira1987 7 лет назад
@metal571 do tou think it is stupid to keep both the 600 and 650?
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
Pretty much. I sold the 650 after this review and the 580 was a loaner from a coworker. They are all incredibly similar.
@PedroOliveira1987
@PedroOliveira1987 7 лет назад
metal571 i have the hd600 and i quite like them but after about 15 minutes i start to get some ringing effect on my ears and i just have to take them off for a while (never felt this, even with the dt770...). i always thought of getting the hd650 to avoid this and because since i listen to trance and metal i wouldnt mind a little (just slightly) more bass and powerfull sound but at the same time i am affraid i might loose some of of the agressiveness in the highs that makes electric guitars on stuff like artic monkeys or royal blood sound so good on the 600s..... by the way i am a momentum over ear and hd25 fan and i havê been using a fiio e12 to drive the 600s... :)
@chipsaunders154
@chipsaunders154 7 лет назад
Hi metal. I hate to admit I don't know a lot about headphones. I have a vintage Koss Pro 4aaa set and I just purchased some Sony 7506s but as "clean " sounding as they both appear, neither give me the soundstage or imaging I'd hope to hear especially when compared to good speakers. Am I expecting too much from them...or from any phone? And as much as I looked for it, I didn't hear you say much about the imaging and soundstage of the Senn 650 in this review, though your other review focusing only on the Senn 600 made it sound like you preferred the 600 over the 650. And how would you compare the Beyer DT770s to either of the Senns? Thanks for any help you can provide.
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
+Chip Saunders that's because those headphones you own actually don't have very good soundstage width. The 600 and 650 are very similar in soundstage, more 3 blob feeling in imaging and not a ton of width. But it's there. The DT880 have the most balanced soundstage combining good width with good imaging. The K702 which is the third major player here has awesome width but not very good imaging. The 770s have both good width and imaging like the 880 since it's basically the same driver. They're very v shaped though.
@chipsaunders154
@chipsaunders154 7 лет назад
Wow, that was a quick response, metal571. Thanks. But I'm still stumped as to which phone would suit me best. I have a vintage high wattage receiver and an equalizer. I would use the phones only for music.....from rock to country, blues and classical. So which of these phones would you choose for musical quality, soundstage, and imaging in their price range? Do you have an A,B, and C choice?
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
That's a tough question. The DT880 600 ohm is the most detailed, but it has a sibilant edge to it so may be a little sterile sounding with some brighter recordings. It has extremely good detail retrieval, even moreso than the HD 650 which is usually my recommendation for most genres and most people. The 650 does not quite possess the same speed but it does have an extremely flat sound with just a slight midrange bump and the sub bass is somewhat rolled off. It's so hard for me to recommend just one, especially if you have an equalizer to play with. If you have the cash I'd buy a K702, DT880 600 ohm premium, AND an HD 650, then return the two you don't like as much
@charlesjacques750
@charlesjacques750 7 лет назад
Ok so let's throw in the easier to drive Fidelio X2's, consider the Mass Drop HD 6XX ($199) would you still prefer the HD 600? Would EQ or a more powerful digital Shiit Jotunheim or Dark Voice tube amp matter to your pic?
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
+Charles Jacques still would take the 6XX
@charlesjacques750
@charlesjacques750 7 лет назад
metal571 Thanks! I just ordered the HD 6XX to add to the X2 and my vintage ('73) Koss Pro 4AA. Should I get a top digital amp before going to a tube? Any suggestions for a high end quality amp?
@chimpyman92
@chimpyman92 6 лет назад
Curious your EQ shows the like 5 Hz settings. But in the EQ video there are like 13 Hz settings. And i see you do fill out the others? I am confused is the EQ in every video description wrong??? Its lacking 8 Hz settings
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
+chimpyman92 I almost never use all the sliders if that is what you are asking. The ones left at 0 dB are simply not mentioned and have no effect on the final EQ.
@chimpyman92
@chimpyman92 6 лет назад
Ah okay, So i see in the video you have the top frenquencies in the app like 20, 30, 60, 100, just change the 30 to 40 and the 60 to 40?? then input the EQ you have stated?
@metal571
@metal571 6 лет назад
+chimpyman92 change whatever bands you want on the EQ, but make sure you set the Q value as well. As the frequency correctly. Some profiles listed have shelves instead of peak filters also. I already talked about the Q and frequency setting in my EqualizerAPO video. The different types of filters are gone over in some videos the guy who wrote peace GUI already has.
@y34r
@y34r 7 лет назад
I own HD600,650.700. for my taste,i still value 600 the most. 600s has the best mid of all three. the warmth, not as dark as 650, just right.
@parallelBug
@parallelBug 7 лет назад
In question of sound that means dark?
@Berettadv
@Berettadv 7 лет назад
I wondered that too for a while so here is my explanation. Dark means generally bassy. It can lead to the quality of the sound is not quite as clear (when distributing instruments or voices in your head) due to the "boominess" of the low end. However, it can also mean that things sound more natural in certain circumstances. Just remember that natural does not mean neutral.
@kentxx12
@kentxx12 4 года назад
I love your slapp at you mic whit your fingers,and my super deep sub get my whole apartment to rumbel like it is a earthquake,now is all my fine glass shattered and many of my fine art objects destroyed....But Wow that bass in that mic.....
@metal571
@metal571 4 года назад
I'm glad
@harvdaguy
@harvdaguy 7 лет назад
I think 650 has a tad wider soundstage, but very close to 600. 580 slightly smaller. And I think you should change your amps for those albeit Schitt basic not bad...
@theprinceofeverything1975
@theprinceofeverything1975 4 года назад
Are there any headphones around 400 dollars that you can reccomend that are non fatiguing, low distortion, and warm?
@metal571
@metal571 4 года назад
I find the newest Sundara isn't overly bright
@theprinceofeverything1975
@theprinceofeverything1975 4 года назад
@@metal571 thank you so much
@user-qp6fi6hq7o
@user-qp6fi6hq7o 5 лет назад
Hey im getting a pair of hd6xx apparently they are the same as hd650s but im not sure? Also im lost on what dac or amp i should get. Thanks
@metal571
@metal571 5 лет назад
They are the same. Modi 3 and Magni 3, Topping D30 and jds atom, there are a few combinations out there now that will do them justice
@emailkoonce
@emailkoonce 3 года назад
@@metal571 new to the headphone game and i am totally green. I was just gifted a pair of 650's and need an amp/dac would you still recommend this combo today or is there something better? Also how do you feel about portable amp/dacs the person that gifted me the 650's let me hear them through the now discontinued Oppos Ha-2 se and i thought they made the headphones sound amazing!
@metal571
@metal571 3 года назад
I use the JDS Atom amp and DAC stack now that I am retired from doing these videos. Don't have enough experience with portable amps
@emailkoonce
@emailkoonce 3 года назад
@@metal571 thanks dude!
@avedgy
@avedgy 7 лет назад
What mic are you using?
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
Rode NT1, 2014 edition
@carmeloestrada3043
@carmeloestrada3043 7 лет назад
Review soon or what? I have to use mine with a foam sock since the provided pop filter, although sexy, does not work well. Great value for a good mic, best bang for buck IMO.
@metal571
@metal571 7 лет назад
carmelo estrada not really a mic reviewer so not sure about all the criteria. All I know is I wanted something accurate with as little self noise as possible without breaking the bank and someone recommended me this mic. Checked it out and sure enough it is fantastic for the price. Getting 5 dB of self noise at 300 bucks is a shockingly good value. Didn't have to pony up the big bucks for a C414.
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