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Welcome to Sensible Secondhand Classics, the series where we take a sensible classic car worth between £1000 and £5000 and put it through its paces in a very straightforward manner! This time we test a 1989 Alfa Romeo 164 3.0 V6, which may be one of the most attractive cars we have ever had on the channel. Join us as we experience torque steer, get the button wrong for the glovebox, find out what incorrectly set up coilovers feel like, talk about gravel rash, get enthused about brochures and generally experience little of any consequence at all. Nothing untoward then!
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As an independent vehicle consultant, I take potential buyers through the whole car buying process from choosing a make and model to a vehicle handover and road tax. In addition to information on this service, I also have a selection of written and video reviews of cars that I have owned, hired, borrowed or have somehow come into my possession. Please use the Contact Me page on my website to get in touch, visit my Facebook page for latest updates and share this video if you like it! Thank you for watching.
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@mofo1739 Год назад

Lovely example of the 164 , I used to own a 1989 164 3.0 V6 . Would love one again .

@lloydvehicleconsulting Год назад

Yes, I absolutely loved this car! Such a privilege to drive it. Thank you ever so much indeed for watching and commenting!

@richardhowlett7398 2 года назад

The 164 was a dream car of mine 33 years ago ! The nearest I got was a Peugeot 405 !

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

I thought somebody would appreciate this review, sir! Glad you did.

@aslandama 2 года назад

I love everything about these 164s, the interior styling alone is so distinctive and the exterior is just a work of art. I have a 166 but really want a 164.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

They are exceptionally rare, Greg did well to find this one. I love 166s as well, I don't know which I prefer now!

@paulie-Gualtieri. 2 года назад

Stunning car absolutely love the black with the contrasting grey trim, the alloy wheels are a very handsome design too.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

We did enjoy this very much indeed!

@paulie-Gualtieri. 2 года назад

@@lloydvehicleconsulting Yes MR Lloyd great review of a lovely car, I do prefer those alloy wheels to the Cloverleaf Split rims, Much more classy & upmarket. I'm very gutted I sold the one I had now, but such is life.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

@@paulie-Gualtieri. , glad you enjoyed it, sir! It was very classy and upmarket.

@greg56599 2 года назад

Thanks for the review of my car Joseph and thanks for all the nice comments! I've now fixed the two issues, adjusting the front coilover dampers has sorted the bouncing, and a new set of HT leads has fixed the intermittent misfire.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

As suspected, sir, your car has been well received by an enthusiastic populace! Great to hear that those two issues are now fixed and now you can enjoy it even more fully...

@olumideiluyomade7613 Год назад

Alfa Romeo 164 3.0 V6 Lusso - that is the full name. I am proud to say I owned, used and loved this car. Mine was same color - a fully loaded 1991 American spec with brown leather interior. I dotted over it until I had to move on. I miss it now!

@lloydvehicleconsulting Год назад

It's not actually a Lusso. I actually got the brochure out during the video and showed which one it was. This is just a 3.0 V6. There was a Lusso model available, which had a lot more equipment than this.

@olumideiluyomade7613 Год назад

@@lloydvehicleconsulting , you are right.This particular one is not a Lusso. The one I had was a Lusso. By the way, "Lusso" meant "Luxury"

@lloydvehicleconsulting Год назад

@@olumideiluyomade7613 , it certainly does.

@chrislockey7706 2 года назад

The beautiful Alfa Romeo 164 3.0 V6 A real treat Joseph to get to drive it, you're a lucky man I did get chance to drive one many years ago but never actually got to own one. Great cars.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

Oh sir, I absolutely loved it! I can't believe I got the chance to have a go, and very locally as well. I was really blessed on that day. Glad you enjoyed the video, sir.

@garygriffiths2911 2 года назад

A rare, handsome and highly desirable car which (a few niggles aside) is also in great condition by the look of it. Black paint may not suit the design terribly well, but I can't be the only person watching this who'd still be delighted to own it. I drove a Saab 9000 many years ago and liked it very much - but the Saab never had a 3.0 V6!

@paulie-Gualtieri. 2 года назад

Yes they did the 3.0 V6 Griffin

@garygriffiths2911 2 года назад

@@paulie-Gualtieri. I can assure you the example I drove had a four pot - and not even a turbo in sight.

@paulie-Gualtieri. 2 года назад

@@garygriffiths2911 Yes the one you drove, but the Saab 9000 did have a 3.0 V6 engines option..

@garygriffiths2911 2 года назад

@@paulie-Gualtieri. I wasn't attempting to analyse the entire range but rather reminse about the one example I had some personal experience of!

@paulie-Gualtieri. 2 года назад

@@garygriffiths2911 Great cars the 9000s whatever engine was in it, great interiors, some of the best leather seats I've experienced.

@davidverney253 2 года назад

Many thanks Joseph for another entertaining video. It made me think about the demise of the car brochure, having been an avid collector as a child in the 60's and 70's, and then as a car buying adult. I remember being taken to the 1967 Motor Show as a 9 year old and coming home with several large plastic bags of brochures to pour over for months and months afterwards....the interweb isn't the same!

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

No problem at all, David! Glad you enjoyed this one. I remember the glossy brochures from when I was younger, something which is most certainly dying out in car showrooms these days. The Internet is indeed not the same at all.

@Salman-sc8gr 11 месяцев назад

Oh dear! It was such a treasure, I still have most of my collection.

@scottishcarenthusiastsandtrain 2 года назад

Lovely looking executive Car, the sound of the V6 is beautiful indeed.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it, sir! We do like some nice Busso noises.

@martinclapton2724 2 года назад

In some ways the original 164 was the nicest. The early cars had the Twin Spark inherited from the 75 (1962cc/ 148bhp- incidentally also designed by Busso) ) but switched transversely for the FWD and the single cam per bank V6 rated at 188bhp. The later cars had switchable suspension , but an opinion shared by other Alfa enthusiasts, the “ soft “ setting was a little too soft , whereas the “hard “ setting a little to hard. The original car was somewhere in between the two settings but better for it with a better handling /ride compromise. The 1st Cloverleaf V6 was updated to 210 bhp still with a single cam per bank with add on modifications to bodywork then the series 2 models had a 4 cam 24 valve V6 rated at 210 bhp for the standard model or 230 bhp for the Cloverleaf. Nice example on here.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

Thank you for watching and commenting, was a joy to drive this, even if was the least powerful V6 which the 164 had, the torque steer was still ridiculous. I have confirmed with the owner that the suspension was not in the correct setting, and he is going to have the coilovers adjusted so it does not feel so bouncy. Incredible to drive, and lovely sound, the originality of this car was exceptional.

@markonmotoring 2 года назад

There is no sound better than a Busso sound. Even in 12V form it still looks as wonderful as it sounds. Nice to see some cassette tapes for the unlikely occasion where you don't want to hear the engine. The 164 is a very elegant car with its two tone design and stylish interior. It must have really looked like something special.back in 1989. Perhaps this car having less gadgets than higher spec cars has worked in its favour after more than three decades. I wouldn't like to be searching for some of the more unique parts for one of those such as the climate control unit.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

Yes sir, we like those tapes, but the 164 did bring its own music as well. The sound of the Busso is extremely wonderful... This would indeed have looked very elegant indeed 33 years ago when it was new. The interior trim parts are probably quite rare now, not sure if the cars with climate control are more common or not....

@simonh870 Год назад

I had one of these back in 1998, almost the same as that one. It was the base V6 in Afa red on a H plate. It came with the fog lamps fitted. I still think the earlier 12 valve engine sounds better than the later 24v unit. It is also arguably more reliable and better on fuel.

@lloydvehicleconsulting Год назад

The 24 Valve Busso engines can be quite complicated to work on, from what I understand. This one was absolutely glorious, although the steering isn't the best I have ever used. Thank you ever so much indeed for watching!

@chrisweddle2577 2 года назад

A friend had an automatic one of those in red. He let me drive it a lot. Lots of fun!

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

We do like a nice luxurious Alfa Romeo saloon, sir.

@chrisweddle2577 2 года назад

@@lloydvehicleconsulting We certainly do Sir! I particularly miss my Azzurro Nuvola 156 2.0 T Spark with the blue Momo leather interior. Those were the days. One of a long list of "Cars I should never have sold".

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

@@chrisweddle2577 , oh sir, I would like to try a nice Alfa 156, although I have yet to be offered one of those. That Momo interior does sound rather lovely.

@stevealexR1 Год назад

I had a H-reg. 164 3.0V6 Auto in 1992 that replaced my previous 1984 GTV6 2.5 (that I should never have sold as it was in great condition!) which was super reliable although didexhibit bad torque steer! The Busso engine sounded almost as good in the 164 as it did in the GTV6!

@lloydvehicleconsulting Год назад

Yes, the torque steer was horrendous, but I still really liked it, the sound really helps! Never had the chance to drive a GTV6 yet. Thank you very much indeed for watching and commenting!

@martinowl 2 года назад

Lovely looking car 👍

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

It was an absolute privilege to film this!

@frothe42 2 года назад

An exceptional example of a very rare 164. Just looked up the history for the US version, these are extremely rare. Occasionally one will pop up for sale. This is very low mileage for a 30+ year vehicle which is in exceptional condition. Thank you for the review!

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

We aim to please, sir! Yes, it was absolutely fantastic, and they are very rare. You just don't see these at all, unless you are very lucky.

@alaricbragg7843 2 года назад

The 2 Litre Turbo model would have been Italian only, to get around Italy's notorious tax on large capacity cars.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

That is absolutely the case, sir! We didn't really need that sort of engine in this country at the time, as we could get the 3.0 V6.

@alaricbragg7843 2 года назад

@@lloydvehicleconsulting Ferrari also made a 2 Litre V8 car around the same time, just for Italy, also to dodge the tax.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

@@alaricbragg7843 , indeed, sir!

@seancooke7332 2 года назад

This excellent and gorgeous executive I will savour tomorrow.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

Enjoy it, sir, complete with Busso noises for you.

@aHumanCookiee Год назад

The perfect car for a review! And actually yes you can expect 30-40mpg out of the 12 Valve V6 if you are light on the gas, this engine is very efficient for its size!

@lloydvehicleconsulting Год назад

It was fantastic, crazy torque steer aside (about which I had been warned)! Thank you ever so much indeed for watching and commenting.

@aHumanCookiee Год назад

@@lloydvehicleconsulting no problem, I actually have a Lusso variant myself using the 12 Valve, probably one of the best vehicles Alfa ever made! Keep it up 👍

@lloydvehicleconsulting Год назад

@@aHumanCookiee , I really want to try an automatic facelifted 164, actually, although these cars are so rare that I don't know if I will be able to do so any time soon....

@aHumanCookiee Год назад

@@lloydvehicleconsulting the autobox is supposed to be quite good, but it's got to be a manual in an Alfa 😁. You might get lucky though, I see many more facelifts for sale than pre facelifts these days! From what I understand, the facelift model is a little more Germanic and more refined, again, the raw unfiltered driving experience is more what classic Alfa Romeo is all about and having owned a 12 Valve 164 and the "ultimate" version of the 24 valve in a 147 GTA I must say the earlier engine is the sweeter unit! With regards to torque steer these early ones are famous for it! But the fact that it's probably still on its original control arm bushings will not help as they are over 30 years old at this point. I had similar before I started restoring mine, I could accelerate to overtake and I wouldn't actually have to steer onto the other side of the road, it would just pull me over there 🤣.

@lloydvehicleconsulting Год назад

@@aHumanCookiee , yes, I have actually driven a lot of other Alfa Romeos (the links are in the video description), and I really liked this one.

@janstaes2172 11 месяцев назад

nice video still like the car ! The v6 turbo was also availeble in the eu. not just limited to the italian market.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 11 месяцев назад

We have another 164 coming up on the channel quite soon as well, as a matter of fact...

@alaricbragg7843 2 года назад

Great video! Thanks. Back in 1989 the 164 charted respectfully in the New Zealand Car Magazine Car of the Year Award. Incidentally the top 3 for the award was the winner, Peugeot 405, followed by the VN Commodore and the MX-5!

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

Was the VN Commodore really good, sir? I can't say that I know much about them, personally. I like the MX-5 and the 405, but this was very much up my street.

@alaricbragg7843 2 года назад

@@lloydvehicleconsulting Well Sir, that depends on the person you are, and the type of VN Commodore that you are referring too. To me, they mostly lack the charm of the Omega/Carlton's in my Collection, even the V8s. You must watch Cracker at some point, they used Senator Police Cars in the tragic scene of 'To Be a Somebody!'

@alaricbragg7843 2 года назад

@@lloydvehicleconsulting Cracker also featured a Sierra like the one you reviewed recently, maybe around Christmas (?). In one serial the antagonist played by Jim Carter drives a 1994 Camry, while Robbie Coltrane's character spears his wife's Saab's rear window with a real estate sign during an unpleasant divorce. By the way, that 1989 New Zealand Canar of the Year Award also saw the Alfa up against other interesting contenders, including Fiat Tipo, Nissan Bluebird (Totally different shape and specifications to the Sunderland one you had then, often New Zealand or Australian assembled!), Toyota Supra, the Skoda Favroit (Sic.) Renault 19, and and believe it or not the Renault 21 Turbo!

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

@@alaricbragg7843 , don't know, sir, I don't really know anything about the VN Commdores myself.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

@@alaricbragg7843 , all the stuff you mentioned for the New Zealand Car of the Year award in 1989 is incredibly rare now. I think the Pintara name was also used for that Bluebird, but I could be wrong.

@Punt666 11 месяцев назад

No fog lights on the front but a switch in the interior 😅 But what a great car! I’ve drove a 2.5 TD and was one of the best cars I’ve owned!

@lloydvehicleconsulting 11 месяцев назад

Well, I am afraid to say that we don't talk about diesels on this channel. I am going to be driving another one of these with a petrol engine soon, however....

@greg56599 10 месяцев назад

The switch is actually a blanking plate but still has the foglight symbol above it!

@seancooke7332 2 года назад

A lovely design, the best looking of the Type 4 group. A far more interesting alternative to a BMW 530i and definitely a car to drive rather than be driven in. One to take out for enjoyment as much as transport from A to B. Good boot, great seats, space and a Busso, the package is fabulous. Ford released a 3.5 V6 twin turbo engine in their American Trucks as an alternative to traditional V8s . It is Indeed very powerful and fast but, unfortunately, beside a Coyote V8 it sounds terrible. This Alfa Romeo Busso V6, on the other hand, sounds better than many V8s. Alfa at its beautiful best and a Classic that is at least still priced sensibly. Thank you Sir.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

Good to see that you enjoyed this video, sir! The 5-Series was indeed a close rival of this one, it is indeed most enjoyable. The Busso is a very, very nice sounding engine, and you can get the facelifted cars for reasonably sensible money, you are absolutely correct.

@trabali5168 2 года назад

Great alternative to the best selling exec's of that time (5, e class, carlton, 800, granada, 9000 etc). The XM was also released at F reg.....................................question is which would you have chosen from the two?!

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

Not sure, sir, I haven't driven an XM, so I can't really comment, but I suspect an automatic one of these with a beige leather interior would probably suit me down to the ground.

@alaricbragg7843 2 года назад

I believe that the Fiat Takeover happened in late 1986 or early 1987, hence the Alfa Romeo withdrawal from F1 racing at the time, to avoid conflicts of interest with Ferrari. Funnily enough Alfa then went Indycar racing using an engine that was based on that of an aborted Ferrari Indycar prototype.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

Yes, the collaboration on the Type Four platform was agreed in 1982, although the Fiat takeover was not until 1986, when the Alfa Romeo Arna died.

@RobertWilliams-ur5gi 10 месяцев назад

I have a black 164 3.0 24v 1997. I have also had 3 previous 164's. They generally reliable, but parts are now getting difficult to find.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 10 месяцев назад

Yes, I believe someone I know is trying to find a new steering rack for his at the moment.... Thank you ever so much indeed for watching and commenting, I loved this 164, torque steer and all, and I suspect you must do too!

@RobertWilliams-ur5gi 10 месяцев назад

@@lloydvehicleconsulting On the 93-97 models they sorted out the torque steer. I like the 164. It stands out in a sea of car dross.

@lloydvehicleconsulting 10 месяцев назад

I think I have a facelifted one on the cars for review at some point soon. Let us see if they have sorted that torque steer...

@alaricbragg7843 2 года назад

Fun fact. After Alfa Romeo's withdrawal from Formula 1 racing, the small Osella team continued to use older Alfa Romeo engines - after the Fiat Group had effectively given them a cease and desist court order banning them using the Alfa Romeo name on the engines because they were so unreliable!

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

Oh sir, not the most reliable engines back in the day, were they?

@alaricbragg7843 2 года назад

@@lloydvehicleconsulting Well, we are of course referring to the 1.5 Turbo V8 engine...if it didn't break down, it ran out of gas. Alfa did make a Turbo 4 for the Ligier team in 1987 but that was never raced due to the Fiat Ferrari political conflict of interest and a spat with Ligier. Curiously that 4 was originally used in a crazy mid engined space frame super saloon racer that had a 164 body...

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

@@alaricbragg7843 , you know a lot more about this sort of stuff than I do, sir!

@alaricbragg7843 2 года назад

@@lloydvehicleconsulting Thanks. I am a 'Motorsport Nerd.'

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

@@alaricbragg7843 , I see, sir....

@nickyboy. 2 года назад

5th

@lloydvehicleconsulting 2 года назад

You did better the next time, sir!

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